Revisiting The Last Jedi (and why it's alright) 

Yeetus Deletus I know, it hurts. It fucking hurts. I wish RJ just directed the whole thing because he clearly had better ideas than JJ, whose ideas were “copy” and “fanfic blende”

This

EmblemBlade9 very telling how the views on those two have shifted since ROS came out

Yes

TFA played it too safe, then in reaction TLJ played it too differently, then once again in reaction TROS played it too safe AND tried to give, like, every corner of the fandom something they wanted, like Rose-haters get her out, Reylo shippers get the kiss, Finn fans get fucking nothing, which is all levels of terrible decision making... I don't know if it's just me but I FEEL the tug of war between the creative visions while watching the triology, and it's honestly so disappointing.

Ironically, there is only a finite amount of things one can say, about Infinity War, where as the Last Jedi will never have a *last* thing said about it.

No, you can pretty much say that about any movie.

He subverted our expectations ;)

Reality is often disappointing.

That was his mistake

Then a laugh track plays along with the seinfeld theme. Credits roll.

@@cabig9838 made the start of Return of the Jedi real confusing

Or when Leía Says “Help Me Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re my A NEW HOPE”

"Begun, the ATTACK OF THE CLONES has."

Qui Gon and Obi Wan confronts darth maul on Naboo. Obi wan says “Master, who is that?” Then qui gon says “My young padawan, you don’t recognize him, he’s THE PHANTOM MENACE.”

Bravo Vince

It *was* incredible.

DK! Chonky's dead!

This is the most underrated comment ever

Don’t forget about Macklunkey man still dead

True.

this comment right here!

Brendan Fitzpatrick but if they did that everyone would say it was just because people didn’t like rose

Viper 6172 if he made the "sacrifice" it would have been pointless because he was about to run into a GIANT METAL LASER CANNON so he would have died having done almost nothing to help

Brendan Fitzpatrick that would have been so much better than the waste of a character she is currently

Brendan Fitzpatrick imagine if rose was the spy and she learns that the resistance isn’t a complete evil force and at very last moment she saves finn from plasma and have her have a more serious attitude

Viper 6172 I hated that, but everything in the movie pissed me off. They put NO effort into the movie.

Somehow the bloodline trope returned.

It’s honestly my favorite plot point in the film is the Rey Nobody

Yeah, I loved that in TLJ and hated when it came back in such a half-assed way.

Fans who would get upset about Rey being a nobody yet has such strong force powers, seem to forget that Anakin was a literal slave's child on a backwater(less) desert planet. He was born less than a nobody yet he was still the Chosen One. Dynasties have to start somewhere and usually its not in places you'd expect them to pop up.

@@TheFart100 Only problem is we don’t know about his father. So not quite the same argument.

The storm trooper defection plotline was so horribly wasted

Finn should have been the unlikely hero who stops a galactic war, and not just by blowing up the other side

@@DamnFineCupOfCoffee Absolutely

@@sylph8005 it really was. They could have used it to have Finn be this anti war pacifist, who only fights stormtroopers when he has to, since despite everything, he still considers them brothers. But nope, he just became a bigger and bigger simp for Rey

What we could’ve gotten: i must save my brothers from this ruthless war machine that has caused millions of deaths and will continue to do so until it’s stopped What we got: “ReEeEyY!”

It could have also been something like Anakin, born from the force. But yeah, I wish she was a nobody.

@@flamingoenthusiast2054 She was conceived like Anakin. Palpatine did some Sith mumbo jumbo to make Shmee pregnant with Anakin lol

@@SemiOmni314 that would still be better than what we had

Lol, yet another example of The Rise of Skywalker fucking up all 3 trilogies in one fell swoop.

Agreed

As long as they train

Wamp Ratatouille

Ah yes, I totally remember him saying that!

"a great Jedi becomes a great Jedi because they feel like it one day with no struggle required" -Rey

Agreed! Just like obiwan, or mace windu, or Kit fisto. All random people without families from random planets. Rian must have missed that in the prequels.

Me: Yup.

Kinda

Still, Rogue one felt really weak, I remember watching it in theatres expecting some sort of clever profound mind - blowing explanation as to why the film was named Rogue 1, and it just turns out it was a signal they used to fool the rebel base, it just feels so unessecary and boring a reason, unlike the Last jedi

@@fibby7069 I love the film, but I do agree, the name didn't really feel important when it's dropped in the film.

@@fibby7069 are gonna compare a good movie to a failure to understand the basic concept of what a Star Wars movie is about?

And then he hands her Han's ex's dice. What a troll move Luke. Best part was, he wasn't actually handing her anything! *Force Projection...*

An image of pair of dice associated with a relationship of Hans with another woman No wonder Leia threw them away

Noa Balboa okay you're right

Wow that actually sounds really good

Finn's story arc in tlj should have been about his father.

Apply for a job at disney pls

We never needed another kid from a desert planet to become a Jedi, would’ve been cool to have a force sensitive, stormtrooper defect be the main character

Yeah seriously why did they take that scene out?? Also pretty sure her screen time across both movies is like 5 minutes so there's also that crap

The bulk of her character development comes from a novel where she's the villain protagonist. My question is "why her" though ?

Is sad how disney has wasted the character material of captain phasma and completely threw the potential under the bus

She's such a great character outside of the movie, really got the shortest stick on this one

@@pizzatime7433 honestly yeah, but i guess we needed that terrible casino scene drag the entire movie through the dirt instead of one scene that gave a villain of this series actual character.

I prefer MauLers 'Force Skype' personally

@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Nah, there's no iconic sound effect to it, its too subtle sound wise like a voice chat. Besides, MauLer is cringe now, he has fallen into the crowd of creators obsessed with media being too "woke"

Also Rey would’ve been killed if she didn’t fight

What about Resistance?

I’d say the Empire was more dignified in Rebels. Remember how towards the end of season 1 Tarkin executed the comic relief imperials and made a warning to remaining ones?

@@deathsdoor07 Isn't that the first order in there?

@@CheeseOfMasters You're right. I never watched the show.

Kyle Campbell have you even watched rebels? The empire are usually fools. Almost never gain a victory, generally incompetent, always ramble on about fear and how it will control people while merely killing their own commanders and lieutenants, and the inquisitors are weak as hell. The only threat on the show was Vader and at times thrawn, even though he constantly got screwed over by plot armor. Overall the show didn’t make the empire look very intimidating most of the time, even under Vader’s and thrawn rule.

Except politics have absolutely nothing to do with the Star Wars sequel trilogy

@@Sorcerer-SMC you sir have a massive brain

@@Sorcerer-SMC It has no politics because the first order blew up the government in the force awakens

insert memorable username here No, Darth Vader threw politics into the reactor. Then it came back up like a clogged toilet.

@@somethingcool1533 He wasnt politics, he was the senate

My mind is blown trying to make sense of that logic.

Righ?! It's magic to have two actors display that much organic chemistry with one another. Johnson could have explored the dynamics of their friendship, teamwork- they could have offered a bit of buddy comedy road trip energy transporting together through space, helping different facets of the Resistance along the way.. That way, when one of them actually do get killed off (I'd probably save til the last movie) the audience would have such an emotional connection to the characters by that point.

Their subplots should have focused on what the first order is and why we’re here and Leia should have been ever present The world building is not only terrible, it’s non existent. Cantobite feels like a whole separate universe: how long have these war profiteers been thriving and how is their currency valid?! Has the first order always had control of this and other neighboring planets? Did the republic allow slavery to happen?

​@@shannonceleste5557This is why I say that we need a show focused on the sequels like they did with the Clone Wars. It could help flesh out the characters more.

It's the perfect way to humiliate Kylo Ren and show him directly how blind and reckless he is, that he was so caught up in proving he was correct that he didn't realize Luke wasn't even physically there. It's so good.

Not only that but allowing Ben to kill him like he did his father would only hurt Ben even more but luke prevents this

Except he not only dies anyway but he doesn’t pick up his balls and fucking face up to his own wrong doing Luke should have attempted to apologize to Ben and attempt to explain himself The fact that he says “No” when asked if he came to save Bens souls was just the worst This is a regression for the character at best

@KRobinson-ko1ne he says no when kylo mockingly asks if he's there to save his soul bc Luke knows he cannot be the one to redeem Kylo just like how Obi-Wan could never be the one to make Vader change. Also he was there to save the Resistance and make Kylo feel as unbalanced as possible so he'd make rash decisions so mocking Kylo certainly worked.

Okay… So Luke can redeem Darth Vader of all people but not a student that he actually considered killing momentarily? No offense but this argument of yours doesn’t hold water. If Luke led Ben to believe he was plotting to kill him while he was already immersed in the force iteself then Luke is without debate at fault for corrupting him. Luke is more than responsible for Ben and saying “no” like so just shows regression at best. I’d honestly argue that this is misrepresentation and given the themes that Rian seems to be gunning for I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point in filming he intended to misrepresent him I mean it’s kind of obvious that Rian tried many different ideas on set only to run out of time and money and being forced to use what footage he has

Joshua B Doofenshmirtz is a lot more intimidating than hux.

Yes,he is!

Somehow Doofenshmirtz is a better villain than nearly every single one in TLJ combined.

He would not be sweating because of his desweatinator.

To be fair, it’s a cartoon about kids that build a roller coaster in 2 hours, then again, to be fair, it’s a movie about space magic

Flash forward to the new Holiday Special and yeahhhh....

What new Holiday Special? The Guardians one? Because shirtless Chris Pratt happened in the first movie.

@@Gemnist98 No, the new Holiday Special on Disney+

Bandicoot sauce?

sexualization of the characters is not a new thing in star wars. do you remember leia as a slave in return of the jedi? or the main protagonists of any mcu movie taking their shirt off for no reason? thats the industry buddy :( but I gotta say: of all the ones that I mentioned before, the kylo one is the better cause it gives the character more humanity! there is a purpose for him to be without clothes, don't you guys think so?

I think Star Wars is the kind of franchise that's very "in the moment" but doesn't last quite as well in years following. I also revisited this a few years later and just thought it was decent, but I can't deny the initial hype ride I was on in the first couple of watches

@@WiloPolis03 same, totally agree, particularly for all the non-original-trilogy movies.

If JJ directed it, he would've turned the whole series into a butt ton of setups but with almost none to no resolution. That's why I think Rian should do it: his work on Knives Out was great, so three Star Wars movies may not be a problem Edit: Speaking of which, recent news said that Rian was in fact going to have a trilogy to himself but it got cancelled :(

I had the opposite character arc, I thought the movie was shit. But I think I've learnt to see the bad AND GOOD of the film, like the whole Canto Bight thing was BS but the final scene with Luke trolling the fuck out of Kylo is genius or that the Luke being a prick kinda sucks, but the cinematography slaps so hard. In reality it isn't a really good or a really bad movie, I think the highs are really high and the lows are abysmally low.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I honestly don’t see TLJ as retconning TFA. It takes the start, which is a pretty standard adventure clone of ANH, and builds it into something new and nonstandard. It’s ROS that goes full retcon on everything, because the so many people complained that TLJ wasn’t standard.

​@@Onychoprion27personally, I agree with you. I am a big Star Wars fan and I like literally everything that I saw/read/played as of this moment, EXCEPT episode 9. That was incredibly lazely written. The cancelled version, Duel of the Fates, with some changes and revisions would be a much better final film in the Skywalker saga than TROS.

Cade Smith Same 😂

this is the only comment that matters

Cade Smith Kilo..gram?Meter? Kilohertz?

Noor Azraq Kylovins!

AEANEM you mean ben swolo

TheCanoxd oof a little harsh but I’m excited too.

YES PLEASE

No! Make that Shrek the Musical video!

TheCanoxd watch Big Joel’s Over the Hedge video to bide the time

TheCanoxd Star platinum

It's like poetry

@@KaminoKatieit rhymes

What are you talking about? Ray never through her parents were some super important people in the galaxy, that was all a fan discussion. Bringing that meta plot point in the movie was nonsensical and just shows how much of a hack Ruin is

@@pedepsitorul because rey wanted to believe her parents were good people, ones like luke or a Jedi. But the weren't and this hurt her

​@madtitanthanos7898 she didn't want her parents to be ANYTHING, she just wanted them to be there. The plot point about rey and her parents is concluded in TFA. Rey no longer cares about her parents and instead is finding belonging with new people, like finn, han, leia, and luke. Then ryan resurrected the plot line so he could subvert expectstions despite that not being in line with rey's characterm

Perfectly said

You’re right.

It can't have been more disorganized or nonsensical than the first Suicide Squad movie. Which I did see in the theater, and walked out with my family basically all thinking "What in the world did we just watch?"

First off sorry Jake Lloyd. Second, yes he was terrible made worse by equally terrible dialogue, but do personal attacks against him accomplish anything? These movies are for kids! Fat, neckbearded nerds love them. But in all honesty they are just commercials for the toys/video games/comics/Disneyland rides. If you aren't the target audience then take a step back and analyze what you're criticizing.

can u feel bad for both of them

@@Jackson-jd1um Of course! And I do

Vicious Savage you know, you got a point.

Vicious Savage That’s awful.. I’ve not seen those movies but I hate that. No actor deserves that.

Thank you

Agreed.

One got bullied off social media, the other one suffers from mental illness to this day because of it. Jake had it worse

@@budgetlifter they were still both crapped on. Jake did have it worse. He was a child so that makes what happened to him 100 times worse.

Is there any other fandom where people honest to God argue about who the fans treated worse?

Damn that does sound cool.

it's definetly a cool idea. phasma's character really deserved so much more, she should have been finn's foil for the entire trilogy instead of a throwaway character for making toys

That would be cool but it would be way better as what I choose to believe, phasma is the little girl from caravan of courage and battle of endor. ( the bad vhs Star Wars films)

@@senjubunny Why do people feel suits of armour deserve banging stories? Phasma is boring. Every trilogy has a boring suit of armour. Grievous, lord and protector of all that is good and holy, deliver me from anymore Star Wars suit of armour characters

@@moscanaveia you did say that Grievous is a bad or boring character

Adrian Dezendegui technically it wasn’t. Her parents were nobodies. Her grandfather was emperor of the first galactic empire

because in episode 7 JJ set up a big deal about her being connected to someone then Rian through that out (which honestly I prefer) and then because JJ set up one of his mystery boxes a lot of people were disappointed it was dropped and so they changed it and made things so much worse. it makes me really wonder why the hell this trilogy wasn't planned and why they would allow Rian to throw everything out the window TLJ on its own has some really interesting idea but as a sequel to a movie that set up big deals for all those things it's really weird and dumb

Yeah when everyone was theorizing after Episode 7 I was very vocal about how much I didn't care. I didn't want her parentage to matter, and I LOVED when Last Jedi told us it didn't. Unfortunately fans are whiny and JJ and Disney are too concerned with crowd-pleasing to keep any interesting artistic choice from Last Jedi sooooo here we are.

@@chuckbatman5 yup same the problem I ever had with it is the fact it's so inconsistent with the direction if not for that I would love that idea 100%

Considering it was the star wars saga, it would not be weird if she was a skywalker (a real skywalker)

Damn that's interesting

Qui-Gon's death sealed Anakin's fall to the dark side. The Jedi just didn't know it yet.

So just like most of the of the prequel trilogy, it’s a brilliantly interesting story that’s presented in a bafflingly uninteresting way.

@@nyyae yeah, but at least the fight scenes were dope to my child brain when I watched them at the time, and Revenge of the Sith is still a pretty good movie, of course the best, of the trilogy, but Darth Maul and his ship still get the #1 new bad guy characters of the Prequels right beside Count Dooku and Jango Fett.

Oh I understand now

But then again... I didn't really care about any characters involved. If it wasn't for clone wars I would probably think that fight was useless.

@@theseel2718 I cared about Qui Gon, more than the sequel characters (exept finn) lol

@@loganwendigo937 Not me lol. He didn't have much of a personality or any defining traits. We also don't know anything about his backstory. I'm of the opinion that Liam Neeson is a petty good actor, but he just didn't really fit the character.

@@theseel2718 To me he was a younger Ben Kenobi that played off most of TPM cast pretty well.

@@theseel2718 While not much of Qui-Gon's character was established in The Phantom Menace, I really like his characterization in the book Master and Apprentice. He was very perceptive of both himself and the Jedi order, I think had he survived he would have been the greatest threat to Lord Sidious's plan.

Yes I'm aware I spelt "Parody" wrong but editing would get rid of the heart

I'm pretty sure it was intentional. There is also the scene with the clothes iron that looks like a spaceship. This is a reference to one of the earliest Star Wars parodies, the 1978 short film Hardware Wars. Rian is a true nerd. I know it's not for everyone but omg I love this movie and I'll defend it til' I die.

lordlook same

Taking a joke and making it a plot point isn't really a good idea.

Kye Dysarthria yeah it makes your characters appear to be idiots. I’m not the biggest fan of the guy but Mr Plinket makes a good point comparing Finn and Rose’s journey to the Grizzwalds

...pretty much, lol.

Ok that's funny

“.......yeah, I am”

ngl that's hilarious

I call bs on the idea of someone's dad knowing what a ytp is

_Only a Sith deals in absolutes_

I am sane and I think TLJ is a bad movie. I dunno how much about the fandom and the "fandom", but I think TLJ is a mess, yes, but not so beautiful.

@@luchomscyfy No see you don't get it, you're only sane if you agree with him.

@@xepharnazos ha, good one.

Um, that doesn't compute, wait Ur under arrest

my first thought as well. Also don't forget Jake Lloyd

Yeah like, didn't he almost kill himself bc of it?

So would kid Anakin’s actor

@@emerym1549 yea Ahmed Best said he was almost driven to suicide because of his role

Star Wars actors really don't get a break, huh. If you ain't the Classic Cast, you're pretty much fucked over.

“Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re my A New Hope”

@@Coolgamer54321 “what’s your call sign?” “Uh.. we’re.. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story”

"Han... Solo... A Star Wars Story..."

"A surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one".

hpena FMC What I was expecting was “HOW DARE YOU IT RAPED MY CHILDHOOD REVENGE OF THE SITH IS A MASTERPIECGEGJRDBJJURDNJFDVB” Or “HOW DARE YOU THE LAST JEDI WORKS IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE AND YOU DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A SIMPLE MINDED IDIOT WHO DOESNT KNOW HIW TO ANALYZE FILM AND ONLY LIKES MARVELEDNTWXBNEED”

@@Dingo-wk5ed Are you saying Revenge of the Sith isn't a masterpiece?

Morales yes, it’s ok for a prequel

Patrick Heneghan I think last Jedi has great ideas poor execution, but people seem to hate the ideas. But this is all I want, I want people to not hate each other for their preferences.

Ahh you wrote this a day ago ???

@@louaidz1929 it says the same to me tf

A day ago wtf

Just to remind people the Mary Sue archetype is conservative by placing a specific woman better than other women as a token, basic "Not Like Other Girls" misogyny. So Episode 9, not so progressive.

Let me guess was private yesterday and you was able to write a commente befor anyone do it right

Spyro!

The prequels relate to this a lot

A Guy With A Lot Of Opinions I will be that guy who mentions the scene where he enters the Falcon

​@Failingpepper 11 Hes an old man, he doesnt have to cry to show that hes sad

Charles Xavier from Logan and Aldred Penyworth from The Dark Knight Rises has entered the chat

He sneaks into the Falcon to be alone, even looking down at the Golden dice with what I thought to be regret, another addition to his failure because he made the man that killed Han. It’s not as long as it could’ve been, I suppose, but it’s there and I was happy enough with it, especially when he brings the dice to Leia later.

My problem with Rose mourning her sister, is, it doesn't matter in context of the movie. It doesn't help Rose as character. She doesn't show beyond sadness, any other emotion. Like five stages of grief, but it's only sadness, and then melancolia. Rose doesn't show anger, or denial or acceptance for her sister.

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But when I massacre 90% of a population I get fired

He's, no joke, one of my favorite Star Wars movie villains if you don't count the endless sea of additional content. 1. Vader (obviously) 2. Krennic 3. This droid that appeared less than ten minutes In the movies Maul is boring, Dooku is wasted, Grievous is nothing but spectacle, and good ol palps was ruined by the goofy action scenes in the prequels as well as his return in TROS. Oh and there's the disposable Solo villain who's name I can't remember. I like it because a tiny insignificant droid could massacre an entire resistance, that f*cking scares me.

The best joke in the movie, and one of the sweetest moments

I would rather have prequel references, they are more iconic

...And it was destroyed when like said "That was a cheap move." Like almost everything in this movie it finds a way to get destroyed and that's what makes me dislike it.

@@turkepic3637 Im not sure how it ruined it...it was an actual genuine reaction between Luke and R2.

@@joshburns969 it's my opinion. I feel like if Luke just walked away it would have been more intense because at the end he does walk away.

@@turkepic3637 I thought that line was a meta commentary on using nostalgia as a cheap move

I say that the hermit idea can work but not with anything related to killing Ben. I think it should be Luke doing a mission and coming back to see all that happened, which is an idea i see thrown around a bit.

I'm sorry but I can't believe luke would ever do this. This is the guy that wouldn't even kill the wampa who tried to eat him. This is the guy that saw good in the second most evil man in the galaxy. I can't believe that luke would kill the only child of his best friend and twin sister just because he saw a little dark side energy that he could just talk him through.

@@poppapalpatine8624 did you forget he chopped off Vader’s hand? He does see good at him but don’t make it sound like he just talked it out. And like thinking about Ben was a fleeting thought.

@@thatsabingo6695 It was in self defense and he backed off and showed him mercy

@@poppapalpatine8624 Nah vader was literally holding onto a railing just to not fall over and luke started to beat the shit out of him

Dude cosmonaut and Schaff are the best when it comes to Star Wars

@@wrenren2112Couldn’t agree more

uMm aCtUalLy tHe fIlM iS oBjEcTiVeLy bAd

@@lukar7306 - MisAnthroPony (and this is coming from a tentative fan of that guy. But while his Cuphead review was so invalidly negative it made us rage, I’m glad he thinks Doug Walker is a poor man’s Mr. Enter because while the latter made a series dedicated to bashing Nickelodeon for the many, many things (IT’S OVER 9000!!!!!!) they did absolutely wrong (Nick-O-Rama), the former did something much worse like insult Sailor Moon, The Wall and countless other underrated gems like his own fandom with their bs #KeepTheChannel hashtag to justify his opinions by being too respectful of them even though Disneycember is pretty much an even worse (like, WAY worse) version of NOR)

You should watch Nerrel's video about this movie

To be fair, when you see two trains colliding head on with each other, you begin to put the car crash of yesterday in perspective.

@@Para0234 thus the love for the prequels

Yeah... no. Both are still terrible for most people. One is garbage the other is a trainwreck and force awakens is mediocre at best. Now fans are going back to prequels and legends for a reason.

@@minecraftgravityguy ah yes the prequels where a CGI character steps into shit and Shakespearean dialog like "I hate sand it's rough coarse and it gets everywhere"

@Zenitura Gaming "I wish I could put my fist through this whole lousy beautiful town."

Yeah like how dare he. Those two are more than just joke characters in the same way Dr. Doofenshmirtz is more than a comedic villain.

One Big Fox I love them a lot but I think the issue is that they sort of remove tension from any scene

I love Team Rocket, but I can see why some might dislike them. Sometimes they just add pointless tension and can really stagnate the plot (especially in the 1st season, which I also really like).

Exactly I can understand why a lot of people hate Jessie and James, but I love how they constantly break the 4th wall

I personally find them really annoying.

Exactly. "They get along too well?" Just say you're uncreative and don't understand character motivations and go.

@@i.j.dragonfly3123 But then what would Rose do then? I mean maybe they could have it be three of them and get rid of the whole mutiny plot. Or like Schafrillas suggested have them try to find the mole, which could end up being a small Droid or something that the First Order bugged their ship with.

THIS 👆

@@JMandJJ7797 Some people have raised the idea of Rose being another deserted stormtrooper, who decides to help Finn after losing her sister(-in-arms) in a pointless battle. Or maybe she could have been an expert technician who helps Finn and Poe leave the ship and covers for them. I'm not sure what Rian Johnson's original draft would have looked like. Honestly, given that TRoS demoted Rose to a glorified extra, she could have been cut entirely... but I think that would be a tragic waste. Kelly Marie Tran is a wonderful actress who was handed a terrible script, and I'd like to see what she would have done with a different story.

You just wrote this down from another video. LOL.

Lol. RotS says hello XD

@@moscanaveia exactly

To be fair the BB droids were some of the most competent characters in the movie

True tho

Bobby Ferg never underestimate a droid

I would say yes, and you know let me just say, before I saw this comment I thought "AHSOKA DIDN'T GET ADDED BUT A FRICKIN' SOCCER BALL DID!?!?" But now that I put together BB9E single-handedly ruined the Resistances planes, and then got added to a popular video game, I can now say it's well deserved

BB-9E deserves that spot. If he didn’t get in I’d honestly be a bit miffed.

I'm more concerned about the like/dislike ratio. Even saying one or two positive things about TLJ would make this video *"perfectly balanced"* with the ratio

Me scrolling down to the comment section: "This is where the fun begins."

Michael Strong Same goes both ways.

@CommandoDude and RU-vid comments lead to a brain dysfunction

CommandoDude XD

This is so bold! Thats a really good idea!! Instead of Rose being useless, now she actually is interesting!

hiimawesome6 I don’t get how she could be a spy for both what would she gain?

Seriously. Even a kid's movie called "Frozen" pulled this off perfectly. It's one of rare cases of GOOD subversions of expectations that this movie could have had.

@@rapidreaders7741 Define "perfectly".

Someone's been watching Nando V Movies

She's a pretty good actress too, it's a shame she didn't get a better character.

Let's just all agree that hardcore fans of anything can be the worst pieces of shit on the internet. EVEN IF you want to blame the actors, the writers, the directors, NOTHING justifies death threats and unending harassment. You lost the argument the moment you used such methods.

@@Akatsukileader9 Did she confirmed she left social media because of harassment? She may have left because she was contractually obligated to have one at the time.

Peter Griffin ate the Geneva Convention

Adrian Naranjo From what I heard LucasFilm is going to do another Star Wars saga set during the Old Republic where the films will be similar to the Marvel films, in terms of their format. That leads me believe that LucasFilm wanted to do that story more than the sequel trilogy because the sequel trilogy almost feels rushed so they can do what they really want, a MCU-like series but for Star Wars.

It's too bad that so far they've refused to take on one thing that they _should_ be using from the MCU - *meticulously planning out all of the films ahead of time.* I'm hoping they'll learn from that mistake with this rumored High Republic film series, because honestly the obvious lack of planning was _by far_ the biggest problem with the sequel trilogy.

Marvel really didn't have a meticulous plan; constant changing directors.

@@fightingmedialounge519 And yet they formed an extremely coherent narrative, because Kevin Feige was overseeing everything to make sure it all lined up. Good or bad, every film in the MCU at least has a purpose in the overall narrative.

no. the issue is that they're terribly written

Mr. Fish came here for these comments and there’s shockingly few hahaha

a siTH lOrD?

*Laughs in Sith Lord*

palpatine is not "all the sith" PALPATINE IS THE SENATE.

Palpatine: I am.... Rey: The Senate? Palpatine: I'm so proud....

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It was just such an odd moment. One or both of them should have been dead by that point. "We win by...saving what we love" is such a weird, try-too-hard line. And while John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran have decent chemistry, their interactions were so badly written that I wasn't even sure that Rose liked Finn until she kissed him. The explosion in the background just compounds how dumb it is. I wonder if this was one of the weird callbacks/"rules" that some fans are so obsessed with. In _The Empire Strikes Back,_ there was the epically entertaining relationship between Han and Leia. In _Attack of the Clones,_ there was the epically cringey relationship between Anakin and Padme. So maybe Disney demanded some overt romance in the second film of *this* trilogy, and Rian panicked and threw that silly moment in there. What makes it even weirder is that there was already a perfect opportunity for a romantic moment. Kylo and Rey had amazing chemistry. He clearly forgave her for scarring his face, and she trusted him enough to meet him alone in hostile territory. THEY HELD HANDS. If *they* had kissed after taking out all the Praetorian Guards, *that* would have fulfilled the romantic moments quota, made at least some sense, and been emotionally charged. Me and all my friends would have swooned 😂

@@polyhymnia701 This to the millionth degree. I would've loved to see a regular-ish perspective like Rose, but her writing was so far-fetched it made her the least relatable character in the entire series. Even JAR JAR is more relatable than she is. TLJ is as much a clusterfuck a movie as TROS is, it just doesn't rush as much.

that scene has downright perfect comedic timing. But that's obviously not the point which just makes it even funnier to me

The kiss came out of nowhere? I hated it the moment it happened.

Nando v Movies proposed a theory Rose is a first order spy. While I’m not a fan of “hero is actually evil” theories he brought up good points

When I think of that Classic Luke Skywalker, "bloodthirsty nephewkiller" always comes to mind. I mean, it's not like Luke EVER had the capacity to forgive those wielding the dark side, ESPECIALLY those who, ironically, were still innocent but were PROBABLY gonna do it.

@Katie Lewis yeah, just like Rey had ol' grandaddy's killer instincts kicking in...oh wait

"Force Sensitive Broom Boy" lives on as Rian Johnson. That was his character insert. Don't worry.

I actually loved Lukes character. Yes, attacking his nephew was a little weird, but what we got in return was far greater.

I think it would be far more interesting if they actually tried to deconstruct and then reconstruct his character. What if Luke’s unwavering hope that his nephew just needed a chance to be helped allowed Kylo to exploit Luke’s empathy and destroy his Jedi Order? And thus Luke runs away and goes to hide not only because he can’t bear to face Han and Leia after what he let their son become, but also because he basically had an existential crisis about how his compassion that saved Darth Vader and the galaxy might have now doomed it. And then Rey shows up and Luke helps her to see that Kylo Ren may not be beyond redemption, but Rey also gets Luke to finally forgive himself and realize that even if Ben could be saved, he threw the chance away and exploited Luke’s love. And then maybe instead of that whole astral projection thing, Luke just appears to Kylo in his mind, and Kylo goes down to fight him, but everyone just sees him swinging at the air, which would not only make for good comic relief but would also sow distrust in Kylo as the Supreme Leader because he looks like he’s insane. And then don’t have Luke just die for no reason other than plot convenience. This, to me, is an infinitely more interesting idea and is far more accurate to Luke as a character. It would begin by deconstructing Luke’s defining trait by showing what happens when faith in the good of others is betrayed, but then reconstruct Luke as a character by allowing him to grow and learn from this with a more down-to-earth perspective. What they did disappointed me because they just show us this old angry hermit, call him Luke Skywalker, and expect us to clap because they portrayed him negatively.

But making her a nobody doesn't fit with what was set up in Force Awakens.

@@BrendanJSmith force awakens set of nothing, it was just a shot by shot remake of a new hope

@motor4X4kombat Force Awakens copying A New Hope has NOTHING to do with this!

@@BrendanJSmith oh you mean an orphan from a desert planet finds a droid with secret information to destroy the space statiom from a facist regime with literal white soldiers and its his/her way he team up with a legend character that has a beloved one turn evil and told him/her about the spirital power called the force that he/she uses to save the day after loosing his mentor figure from his ally that turn to the dark side while a battle in space is going on? Yeah the story can go anywhere. And to add salt to the injury rise of the skywalker is worse with the repeats. If you "true fans" wanted nothing but a remaster versión of the original why the shit you didn't watch the originals insted? Next time you will tell me that the live action lion king set a "lot of great things" for the sequel.

@@motor4X4kombat My guy it’s the 7th movie in a huge fucking franchise. Sooner or later there are going to be similarities between each movie and yes that include the force awakens. The word “copy is such an insult for what the movie was trying to be. Hell look at the Indiana jones trilogy. All of the original 3 are the exact same movie. Hell you could maybe even say they “copy” each other. They all work as great films because it’s called a film formula. Even George Lucas said that all of Star Wars films should rhyme with each other. If you have a problem with he film for the similarities then I can see that, but calling it “copying” is just not right.

At least George had a general outline in mind when creating the stories for both the Original and Prequel Trilogies, probably more so with the Prequel Trilogy, to where he wanted things to go. It’s just apparent that Disney had no idea what they wanted to do with this Sequel Trilogy and the franchise in general, and they really should of had an amazing visionary like George Lucas to plan things out behind the scenes.

well honestly even though the sequel trilogy has split the Star Wars Fanbase with half of them making all kinds of ridiculous assumptions about both Disney and the directors without any proof whatsoever, I actually like The Force Awakens for many good reasons. Because to me, TFA didn’t entirely work as a sequel, but rather as a visually interesting standalone Star Wars film on its own, I felt like TFA didn’t entirely deserve a sequel, but then again it was the start of a mixed bag trilogy. TFA’s Story was well paced and knew exactly when to introduce a character old or new, and above that, the settings and soundtrack were phenomenal as well. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is a different story, sure it was directed by JJ Abrams (the same guy who directed TFA), but it didn’t entirely have the same visually interesting stuff TFA had, I mean I did love Palpatine’s return and it the reasons for his return did answer a lot of unanswered questions in TFA. I didn’t entirely mind the aspect of Rey being the granddaughter of Palpatine, but changing her last name to Skywalker for an unknown reason was a tiny bit uncalled for. My favorite parts in ROS was 1. When the force ghost of Luke spoke to Rey (I even liked his line “A Jedi’s Weapon deserves a little more respect!” 2. All the Jedi voices speaking to Rey (it was an awesome combination between some of the actual actors from past movies and voice actors from Clone Wars and Rebels) and best of all 3. Han Solo speaking to Ben, which is to me the most heartwarming scene in the movie because Han didn’t appear as a force ghost, but rather as a memory which works perfectly despite how rushed Ben’s redemption might’ve been

Even after this new trilogy, I still don't like the prequels all that much, but at least there was a consistent outline on where that trilogy would go.

PrimeBandet I would’ve been fine if the sequels were made by either just ryan or jj, ROS is ok for what jj had, i feel like a lot of the reasons why it was bad was because of TLJ and Disney, i personally don’t like TLJ but that’s because of the major problems with luke’s arc, it doesn’t feel like Luke, if during the fight with Kylo Luke was pleading with him to come back to the light it would’ve been much better imo, instead of just telling Kylo he’s lost then disappearing, that is not something Luke would do. I also don’t like Holdo at all, i would’ve preferred Ackbar to survive and do the lightspeed ram but that’s just me, ROS has a lot of stupid stuff as well, like the force heal and the palpatine stuff, i would’ve preferred for Rey to be anakin reincarnated, which would make sense with TLJ cause Anakin is a direct manifestation of the force to bring balance, and Rey should’ve died so then there isn’t any plot holes, Ben should’ve lived so he could continue the skywalker name, i’m fine with Palpatine coming back but if they didn’t do the Anakin reincarnated plot they should keep the jedi ghosts scene including them being there physically. I would continue but i’m lazy. TLDR Force Awakens was good TLJ was bad with good elements ROS could’ve been better but was ok

lazm0o well I do like how in the Jedi voices scene it’s a combination of both the live action actors and the voice actors from Clone Wars

The first 2 of these had the overarching theme of legacy.

@@brianbrush5107 that's certainly present in all three trilogies... thematics aren't the issue with the Sequel trilogy, plot construction was,

Nailed it

But the Original trilogy didn’t have a vision, A New Hope was supposed to be the only Star Wars movie but Lucasfilm changed their mind when they saw how much money it made, then there was a vision for Empire and Jedi.

@@ryanbollinger1759 the studio didn't have a plan for it, but George did (to a certain extent at least). probably just hypotheticals he was spinning around, but once it came time to make a sequel, he had laid the tracks for plenty of his hypotheticals to follow on, e.g. Evil Empire needs an Emperor, Vader survived, Luke has much more to learn etc. he definitely had the core laid out, just not the smaller bits and pieces (e.g. Leia and Luke's relationship)

Deep 😔✊

@@commentingcommenter1230 Why hello there.

so did yoda

Tbh, when i heard that statement from Rian in that interview i was actually thinking if he was telling the truth, or Disney didnt like having a gay couple in Star Wars

Poe and Finn so have the most chemistry in the Sequels

@@andreiefectivuatafac1966 TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if they saw the flood of people (understandably) shipping them, thought “Oh fuck” and immediately resolved to do everything in their power to kill all potential chemistry.

Whatz?

@@andreiefectivuatafac1966 I see the controversy

For the love of all that is holy, please no. I have been able to enjoy each Star Wars movie (Yes even the prequels) up to Rise of Skywalker. I grew up on Prequels and OT. Force Awakens made me giddy because Star Wars is back. Last Jedi made me happy because (While Kanto Bite can just not) I loved the movie and what it did. Rise of Skywalker is the first Star Wars movie where I have literally zero desire to ever see it ever again. It was bland, lackluster, and the ending left a bad taste. If they do *worse* there's no hope left.

Yes you could defend that it's better than the Prequels at least

@@deadshot5007 at least the prequels had a plot that made some sense. The rise of Skywalker's plot is terrible. There are so many plot holes and contrivances

@@deadshot5007 rise of skywalker will never be better than the prequels. The sequel trilogy will never in a million years will touch the prequel trilogy.

Da_Pikmin_Coder no, they’ve just about hit the bottom of the Sarlaac pit with this one

Oh, definetelly. Duel of the Fates is a lot better. BUT it needs some revisions and fixes, like Rey and Poe's romance, it comes out of nowhere. Finn/Rey clearly is a romantic couple, it's for the best it stays that way, because they have a lot of chemistry. With some fixes, it would be a very nice conclusion to the 9 episode saga.

Nintendo music works

I actually never noticed he had background music

Alright, before this comments section gets explosive, I would like to agree wholeheartedly. I mean, Star Wars is outstanding, and the last thing I would want( and I’m sure I can say this about at least some of the fans) would be a repetitive story simply because newer screenwriters aren’t confident enough to do something new.

Tbh I’m mixed on it. We finally get to know why she’s so powerful and it’s kind of satisfying but it’s a repeated trope in SW we’ve seen too many times. It kind of made me appreciate Rey nobody even more but TLJ didn’t seem to care Rey found out her parents are nobody even though that was her life goal to find out who her parents were. It just ignore it.

Tbh I’m mixed on it. We finally get to know why she’s so powerful and it’s kind of satisfying but it’s a repeated trope in SW we’ve seen too many times. It kind of made me appreciate Rey nobody even more but TLJ didn’t seem to care Rey found out her parents are nobody even though that was her life goal to find out who her parents were. It just ignore it.

@@joeyjerry1586 yeah.. the execution was not done well, but the general idea was great. Also, I think it’s been mentioned that someone can be force sensitive without any apparent bloodline.(just look at obi-wan for example)... but I agree she was far too strong, taking on a well-trained Skywalker With literally 0 training. I like to tell myself that Kylo was at a vulnerable position after killing his Dad, but I agree that it’s no excuse for such a mistake.

(I know comment is a year old) I wholeheartedly agree; I was one of the people who was expecting her to be a Skywalker, or a Kenobi, or a Katarn, etc, but when I first watched TLJ, the decision annoyed me to make her a nobody. As time went on (and then we got the dumpster fire of TROS) I liked the idea a lot more and more, showing that anyone in the SW universe can be important or can make an impact, and that not everything in the story has to be about the Skywalkers (and their buddies)

That's kind of what people were saying about the prequels when tlj.

Kye Dysarthria Revenge of the Sith over the sequels any day

Episode ix make luke skywalker even more coward since he could have go to crait with the x-wing the whole time

Meh. To me, they’re both bad for different reasons. TLJ has similar problems with BvS in prioritizing visuals and deconstructionist themes without organically connecting them with the plot and characters, thus leading to a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies. ROS is like Justice League, in which it tries to damage control the previous film and please everyone, and ends up pleading no one by making a plotless, visually-bankrupt junk food movie.

King Bash the thing is, even though TLJ kinda retcons TFA by killing Snoke or having Reys parents being no one, at least it could be considered a "fresh take" on Star Wars (no chosen one, no big bad evil guy), despite its shortcomings. Even though I didn’t really like it, I went out of the theatre telling myself "well at least the last one will be interesting to watch, I wonder where they are gonna go". And then TROS happened and I realized that Disney really considered Star Wars fans to be idiotic manbabies who would just swallow anything if you pat them on the head saying "don’t worry, the big bad Ryan Johnson movie didn’t really happen, here are some cool visuals to make you forget, and don’t worry, the Asian chick you hated won’t be in it". After seeing TLJ, I felt disappointed. After seeing TROS, I felt personally insulted.

Luigi Nastro he’s the main villain, he apparently escaped being tried for war crimes by the new republic and apparently led the purge on mandalore, he also has the dark saber

Luigi Nastro I’m done with the movies, like wait 30 years then you can give us the next trilogy, at least then I will have become a force ghost and roam the galaxy looking for better planets

I mean yea but it would have been more threatening if he was hinted at in any way before he was revealed

Tanner Bruning I think he’s interesting, but most of that is the actor Giancarlo Esposito who knows how to shape a character well, plus you didn’t see him through the whole series and they have more room to build him up for the future if they use their setup properly

I liked Werner Herzog more as a Villian, but he probably has better things to do than be in Disney+ films

@Tom Ffrench Plus they didn't save the slave children

@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS the slave children weren't part of the mission, plus they merely had a space ship to leave the planet.probably the children would've been saved later on, once the rebels were safe and could manage an invasion/inside job on the planet

I would prefer it if Rose and Finn made a close bond at Canto and have more scenes of them getting to know about each other, something akin to Han and Leia in ESB, and not learning about the horrors of war opportunists and what not. Then her saving Finn would at least feel impactful even if he's doing it for the greater good, because she's a human as well and can have emotions that contradicts logic. She just lost her sister, and she doesn't want to lose another, I think this is what Rian was going for but Canto is so distracting that it doesn't feel impactful. And yes, Canto is the only gripe I have about this movie, it's like the entirety of Jabba part of the story in ROTJ.

@@stefan6347 The stuff at Jabba's palace was resolving the Han cliffhanger at the end of the previous film and to show what's happened to Luke since Empire.

@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS I know that, but they lasted too long and became boring after awhile.

Wich was also terrible but a "little less" (according to some people)

That is how i felt, but it was only because i waited for a bew Star wars movie, once time passes, you start to realize a movie sucks.

This movie is much worse than he presents it in this video. In fact, a lot of his arguments are poor and unsubstantiated. He just asserts things, maybe says a few buzzwords like 'character dynamics' or 'themes' and moves on.at 2/3 of the way in the video, he has not made one cogent argument for the movie being good, just how he liked it.

Alexander Marier let’s be fair here, episode 9 was way worse than TLJ, yes, the past jedi is not perfect, but JJ Abrams had the chance to make a better movie but opted to make it nostalgic and ruin all the canonity of the previous ones. Although that is my opinion, if you prefer Episode 9 than 8, and you think episode 8 is bad, it is ok. I shouldn’t be offended by somebody’s opinion of a movie and as long as everybody respects other’s opinion it is ok :)

@@alexgria Well, the last Jedi also messed up canon (I'm not defending episode 9)

Most unique is like being the tallest kid in kindergarten. its Empire 2.0 but with all plots going nowhere.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 How's it a clone of The Empire Strikes Back? I consider The Last Jedi's originality to be one of its high points.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 Yeah no. It plot go somewhere just because it didnt go somewhere you like doesnt mean it bad.

@@geekyradical4985 its the same plot made by reylo fan fic writers.

@@mcolottiboy Well, I consider the throne room sequence to be pretty original. In that, they made it clear that Snoke wasn't meant to be a ripoff of Palpatine and that Kylo Ren isn't a ripoff of Darth Vader. Luke's story arc with struggling against his inner darkness after he contemplated killing his nephew was also a solid attempt to go in a new direction. Although The Last Jedi obviously has its flaws, it also has its significant high points.