Rewiring A 100 Year Old Garage | Removing Knob & Tube Wiring

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In this video you’ll see how I updated the wiring to an old detached garage in Westfield, New Jersey. Three new switches, three new receptacles, three new lights, EMT conduit, and a pair of junction boxes for convenient wiring methods. All new wiring with 12/2 MC cable and metal outlet boxes. Thanks for watching and subscribing. Please hit that notification bell too.
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@Bob.W. Год назад

The old no. 14 wire on knob and tube would carry a lot of current, being in free air. Inside walls it is often in good shape, but not so when it comes into a box or just through diagonal holes in a board with loom above the old light fixtures. Insulation there is usually pretty toasty.

@wmhfv992 3 месяца назад

Feeling lots of Milwaukee pride watching this. From Milwaukee and also a proud user of so many of Milwaukee tools. But I will admit I'm a big fan of Makita as well. I've done tons of ethernet fishing and wiring, but learning more about electrical work as I restore and update my 1940s house. Appreciate all you do to make your years of experience and knowledge accessible to more people.

@baddbrad4081 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Ron for sharing your knowledge with us.😊

@davehowell4111 Год назад

Just started watching ur videos,absolutely love them .

@mattschoular8844 Год назад

Nice work, Ron. It's interesting to see the variety, not just service upgrades.

@vince6829 Год назад

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Much appreciated.

@electricalron Год назад

You’re welcome Vince.

@johnmazzocchi7116 Год назад

Nice job Rob I like all the Milwaukee boxes and tools Great atorage

@Gruntled2001 Год назад

You are my kind of guy. Running MC in exposed areas is the way to go.

@bestshot300 Год назад

Ron, so cal electrician here. I hate using bags, but i just started using the VETO pro pac waist apron. It makes my life easier.

@Garrett_Builds Год назад

Great discussion about Kelvin temperature. Don't forget color quality as well!

@SG-zh5xd Год назад

Looks relaxing

@electricalron Год назад

Very!

@gregratliff6450 Год назад

Awesome stuff

@mackfisher4487 Год назад

Extra points for EMT & 1900 boxes: Garage stud walls and open overhead is a perfect example of where conduit is the best. I like how you fabricate backer boards in your work too, "do it right the first time" as callbacks are a money pit..

@electricalron Год назад

Thank you.

@MyTheMinecraftGuy Год назад

Awesome videos I’ve just recently started uploading electrical videos too because of you ! I love you work

@electricalron Год назад

That’s great to hear! Work hard and try to make good videos. Take your time but don’t over think it. Just hit record. Good luck to you!

@FHES2005 Год назад

Great video looking forward to seeing more

@electricalron Год назад

Thank you Fred! 👊

@gregmiller-breetz3368 6 месяцев назад

I’ve got that same old Edison-based box in my 1920s house too. Don’t know if it had fuses in it at one time but in later years it also became a j-box and recently we just bypassed it altogether. I should probably rip it out but it’s got a 2 inch (?) rigid conduit connected to it and it’s in a tight space so it might just have to stay there forever.

@bldsprt518 9 месяцев назад

Great video, new sub. I appreciate that you are helping people keep safe. My house is 123 yo and I haven't been able to get someone to even quote getting my k&t out. Its a tough dirty job in the old houses but it needs to be done at some point.

@electricalron 9 месяцев назад

It’s costly because we need to open walls to fish cables.

@merllhagard6799 Год назад

beautiful sir

@DavidVerch Год назад

Good discussion on color temperature. When they first went to compact flourescent it was difficult to figure out what temperature to get. LEDs are better. Also now they put lumens on the box. I had a friend replace a bunch of 4 foot flourecents in her kitchen with round LEDs. Then she wondered why the kitchen was so dark. She about halved the amount of lumens. Not sure about others, as I get older I need more lumens.

@johnstancliff7328 11 месяцев назад

you should make a video about tube and knob, explaining what it is and why it needs to be replaced. show the fragility of the old wire and how fires are started by it.... seeing it still around in 2023 is crazy! I thought by now it would all be gone....

@JoseRodriguezFrio 6 месяцев назад

The amount of work and costs to remove it... you should understand why it's still around

@slippinslidewayz Год назад

Great work Ron. I'd trust you to wire anything in a heartbeat. I'm rewiring my 1933 original wired colonial so I can use some good advice! That said, I was a OSHA instructor for a while and if you can turn off those circuits or wear insulated gloves, I would always recommend it. You wouldn't believe how many electrocutions we watch when we go through the instructor course. Hell, we had an electrician there who dang near taught the course. I don't even trust a blow dryer near water connected to a GFCI anymore. They're good but still not fast enough response time to mitigate the chance of heart failure from what I understand. Sorry, I ranted again 😂 God bless, and great work man!

@MrKen59 Год назад

I’m look at temperature all the time on bulbs and I tend to like 2700 to 4K at the most. Some of my neighbors are installing daylight bulbs and insanely bright daylight flood lamps on porches and garages. They literally hurt my eyes at night and don’t understand why people do it. I glad you aimed the floods so they aren’t pointing aimlessly down the driveway. Beautiful job and love the metal.

@slippinslidewayz Год назад

Agreed. Soft white for everything but the bathroom vanity, garage interior, attic, and utility room. Our 1933 home would look out of place with daylight bulbs anywhere else. Unfortunately many of my neighbors don't think the same way.

@aaron74 Год назад

Oh nice work. Love the EMT, MC cable, and steel boxes. Good materials for a garage. I used NM cable and boxes in my garage, but the commercial grade materials are superior for exposed work for sure

@electricalron Год назад

Thank you. It’s a little more labor intensive but worth it.

@timlehman8143 Год назад

@@electricalron If the garage already has drywall up...what do you use to install outlets at the workbench height and for a ceiling outlet for a garage opener? Metal or plastic? Is NMB ok to staple to the drywall or is a strip of wood needed? or is MC required? as I understand it, the wiring cannot be subject to damage but is the wiring subject to damage if it is set back 24" (countertop/workbench depth). question being....no conduits needed?

@TheTubejunky Год назад

Doesn't the 2017 code require GFCI outlets in garages?

@mattthompson9480 5 месяцев назад

Thank you very much brother. We have a 1915 home. There is a wood panel outside. There is still knob and tube coming from that old wooden panel into a old shed outside. I cannot believe it still works. Then we have a yes I know it’s scary, federal pacific panel in the cellar with aluminum wiring. Could you get any more scary. I am currently working on it with a journeyman electrician friend of mine to eliminate thus. Great knowledge brother

@TheTubejunky Год назад

Note: For anyone working above or below a motorized garage door be sure to secure and power down/lock out tag out the operator. Accidents are very common with this mistake being made. On the note stay safe skilled workers!

@electricalron Год назад

Just unplug the cord.

@johnc6343 Год назад

@16:02 Here in PR we have to pigtail to receptacles cause of fires. Many have melted so they made it part of the "complementary guidelines" to the NEC.

@electricalron Год назад

Do your best work. Always.

@johnc6343 Год назад

@@electricalron Keep em coming, "in the field videos" are the best.

@Bob.W. Год назад

The old farm electricians would just carry a box on 12-2 UF on their truck, since it could be used for so many situations. For MC I always use metal boxes and redheads on the connectors.

@sc1338 Год назад

I love how old wiring looks 😂

@tedlahm5740 8 месяцев назад

2700 K my favorite

@seymourscagnetti1413 Год назад

Awesome job! Video mark 19:53 Using linesman's 9's is a very nice alternative to a razor knife to strip the ground conductor in preparation for bonding the j-box. Great video Ron.

@alberthartl8885 11 месяцев назад

Next time you feed a bell box through a wall, just use a short threaded nipple. Then use an appropriate transition fitting on the inside of the wall. Rain tight and smaller hole in wall. Been doing it for 30 years.

@munsters2 Год назад

Folks, he is right about the porcelin lampholders being better. Definitely do not use the cheap plastic Leviton lampholers that are sold at Home Depot. They have a very poor riveted connection which can become loose and arc creating a potential fire hazard.

@marksommer3073 Год назад

For this install I think you may be able to use a “ tight bite” connector I think made by Thomas and Betts. Those take up less room

@electricalron Год назад

Never heard of it.

@MrKen59 Год назад

What brand of keyless lights did you use ? They look nice. I’m a huge fan of MC cable - especially after mice ate through cables in my attic. I picked up a role of stranded 12/2 mc as it was a sweet deal at the time and like it a lot. You did a beautiful job as aways.

@electricalron Год назад

Leviton at the Home Depot.

@jwardcomo Год назад

I live in a 95-year-old house. I have a name for my pain - knob and tube. It's out now but rewiring with plaster and lath and balloon framing is a nightmare.

@electricalron Год назад

It could be very painful. It takes a lot of time.

@donmclean1220 6 месяцев назад

Use your safety classes especially working above your head. I once was driving galvanized nails above my head and had to go to the ER. A little flake of the galvanized coating got on the white part of the eye and it really hurt. The doctor removed it , no permanent damage. But you lose a day of work. 😢

@michaelstaley9979 Год назад

Great install Ron. Question for you, which article in the NEC would I find that says that there should be a main shutoff switch in a shed or detached garage. Thank you.

@electricalron Год назад

225.6 I believe. I’m on vacation and my NEC is NOT with me.

@mofbombay6290 9 месяцев назад

Pigtails are old school , carry over from k & t days , vary out dated , more connections to heat up an go Bad .

@FrontRowOrBust Год назад

Great video, Ron! Have you purchased Milwaukees new stapler? It saves a lot of time stapling!

@electricalron Год назад

Not yet because I have the Dewalt version from a few years ago.

@FrontRowOrBust Год назад

@@electricalron ah! I’ve used that one as well. Definitely one of my favorite purchases. Keep up the good work

@arnieselectric007 Год назад

You're very good at what you do and a great communicator you should def teach some apprentices to keep the trade growing...

@tedlahm5740 8 месяцев назад

What year (about) was last year for knob and tube installation?

@alfredoghost2306 Год назад

What do you think about wagos?

@bigdaddy4975 Год назад

If there’s only one circuit coming out to that garage you wouldn’t be sharing the neutral right? I’m just asking because I thought you said you were sharing the neutral.

@SeventeenSeventySix 8 месяцев назад

An electrician who owns a hammer, you don't see that every day.

@paulrodney5757 Год назад

why did you run two pieces of emt one will handle more conductors than you have

@user-ss6zt2mo1l Год назад

How do I hire way a Great organized Electrician ? I’m Not moving to NJ 😊

@jamesrobinson1022 Год назад

I would prefer to have more outlets and lighting in a garage and on it's own subpanel and also outside outlets.

@electricalron Год назад

Well, that might be an additional $5k.

@samfish6938 Год назад

I like daylight other lights look yellow

@electricalron Год назад

And the daylights look like a dentist office.

@davekimball3610 Год назад

I assume electricians get all their supplies from supply houses that only sell to the trades. Just curious that when you buy metal work boxes from those places, do they include the green ground screw? I assume the home Depot's and Lowes' don't as too many jerks keep stealing them.

@edisont.picard4112 Год назад

Only weatherproof bell boxes come with the binding screw.

@mathlover2299 11 месяцев назад

the skill saw on the trash can. Get some saw horses man

@ronaldkovacs7080 Год назад

Do the garage door operators need to be on gfci protection?

@kevinstrauss8020 Год назад

From what I can tell, the receptacles for the garage door openers are in the load side of the GFCI on the wall. The door opener receptacles should be marked “GFCI Protected”.

@lukehanlon3179 Год назад

Hi Ron ! Do you need to use TR outlets inside of a garage?

@electricalron Год назад

Yes.

@aaron74 Год назад

Universally required these days for residential work

@davidhill3724 Год назад

the original box was a fuse box why not a small breaker box in its place

@samfish6938 Год назад

not using pigtail on outlet you can overload outlet and the outlet can burn out and it's harder to find in fault finding a lot of the 15amp outlets are cheap and will only last year

@electricalron Год назад

I'm not worried Sam. The receptacles are designed and rated to be wired and installed like this. Are you an electrician?

@edisont.picard4112 Год назад

Hogwash. Using the back stab connection might be risky, but using the screws it will last a very long time.

@james-kh7oi Год назад

i guess i missed the Knob and Tube section...?

@dancingdog2790 Год назад

Saw the one-handed work at the beginning: "Yep, it's hot." Not an electrician, but I have enough sense not to buy the $0.60 receptacles -- a good $2-5 receptacle will have 20A internals for the 15A version, good clamps (not stabs!) for back connection , and plenty of brass for the pass-through.

@DontHaveTime523 Год назад

What’s your labor rate ,I’m guessing this job about 1800 ?

@electricalron Год назад

How did you come up with that figure?

@DontHaveTime523 Год назад

@@electricalron it was just a guess a wild guess I bill out at 1200 a day with helper but I have friends who bill out more and of course some of the bigger outfits bill out much more . I just had a customer tell me that one of the bigger companies charged him $40,000 to replace the knob and two in his 1600 square-foot house I would’ve done it for half that

@KpxUrz5745 Год назад

That's a lucky break to have a relatively simple and straightforward job of replacing K&T in an open garage. Most of us face nearly impossible jobs in big old houses where all the old wiring is fully hidden behind wooden ceilings and wooden walls, or massive baseboard planks, or plaster-on-lath walls throughout the whole house. Which basically means such massive amounts of demolition and difficult repairs that it is probably better to just bulldoze down the entire house and start over.

@electricalron Год назад

"Most of us" wtf does that mean? Do you seriously think I haven't taken on jobs like that before? I've done whole houses - BY MYSELF.

@KpxUrz5745 Год назад

@@electricalron I never suggested or implied that you haven't done harder jobs before. All I said was it's a lucky break to get an easy one this time. Anyway, if you've done entire hundred year old houses, I guess besides electrician work you are also expert at patching hundreds of ancient plaster-on-lath holes (which can be quite involved) and patching hundreds of unattractive outlet and switchplate holes in 100 year old beadboard walls, (which can also be hard to match and repair). My comment was a simple observation, not an attack, and I did not expect to interact with you directly about this. I've hired many many contractors in my day, but I've never met one who is skilled enough or even willing to perfectly patch countless big holes in plaster walls or beadboard walls, and do a nice job of it. Clearly that type of repair would cost far more than upgrading all the knob and tube to modern wiring.