@@jacobthompson3605 I think that's the opposite actually. Pipe weapons are terribly portrayed in FO4. For "Makeshift" and "Hand crafted" weapons, it sure is dumb that they all have the exact same receiver, have the same magazine on the side and accept the exact same .38 ammo. The whole point of homemade weapons is to make use of what's available to the maker. Did everyone in post-apocalypse Boston have access to the same rusted iron pipes, comically oversized screws and .38 ammo? Did everyone suddenly decide side-loading magazines are the way of the future? Why the fuck can they only accept .38 or, rarely, .45 at most? If your game portrays makeshift, homemade pipe weapons as things that come out of a factory production line, it's best not to have them on the first place.
Joel Filho but they do have variations to them It’s just that it’s very common to find pipe weapons that use 38. Bullets because that’s the most common type of ammo to find in the wasteland but there are some pipe weapons that you can find that have a different receiver and other modifications
Joel Filho there’s a guns and bullets magazine you can find called “street weapons of Detroit” and it shows a pipe pistol on the cover so someone who studied how Detroit gangsters built these guns built a couple and people went from there, breaking them apart to learn how to make them to adding their own modifications to them
Africa was where European gun makers used to dump there surplus stock of.outdated guns. It was also where captured nazi surplus guns were sent post war.
Just in case anyone's wondering, these weren't meant to be fired at range. These function much the same as a cattle gun would. The animal falls into a trap that has been set beforehand by poachers, and they come up and execute it at close range using the guns.
@@EvilElecBlanket I know, I know...just wanted to beat that particular dead horse one more time before the video drops and we all have to shut up about it. :D
@@Dawe360 well.. it's confiscated.. so perhaps he is still alive somewhere with a new ak47 for turning in his relic ? And probably he is smart enough to not target animals protected by armed animal protection crew?
Agreed! The Chinese mystery guns and the Southeast Asian Vietnam War era samples along with the "ghost guns" from Central and South America are intriguing as hell for some reason. I too, would like to see as much of that as possible....when possible.
Bill Holmes' designs definitely needs an analysis over them. His MP83 and .50 cal "Sniper" are often seen across the world. As a side note, the slam fire shotgun would make a good coverage due to its origins from the Filipino Resistance movement from WWII and its brief commercial sale during the post-war years in the US.
"They went super tactical on it" Hmm, yes, my breach loading, flintlock black powder rifle, most certainly tactical. Real talk though, the double grip is probably for better control and accuracy.
@@fifervonpiper6707 If you don't point the gun at the target you're never gonna hit. Even if you're rolling dice with the accuracy of your gun, which you are, you'll never hit what you didn't adequately aim at.
@@ZacharySkan (shrug) Okay. Didn't mean to seem angry in the first place. But of the two of us, which responded to a >possibly< critical comment by first comparing the other to a petty bully, then a mangy green trash-dwelling douche? And *then* typed a second post just to restate the insult? You can't really fling too big a stone at me. By the behavior standards of the 'Net, I'm actually a level-headed pussycat.
@@williamknopp6936 And by ATF definitions there were machineguns in Civilian hands two hundred years before the 2nd amendment was written, not to mention most cannon and warships were owned by private citizens, not governments, when America was founded. There has never been a single anti-2nd-ammebdment argument or law that has any basis in Reality whatsoever. :/
I’m actually quite impressed, yes there made of junk and far from perfect, however precisely because there made of junk is what makes them so impressive.
They're a perfect example of human ingenuity. They were probably made with little more than a hammer, a drill and a hacksaw. Sure they're junk, but they obviously work. Imagine what those guys would be building if they had proper tools, techniques and materials...
@@devo3243 you should look into where some of the illegal manufactured firearms come from. there's some great reporting of 1911 being made with hand tools in the jungle. Except for the complete lack of makers marks you would swear they came out of a factory.
Definitely not garbage. Like it or not, they are historically significant to some degree and very well may be featured in an exhibit sometime in the future.
Yep. And still, given they had probably at most some weaponry to "look at" as plans....truly amazing what they cobbled together...and that it didnt explode.
I think considering the circumstances and materials these guns are quite impressive. That krink was an embarrassment Bc someone did that to a parts kit
I worked with the Kenyan military in the mid-90's. The Kenyan Wildlife Services rangers allowed me to tour their "evidence room" where guns, cartridges, hides, ivory tusks, and other items were stored that had been confiscated from poachers. A very interesting tour.
Should be appalled by the horrible inequality of this world, I don`t feel we can judge people who have to gather powder from the mine they work on for killing animals for more money.
It sort of reminds me of people in former French Indo-china colonies who salvage active landmines for scrap metal to sell. Both have that, "I gotta do something to put food on my table, even if its dangerous or illegal or both." Its tragic.
I know right! I feel like this guy is making fun of their designs in a way, but it’s not like they have the resources to build something more complex. Imagine seeing one of those guys out there with like a semi-automatic rifle that looks like one of these. Also, the guns kind of remind me of fallout 4 😂
You guys look at continent of Africa as if its entirety remained in the 18th century. There are plenty of places with broadband internet connection. The continent is practically littered with internet/cyber cafés. The smartphone is widespread throughout the continent. In many places, owning a smartphone is a thing of complete commonplace, even in tribes way out in the bush. Long story short, wikipedia and google is accessible to a vast number of people, its not north korea.
@@burdenonsociety1968 Yet no shortage of poachers, whilst animals get extinct all the time. I'd say the guns work for their purpose more often than not.
Look up 'armstrong's mixture' on RU-vid. It's made using matches and is incredible powerful. It's not widely used because it's impact sensitive and can explode when it's not meant to.
In all fairness, the Afghans have had a lot more practice in manufacturing. I wouldn't even want to lash these things to a tire and remote fire. Look like damn pipe bombs.......
@@richard1165 Pipe Bombs are probably safer to handle, though. Still, it's the user. If you built it yourself, or personally know and are possibly related to the manufacturer, you'll know it well enough, and so it comes down to how much powder you fill in. I'd personally prefer a crossbow, but to each their own.
@carl chaze He never said it was in Afghanistan, he was talking about native Afghans who have traditionally lived in the pass for centuries. Although the pass is in modern day Pakistan, Afghan tribes have controlled it for much of history.
@Na tu Realistically we're probably talking about poaching elephants and rhinos so no, they really dont need the animals to be intact. They take the parts that people buy and leave the rest of the animal to just rot there.
Are you joking? Im not! I LOVE this kind of content! Id like to import this kind of crap and sell it off as curiosity firearms. Every store in America could, should, probably would buy at least one to keep on the wall. Im sure buy for $3@ in bulk and ship 10,000 into USA. Sell for $35@ to stores who could charge whatever. . .$320,000 profit on investment of $30K. Not a farfetched idea.
@Nathan Brown Hell Yeah... making a SLAM FIRE shotgun is actually pretty damn easy.. I wouldn't recommend doing it with a 12G until you get the complete idea of what you need to do to make sure your not going to get hurt like making little cuts so that much pressure can escape safely but start off with the 410 and work your way up you'll be surprised at how well it works.. Look at videos online and YT on DIY SlamFire ShotGun..
@Nathan Brown Ahh dont feel too bad there's plenty of people who live in big cities like The Rotten Apple aka NYC, or Washington DC., and even LA who never really get the chance to enjoy 1/10th of all this cool crap you see here on Bube Tube.. the laws are very confusing on purpose and can be completely different from state to state or even city to state (NYC to NYS. Is so ridiculously different in laws that you can end up in jail for leaving a town somewhere 45mins upstate New York with your CCW pistol and coming in to NYC with it) makes no sense but they do it...
It's pretty mind blowing how those poachers are in a situation where they have so little chance of getting hold of a real gun that you'd be better off using one of these. Also kinda sad how desperate you have to be to go through all this and the other myriad of issues that come with being a poacher to get out of poverty.
@@0IIIIII if anything this is a huge arguement against gun control, while i don't think poaching is in any way good and it's incredibly destructive gun control in this situation just helps keep people in poverty to the point where they are forced to cobble shit like this gun together just to make ends meet. if the political power spent on gun control in zimbabwe had been spent on actually improving people's lives so they don't NEED to poach to get by these makeshift arms would never exist.
@@cageybee7221so you agree Gun control is effective because in your words you say it keeps guns out of criminals’ hands, except for bad ones like this?
In the Old Country Palestine my father and his friends used to make muzzleloaders from truck steering wheel pipes , steering link between steering wheel and the gearbox in the old vehicles was 3/4 of an inch steel pipe .
My grandfather was a cop in Rhodesia back in the day and confiscated what I believe is an Enfield musket. He had it converted to a lamp stand and still has it to this day.
@Leon Delalić A. I said it was close to being racist, not that it was racist. B. It is kinda reinforcing the stereotype of all Africans being somehow "primitive", or "tribalistic" in nature, which in spite of supposed accuracy, is still racist.
@Leon Delalić because of the connotations of depicting native africans as spear-wielding tribals. "spear-chucker" being a particularly common slur for quite some time historically.
@@cheskotokarev Don't you think calling him out is a subtle admission that you hold the exact same perception that you're claiming is derogatory? Like, what's wrong with using spears? Nothing. It's not that deep. No one said anything bad about spears or spear users
I just laughed so hard because I used get gunpowder from match heads and safety fuse as a kid when I made guns. Luckily I never got hurt but I would never reccomend it to any of you guys.
The last one (the blown up one) is from a Belgian rifle, probably obtained from Mozambique. I imagine it used some nitro powder out of a shotgun cartridge. The others are like West African 'Dane guns'. Car steering columns for barrels. Traditionally Morris Minor steering columns. Morris once sent out a rep to find out why West Africa was needing so many spare steering columns. Made from good seamless steel tubing. People laugh at such things (and I wouldn't fire one ever) but how good a gun could you make in your garage with just a hacksaw, hammer, file and a simple forge fire? I respect the makers even as I fear to use the resultant firearm.
"but how good a gun could you make in your garage with just a hacksaw, hammer, file and a simple forge fire" You're looking at it - 16th and 17th century "crude" firearms; the quality of tools and materials necessarily dictates the type of firearm you can produce. These guys are (mostly) making muzzle-loading, percussion-fired weapons because that's as advanced (mostly) as these people produce with the crude and rough equipment and materials they have with which to produce them :) The other part of the equation is general education - most poachers that are in the field are from places with incredibly abysmal literacy rates and virtually no access to decent education of any sort, so their grasp on principles such as physics and mechanics are a little... tenuous. Some of the poachers who've worked other trades, e.d. miners or other heavy industry-type work, will often apply whatever limited scope of experience they have to the weapons they have to craft, which is why a lot of them tend to produce percussion-fired muzzle-loading weapons rather than other solutions that could use less resources (e.g. wood or paper cartridges, locking breaches, etc).
Africa is a pretty varied place, in terms of development. There's plenty of developed areas, mostly the cities, which would have hardware stores, but if you live there, you probably don't need to do that to get a gun anyways. The people who are too poor to buy new weapons are probably also too poor to get decent parts as well, unfortunately.
@@fuckerupper5800 You mind telling me what's wrong with that statement? I never said African nations are paradises, in fact most nations in Sub-Saharan are unevenly developed; Botswana and Angola have massive wealth and poverty gaps despite their development, but there are large urban areas nonetheless.
@@Thoroughly_Wet Another benefit was that slugthrower projectiles can't be deflected back at the firer by say a lightsaber. Plus blasters made it fairly obvious what direction the fire was coming from.
@@BDNeon "Tracers work both ways," after all. Reminds me of how the sniper rifles in old Battlefront 2 had much shorter projectile effects to make it harder to see where they came from.
@@grarglejobber7941 "probably like 95" How scholarly of you. I'm 100% sure it was closer to 64 than anything else. The reasons why peasants didn't commit crimes was because 1.) they couldn't leave their master's land and 2.) their masters had swords, horses, and armor, while they had pitchforks. That's why there wasn't any crime until education rolled around, when the reasons changed and people learned morals and the importance of society. The situation in Africa is what happens when colonial nations abandon their colonies in an unorganized haste. Look at the Middle East; same story, different place.
@@grarglejobber7941 Yes, I know that education improves IQ. I'm just curious as to what point you're exactly trying to prove; education is lacking in Africa because of mainly poor government education subsidies, among other factors, most notably the absence of rule of law. If education in Africa was brought up to European standards, the average IQ in Africa would be very similar if not identical to the European average. Rule of law is still not present (and was not introduced by colonial powers) in many African countries, which explains most of the problems there. I'm not saying anyone is racist, I'm just stating the fact that the governments of Britain and France should have put a lot more thought into the decolonization process.
@Pub Thumpin These weapons remind me of the weapons you build on the game Dead Island. Find some blue prints and get to work building your zombie killing weapons.
We must also consider that these weapons were not fabricated in a formal workshop…but probably under a tree in the shade on the weekends. Possibly no vice with just a hammer and one file. In rural Africa there is no electricity so any drill would be a hand cranked wheelie!! The ingenuity is quite astonishing.
@@spartan1010101 if they were super-simple (like muzzle and breech loading single-shots and double-barrels with the odd open-bolt STEN-type gun thrown in for flavor, it'd actually make a bit of sense: people who make wheels, usually make them round after all.
I liked to imagine that the f4 pipe guns were made by a single guy are a group of people. Perhaps some settlement in the commonwealth had access to some prewar gun manufacturing manuals so they started mass producing the pipeguns and sellling them in large batches
So you watch the first part and think, "Hey they modded a percussion gun." And then you go "No they didn't, they made one from scratch !!!" Certainly beats the British Officer who came across a rare flintlock rifle (can't remember which) in amazingly good condition in the hands of a local hunter in Borneo, he traded it for a modern rifle and both must have been convinced they had the better deal.
@@DKrumpp I must have read about it about 30+ years ago don't remember the title though, the officer served during the Malayan Crisis and then continued to serve in Borneo until it became independent in 1963. IIRC he was doing security work with the locals and found a hunter whose family must have acquired it somewhere in the 19th century and somehow managed to keep it in good condition right up until the 1960's. Maybe that helps to track it down.
Ah yeah my grandpa (we are dayak, native to borneo) used to have flintlock gun in almost mint condition (ilegal obviously). Sadly my uncle sold it when my grandpa pass away.
4:48 notice that when he moves the bolt back, the entire firing mechanism moves too, watch where the piece of metal lines up perfectly with the wood, near his right hand, it moves back a considerable amount!
Brilliant video! I have been on a team who apprehended Kenyan poachers and it is incredible to see the ingenuity behind their craft, even if it is evil and barbaric. (also they are usually poor folks trying to make ends meat forced into that type of lifestyle).
That's easily stealable. You always end up with scraps of it and you can easily take a 10cm piece of it and say that you did a control burn on it. I could have easily gotten some from the military days.
@@LachskoenigIV the UN forced the white minority government Rhodesia to submit to the Black majority revolutionary movement and then the country was named Zimbabwe. Biggest mistake ever.
@@Thx1138sober "Zimbabwe pretty much is a post-apocalyptic world. In 1979 it was the most modern, wealthy and productive country in Africa." No it was not...
Dave Newton Presumably then, you would prefer to use these over the L85A1? If so, then you're an idiot, if not you're just blowing hot air and don't really know what you're talking about.
Frank Anderson Look I believe that the Sa80 is the best assault rifle that fires a 5.56 and is also the best bullpup ever made as well. But deep down we all know that the L85a1 is absolute shit and that you should never use it
Whilst in Zimbabwe, our hunting group came upon two, local young guys that the local tribe or clan had retained to halt poaching. This was in 2012 and after the most high and Exalted Great Elephant Robert Mugabwe had instituted his chaotic and disruptive land reform policy. But I digress, to a point. The locals wanted to have game available for out-of-country hunters such as myself to generate revenue and meat for the local community. These two young guys had rifles that were either nailed or wired together. The thought of touching off a round in one of those rifles was a scary prospect. The young game “wardens” were the most pleasant and polite young men. Fond memories of the land and people in Zimbabwe.
The reason why majority of people can't make a gun is because almost all governments don't want us to know that we can make our own guns at home, as it challenges their authority and it nullifies the point of gun control.
@@tigermafiaug1615 Because the animators thought it'd look cooler. Thats the reason why for most games. A few exceptions are Counter Strike where a dev was left handed and made every gun right handed being shot by a leftie which was then mirrored, and some Die Hard game since the main character is left handed.
Quite often crop fertilizer is used over and above explosive fuse. Loaded with bearings cut up to retrieve the balls, normally 6305, 6304 used in Changfa engines imported from China and serviced out regularly. I have seen 50 inch Kudu, leopard, hippo, crocodiles and a large range of smaller antelope taken with instruments just like these. Safari outfitters here confiscate literally dozens of these items a year on each concession.
unironically i have more confidence in reliably firing and hitting things with these guns than I do the Zip which probably will fail to fire off even one round before jamming, these at least shoot. Not straight mind you but vaguely at whatever you're pointed at.
In the 1970 s in the rhodesia (now zimbabwe) we found many muzzle loaders from the 1800s that were used as trade guns by the early hunters and explorers to barter with the local tribes for goats etc😊
It's literally a pipe, banded into wood, with a spring in it. All things considered, the fact that it's clear that the prior owner actually used and didn't kill or seriously maim himself is ludicrously impressive stuff. Is it well made? Oh lord no, I think I made macaroni art in 5th grade that had better durability than that, but gawddamn you gotta admire the the ingenuinity to cobble together a 'working' fire arm out of a kitchen cabinet, a suspension spring, and a pipe.
I’ve never even thought about it but it totally make sense that these guys wouldn’t have access to quality firearms or even professionally made ones. Fascinating video!
@@pirobot668beta somali pirates are pirates because it's profitable. the practice started with fishermen trying to protect their waters from foreign ships. then they realised that they made more money from ransoming sailors than from fishing.
@@pirobot668beta Britain bungled Somalia's transition to independence. The US and Russia used Somalia as a Cold War Proxy conflict and flooded it with weapons while inciting violence. As usual the US left without fixing, after creating instability themselves. There was a brutal Civil War and in a power vacuum in a country full of weapons the most domineering/violent philosophy took over, aka Islamic extremists. Now they're heading towards a normal government (maybe) and piracy is decreasing due to enforcement. I don't blame them for piracy. Foreign countries did nothing but wreck their homeland. As for who's bankrolling them... They're pirates dude
@Succ my T0ES Hmmm, being in a civil war, power vacuum. Lot's of guns and violence and atrocities being committed. Governments across the world turning you away when you plead for help, ask for a safer place to live. If you even manage to leave the country. Survival instinct kicks in eventually. I think if you or I got desperate enough to life and eat, we'd do some pretty savage things too. I had to survive IRL at points in my early life, it was brutal. I'd have killed if that was what it took. Fuck, I just enjoyed playing DOOM. Running around like a maniac, Rip and Tear. Enjoying the power fantasy and _some_ of that feeling of surviving. Cause it is still part of human nature. And if you think that people in power don't know that they are causing these things. Then I'd advise you to go read around on wikileaks.
It would be really cool if you could get ahold of some one with a slow motion camera and SAFELY fired a round through the shotgun just to check pattern/accuracy and how much that stiff spring actually holds the shell in place.
And those are not that horrible of the design really. Sure that build quality is scetchy at best, but over all design is not bad given tooling they had.
I myself am from South Africa, poaching here is a serious problem to the point where our rhinos are going extinct. Just glad to see some of the guns blow up hopefully taking the user with them
The fewer ghouls the better. They just keep breeding though, which offsets the amount of deaths from sheer stupidity and literal retardation. Lmao @ 68 average IQ
@Stale Bagelz Poaching can be a very lucrative activity, and in many cases is run by gangs of criminals and/or actual warlords. Much like drug dealers in the U.S.(or anywhere), some are "just trying to survive" but many are lured to the lifestyle of fast money and quick thrills. Sometimes criminal behavior is the result of a personality disorder like sociopathy, and there is no remorse or concern for other living things. I'm out of work right now with this corona virus thing, and since you're such a bleeding-heart would it be okay in your eyes for me to break into your house for stuff to sell to a pawn shop to put food on my family's table?
This reminded me of the rubber guns we made as kids and we use some scrap wood and some other stuff to make it, we used to get splinters every time we use them. This one friend of mineback then found a huge bamboo log and decided to make a "Sniper" Rubber Gun, surprisingly he found a rubber band that can even fit there without breaking. And damn it hurts soo bad.