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RIGHT HELICAL vs LEFT HELICAL vs STRAIGHT FLETCH - arrow testing 

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@Space_Cowboi
@Space_Cowboi 2 года назад
Great video, thanks for taking the time and effort for it!
@christopherparker3884
@christopherparker3884 2 года назад
Great Job doing this arrow test, and Thank you very much because you helped me to figure Out what arrows I want to get!
@jimzarlatanes9139
@jimzarlatanes9139 Год назад
I really like the method of your test. Good job.
@johnbursell4391
@johnbursell4391 Год назад
My Triax and V3x would both initially spin left. Made me question my right helical setup as well. Great Video.
@vioghn2
@vioghn2 2 года назад
really great video thanks for the effort just what I needed
@chrisunruh6485
@chrisunruh6485 Год назад
Here is my theory. I think you need to spine index or nock tune your left helical arrows. Every single group has one flyer. Take the flyer out and the left was a better group. That flyer was fletched with the spine rotated. One thing I’d like to know is how much difference it makes shooting broadheads
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods Год назад
That’s a good idea for a part 2. 👍🏻
@johnbursell4391
@johnbursell4391 Год назад
Well said. Shooting each of my arrows through paper and indexing the spine makes for tighter groups and less fliers.
@billysilva6388
@billysilva6388 3 месяца назад
Yes to broadheads!
@tomtolentino7575
@tomtolentino7575 26 дней назад
Outstanding Experiment brotha….it makes a lot of sense when considering which helical to use when fletching arrows. However, spine testing arrows also, can really make a big difference as well,and then consider the right application of helical for the end result. Either way, I think they’ll all pull some pretty tight groups, even at long range😇🏹🏹👍. Thanks for posting 👍
@ranchosendero
@ranchosendero 2 года назад
I went with a slight left offset last year and arrow shot faster quieter and way more forgiving IMO thanks for testing
@jrod4717
@jrod4717 2 года назад
Great video Not enough people showing data like this out there. Just a whole lot of people repeating info they were told or read online
@deantaylor1251
@deantaylor1251 8 месяцев назад
Excellent information young man, thanks for helping me and most everyone who sees this video....
@randomcdude4430
@randomcdude4430 2 года назад
This was a cool test. The human factor is always hard to account for. Having watched a bunch of videos, read a bunch of threads about arrow clocking recently, and played with my set ups I have a few thoughts. First fletching to nat spin makes sense for a trad bows since you have less heat, more variability in the shot with finger release, and generally are making shorter shots the quicker you get to good spin the better. With compound bows it would seem that the type of rest used would be an important factor. It seems that fletching opposite of nat spin might be advantageous when using a full capture rest (looking at you gobbler getters) since having a delay in start of rotation (slow mo videos show this) will help reduce interference and it passes through a biscuit or through the capture gates. I could even see an advantage of nat opposite fletching with any non-drop away rest or low clearance rest. If your arrow is spinning immediately after leaving the string, those vanes might slap your rest as they go by or increases the friction of the biscuit bristles. So maybe that pause steals a little speed/energy right at the front of the shot by fighting the natural spin, but it buys time to clear the bow before it starts up it's spinny motor. I would love to see more rounds at a set distance with each setup to see if there is more variability (higher standard deviation) with left h vs right h since you might get lucky on some left h shots and have no vane contact and unlucky other shots and have lots of vane slap. It seemed like the left h arrows had more of a tendency towards having one arrow that was just a wild flier with two touching each other in your rounds. Perhaps those wild fliers were arrows that slapped the rest on their way by. Maybe this applies to trad bows also, since a feather sliding straight across the shelf should have less friction (one plane) than a feather sliding both forward and rotationally across the shelf (two planes). So my current thinking is that checking your nat spin is good so that you can fletch opposite of that direction to take advantage of the spin pause it will give thus allowing the arrow to clear the bow before spinning. To that end since lots of folks fletch right h/offset because "that is the clamp that came with the jig", it seems like the archery community seems to have stumbled on what may be a good solution to a problem they did not even know they had (folks figure right h/offset shot good and went with it not overthinking the mechanics of the shot). Thanks for a thought provoking video, happy shooting.
@johndenver5029
@johndenver5029 Год назад
The arrow can't spin until it's clear of the string as its still attached at the nock
@hauikanamu9641
@hauikanamu9641 2 года назад
Your findings make sense since your bare shaft naturally spins left, the straight fletch will eventually spin left at long distance. The right helical at long distance wil hold the arrow sturdy longer as if it was a straight. Cool
@ritseeniyah
@ritseeniyah Год назад
Very good video. Thank you for doing this
@MikeyWoomer
@MikeyWoomer Год назад
That 17 " on the strait... then 11.75 om the straight... like I don't know about this test brother.. that 8.75 group on the right definitely helped out the rh average. Was the straight like straight? No offset or anything? Ad straight as your human eye could set it?. So much of this is based on you. Love the video. I think anyone who is questioning this for themselves should go out and try it. Because alot of this is mental. If when you step up and draw that bow back, if you question, do i have the best arrow for this... your gonna get in your own head. You need to have the mind set. This is the best I'm gonna make a perfect shot. I appreciate the work you did on this video
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods Год назад
Definitely encourage everyone to test on their own. There is always human error. Thanks for watching.
@user-di4dw8bt1t
@user-di4dw8bt1t 5 месяцев назад
Did you include distance from center of bullseye…thinking that this may affect your results. We all want them to go in the center. But a great test nonetheless
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 5 месяцев назад
No I assumed I would have to recenter my sight for each one. So it was simpler and more consistent to just aim center and then get the circumference distance of the group. Thanks
@jeddiajones4570
@jeddiajones4570 5 месяцев назад
Great video. Nice job account for variables.
@garrettpressler6328
@garrettpressler6328 Год назад
Helical direction will depend on the way the bow naturally spins the arrow off the string.
@simplesouthernoutdoors
@simplesouthernoutdoors 2 года назад
Great work! Enjoyed the video and gain some information to think about. I wonder how it effects once you shoot fixed broad heads.
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
I’m hoping to find that out in the near future. Might have to make another video with the results of that. 👍🏻
@mikenutto396
@mikenutto396 Год назад
So mega nerdy here, the way your sting is twisted is generally where this starts. I've been messing with this myself for a while. The string twist in most strings is to the left. I've been told the ABB is to the right (waiting till spring to test that) Im shooting a v3x and it just seems to shoot slightly to the left. I also have a Hoyt with a trophy (zebra string, the sacrilege lol) Both shoot to the left the v 3x a bit more. I shoot often like 3 times a week in most cases. The v3x is new and it took some serious time to dial it in with many different arrow combos. There is more than string twist that affects the arrow flight. Finding spine, bare, shaft tuning and so on. The type of vane and the way it is fletched. 4 fletch vs. 3 fletch. Now on the Hoyt I'm shooting a straight fletch with right offset. This bow is dead on if I put a right helical in it will shoot just right of the bullseye. On the v 3x I'm shooting right helical because I'm compensating for the natural left. My friend went left helical on his bow that shoots left but he is bringing it in with the site and rest. he believes why fight it. He feels the right helical slows the arrow down if it shoots to the left. Naturally, this all comes down to testing and seeing what your bow is doing, and how much you want to get it dialed in.
@willc3384
@willc3384 12 дней назад
It might just be my eyes, but it looks to me like your fletches are indexed left/right. I don't see the "propeller" that helical usually creates. I enjoyed the vid though.
@sho9636
@sho9636 2 года назад
Was your bow tune with a right fletch arrow? That could have made a difference with consistency or path of arrow flight for the left offset and straight fletch. I know it’s probably a big can of worms to open. I just think there is more to be explored and tested. Maybe one day I can tune my bow for each arrow and see how they group. I was thinking bare shaft / nock tune first then fletch tune, it seems like a lot of work but i would love to gather this data.
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
It’s something fun to do in the off-season. My bow wasn’t tuned based on fletching. More so is it lined up with the holes in the riser and is the string angle 90* from the shaft. Nock height adjusted etc. nothing specific to the fletchings
@acemeister5647
@acemeister5647 2 года назад
I wonder if you did the same test with heavier tip weight. I had an 80lbs Mathews monster that had great arrow flight with right helical with a 30 inch arrow. A 29 inch arrow would have the parachute affect that you hear about when having too much helical. I wonder now if I could have added tip weight to correct the flight with a 29 inch arrow
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
I did some FOC paper testing with heavier fronts. I would have loved to continue that test but I couldn’t find the spine arrows I wanted due to the product shortages were seeing. But i could see a heavier front changing the arrow flight.
@DC-vx6ed
@DC-vx6ed Год назад
Interesting testing. Personally have always ran RH. Assuming the FOC of each arrow was the same. Take a glance at FOC on your arrows. I prefer 12% FOC on my 29 inch arrows @ 50+ yards. Just a thought. Nice content.
@theincredible9168
@theincredible9168 Год назад
12% FOC? That's pretty low.
@bobbyb7127
@bobbyb7127 2 года назад
Was your straight fletching offset in any way or perfectly straight with the arrow. I shoot traditional and have a left helical jig and thinking about buying the straight jig and offset them. But idk if that would be a waste of money. That was a very nice extensive testing you did. Thanks.
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
Its been awhile since I did this test. I would imagine they have a slight offset right. Personally I love right offset for shooting. Gives u accurate at close range and will give enough spin to hold it together on longer shots.
@maxhunter953
@maxhunter953 Год назад
Thank you. I guess this tells that left or right no big difference
@peterxyz3541
@peterxyz3541 2 года назад
Great test. If I may, throw on some stabiliser rods & try the test again
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
That’s a good idea 👍🏻
@timl8302
@timl8302 Год назад
My bare shaft didn't go left or right with a proper shot. Which way is the serving spun? It maybe which will spin better?
@felgerkyle
@felgerkyle Год назад
What degree left and right are you shooting that can play a big factor in arrow flight as to much left or to much right will throw the flight off.
@edricheson
@edricheson Год назад
There are so many factors in this test. To really find out you would need to set your bow on a stand and eliminate the human flaw. Indoors would also give different results given the elements would be erased. I haven't seen anyone do this test yet.
@d500mag2
@d500mag2 Год назад
I haven't seen anyone shoot an animal using a bow stand (hooter shooter), don't know of any killed indoors either.
@alexmcdonald3493
@alexmcdonald3493 Год назад
Right on bro, when all said and done a human slings the arrow
@SebasLarocque
@SebasLarocque 8 месяцев назад
In the video, is he shooting a live animal or is he trying to do scientific tests on arrow flight? Eliminating human error is a priority in this case. @@d500mag2
@duanethompson2360
@duanethompson2360 2 года назад
Arrows mater as well, one brand will spin right and one brand left with the same bow! You also need exact weight with each arrow.
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
My research shows the bow string itself affects arrow spin. Not 100% sure. These were all Gold Tip 340.
@duanethompson2360
@duanethompson2360 2 года назад
@@TripleRwoods Paige has a good video shooting two different arrows in the same bow, one brand spins right and one brand spins left.
@duanethompson2360
@duanethompson2360 2 года назад
@@TripleRwoods ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ebSxqxBq1w8.html
@andre1022c4
@andre1022c4 2 года назад
You should number those arrows. You consistently always two arrows touching in the left helical and one wanderer I'm willing to wager that the one wanderer was the same one each time. Probably just a bad arrow or maybe not nock tuned.
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
Some were #. I generally number my arrows but for this experiment I prob didn’t number all of them. Thanks
@stevecrader3479
@stevecrader3479 2 года назад
Agreed. We've started shooting groups @ 60 and it's fairly common to find 1 or 2 arrows in a batch of 8-10 that consistently stray. Then move to nock tuning and maybe refletch. Contact not an issue since we almost all use drop away rests
@windy77011
@windy77011 2 года назад
Great Test. What is the total weight of your arrow? And just the weight of your broadhead? I'm playing with different options and FOC is about 14% for my arrows. With a 150 gr broadhead. And 17% with a 160 gr broadhead. I want to be confident shooting an Elk out to 50 yards.
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
Not real sure on total weight. I’ve been looking at getting a scale to test. I’m using 150 grain tips on gold tip hunt xt 380 or 400. Can’t remember off the top of my head.
@aaronhall765
@aaronhall765 Год назад
Try the same test with fixed blades broadheads. Post up results.
@lovetogun3611
@lovetogun3611 7 месяцев назад
Doesn't make much sense to me that the left and right helical would tighten their groups at longer distance after they were already opening at 20🤔
@mikemazzuccorealtor
@mikemazzuccorealtor Год назад
Did you try to quantify accuracy at all?
@toddwagoner51
@toddwagoner51 2 года назад
Because straight fletch will plane. (Float). The longer yardage. Straight will get worse.
@MikeyWoomer
@MikeyWoomer 2 года назад
At the end of thr day if right makes you feel more confident and shoot better then shoot the rights..
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
Confidence in your set up is a big part of Archery. 👍🏻
@MikeyWoomer
@MikeyWoomer 2 года назад
@@TripleRwoods 100% make that big brain of your feel good and happy haha no matter what way fletch. I honestly don't think it makes that big of a difference one way or another. It's fun to play with tho and fun to watch someone else go through the same shit I do at the house haha. Hope you make a broadhead video
@sinepari9160
@sinepari9160 2 года назад
Now throw a good 15 mph sidewind into the equation. Those straight fletch will be flying 8” l/r at 40 yds in the wind we have here out west in co/wy.
@MikeyWoomer
@MikeyWoomer 2 года назад
Definitely a cool video to much human to say 100 percent. Wonder how much of a difference it would make with a broadhead out on the front
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
Absolutely human error is a big factor. Taking the average of 3 shots should alleviate some of that human error. Thanks 👍🏻
@MikeyWoomer
@MikeyWoomer 2 года назад
@@TripleRwoods it might take out some but not all.
@justinmahan7860
@justinmahan7860 5 месяцев назад
From what im getting they all shoot basically the same if you're tuned everywhere else
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 5 месяцев назад
Pretty much
@micahdunleavy9227
@micahdunleavy9227 Год назад
From this test it seems it hardly matters if you’re hunting whitetails within 30 yards straight is probably best really.. I think ppl get to caught up in this stuff when they aren’t shooting long ranges in competition or out west..
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods Год назад
I think your spot on. I use a helical for my TAC arrows where I’m going to be shooting long shots
@MrHip76
@MrHip76 Год назад
agreed
@TORREX-A.D.
@TORREX-A.D. 2 года назад
Do you think with a whisker biscuit,straight would be an advantage?
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
It would prob be better straight vs helical on a whisker biscuit. I’m not a big fan of whisker biscuits. I just don’t think 100% of the time you can replicate the way the fletch impacts the WB. And in archery replication is the name of the game. Just my 2 cents.
@TORREX-A.D.
@TORREX-A.D. 2 года назад
@@TripleRwoods I agree, too many flyers.
@jeff_8789
@jeff_8789 2 года назад
I did the same test but with broadheads and for my mathews v3 the left had the best groups out to 60 and anytime I had a flier it was always less noticeable compared to the others so for me they grouped better and were more forgiving compared side by side
@erxkeel
@erxkeel 2 года назад
That is very interesting!
@GertTown
@GertTown Год назад
What happened to the offset
@fishingwithhoffman7365
@fishingwithhoffman7365 Год назад
So you would go with Right for all distance for the most part?
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods Год назад
For hunting with close shots I like a right offset. For longer shots like a TAC I like a helical.
@fishingwithhoffman7365
@fishingwithhoffman7365 Год назад
@@TripleRwoods mine is 3° to the right. But i also got mine like that because i shoot fixed broadheads. I read online that if you use straight fletchings to shoot mechanical heads. Fixed heads you want a twist
@mojoe8005
@mojoe8005 Год назад
We’re all ur arrows nock tuned or spine aligned, I think this test needs a hooter shooter no huma error not saying ur a bad shot
@milkrvr4088
@milkrvr4088 2 года назад
Do a speed test with all the different configurations. Please 🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹 also maybe a 3 vs 4 with some longer vanes maybe x vanes and do speed on those also
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
Great idea. Some more test coming soon.
@jacoblogsdon2850
@jacoblogsdon2850 2 года назад
I've recently done some similar testing. I think the arrow speeds need to be measured with a "lab radar" dolplar radar. It gives you speeds all the way down range. My right helical arrows were definitely impacting lower.
@milkrvr4088
@milkrvr4088 2 года назад
@@jacoblogsdon2850 I did some lefts with a lot of offset and the left helical clamp the most you can do on a bitzenberger jig it looked like a lot but they were way slower through the chrono than my plain right helical with little offset I’m not sure how it is down range I don’t have the radar but I wish someone would do it. Anyone but the ranch fairy guy he shoots a 1247 grain arrow with no peep at 20 yards and misses targets then looks at the camera and says see Ashby report right there I can’t do it lol
@jacoblogsdon2850
@jacoblogsdon2850 2 года назад
@@milkrvr4088 does your bow clock a bareshaft arrow to the left? I'm shooting a hoyt rx5 with factory strings and my bare shaft arrows clock very hard to the left. At 3 ft, the nock had rotated over 90 degrees. I've noticed some strange tail behavior on my right helical arrows. None of that with the left fletch. There's most definitely something worth discussing here
@milkrvr4088
@milkrvr4088 2 года назад
@@jacoblogsdon2850 my string goes left with bare shaft but my broadheads need a right offset / helical because of the bevel so I made everything right helical with offset I never tried my lefts with my broadheads
@toddDHR
@toddDHR Год назад
Any difference with 4th fletch or lower profile?
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods Год назад
I think 4 fletch is better personally.
@toddDHR
@toddDHR Год назад
@@TripleRwoods would you think straight fletch or right helical?
@traviscroft91
@traviscroft91 2 года назад
What direction does yr bow clock jw
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
My bow naturally spins arrows left. My research said basically 90% of bows turn left.
@dirtjunkie2749
@dirtjunkie2749 Год назад
Your right helical vanes look left to me
@dirtjunkie2749
@dirtjunkie2749 Год назад
Mainly the one with the red nock, maybe I'm seeing things lol
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods Год назад
It’s a helical clamp. On the jig it’s straight. So it gives it the right or left helical due to the clamp.
@fishingwithhoffman7365
@fishingwithhoffman7365 Год назад
You put the twist so if you shoot fixed broadheads it will make them fly straigt. Straight is for mechanical blades 😉
@newyoupersonaldevelopment3497
@newyoupersonaldevelopment3497 2 года назад
Lucky neighbours … they must be well pleased with the prospect of a stray arrow in the neck as they walk to the car 😟
@TripleRwoods
@TripleRwoods 2 года назад
A. I hope they don’t park in the back yard. B. The arrow would need to fly through both steel walls of a shed and a privacy fence. Magic arrow. Maybe. 🤔 C. The longer range shots are on my land with no neighbors. Thanks for your concerns. I’ll file them with HR. 🙄
@newyoupersonaldevelopment3497
@newyoupersonaldevelopment3497 2 года назад
You’re very welcome 👍
@calebschmutzler9010
@calebschmutzler9010 9 месяцев назад
Ever heard of not being a puss
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