Bubba's issues mirror my new Andalusian. I have watched hours of your videos, and they have been invaluable in restarting his foundation. Watching the Bubba series is really helping me understand why I have to keep asserting my authority as his leader. After 50+ rides, it is getting much better. I love the challenge, but sometimes it is a bit exhausting. Then he gives me a pretty nice ride, and I realize he is making progress.
He’s sure got a bag of tricks that normal riders would be intimidated by. You staying on top of every resistance is awesome and key to keeping his brain occupied instead of allowing a fight. He’s a lot like a dominant mare😆.
Just from looking at him I think he’s a super athlete whose owner and trainers didn’t know that starting a horse is the mind, not the body. He’s a teenager! Lovely horse and his walk shows a lot of potential
He’s really coming along…seems like a brand new experience for him having someone who’s not going to give up and put him away after he pulls a few of his shenanigans.
He's worth some effort very good looking horse. Not seeing anything evil, just lots of green. He hasn't tried to buck or rear or get mad. Glad to see you "save" him.
so nice to see how he's starting to tune in, and how you are so aware of the next steps. That is what is missing for a lot of us amateurs and I can see how doing one step too long is bad for the horse and keeps the amateur stuck too. Thank you for saying the dominant horse can actually be a very good one too!
This is a beautiful horse. I'd like to see him in English tack. He looks like he's got a good ground-covering stride for cross country riding with some fences. I really like him. He'd keep a rider's mind busy, quite interactive.
Only started watching after seeing the first one of Bubba. I like the way u explain to viewer's each thing u do and why. I also like that u are explaining the mind of a young horse and how a bad start can sour them if done badly. Im impressed and as an owner of many years I'd like to say thankyou for an excellent watch. Regards from U.K.
This horse looks a lot like a 5 yr. Old OTTB that was gentle with me as I had not asked much of him. When I brought him to a woman/trainer to lope him out in a larger area than I have at home he was hard to keep moving and could not take his left lead, the first ride was uneventful. Unfortunately the second time was a disaster as he immediately bucked her off violently. She was not a professional and allowed him to quickly walk forward as she was mounting. I suspect he had pain issues. I will do more research before anyone rides my horses again. I admire your training program as it is custom fit to the individuals needs. 👍🙂
His behavior is typical for a horse that someone tried to pet them broke. I'd bet money that even if he is in pain and you correct the pain it will not correct the behavior.
This is my Cimarron dressed up as a plain bay. Thank you for naming and clarifying what I have been working thru on my own. It works so well to have a straight path.
Fantastic video Tim! The first bit riding him, he was definitely stiff and not untracking back legs. But once you got his mind and feet, he untracked well. For anyone who doesn't know the term untracking, it's when they cross one back leg over another when turning. I lead and turn horse on ground first until they untrack instead of stuttering around. Probably saved me a few buck offs.
He's still not engaged with you and has learned how to avoid the commands thru the bit. I wonder how he would respond to a bozal. Thanks Tim for taking us along on this journey with Bubba.
He did better than I thought he was going to after his first videos. Establishing your role as leader is making an impression though he's going to make you work for it. Great job showing the repetitive nature required for horsetraining!
You do an awesome job. I think your friends and clients should nickname you "Cartman " from South Park. His catch phrase was "Respect my authoratah!" 😂
I've watched the three videos of Bubba now, and he still looks so green to me. I wonder exactly what he's done under saddle. Did people just get on and ride a couple minutes, then put him away? Or from what is known, a couple people wouldn't even get on him. He'll be fine with you, but he'll need the right handler and rider in his future. :)
I’m guessing his previous owners were so intimidated by him they simply gave up out of fear. He’s a pretty clever horse…he’d be too much for me with all my experience…but would likely end up a really fun challenge for a confident and experienced equestrian.
He is sure not happy being told what to do, that swishing tail says a lot. Glad you are the one taking on this spoiled horse. I have to add that I like this horse, though. Also I like the black text better, too.
Thank you for your insights, which are fascinating. So much harder to understand a horse's psychology, that's the real battle. Seeing Bubba's attention span improve with your approach is so informative. Also, the black text is much easier to read. Thanks
When i was a kid, my mom and I were out and stopped to gas up the car. Afterwards it would not start. The front right tire was almost flat. Being like 9 years old, I called my dad to help and told him it wouldn't start because the tire was flat. That was when i learned correlation does not mean causation.
Magnificent training. Hope you spend time with people to be gifted as you are. Couldn't have done better. Like kids, takes time. Enjoyed your videos,sir
Wow! I see his mind working. He is getting better, but you really have to stay ahead of him. I get the turning, he needs to learn to give to you and he needs to be kept busy or he will find a way out and if he does you will be starting over again. Glad you took your spurs off, a horse like him will use them as an excuse to act up even if you use them correctly. Later after he is finally giving to the bit you can put them back on and teach him they are for cueing subtly.
Not sure if you read the comments, but I was given a horse who did the same things as Bubba, when did the small cricles as you are doing to get my horse's attention ( her name was Sue) other riders told me I was being scared of her. She never bucked with me, but she pulled just like Bubba. Like you I did everything slow but strong. I did pretty good Sue ended up the show horse for my children. I so enjoy your videos.i learn with everyone. Thank you sir
It was very nice when after you put the bit in and you were picking things up, he showed no reaction or interest when you picked up the whip. I like the black, seen it twice now, it works better.
I agree! He’s a bit too clever for someone like me, even with my experience- he’s a bit “opportunistic”…but in spite of being all over the place I love that naturally floaty trot…he’ll be a very fun advanced rider horse once he gets a good solid handle on him.
Homophones (there instead of their) and (reel in place of real) and the word was "consequence" maybe? I do like the white text. As you say he is improving slowly, I can see the gradual changes.
There is some sort of pain response going on. Something in his back maybe pelvic area? He kind of sunk down when you first got on him and all the chewing on the bit is nerve related and also indicates some sort of pain somewhere. Stretching and pulling on the bit also indicates some sort of pain response. I think I'm seeing him hold his tail off center. I wonder if he's crashed and burned in pasture? Just a thought. He's awfully fine boned and looks to be 16 hands. If under 5 he's still growing. I also was seeing something in his rear movement. He seems to be super sensitive too. The way you are handling him is spot on. 😊
The thing about horses like this is once you figure them out an show them their place in the herd pecking order, they will give you everything they’ve got, all day long, to the best of their ability. They’re the ones that attack their slides, digging their way to the end of the pen. They’re the ones that always take the high options in the big hunter derbies. They’re sensitive, smart, talented and with the right training or rider that can channel that attitude, they look like the most broke pushbutton ride. They’re are anything but a dreamboat that marches through their task, but with the right rider, they’ll always be at the top of their division. With the wrong trainer or rider, they’ll end up at an auction.
Just an observation, at 9:45 you made a change of direction to the right. You can see Bubbas eye, looking to the left, determined to go left. At 13:45, you did the same move in the same spot. This time, Bubba is looking to the right and he makes the change nice and soft.
I agree with you- he doesn’t trust the riders leadership. If he would have been started with a trainer like you, I don’t think he would have these issues. He’s extremely distracted.
Gentle suggestion: Put Bubba/Horse's name in each title so we can follow, and thx for his name on group videos! Is BUBBA an OTTB? He looks like a T-bred.
Voice commands are part of communication. If you want him to stand, say whoa first. Voice is so helpful! You are a confident and assertive trainer, which is good, but horse gets stressed out and nervous which is not really helpful. Remember, horse is willing servant best, slave worst. A good trainer is balanced in approach. Don't forget rewards, a little kindness. This one knows you are the boss, give a little. You will have a horse who will learn to trust the handler and be safer.
'reel' life. hahahaha I wondered about the spurs last ride. He shuts down but spurs probably aren't going to make him move forward. Hard to believe he had 'training.' He shouldn't be grinding. I suspect with proper, consistent riding, he will get better each ride. I am not so sure he is a real dominant horse. He is afraid, and badly handled because he reacts with aggression, and pushing back is how he handles it. I remember these days and enjoy watching you handle him.
Do the owners keep in touch after the training? I saw an older video with Scout, that was also a nice horse, do you keep track of the horses and see if your training helped en how the horses became.
Don't you just hate it when "trainers" lunge without a purpose other than get horse tired? All that accomplishes is a fit horse that hasn't learned a thing like Bubba. As an aside, I bet he could jump the moon or smoke a set of barrels the way he's built.
I have a hunch that if you can find what he likes to do, you may find a more willing mount. The puzzle is....what will he enjoy doing. Other than standing in the pasture. 😊😊😊
@@lizzieb6311 But will HE enjoy that??? My daughter had a Shetland that wanted to be a team roping heading horse. My daughter wanted to jump. The Shetland didn't want anything to do with that. She loved yanking steers around, and she was good at it, except her legs were too short to be fast. If the jumping standards were in the arena, you couldn't drag that pony within a country mile of the arena with a bull dozer. But when she heard the steers start bawling, she'd be hazing them on the outside of the arena. So, we decided to let her be what she loved to do. And she taught 7 young cowboys from our area how to rope before she just couldn't go anymore. Sure we could have pushed and trained her more intensly but she would have been miserable. Because we decided to let her do what she enjoyed, she performed her work with enthusiasm, every day. She never misbehaved....ever.
@@nohillforahighstepper no idea! He just seems like a curious and confident horse that might enjoy something that’s a bit different each ride. Time will tell. The Shetland story is WONDERFUL! What a cool pony!! Sounds feisty with the steers ♥My Appaloosa loved most of all trail riding and camping…I used to show him in Western Pleasure and Equitation which bored him (and me) …we enjoyed our 15 years together on weekend trips and riding through the woods and splashing in creeks after school until dark…it’s fun looking back, isn’t it? Sweet memories 🥰
@@nohillforahighstepperLove your Shetland story. Horses do have job preferences. We have a dressage-bred young Warmblood mare who did some dressage and was OK at it, but then we discovered she absolutely loves to jump. We are now retraining her in that discipline and will sell her because that’s not what we want a horse for. There’s no sense I’m trying to force them into a discipline that they do not like.
@@fleetskipper1810 Sometimes they will learn to enjoy what is asked of them. But if you want that "next level" of try from them, you need to find what they love to do. There are also some that don't like to do anything...
@1:36....... you were a full 3 count AFTER the behavior before you corrected it...... pretty sure timing is important and pulling on him AFTER he is back on the circle is pretty confusing.... but what do i know
Could you please explain more in detail why you are against lounging? I am currently in the round pen with my 3 year old mustang. I practice with her halt, walk, Trott, canter on command. The round pen really improved her balance in the canter, as well as a much steadier Trott. I use occasionally the lounge line, because she used to pull me around. So 3-4 times - no lounge line. One time - lounge line. And I ride her in a walk 5-20 min 3 times a week. Arena work and walks outside the barn the other days This combination seems to be working well for her. So that is why I am wondering why lounging is not preferable? Thanks for your advice.
If the horse is heavy on its front end and not rounded correctly in its back you are very limited what you can do to correct it when lunging and often you can't tell the extent until you are ilon their back.
I noticed this time when you mounted, you didn't just have the reins but a handful of his hair? Is that a better way to do it? I have a horse that likes to instantly walk off when mounted (she was a cowboy horse and trained to do that). Would grabbing the hair help at all?
Mounting correctly you shouldn't need to grab much of anything. I grabbed hair to make sure he was paying attention so I didn't surprise him. What is considered "correct" is not always what "should" be done when training. A correctly trained horse should not care if you don't do something "correctly".
In watching some of these videos, it has become apparent to me that Monte Roberts' method is better. In that case, the horse collaborates with the rider; he makes the decision to work with the human, trusts and respects him from the beginning. The horse collaborates in his training instead of following directives with consequences (whip and spurs). In this man's method,, it is the latter. This man is working without the complete consent of the horse,(treating the horse as a young child with "problems") 😊 which takes much longer and ultimately is less effective because when the horse goes to someone else who is not as practiced in the consequences, it can then begin more resistance. The involvement of the horse as an equal partner, to me is far more productive.
Have you ever had a problem using a snaffle on a headstall without a throat latch/one ear? I also ride snaffle one ear headstalls :-) If i think they are going to buck i will tie the headstall to a windsucking collar
when the lettering comes on i tend to pause the video to read what your saying and then continue to watch. the black catches my eye faster but thats just me.
Seems like kept a barn horse. Lunge work. No real attention beyond this. But, the owner(s) want him to act more like a pet pony than a horse. When they are there that is. IMHO.
funny thing....... people that "know" would swear you are a horse trader. You were a little off in your timing, and it was obvious the horse got stuck before you switched directions, BUT you were almost convincing, and it ALMOST looked like you planned to changed direction when your horse got stuck..... but we both know better than that....
