Joseph Song and Boondock I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. The hate toward this man is so utterly disgusting. He is clearly the GOAT of QBs period!
At the end of the day, 5 > 4 is a debate-stopper. It's just simple math, 5 > 4. Just is. Deal with it. Before Sunday, you dealt with having to address tie breakers, even though we all knew getting to the big game and losing was a bigger accomplishment than losing earlier, so those "undefeated in the Superbowl!" arguments were invalid. But now that he has 5, it's over. Done. 5 baby. yap all you want. 5. It's never going away. It's a fact. 5. which is > than 4.
AFCE has the highest win % of all divisions in the NFL, both overall and against opponents outside of the division. And no, it's not an opinion anymore. Anyone who tries to say Jordan or Ruth weren't the goats of their sport will get laughed at. Brady is there now. There's not a single good argument you can make against Brady. You've tried and you've failed. Analysts disagree with you, former and current players disagree with you, former and current coaches disagree with you. Even Patriots haters disagree with you. And don't give me the "era" argument, because that argument Benefits Brady, not Montana, and that's coming from former players and coaches. You think you know more than former players and coaches? You can have Montana or whoever you want as your idol. Montana is still #2. He's still the greatest of his era. But enough with the Brady hate.
gotem nigah nigah you need to watch this video again, this time with the sound turned on. Listen to what the man is saying. Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time and quite possibly the greatest player of all time. That argument is OVER. You believe manning is the best but I'll bet you that even manning, his daddy, and his little brother will tell you that Tom Brady is the G.O.A.T. ( no "big" words were used in this video ) G = greatest O = of A =all T= time
@ Wolfpacked22. The only ''cement'' in the debate over who is the greater QB----Brady or Montana is the ''cement'' in the craniums of those sports fans and sports announcers and so-called ''experts'' who ludicrously think that Brady is the GOAT QB in NFL history! I must point out the fact that Brady stunk in the first half of SB51 and was exceedingly mediocre in his performances in his SB against the St. Louis Rams and in one of his SBs against the NY Giants in which his QB Rating in both of those two SBs was in the 80 percentile range! Joe Montana never stunk in any half of any of his 4 SBs and never had a QB Rating as low as the 80 percentile range in any of his 4 SBs.
ha. do you realize how funny you sound now? the thing about americans is even if they can't stand certain players there are certain events where they recognize greatness. Brady is the goat. and anyone who denies it at this point sounds silly. 11 afc title games. 6 of those in a row. 5 wins. it's not even worth me typing anymore
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he said the pats titles need asterisks again last night. The reason for this is stupid, is that the spygate infraction the pats were guilty of was completely legal during the superbowl he played against the Patriots.
@jmctigret. How pitifully sad that a Montana fan such as yourself fails to do the research into the underlying reasons for why it ONLY APPEARS that Brady is a greater QB than Montana, whereas if one bothers to go to the effort to examine the statistical record in depth and examine the underlying factors comparing the two different eras in NFL history, the statistical and other evidentiary facts clearly reveal that Montana was without any question whatsoever a much better QB than Brady! You sadly like the unthinking news media and most unthinking sports fans make the kneejerk assumption that because Brady has more SB titles and has appeared in more SBs than Joe Montana and has thrown more SB TD passes than Montana, that ERGO! Brady is the better QB -----WRONG assumption! In another comment on this video clip on the youtube website I examine the extensive statistical evidence and underlying factors which clearly indicate that unequivocally and without any question whatsoever Montana was a much better QB than Brady! Most of the unthinking news media and most unthinking sports fans see what they expect to see and not what is really there in front of their very eyes in terms of events and trends in society of which the sports world is a part. People in modern times, for example, erroneously assume that modern pro athletes are better players and athletes that their earlier and past era counterparts--nothing can be further from the truth if one carefully examines the statistical record while simultaneously examining in depth the underlying reasons why it only appears that modern athletes are better or greater than their earlier or past era counterparts! People like sports announcer/reporter Jim Gray want to be able to say to their grandkids years from now that they saw something special sports-wise----well that is not the way sports works. Just because someone wants something to be special or a certain way does not make it so!
7Lukibi99Tore7 there's no really right or wrong picking of these quarterbacks but to me Brady is better than Montana. Montana had the same team in tack for pretty much his whole career with the 49ers. Brady's team changes every year. plus Brady as surpassed all of Montana's stats and records so the debate is over between Montana and Brady. you can sit there and continue to write your essay trying convinced someone, to justify who's better between Montana or Brady. people will choose who they think is better of their preference.
+Kaimana Bissen Agreed. Not to take away from Montana's greatness, but he A) played in an era with no salary cap; B) played with more-or-less the same core guys. By contrast, not only has Brady played with a revolving door of players, but with the exception of playing with Randy Moss for a couple years, he never had a Pro Bowl deep threat, just a bunch of JAG receivers. (And when Brady finally did get his Pro Bowl WR, he and Moss teamed up to shatter multiple passing/receiving records in a season, and Moss still owns the most-ever TDs by a WR in a season, at 22.) Any coincidence that the two best slot receivers in NFL history are Wes Welker and Julian Edelman? Of course not. Prior to Welker joining the Pats, he was just a pretty good receiver. With Brady, Welker becomes a terror. And when Welker leaves the Pats, he wasn't quite the same player as he was with Brady. Moreover,, Julian Edelman has now supplanted Welker as the greatest slot receiver ever. Coincidence? Again, of course not. Insofar as combining gaudy regular-/post-season stats AND records, no other QB in NFL history comes within LIGHT YEARS of Brady, and that's why he's the GOAT. ALL-AROUND GREATNESS. To further put things into perspective, Brady owns a staggering 31 post-season & SB records. The QB with the 2nd most? Peyton Manning, with a "whopping" 5 LOL. Montana? A "whopping" 3. And multiple Brady records are HIS OWN PREVIOUS RECORDS THAT HE BROKE (e.g. greatest 4th quarter comeback in a SB, etc.). To sum up, Brady's only competition now is himself. The debate is over. GOAT.
I say, that 21 yard run, down by so many points..., I think was the real wake up call to his team... It’s an under appreciated moment in the game, by fans, and so called “experts” alike..., but it’s awesome. It showed everyone, and his team especially, that Tom wasn’t giving up. He was still confident... That’s the rally point. At least in my opinion.
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Faulk clearly lacks any self awareness at this point. He has no idea how stupid he sounds attempting to diminish the accomplishments of a QB who just performed a miracle after 17 years of unprecedented success. It's so easy to see right through his jealousy.
I'm so tired of these people's flawed ass "well Montana is undefeated" arguments... Listen man. He only went to 4 Super Bowls.. When you go to SEVEN of them, you're bound to lose one or two of them. And it's not like he's ever legitimately got beat ether.. Both those losses came from a isnanly lucky catches in the diving minutes of the games. Brady's the GOAT, end of story.
Thankfully that excuse is GONE. Can't use it. The "but but but, he never lost one!" is ONLY for tie-breaker. Now Brady has 5, it's moot. 5 > 4. Period. End of story. More rings, more appearances, biggest comebacks, all the stats/records, and all in the Salary cap era and without a Jerry Rice. You can say it's BB or the defense, but who's the only player still left over from those first 3... oh yeah, that would be Brady! There's no argument. None. Only conversation now is best PLAYER ever. But QB? It's now a fact, not opinion. TB12.
Kyle Legg that excuse is gone if your a Pats fan, NFL fan under the age of 40 or a hack like Rich Eisen that works for the league. The level of competition in this league is currently a joke. Where are the good defenses??? You know the side of the ball that was the equalizer to offset teams that play arena league style football. Would have been nice for Montana to play teams like Tebows Broncos, bums like the Texans, overrated one dimensional Colts and a toothless Steeler team with no defense/ no Bell in the post season.
HitsTownUSA Lmao no one agrees with you man. overwhelming majority of analysts, media members and current and former NFL members believe he is the GOAT. Is Deion Sanders a hack, or Steve young, Michael Irvin, Shannon Sharpe, Steve Smith, etc the lost goes on forever. Face it BRADY IS THE GOD DAMM GOAT.
They are talking heads that aren't going to bash the NFL golden boy and look like haters in the eyes of viewers under the age of 40 (that are in the majority of the demographic). Nobody will speak up on those Rams teams about Spygate giving NE an advantage as to why they lost for fear of public backlash. Marshall Faulk speaks about it and is labeled a salty hater. Similar of what is happening here with Joe Montana, those "analysts" that were covering the sport in Montana's day would be labeled as a "spokesman of their era". Sorry I don't buy into it and many talk shows I have listened to are a bit more hesitant about saying who is the GOAT, and they aren't behest to some major network that is more concerned with revenue and elevating the league's PR than anything else. Now run along.
2 years later and he's won another super bowl, making it 6. Oldest to ever do it. Even broke his own record in a loss to Philly. Tom Brady is the goat. He's getting his 7th before he turns 45 and retires.
Even if Gronk never made a catch, it's the double and triple teams he demands that makes him so valuable. It would be as if the Falcons didn't have Julio Jones. That's what makes this win so impressive and explains the early struggles.
From 199 pick to 5 superbowl, that's one hell of a journey. That in itself makes Brady the best nfl player ever...period, forget quaterback. And coming back from a 28-3 deficit at 39 years old, in nfl term, as an old man. Don't wanna hear about Montana, Otto, Manning you Rice, Brown you name it , Tom is the man.
1.TOM BRADY 🐐(5-2)🤴🤵 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 + Gisele counts as a life W😍 2.J.Montana (4-0) 3.T.Bradshaw (4-0) 4. T.Aikman (3-0) 5. J.Elway (2-3) *6. P.Manning (2-2) *7. R.Staubach (2-2) *8. J. Kelly (0-4) *9 B.Roethlisberger (2-1) *10 Bob Griese (2-1) I still don't know what to do with players like Dan Marino, Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees etc🤔 because "It's just Blasphemous" to not have them on your Top10 No matter your standards are 😱... But With my list, they'd fall outside the top 10 which still bothers me... Since NFL QB's are the only pos. strongly judged by SuperBowls /Performances First & Then their Stats Second & then by the Teams they were on, system, coaches, players around them etc :) But by going on SBs "No Matter what Coaches/Defenses/Receivers/Systems/Scandals they had". The Top 10 Greatest Qbs of All Time would be this list🏈
+Devilz DandruFF well if your going by ring overall technically Steve young has 3 SB rings 2as a Back up to montana & 1 as the starter 😂 but nah i here what your saying Steve young is dedinetly one of the greats & he's Top 10 alltime Best QB in the 90's Better than Favre & easily better than Troy
Charlie Football as a 49er fan I can only see highlights of Montana...I seen Young play followed by Jeff Garcia....In retrospec Young was a beast and if he never won the SB vs SD he wouldnt be in conversation as GOAT....Garcia played like steve young but didnt have SB ring to back up his legacy....
Damn straight Rich Eisen. It's truly a privilege to watch Brady play. It's what got me into football. I never liked watching until I saw Brady destroy Pittsburgh in 2010.. I didn't know shite about football but I knew I was watching a master at his craft and it was awesome
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In regards to Faulk, there is an important thing to note about commentators: There are analysts who lost to the Patriots and those who never lost big games to the Patriots. Those who lost Superbowls to the Patriots or lost to them a lot in the AFC are very salty even in their critiques.
TheGr8stManEvr because Warner knows he has nothing to prove or be salty about. HOF Undrafted QB who went to two Superbowls and nearly won both. Faulk is just petty because he wasn’t the Faulk that got to play with Brady lmao.
Here is my top 10 QB's of all time (Super Bowl era) 1:Tom Brady 2: Joe Montana 3: Peyton Manning 4: Dan Marino 5: Brett Favre 6: Roger Staubach 7: Drew Brees 8: Terry Bradshaw 9: Ben Roethlisberger 10: Steve Young
Of course he's right, it stopped being a debate for me about 6 years ago when he won MVP. Im so sick of all those Montana fanboys who just cant accept Brady in number one, Brady leads Montana in about 20 different categories and is the GOAT, end of
How are people even still debating this after Brady led his team back from being 25 points down late in the third quarter in the Super Bowl for his 5th SB won and his 7th appearance (now has 8 appearances)? Does anybody really think that Brady wouldn’t have won 4 or more Super Bowls with the insanely stacked team Montana had? Brady is the undisputed GOAT imo. I say this as a lifelong Niners fan growing up with a Dad and Brother who were Niner fans. Montana is #2.
Still think James White should have been co-MVP. 29 rushing yards (4.8 average), 110 receiving, 3 all-purpose TDs and the game-winning TD in overtime. Those are stats deserving of co-MVP. As much as I like Brady, I'm a little peeved that White wasn't recognized with co-MVP honors.
Reereez4795 yea they needed to make them co mvps somehow. Even if they had to collude lol cuz you can't not give it to the guy who threw for 466 yards and you can't not give it to a guy who punched in 20 points
Reereez4795 here's another thing to consider. the first 3 quarters, Brady sucked. James white wasn't doing much until Brady had it going. Sorry, when Brady goes, the team goes. Amendola could have been the mvp too, making clutch catches and such. But Brady makes the reads and the passes to the right people to make the plays.
Rich you are 100 percent right! I never had doubt that Brady and the pats could do it! SB51 was the icing on the cake! And who knows but i think they can do it again!! The goat 🐐
Correction Brady has 5 rings and also Charles Haley although Haley won his 5 with two different teams and I have a funny feeling TB will end up with the most before it is all said and done...
Joe Montana is the greatest Super Bowl QB ever. Emphasis on *Super Bowl* because I'm only referring to that game and that one game alone. He played in 4, won all 4 and never threw a pick. However, Montana wasn't putting up Marino numbers in the regular season, and he had the luxury of playing with Hall of Famers for multiple years, including arguably the GOAT period in Jerry Rice. Peyton Manning is the greatest regular season QB of all time. Look at the numbers and the MVP awards, what Peyton did in the regular season was simply unbelievable. He was so advanced and so cerebral that it was like he knew the defensive coverage better than the defensive players themselves. However, Manning never really replicated his regular season excellence in the post season, and was average or worse in all 4 of his Super Bowl games. Tom Brady? Well he's not far off from Manning in the regular season, and he has better stats and wins than Montana in the Super Bowl, although his numbers aren't as efficient on a per game basis. But Tom Brady, cumulatively, is THE Greatest Quarterback Of All Time without a doubt. Like Max Kellerman says, he is Joe Montana with Dan Marino numbers. When you combine everything that makes a QB *GREAT* and not just good or the best, Tom Brady stands alone. His detractors are always keen to say he owes his wins to Belichick, and that football is a team sport so it's not just his success, etc etc, but that's just living in denial. 11 AFC Championship Games 7 Super Bowl Appearances 5 Super Bowl wins 4 Super Bowl MVP awards All of this in the salary cap era with different receivers and running backs. There is no debate to be had except whether he is the greatest NFL player of all time (I have him at #1 ahead of Rice, Brown and Taylor). He's already the most successful player in NFL history, but I have him at #1 because he has been so dominant and so successful for so long and he doesn't look like stopping any time soon. He may not be the best NFL player ever, that's Jim Brown in my opinion, but he is the greatest to me (I distinguish between being the best and being the greatest).
Nomnso Okeke many defensive players say Brady was smarter than Peyton and knew their weaknesses/exploited them better than 18. I agree with you on the most part, but just thought I'd say that. The thing about Peyton is he spent a million seconds pre snap doing dummy calls & people take that as being supremely intelligent, as if Brady didn't do the same exact thing in his career. He just wasn't as animated. Not to mention how Peyton stole every single thing he did directly from the Patriots lol
You can hate Brady and the patriots all you want cause if I wasn't a fan of them I'd probably hate them too but if you can't just admit Brady's the goat your just stubborn and ignorant at this point
Wow. I haven't heard Rich Eisen do a monologue like this in a long time. And I totally agree with all of his points--I make similar points about Brady's greatness. And yet I am struck by how uncharismatic Eisen is here. I was bored through half of this rant, and he was describing one of the iconic moments in sports history that had just happened hours earlier. Patrick is better at this, Cowherd is better at this, even Mike and Mike are better and they're pretty terrible. Eisen simultaneously sounds like he is trying too hard and also like he is not nearly emotional enough. Also, just saying, but yes, Garoppolo would have done just about as good a job in the first 38 minutes as Brady did. He only put up 3 points. Those people making those comments at halftime didn't have crystal balls to look 2 hours into the future.
@@The_king567 do I need to say it slower and louder! Tom Brady's the greatest football player that ever played the game of football. Yep! Who do you think is the greatest player!
@@snydmark nope he’s not the Greatest football player ever he’s the greatest quarterback ever not player if you think he’s the greatest player ever you’re pretty stupid the greatest nfl player of all time is clearly Jim brown because he did more than just play football that’s a fact tom doesn’t do that and can’t.
The fact Brady did all this and owns a historically great franchise such as the Steelers and the amount of times he beat Peyton Manning makes brady the goat also
and here we are 6 years later and he has 3 more Super Bowl appearances and 7 Rings and finally retired, well deserved grazing fields for the GOAT. NFL should waive waiting period for HOF.
Lawrence Taylor is the greatest football player of all time. He literally, changed the game Joe Montana's offense wouldn't even exist without Taylor revolutionising the game. LT's the best.
It's good Brady is finally getting the recognition nationally. But I still think he'll come out this year firing on all cylinders at 40 years old. There's no indication of him losing it just yet. Even after missing 4 games, he was 28 TD and 2 INT with a 67.4% Completion. You can't say he's regressing, not at all. There is absolutely no argument about that shit. Those are great numbers.
On a Side note, when he talks about Jim Brown as a GOAT Running Back thats fine, but what about Barry Sanders ?? To mention E. Smith second, but Barry gets my Vote!
Only to unthinking sports fans and unthinking news media people who fail to do in-depth analysis of the underlying reasons why it only APPEARS that Brady is the GOAT QB and fail to go beyond the totally misleading, overly-simplistic stats of Brady having 5 SB titles and 7 SB appearances and the most SB TD passes of any SB QB is Brady the GOAT QB.
Montana was perfect in the Superbowl no doubt but greatness is not perfection. Greatness to me is overcome any adversities that are thrown at you. Tom Brady imperfections are the same things that make him the GOAT. What Brady had to overcome in the course of his career is mind blowing. Even in the Superbowl that pick six Brady had to overcome his mistakes. Montana won the Superbowls when he was perfect, when he wasn't he didn't get there... No QB can overcome his own limitions or mistakes like Brady
But if he did win next year and were to retire, his crazy would that be? He started his career with 3 out of 4 super bowl wins and then would end his career with 3 out of 4 Super Bowl wins.
I think emitt smith actually said Walter Payton was the greatest running back ever on Walter Payton's football life, other than that everything in this video was spot on
lets see joe montana go into a superbowl down 25 without his best playmaker and make a comback not only did brady snatch the comeback kid title from montana he snatched the goat title, well actually he already had that title two years ago
