I think Alan Watts put it succinctly when he said: "Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..."
Diamond Mind thanks for sharing this valuable information, I’ve seen many lectures from sir Alan but not one about the psychedelics. All great and useful information to behold.
@Abserd O, most people are experienced enough to interpret what is happening or what they are seeing during a psychedelic experience. Most people would require a guide to help with interpretation?
Yes but psychedelics are not just one giant message. You can’t just sit down and download the entirety of the psychedelic knowledge in just one trip. I still take psychedelics because I am still learning from them. They are still teaching me.
@@boxshreeg1079, ayahuasca can be a 1 time deal. I am doing the same as you with psilocybin. Learning all the time. But I believe a real ayahuasca trip can change a persons life instantly for the better
Psychedelics are not just one giant message. You can’t just sit down and download the entirety of the psychedelic knowledge in just one trip. I still take psychedelics because I am still learning from them. They are still teaching me.
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I have tremendous respect for Professor Strassman. Years ago I underwent psychotherapy at the Berkeley Hypnotherapy Center. Much of the benefit of those sessions came from the voice of my therapist -- he was soft-spoken and he communicated wisdom in a patient and caring manner. This was an important in establishing trust. Professor Strassman has that same kind of voice. I would not hesitate to be part of any DMT research, as a clinical subject under his supervision.
Terence Mckenna gave Tibetan Buddhist monks DMT and they confirmed that it brought them to a similar "bardo" state, or immaterial realm that we fall into between reincarnations. When it comes to spirituality they are both equal, everything you do is a spiritual path as we are naturally spiritual beings having a human experience. As long as we are loving, sharing, compassionate and thankfull we are doing good for all existence and good for ourselves.
The Tibetan said it was the " lesser lights" pretty interesting stuff as Terence would say it took 5 minutes to achieve what took a monk 45-50 years of fasting and meditation.
@Buddhist lol such claims nobody's claiming anything this is fact. But considering what you've said I can tell you don't have any experience with dmt or any psychadelics so your opinion is worthless.
Lesser lights is usually the beginning of the dmt flash or death itself dream/ meditation state of mind its literally just flashing lights of all sorts of impossible shapes sizes and colors and this is just the beginning.
I am doin microdosing acid since 2 months with some advances buddhism meditation and heart rate variablity training. I have the deepest states since this practice in my 20 years of meditations
Pure meditation is like finding a way to walk through your inner gates. Very healthy but drawn out. The psychedelic path is kinda like blowing down the gates with a cannon. Can be very dangerous if one hasn't faced serious turmoil or done copious amounts of spiritual study.
+Skeeter Knott Meditation can excel you in your life! Psychedelics only give you a glimpse and have lots of disadvantages! Drugs can be used to initiate a human being but it will require meditation to complete the full journey! Psychedelics are just a peek and then you come down. With lots of meditation practice, you have the key to enter into any dimensions anytime whether you are dead or alive - that is often referred to as enlightenment. I would not say that DMT drug experience is an enlightenment experience. It is just a short experience which can motivate you to choose the spiritual path.You need to lay the proper foundations, without it, the psychedelic building will come down pretty fast. Any kinds of drugs are not good but they can be helpful in terms of initiation towards spirituality.
+siddha banda I would love to know how to start the systematic approach to having these experiences with or without the spirit molecule in a way that is planned out and doesn't require a specific amount of time, my whole life is worth finding out what could be answered and finding ways of perceiving everything if multiple & various ways. Learning, coping, & living in itself.
When I wrote this I was lost. I guarantee you the onl true way is in Christ. All meditation and psychedelic drugs lead you too is spiritual turmoil. The truth is that we are the creation of God, and are his children. He loves us, but due to our sinful and evil nature(caused by The Fall) we are derserving of righteous judgement. That is wherre Jesus Christ comes in. His blood washes away our sin. The Holy Spirit come into you when you accept Christ. YOu begin to realize the true meaning of life and purpose to existence. It's a lot simpler than you think actually. IT's actually so simple that a child can easil grasp it. Yet so complicated that men can spend their whole lives studying it. The only peace to be had is the peace given to us by Jesus Christ. The only knowledge and wisdom to be gained is the knowledge and wisdom of Christ. I urge you to get a King James Bible and start reading. True understanding starts there. Have a wonderful day and God Bless brotha.
Christian? really? I'm not into fairy tales no offense. I've accepted Christ and done more research than the average American would and have come to terms that its good to have faith in something. I need that something to actually exist and the bible is not true I own many versions, everyone false. "God" never impregnated a virgin. Glad you have your higher power in reality though, never will it be mine..
Yes, it is. I was ordained for 2 years in Thailand at a place where we considered perhaps brewing mushroom tea during some future meditation retreat. Never came to pass, but it was interesting to be around folks monks that would consider it. I've often thought of ordaining again. Unfortunately, conservatism is usually overwhelming. Not that I think entheogens are necessary, but can be a help. And in such an environment....the potential for benefit is...High.
I showed my grandpa and he said "these people are just druggies! What they are doing is unnatural!" And I said "DMT is already in your brain. Are dreams unnatural? Are near death experiences unnatural? He just kind of sat there bewildered.
Try to see the dream or try to stop the dream is not a goal of Meditation, it is very simple just wake up and open the eyes of compassion and wisdom to realize the reality and become free from Ego, when we sleep we see dream as a reality, but when we wake up we See reality is just a dream this is the goal of Meditation positive behaviour, every body don,t need to be doctor but all can be healthy this is different of drug and Meditation
i have taken lsd in my teens. around 5yrs later started training kungfu with meditation and chi gung. i focused and work very hard, but never truly expected to have the experience i had at age 22. it was not the same as lsd, but may have been a pineal release. the changes to my mind were much stronger and more coherent in purpose while still being much more than i could have prepared for or knew what to do with. it was an instant spurring in my lifes meditation practice. lsd did not come close
They need to record their interviews at a much higher volume, I could barely make out a word he was saying and I have my volume on my new laptop on the highest settings.
Like all things drugs are empty of self nature, and as you say monks realise this. Buddhism basics on emptiness isn't it. drugs alone are not the experience, the brain alone is not the experience, consciousness alone is not the experience, they are all empty of individual nature, hence our true self is the combination of all of these, whatever experience that may be, any conceptual time, any conceptual place. love life :)
Yes I understand what you are saying, I was wrong in saying the self is a combination, unfathomable is our nature, words are words. I have found recently in practice that I am both the pleasure and suffering, and to be at peace with both is the way, if we have to outline 'a way' that is aha, words words words. thank you for a pleasant reply
Buddhism basics would say that the view of the self being a combination of those things is a wrong-view, because those things combined is what creates our idea of being. Since this would be a conditioned phenomena, it is impermanent. Since it is impermanent, it is suffering and/or unsatisfying. Since it is suffering, it is not the self. "Just as when, with an assemblage of parts, there's the word 'chariot', even so when the aggregates are present, there's the convention of 'living being.'" JM2¢
The reason why monks don't take psychedelics (as monks) is because the psychedelic trip is so unreliable for insight. The senses are distorted, there's an overly pleasant feeling going through the body (sensual pleasure is the cause of desire), and the mind is going nuts. Meditating while sober is the most reliable way to insight, however slow it may be. It's better to have a clear, straight mind than a wild mind.
I think it is not so clear-cut. I think that psychedelics can possibly have an even more profound effect on people who have already done a great deal of stabilization and purification but have simply been unable to attain a breakthrough. There are so many meditators out there who have been working hard for ten or twenty years - or longer - and while much has changed, much stubbornly refuses to change, they have never had a breakthrough and they are getting tired and burned out. A careful psychedelic experience can provide the powerful insight that, having already laid the foundation, they can quickly integrate and continue practicing, rejuvenated. I have heard such stories as this - and it also happened with me.
I think a hit or try of psychedelics is not bad. It gives you experiences that you do not know of, I feel like after people take them, they would be more inclined to meditate in the future.
This is nonsense. People who take psychedelics for pleasure or fun are just flat-out misusing them. Just because a few people recklessly abuse/misuse a tool, that doesn't invalidate the importance and benefit of the tool itself. Psychedelics are not a hedonistic/recreational experience. In fact, they can even be quite jarring and unpleasantly intense at times. But when used properly, they almost always will provide the user with astonishingly deep and subtle insights into the nature of our reality. Psychedelics are what got me interested in meditation. I never gave any thought to meditation until I had a few life-changing psilocybin trips. Those experiences made me into a spiritual person, and clarified my vision in ways that I'm still benefiting from to this day.
DMT can be one of the most insightful experiences of a human being's life. It doesn't give you falsehoods or make your brain go loopy like LSD can but instead just takes you to another world where you are witness. You are completely lucid the entire trip.
read in comments that DMT and meditation is the same.... yeah right... saying DMT and meditation is the same is like saying doping and not doping is the same... 1 is a chemical substance which brings those results for a certain period of time and has many side effects, you are controlled by the substance and the more you take the more you fuck your body up, the other is a controlled state which you reached through personal effort and can have it any time you want without any side effects but only benefits, so not only is it not the same but it's the exact opposite spectrum... and i am not against drugs, i have taken drugs when i was young and as rick says here it was the very reason i entered a spiritual path so i can have those experiences without the need of external triggers, chemical and TOXIC external triggers which fuck up your body and melt away your brain the more you take them... so yes drugs can help to get a glimpse and open your eyes and motivate you, but that's it, it's just a preview of what someone can experience if they meditate long enough, and then go higher and higher coz as beautiful as a DMT experience is compared to what we can experience through our 5 senses in the physical realm, it just scratches the surface of what is possible, of what is out there... also, i never heard about terence giving a monk DMT but i watched dharam das' story where he gave his spiritual master MEGA doses of LSD and nothing happened coz advanced masters have full control over their body and mind, they can go into those states in a moment and back and control everything about it, by this showing how much superior it is to reach there and beyond through meditation but as in everything else in life people don't wanna put in the time, they want shortcuts, even though they know very well the dangers and side effects of it, but it's so damn sweet and fast that it's difficult to say no and go the hard way with years and years of trying to control and still the mind to be able to rise above physical body consciousness and have those experiences
@@Buddhist_Philosopher i don't think so, they all show that they are interested in spirituality coz of the names and descriptions they are using, but as so many people they don't wanna put in the time to get there on their own, instead they choose a quick trip to the other side and then continue with their mundane lives... and i don'rt blame them, it's very very difficult to get the same results through spiritual practice, and only a handful of people in this world have dedicated their lives to spirituality so much that they can have those kind of experiences through meditation, all the rest live out their lives not even realizing there is more to it then what the eyes can see.. but we all will go back, so everyone will eventually in some life choose spirituality when they are ready for it and tired of hunting physical desires...
@@ProTT_VR That's why I said "maturity". Psychodelic experiences can indeed give birth to spirituality but cannot take you to adulthood. Seems to me that Strassman got stucked in chilhood.
Is it known where Strassmann did his Zen Training?
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Oh, I can guarantee that psychedelics were the impetus for 90% of Buddhist practitioners becoming just that - Buddhist Practitioners. This is fact and I don't think most would have any problem admitting it. Buddhism is simply too difficult a practice to undertake it on a lark. I might be able to think of a handful who continued taking psychedelics infrequently after receiving vows, but not many. A lot of my practice was focused on trying to stabilize my mind from the hits it had taken from psychedelics. I sure as hell wasn't trying to rescramble it.
That's a *False statement* based on an anti-clerical prejudice, and the total ignorance of Buddhist practice. Monks are forbidden to consume substances that alter consciousness, and second, no psychoactive substance can liberate you from Samsara, much less enlighten you. It is a waste of time and a self-deception.
It's in the other way around. Monks matured as they progressed on the Buddhist path, trougj meditation,, and they no longer needed substances. Substances can give birth to spirituality but they cannot lead you to maturity. There are no pills to Enlightment. Strassman got stucked in childhood.
Rick...ive probably done dmt more than any man alive.......and I'm also a yogi....first of all you really should understand the monks are talking about transmission of more than title and custom....the sr monks knew quite well where they stood and it is arrogant for you to presume otherwise. Hear this....no substance taken can transmit the truth....because the truth is not physical. The truth of god and life and existence is within us....not psychedelics...yes psychedelics can help show us this....but only because we come from such a point of ignorance about our true nature. I have tried to speak with you through various channels....I tell you....you've yet to glimpse the truth of dmt....of its real power. But please remember it is us who make dmt.
Rick its so ironic..where you stand....I once stood....but neither of us stand anywhere in truth. You appear to be a man looking out at the universe....we remember this....as we now appear to be a universe looking at a man. You know us there but forget us here. You're searching soooo hard.....for yourself. You look at dmt as this great mystery while forgetting you are a dmt machine. Is that not the more miraculous. Dmt is a key Rick 🔑. But its not a key for science....its a key for you Rick.....but you have yet to turn it. Why.....because there is no science or scientific community to the truth.....and yet....the truth knows you intimately. Forget about the brain...focus on the spirit.....nearly all are lost in mental visions.....forget that nonsense....look past them...forget illusion...look to the formless....OPEN YOUR DAMM EYES....physically....come to me and ill show you.
Then, like , Buddha comes in and I`m like....wow! this is amazing, and I just get it, you know, It`s incredible, Buddha is ,like, tripping balls under the bodhi tree and I just get it, uh... yeah, uh....it`s like I`m right there in the Bardo and all the deities are in a stupa,man, looking awesome and saying, like, man, this is it! you know what I mean?
Even the Buddha himself had to sit for 49 days under the Bodhi tree to achieve Enlightenment. I bet the tree's huge root system harbour large concentrations on DMT that evaporated in inhaled under the scorching heat. Remember that tree roots contain the highest content of DMT. Heck, he may have burned some for heat and inhaled DMT!
Moses and the burning bush in the bible he was high on dmt he didn't see God he saw mother ayahuasca or some shit lmao but seriously Moses took dmt when they speak of that burning bush
Please don't insult Buddhists. The Buddha has specifically prohibited the use of intoxicants and psychedelics of any kind. We are trying to remove the illusion, not enhance it.
DMT is found naturally in the human body. The Bodhi Tree is an obvious eastern representation of the Tree of Life/World Tree motif. It's a symbolic image which is also synonymous with the human body as well as the mind and all of its multi-dimensional aspects.
Not at all. What happened is that the monks matured as they progressed on the Buddhist path, through zazen, and they no longer needed substances. Substances can give birth to spirituality, but they cannot lead you to maturity. Strassman got stucked in childhood.
Monks matured as they progressed on the Buddhist path, and they no longer needed substances. The *Buddha* never prescribed substances - on the contrary he forbade them - to attain Awakening, but a lot of personal work. On the contrary these people seem to believe that by drinking psychodelic substances they can gain a shortcut to success without years of mental training and effort. Psychodelic experiences can give birth to spirituality but they cannot lead you to maturity. Strassman got stucked in childhood.
+haaskaataikaasi It is not just about buddhists. With meditation, there are specifically many techniques to heal your body(broken bones,tissues etc.), go back to your past lives, go to other dimensions, leave your body when you want it, experience no pain at all, and many more! With dmt or other psychedelics drugs - there is nothing to show! Only you get a peek into something which is not even 1% what you experience in mediation! It is like showing kids a school park when there is a whole wonderland to explore!
Meditation can excel you in your life! Psychedelics only give you a glimpse and have lots of disadvantages! Drugs can be used to initiate a human being but it will require meditation to complete the full journey! Psychedelics are just a peek and then you come down. With lots of meditation practice, you have the key to enter into any dimensions anytime whether you are dead or alive - that is often referred to as enlightenment. I would not say that DMT drug experience is an enlightenment experience. It is just a short experience which can motivate you to choose the spiritual path.You need to lay the proper foundations, without it, the psychedelic building will come down pretty fast. Any kinds of drugs are not good but they can be helpful in terms of initiation towards spirituality.
Compared to where meditation can get you and where drugs can get you is like comparing bacteria to a full fledged bird. No matter what kind of experience you get on drugs - it will still be only a huge rock in the path of enlightenment! There were so many enlightened beings that came on earth - they wrote so many books - shared knowledge - created new languages - new spiritual methods -- left their body in an intense way. Some even announced their death years/months/before - have excellent control over their body, mind and soul. None of the drug people showed us anything of value. If you want to know the difference between meditation and drugs then please tell me is there any drug invented by human beings that can bring back the memory of your past lives - the answer is NO whereas with meditations there are techniques like jati smaran where you can once again live those past lives!
drugs don't get you to Enlightenment, but I believe they are a useful tool to reaching Enlightenment. the revelations you receive while tripping are very impactful on your life even if you never use them again.
Alfred Larsson I just wanted to give you an idea of what kind of things are possible with mediation. I am not saying it should be done. No one should remember their past lives otherwise they will go mad. I have had lot of tripping on mushrooms as well and i loved that except a few experiences which were not positive. The thing is that i know now for sure that drugs cannot be of anymore help to me because the experiences they give me is limited.
@Josh from Duncannon Indeed. Would have never thought about meditating or understood it's significance if I didn't have psychedelic experiences. While it may be true that psychedelics may not bring about the transformation that meditative practices can, it certainly is capable of giving you profound insights depending on how you use them.
