“You'd think that the big heavy square stock would be really uncomfortable. But, it's actually not any more uncomfortable than any other part of this thing.” A ringing endorsement!
My great grandfather also fought on the Philippines with the Guerrillas. He and his Filipina wife, my great grandmother, fought the Japanese. He left the family a chrysanthemum marked proper imperial Katana, and its wild to think he more than likely took a man’s life for that sword, and brought it home.
@@chrisweyers4764 you heard the story about the US pilot who downed a Zero with a .45 while hanging from his parachute? Played dead and plane banked slowly around him only a few yards away - he figured to check he was dead - and he just pulled his pistol and blasted away - plane banked away and flew into the ground.
@@5hiftyL1v3a I heard of it, but the story is suspect at best. While not improbable there’s no clear cut evidence to prove as such, like the Greyhound that supposedly killed a Tiger.
I dunno, give me a few months and I might be able to handle a bow and arrow more efficiently than that thing. Oof, now I REALLY want to try slinging some arrows... damn you, Kingdom Come: Deliverance! You glorious game you...
And this is why “ghost guns” will always be available. Pipe, wood, shotgun shells. year 10 at school in machine shop .22lr pen guns were in mass production.
@@mostlypeacefulguntraining You can try. You need a foundry to make reliable ammunition from scratch. Brass doesn't just mold itself. It is really not that difficult to control the flow of ammunition, easier than the guns themselves. You don't see a lot of black market ammo, despite regular ammo being pretty expensive.
@@esbenm6544 because theres no need for it. if it were survival, thats very different. you make a zip musket to take down your target. They made firearms in the 1500s, Im pretty sure I could fashion something to survive with modern tools. i dont need a .22 casing, what arent you understanding?
Wish Ian wouldve tried using the safety when he tilted it forward. Honestly what I thought wouldve fixed the "jam". Edit: the whole time he kept shaking it upside down I had my hand over my mouth while I laughed that he couldn't figure it out til later.
@@andrewallason4530 Just imagine the balls those guys had to wield these against men with real weapons. I know we're kinda joking here, but Alzheimer's? We're talking about war veterans, here. Men whose generation have almost entirely left us. This also goes for the other cynics on this thread.
@Google Ghey I had a nice walnut log that I tried to turn into grip panels for a pistol. I wasn't up to the job. It was a very nice piece of wood though. It was large enough to be used for rifle or shotgun furniture. Unfortunately I don't have it anymore.
I think it would me more popular if it was advertised as "survivalist", "prepper" shotgun sold as kit to assembly. Like something you don't buy to use but to keep in your basement just in case.
The Catch-22 of this is that any survivalist/prepper type knows a box of shotshells and a trip to Home Depot is all you need. So then you're stuck selling "professionally made" slam-bangs to the kind of dudes who buy pot-metal ZOMBIE RESCUE knives off of AliExpress and have their entire "bug-out kit" made by Condor. Not a real sustainable business model.
If you're "preparing" you would just buy an actual shotgun. This is something you'd make when you don't have a proper weapon and have to create one from scrap. I mean why the fuck would you "prepare" to have a piece of shit as your weapon.
With the "stuck empty shell" issue, The trigger safety also acts as an extractor. Just point at the ground and pull the safety trigger. The lug moves out of the way and the shell falls free.
I have an incredibly strong suspicion that the anonymous firearms collector and Ian tried that before 30 minutes had passed. There was probably some case expansion that prevented gravity from allowing the case to fall free.
"This also helps ensure that the barrel doesn't fall out when you point the gun down." That's a sentence that I never thought I would hear without a bunch load of sarcasm
I love how reticent he was to admit he likes the 2x4" with a tube nailed into it compared with how obviously giddy he is to actually be shooting it. Went through all the shells. Ian's a good guy.
Ian tries the early version; "Yeah, I'm not really sure why I fired that second shot." Ian tries the later verdion; "So, can I just finish this box of ammo, yeah?"
I think it's ironic that one model had a front sight, but you had your hand wrapped around the barrel so you couldn't see the front sight. The other model had a foregrip, so you would have been able to see the sight when shooting, but it didn't have a front sight.
ya but i am sure trigger are essentials since the day they were moving saltpeter soaked burning ropes then flints until complex bolt and fire pin mechanism.
@@donpaterson4476 lotus was reliable in recent decades as they are just putting toyota engine inside small carbon fiber cabin, but today they would build evs and hybrids.
Ian reviews a shotgun that seems purposely made for accidental discharges and for people to shoot off their fingers. Engineers at Kel-Tec - Heavy Breathing
I made a version of this in high school that consisted of just the two tubes with the barrel tube being of aluminum. Proud to say that I still have all my fingers.
It reminds me about my great grandfather who was a corporal in Philippine Constabulary who use these kinds of emergency weapons thanks for sharing us about the gun who reminds me about my great grandfather thank you...
Yes, although they should have made at a 90’ angle, with a reversible barrel, so you can load the opposite end and shoot through the old shell, relatively fast cycle times are possible that way.
I'd imagine an unmentioned aspect, as the intention was primarily to arm guerillas, is that the second pattern barrel isn't obviously a barrel. I can imagine if one had to conceal the weapon, having such a nondescript piece of metal with few features opens up some new hiding spots. The rear is the part you'd need to conceal. The barrel could probably pass for a tool or something. Wedge a brush head into the bore maybe. In a guerilla campaign that would probably make it safer to the user.
"there's the lug from the trigger that trapped the shell" Me: "so pull the trigger and shake it" *frantically shakes the gun without pulling the trigger* Me: "no, hold down the trigger while doing it" "we will wait tomorrow to disassemble the gun" Me: "JUST PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER"
If the shell got stuck behind or on the internals for the safety then the trigger likely wouldn't work without something stuck into the case to grip and extract it.
The simpler shotgun out of the two is really a remarkable firearm, just watching Ian have fun firing it, and now I wish I had a slam-fire hillbilly gun of my own.
If the rim of the shell was the only thing catching, then pulling the "trigger" should have released the lip. It almost sounds like there was something else, though I can't see what, meaning either he couldn't do that or it didn't work. Ian said it was painful to pull/hold the "trigger", but the earlier shooting video showed him wearing gloves, so that shouldn't have been an issue.
To help again on the patent stuff: 1 - Patent Pending means that a Patent has been applied for. Patent Applications can take months or years to be evaluated. The first pass is almost always rejected. Approval normally requires 1 or more modifications to an application to make it conform to the reviewer's views. 2 - There are actually 2 kinds of patents: Utility Patents and Design Patents. We normally talk about Utility Patents that cover the function of a device, process, or system. Design Patents cover the look of an item. These are normally less useful than a Utility Patent, but there are cases where you might want to get one. An example might be (and I have not looked to see if any of these exist) patenting the look of a sneaker (we know there is a collector market in sneakers). 3 - The patents involved here might be much simpler than you think. If I look at the simpler version of the design, I note there is a "Thumb Screw Safety". How many other guns have you seen with one of those? Remember Patents depend on a 3 part test: Novelty, Utility, and Obviousness. Utility is the easiest to define: Is it possible in the real world (note that is why you can not get a patent on a perpetual motion machine). Novelty means that something has not been done before and by that normally this means a combination of items. This will be compared to the "prior art" or how things might have been done before. Obviousness is the toughest as it means "not obvious to one skilled in the art". That means would a gun designer think to put a thumb screw safety on a slam fire shotgun. This is a more opinion question than a fact based one.
My father had one. I remember seeing it in the attic of our house in the late 70s. My parents passed away and my siblings don't remember anything about it. Really sad that I never asked my father about it. It is probably still in that attic hidden under some insulation.
@@shawnr771 thats not the point or reliability...of you only need to use it one time, cool, but what if thst one time you need it, it has a 50% chance of fucking up?
A person would have to be reasonably close to use this weapon. They also have a 50/50 chance of missing. If they miss or it malfunctions the element of surprise is lost. So then it is a club. If someone was using something like this in war. They are already in a fairly grim situation and have made the decision in the face of the odds being against them to do something.
2 times I have watched a forgotten weapons video and come away thinking I could make something better in my garage, which is not a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
"It was at this time that GUN JESUS recalled the Days Of Old, and how the prophet Richardson came upon the Philippine Guerrilla Shotgun during his time of wandering in the jungle."
"Three-gun match, here I come" Imagine being a regular at Ian's range, signing up for those competitions and then seeing what weird shit Gun Jesus rolls up with every time :D.
I have a Rexio single-shot pistol in .410/.45 Long Colt (with either smooth or rifled screw in chokes!) A Remington Model-14 pump action rifle in .32 Remington, and a Hungarian PJK9HP 9mm High-Power knock off that is really sensitive to ammunition. (I hear a new extractor spring solves the problem.) He may have weirder stuff but I could do a weird 3-gun too. (Granted, .32 Remington is not easy to source these days, and if there are arguments about the pistol shotgun I can just as easily bring my Winchester Model 50 semi-auto.) Alternately, I have a faked but excellent condition Australian SMLE Jungle Carbine, a shaved Webley MKVI, and a Stevens take-down 520 pump.
The interesting thing about the simple version appears to be that reloading and firing multiple rounds appears as though it could be done fairly quickly once one became proficient. Perhaps faster than many more complicated single shot, shotguns.
There's plenty more tricks you can pull with a real break action that make that an impossibility haha. Not a chance, I can keep the shotgun shouldered, click a button and open the gun and eject the shell and slide the next one from my hand (that can hold 3 or 4 shells) in 1 second. That's 4 or 5 separate motions with the slamfire, and reloading is gonna be a whole other fiasco being as you really need to hold on for dear life with both hands to fire lmao
Right? I wish the pipe weapons had more attention in that game. The designs are kind of wacky and the usage sup par to a 10mm, the first gun you get. Imagine if this was just the pipe gun precursor to the double barrel or something.
I was looking for other Elbonian references, since I'd been beaten to it. Yours has an excellent original twist. Yes, these would conceal well under a suit jacket.
@@donjones4719 rather, it’s based on the idea Elbonia is constantly broke and the best weapon they could source for government bodyguards to carry is a cork & string rifle crossed with a potato gun
Whould`ve been the proper reaction anyway...instead Jesus(with all respect.to his work.I`m a HUGE fan)goes "Ah. Theres a little log..."and doesn`t even try or mantion...Kind of made my day...How many IAN`s does it take to screw a lightbulb...eh...get a case out of..... :o)
Your jokes, when you make them are often kind of sedate. When I listen to you say, standing there with half a gun in one hand, shaking the other half, that "this is a problem when you're fighting the Japanese," I can see you're going a different direction. I love this channel.
This kinda weapon is usually called "tussari" in finnish, many variations all very unsafe to shoot. Been there done that, never again, still have all fingers and both eyes...
That's funny, because I've made one of these out of pipe fittings and put dozens of rounds through it, hasn't even shown the slightest signs of weakening or breaking. Must have just been a poor gunsmith who made it.
Mark Serbu has a video on his channel about how to properly make a slamfire and goes into great detail about why waterpipe isn't the best choice. I suggest downloading it using 3rd party youtube download services before censorship takes it down.
For the version with a trigger I think it can actually be used as a trigger by applying backwards pressure to the barrel (so you're essentially trying to squeeze the two parts of the gun together), and then while doing that you pull the trigger.
Thank you for this! Very interesting! I lived on Mindanao in ‘90/‘91 on assignment with an NGO; my “culture broker”/bodyguard was a former Muslim who had since converted to Christianity, and had fought alongside the “illaga” during the troubles in North Cotabato in the ‘70s. He said they (the Illaga) used those guns, or versions of them. They packed their own rounds; he said they packed them with glass, because it was a) cheap, b) field expedient and c) “you don’t die in the shot,” he said, grinning wide, “you die in the operation.” Daghan salamat! 🙏🏻
Very similar Slam Fire weapons, even in other caliber, were shown with plans in an old US Army Training Manual I used to have, TM 31-210 "Improvised Munitions Handbook." It even explained with illustrations how to make gun powder.
I saw one of these a long time ago. At the time, I was told it was a home-made gun. Then I saw this presentation a couple years ago I think; I was shocked to see this weapon and to know it was actually sort of mass-produced.
The age old question: "What did I doing the army that I can commercialise?" Painting rocks (landscape designer) Sitting around talking shit (Radio DJ) Hurry up and wait (unemployed)
@@boomstick4054 Can confirm, they'll hire literally anybody to be a security guard these days...and then the same companies wonder why they have such a high turnover rate.
@@boomstick4054 I agree, did both myself as summer jobs back when I was still in college. Definitely found being a bouncer more enjoyable, though I will say I never actually had to deal with any fights (probably because it was in a better part of town and the bartender was very quick to cut people off when they started acting tipsy).
Goes to show that making guns isn't complicated or expensive, if you don't mind dropping luxury features like an ejector or spring for the firing pin. 😁
I have made a few of these types of shotguns. They are fun to make and really quite a novelty. Most are all metal but I made a double barrel side by side with a wooden stock. It still needs some finish work to smooth out the stock but should be a fun one too!
