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Look at any lineup of bikes and you’ll likely see two different fork setups. Some forks have the skinnier, shiny portion at the top (conventional, or right-side up forks), while others have the chromed part at the top (upside-down, or USD forks). The general consensus is that upside-down forks are better, but how? Ari Henning explains in this video from the MC Garage.
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When it comes down to it, there’s really just one major difference between upside-down and conventional forks, and that’s rigidity.
When you clamp on the front brake or turn the bars to steer the bike, the fork is subjected to some serious bending and twisting loads. The whole fork is basically a lever, with the braking and steering force being applied at the tire’s contact patch, but acting on the rest of the bike way up where the fork attaches to the triple clamp. Any bending is bad, since it’ll screw up steering, suspension action, and mess up handling.
Since most of the bending force is focused right below the triple clamp, it makes sense to have that section of the fork be very strong. And the best way to make a tube stronger is to increase its diameter. So, just flip over your conventional fork and the larger-diameter female end is now clamped in the triple, so that fulcrum point is stronger and less likely to flex. This is a discovery that race teams made back in the late ‘80s, and by the ‘90s USD forks started to appear on sportbikes. These days, upside-down forks appear on all kinds of bikes.
Another thing that makes USD forks stiffer is the fact that the female slider is usually quite a bit longer than on a conventional fork. That means there’s more support for the exposed section of the stanchion, which helps it resist bending.
So, upside-down forks are definitely stiffer, but do you think you’re gonna feel the difference? Hell no! At least not on the street. Even so, folks want USD forks because it’s what top-of-the-line bikes have and because, well, they look cool. Case in point, even the lowly Grom, a distinctly non-performance bike, has an upside-down fork. On that bike, it’s all about the look. And honestly, a USD fork won’t look good on all bikes. I mean, can you imagine Triumph’s little retro Street Twin with a fat upside-downer? It just wouldn’t look right.
So stiffness aside, is there any other real performance benefit to an upside fork? Actually, yes. Generally speaking, and this is a huge generalization, upside-down forks have more sophisticated bits inside. Most are going to be fully adjustable, and even the non-adjustable ones will typically have a damping cartridge that offers better performance than the crude damper-rod assembly that’s found inside most traditional right-side up forks.
Since conventional forks are so much simpler, they’re also a lot easier to work on when it comes time to change the fork oil, swap out springs, or do a complete rebuild. When it comes to doing maintenance on a fully adjustable upside down fork, things are a lot more complicated.
One more practical difference that not many people consider is what happens when a fork seal fails, which does happen from time to time. On a right-side-up fork you’ll probably get some weeping fork oil and it might even drip down the slider. On an upside-fork, though, you run a much bigger risk of getting oil on your brake disc and pads since the seal is so much closer to those components and it has most of the fork oil sitting on top of it, just waiting to drip out past the seal.
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@IchibanMoto
@IchibanMoto 6 лет назад
sounds legit. i'm going to turn mine upsidedown
@facilis
@facilis 4 года назад
That's so badass !
@fededevi1985
@fededevi1985 4 года назад
ϛ/5
@cptforce4541
@cptforce4541 3 года назад
@Joziah Remington You liar. Its a scam.
@nsa6790
@nsa6790 3 года назад
@Joziah Remington well at least you acknowledge nobody gives a shit
@MrFurley69
@MrFurley69 3 года назад
Turn the whole bike upside down
@VladBorisych
@VladBorisych 7 лет назад
Finally someone explained it in plain language. Thank you!
@tacamo21
@tacamo21 7 лет назад
So like in other things that involve riding, it's better when the female is on top.
@infinitycl
@infinitycl 7 лет назад
lol
@aamir.khan.1991
@aamir.khan.1991 7 лет назад
tacamo21 Hahaha. Nailed it! (no pun intended)
@race-technika
@race-technika 7 лет назад
I came here for this ^ :D
@nikolager23
@nikolager23 7 лет назад
Ari Henning love your videos mate and your name being similar to Arai HAAH
@angrysocialjusticewarrior
@angrysocialjusticewarrior 7 лет назад
Yeah, it improves the "stiffness" during the ride.
@thesighbored
@thesighbored 7 лет назад
Why upside down fork? Because it looks hella cool. Enough said! :D Good video MG!
@iodineclip
@iodineclip 6 лет назад
and even the Brapster have it, so its definitely super cool :)
@user-eg8nl1iy7j
@user-eg8nl1iy7j 6 лет назад
Yeah!! TheSighBored 😊😊😊
@sciencemilitia1853
@sciencemilitia1853 5 лет назад
I'm a mechanical engineer in the motorcycle industry, and this is video is 100% exactly right. I have also been racing motocross for over 10 years. Happy to see some media outlets offering actual information about motorcycle engineering to clear up all of the wive's tales.
@Ranhola1
@Ranhola1 5 лет назад
YES THERE IS PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT with the inverted fork. It improved my ego. -_-
@mjordan812
@mjordan812 5 лет назад
Glad that you mentioned seal failure. Mine went out in Jacksonville, Florida last March. Bathed both calipers with fork oil - as in puddle on the ground. Made it the 750 or so miles from JAX back home to northern Virginia with NO front brakes. Whee.
@johanchen3485
@johanchen3485 7 лет назад
Please explain the about the monoshock and the double shock in the rear section.
@akupehsluarketatAR
@akupehsluarketatAR 7 лет назад
i was gonna ask that.. but you already did. nevermind i'll ask about single swingarm versus regular swingarm versus curved swingarm.
@Sand_1995
@Sand_1995 7 лет назад
Monoshock is better for track riding and cornering and can be adjusted for variety of settings.Double shocks are better for offroading and load bearing and are better for bumpy roads as they can take on heavier weights than monoshock.But dual shocks don't lend themselves well for cornering as well as monoshocks do.
@doppies2001
@doppies2001 7 лет назад
Sandepp hahahaha
@dedasdude
@dedasdude 7 лет назад
more pivot points in dual shocks means its geometry is more susceptible to moving in undesired ways. Mono shock makes it rigid by having just one coupling point with the shock.
@ChuddleBuggy
@ChuddleBuggy 7 лет назад
that makes total sense. any difference in the shock and spring action on either side can cause unwanted twisting forces on the trailing arm.
@truantray
@truantray 7 лет назад
The difference in unsprung mass is minimal in the real context. USD forks are fashionable because they can look like what are on racing bikes. In street riding, the real world, there are cheap, flexy USDs and very good traditional forks that are stiffer. Two problems with USDs: the slider is exposed lower, more prone to chipping and damage, and when the seals fail, they dump out oil on the brakes, and when it comes time to fix all that, they are more complex. Companies are making cheapo USDs anodized gold , i.e. Fauxlins, they are crap. looking at you, Yamaha. It's a fashion choice, like petal rotors. It would make sense to put neoprene boots on USD fork sliders, but that's currently not cool.
@julienfoss1392
@julienfoss1392 7 лет назад
wouldn't there also be less unsprung weight with a upside down fork
@uncleputes
@uncleputes 7 лет назад
True, though in _most_ cases (Not all) an inverted fork will have less unsprung mass
@Kneedragon1962
@Kneedragon1962 7 лет назад
In theory, yes. In practice, I'm not so sure... Maybe.
@Blanchy10
@Blanchy10 7 лет назад
No totally the opposite The stanchion or shinny part is steel and much heavier than the Alloy tube
@uncleputes
@uncleputes 7 лет назад
Blanchy10 What are you smoking? stanchions are light as fuck
@Blanchy10
@Blanchy10 7 лет назад
Yeah right you ever pull a set apart? The chromed steel part is much heavier
@Hopeless_and_Forlorn
@Hopeless_and_Forlorn 7 лет назад
Nice video. Aircraft shock struts, which are very similar to telescopic motorcycle forks, have always had the outer cylinder on top and the inner piston on the bottom. So, what is right-side-up on an airplane is called upside-down on a motorcycle. BTW, aircraft struts do not have internal springs, but rely on compressed nitrogen gas to bear the weight of the aircraft. Here is what might sound strange: if you see a mechanic adding or releasing nitrogen from a strut, he is changing the extension of the strut, but not the gas pressure in it. The only way to change the pressure is to change the load on the strut.
@bend1483
@bend1483 7 лет назад
Well... That really was quite interesting... :)
@dieselguy62
@dieselguy62 6 лет назад
ummmmm, when i add nitrogen to my Bosbak, i am changing the pressure. wtf you come up with this theory of yours
@faidularcs
@faidularcs 6 лет назад
Hopelessand Forlorn nice 👏👏👏👏👏
@zedsdeadzedsdead5959
@zedsdeadzedsdead5959 5 лет назад
Cool info.
@dieselguy62
@dieselguy62 4 года назад
@@faridb40 hilarious. And wrong
@theovdharst6393
@theovdharst6393 7 лет назад
Love the video's from MC Garage.Clear and easy to understand explanation about how bikes and their components work. Greetings from the Netherlands,Theo.
@MarioPk
@MarioPk 5 лет назад
Additionally, USD-Forks tend to have less unsprung masses than similar sized conventional forks. This may help increase riding comfort and may provide better front tire traction, especially on bumpy roads or on the track, if set up properly. Keep up the good work, Greetings from Bavaria!
@adam346
@adam346 10 месяцев назад
I think it's rotational mass that actually has the greatest benefit... upside-down forks are better than normal but you will feel lighter brakes, lighter rims far more than if you swapped upside-down forks for conventional... since the suspension itself it technically un-sprung, the weight of the components is what matters, not it's orientation... and the upside-down forks may or may not carry an additional benefit in that category due to the perception of upside-down forks feeling stiffer which may also lead to the perception of lightness since there is less flex overall.
@ngzcaz
@ngzcaz 4 года назад
Nice explanation.. Unless you're pushing the bike ( street or in the woods/dirt trails ) It seems to me to be almost a 50/50 deal for the average rider. A big factor you pointed out is the potential for the seals to leak on the brake components. That's worthy of consideration...
@Nightboat
@Nightboat 7 лет назад
Thanks Ari. Another clear and informative video. I love what you and MM are doing with these RU-vid vids!
@TusharHaral
@TusharHaral 6 лет назад
Always had heard about the upside down forks in bike reviews but didn't knew it's significance. Thanks for making this video. 👍
@TBR7Chronicles
@TBR7Chronicles 11 месяцев назад
I swapped the front fork on my TBR7 to an inverted Grom style fork, the difference was notable INSTANTLY!!!!
@geovani60624
@geovani60624 5 лет назад
The upside down one gets more dust in the shining part which makes the seal fail quicker
@bignoseharry6561
@bignoseharry6561 4 года назад
The shiny part is called the stanchion. Boy.
@trueindian7668
@trueindian7668 4 года назад
@@bignoseharry6561 good to know info.
@arun211093
@arun211093 4 года назад
It's really easy to make covers for them..
@Simon-eh5ez
@Simon-eh5ez 3 года назад
Fork guards remove a large part of that issue. Motocross/enduro all run upside down forks and it works really well. Add a proper wrap-around fork guard if you are doing some more extreme stuff and you'll be set. A positive on the upside down one is that the scraper pushes the dirt down and it stays there, while a conventional fork is more likely to have dirt buildup on the scraper. I know it's not a totally fair comparison, but my 1980's conventional fork on a road-going machine tends to be more gunked up than my 00's and 10's offroad machines. (including pure motocross and dual sport)
@4touchdowns1game29
@4touchdowns1game29 3 года назад
@@Simon-eh5ez upside down isn't always better look at the late 90s rm's. those things have amazing Force way better than the upside down forks on the other dirt bikes at the time.
@moneyspent1
@moneyspent1 7 лет назад
ahhh, im so happy you did this one Ari! one things ive been wondering for such a long time. keep the videos coming!
@cliffsta87337
@cliffsta87337 7 лет назад
These videos are always good. Y'all are one of my favorite subscriptions.
@phillipcox516
@phillipcox516 5 лет назад
Would the chrome slider be more subject to damage, ie: stone chips etc, being closer to the ground. AUS
@bernielomax4859
@bernielomax4859 3 года назад
Good point. Have you noticed nearly all of them have guards for just that
@daveinwla6360
@daveinwla6360 3 года назад
Yes. That's why there are fork gaiters - to protect the stanchion from rust from road salt and from chips/dents from rocks that cause abrasion of the rubber seal. Gaiters look Old School and nerdy, but they provide a definite protection for the bike.
@whereswaldo5740
@whereswaldo5740 3 года назад
That’s why God invented boots.
@2stroke4me
@2stroke4me 7 лет назад
One way of adding rigidity on normal forks is adding a stabilizer (which were common before the upside down forks were introduced). The big advantage of a normal fork is; you can put rubber boots on them for protection. Guaranteed that the chromed inner fork wil last a lot longer, especially during the season when there's salt on the roads or offroad.
@iheartyourfeet
@iheartyourfeet 7 лет назад
Can I just say, honestly great channel. Slowly working my way through every vid you guys have made. I've only been riding for... two and a half months? but I love it so much. Vids like this answer questions I don't know enough to ask yet. I also now want a Grom more than my next breath thanks to Gromkana. Keep it up boys, got a rare sub from me. Greetings from Sydney Australia!
@Ryzen_56X
@Ryzen_56X 6 лет назад
I got a 43mm conventional right-side forks on my bike and for street riding, touring and occasionally track days it performs quite well, the only upgrade I did with them is installing a good set of quality progressive springs with the right fork oil density and a fully adjustable rear monoshock, a suspension specialist did the job on my bike beautifully and it performs really well.
@BuluBiker
@BuluBiker 6 лет назад
Which suspension setup is better for off road bikes? If we are doing more of off roading?
@HarishKumar-zp6ly
@HarishKumar-zp6ly 3 года назад
Telescopic is better for off-road
@nvmcrider8475
@nvmcrider8475 3 года назад
Conventional right side up is better. Number 1 reason is the fork seals last for years. 2nd they flex more for a plusher ride.
@Zerocyxone9
@Zerocyxone9 3 года назад
Conventional...usd forks are more for streets and tracks...why? Forkseals.
@daveinwla6360
@daveinwla6360 3 года назад
Conventional forks are more suited for off-road riding because the fork stanchions get battered more with rocks/pebbles, causing more abrasion of the fork seals by the increased roughness. And gaiters down low would collect water through their breather holes from streams and puddles.
@amlanbeherabulabuli
@amlanbeherabulabuli 3 года назад
Bulu bhaina jay Jagannatha! Upside down forks kebala track use pai better. High end motorcycle gudika jouthire conventional forks rahuchi seguda madhya bhari stiff eka. Especially offroading re oil seal herika crack karibara besi chance rahiba hard core offroading karile tenukari conventional setup thik rahiba. Janichi apanakara 3barsa tala comment hele dekhili ta bhabili reply kari diye. 😁 Khusi lagila apana madhya emiti videos dekhuchanti. Have a nice day sir take care❤️
@LueXiong10
@LueXiong10 7 лет назад
An idea for a next video would be to go through the nuances of different types of swingarms.
@lpmorgan90
@lpmorgan90 7 лет назад
Dual spring, Monoshock or single sided swing arm ?
@LueXiong10
@LueXiong10 7 лет назад
Moggy1000 A little bit of everything I guess. Origin, pros and cons etc.
@quicksilver40
@quicksilver40 7 лет назад
Thanks for the clear and concise information. Some of us needed it, clarity is king.
@JayanandSupali
@JayanandSupali 7 лет назад
Exactly what i wanted to know. Thanks a mill for this. You guys are absolutely too good with this. Keep it up.
@AlbionSupreme
@AlbionSupreme 7 лет назад
I always thought it was about unsprung weight being lower on the U/D forks
@petergriffin4629
@petergriffin4629 7 лет назад
as far as I know upside down Forks were introduced for dirt bikes, since you can make longer damping ways with a smaller Fork and for a second reason very big normal forks have tube extending below the axle wich results in them grabbing dirt earlier when driving through deep ruts
@FFVoyager
@FFVoyager 7 лет назад
Peter Griffin the existed a long time before that - have a look at the BSA Bantam forks from the 1950's....
@garychandler4296
@garychandler4296 7 лет назад
I was gonna say, talk to dirtbike racers and find out what inverted forks are really about!
@chutney
@chutney 5 лет назад
Peter Griffin strange that trails bikes have reverted back to conventional I guess they help pop you up over obstacles easier then usd? No idea why just what I’ve noticed
@lakkchina
@lakkchina 4 года назад
I really enjoy your videos. Mainly because they are short and helpful with many advice.
@petemontero6913
@petemontero6913 5 лет назад
My brother built a model for a Revell model contest in 1976, based on Revell's Roger DeCoster Suzuki MX model... He couldn't leave well enough alone, though and proceeded to design a bike that did things that nobody was doing in 1976... including inverted forks. Finished it a month before the deadline, because we were going to be in Spain when the entry was due. Wild details: Working suspension (F & R) Inverted gas fork design (10+ years before this design showed up in production) Laid-down rear shock absorbers Underseat gas tank (lower CG) Liquid cooled (vs air) Radiator behind mesh number plate "Snail" exhaust pipe Airbox between legs, where gas tank usually is Padded seat Working rear brake pedal (actuates spring loaded rod to rear wheel) The funniest part of the story is that, after winning his local region, his model was sent to the national competition, where 1st prize winner would receive a custom Datsun Li'l Hustler pickup with a then-new Suzuki RM125 in the bed... 1st prize went to a VERY faithfully built and beautifully detailed (mud splatters, etc.) rendition of the DeCoster 400, and 2nd to my brother. 2nd prize was a helmet. See photo of 1976 model: uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5b396f42e1fc200370a51ebf2d06e3aeb1fcc7221ab6865e550ee5522c874f6a.jpg
@PrevedMedveds
@PrevedMedveds 7 лет назад
next topic: tyre width. What are reasons manufacturer installs wider tyre in bigger bikes? Besides cool look?
@marlinrobertson5464
@marlinrobertson5464 7 лет назад
for more grip, lol
@PrevedMedveds
@PrevedMedveds 7 лет назад
It may sound weird to you but amount of grip have nothing to do with tyre width. Wide tyres and narrow tyres have same amount of grip. Forces involved in grip and traction are not that simple.
@umutemreture4233
@umutemreture4233 7 лет назад
tyre width does not effect friction.its not about grip its about cooling (bigger surface faster cooling) and handling (for smooth counter steering) etc.
@SMU_3L
@SMU_3L 7 лет назад
Moto 3 bikes only use a 100 or a 90 section rear tyre. Most 125cc bikes have 130s from factory, so why do racing 250s use skinnier tyres?
@Le_Canard_Enrage
@Le_Canard_Enrage 7 лет назад
lighter and more agile. Thicker means more contact surface (so better grip) and more stabality.
@davisev5225
@davisev5225 2 месяца назад
You didn't cover the single biggest reason why inverted is better, and it's the same reason why most vehicle hood and trunk lift supports are mounted so that they "rest" in the inverted position. It causes all the shock oil to collect against the seal(s), keeping them wet and lubricated. This prolongs the life of those seals, meaning fewer failures and less maintenance.
@vardanrathi7777
@vardanrathi7777 Месяц назад
That's the very last point he mentioned. Not exactly in your words, but can be easily inferred.
@TheXhawin
@TheXhawin 5 лет назад
I love your vids. They're short yet informative.
@Roadified
@Roadified 7 лет назад
I had experience bending and blowing sealings on both type of forks. But I totally agree with points mentioned here.
@Superhueman
@Superhueman 7 лет назад
I'd love an explanation on how assist and slipper clutches work!
@steveglen3354
@steveglen3354 5 лет назад
I have a conventional fork on the left and a USD fork on the right side. Beat that
@kogasoldier9379
@kogasoldier9379 4 года назад
.... and a tank slapper any time you go over 25 mph.
@ravitej8396
@ravitej8396 4 года назад
@@kogasoldier9379 😂😂😂😂
@M.RIYAS.GHOST.OF.SPARTA
@M.RIYAS.GHOST.OF.SPARTA 3 года назад
When you need both 👌👌😉
@kabirsharma2817
@kabirsharma2817 3 года назад
Thats a 69 then ;) Beat that!
@AbheejitBhagwat
@AbheejitBhagwat 5 лет назад
Bud.. You impress with one video after another.. Great work.
@cryoscum
@cryoscum 7 лет назад
Actual useful info without the usual crap! Appreciated & subscribed!
@mrvwbug4423
@mrvwbug4423 7 лет назад
The USD fork will also typically have less unsprung weight which helps reduce force on the suspension components again improving handling
@o0bananaman0o
@o0bananaman0o 7 лет назад
he stated the in the vid it doesnt make any difference to handling. are there tangible metrics to suggest otherwise? interested to know
@Alexandros2539
@Alexandros2539 7 лет назад
mrvwbug44 You mean USDs have more unsprung mass, as the fork tubes are heavier than the slider which is usually made of aluminum. On the other hand some people say that USDs benefit from that lower CoG. But as Ari suggested, this weight difference has a minor effect, compared to stiffness difference.
@johnDukemaster
@johnDukemaster 7 лет назад
To mrvwbug44. Are you sure? That steel pipe is quite heavy compared to the slider. Just a thought. :-)
@lpmorgan90
@lpmorgan90 7 лет назад
Sprung weight is only affected once the weight drops lower than the centre of the wheels. Aka lower frame rails, crankcase, transmission etc... As far as the forks are concerned is 100% sprung weight
@dimosk7389
@dimosk7389 7 лет назад
+Moggy1000 anything that is moving along with the wheel is unsprung load. its not about the position of it. if you put a sack of potatoes on the front mudguard, the front wheel will have a really hard time to follow the road bumps, which makes handling worse. if you put that same sack of potatoes below the center of the wheel, it will have the same effect. it will still be an unsprung mass.
@aamir.khan.1991
@aamir.khan.1991 7 лет назад
+Ari Henning you missed mentioning the unsprung weight factor. But I guess it's effective, as you said, only at the limits on a track. I haven't really been able to differentiate USD vs RSU on road conditions. Anyway, good video as always. A lot of other channels should know that making such short, precise videos is how info videos should be. Not some 15 min long ramble before getting to the point. Take a bow Motorcyclist Magazine.
@elmeradams8781
@elmeradams8781 4 года назад
I agree with unsprung weight. The thicker part of the fork must weigh more.
@tvk9030
@tvk9030 Год назад
" Not some 15 min long ramble before getting to the point " I agree !
@michaeldamico9592
@michaeldamico9592 2 года назад
I love watching your videos…!!! This guy is judo full of helpful information…. and he explains his points very clearly…!!! AWESOME 😎
@neddyseagoon9601
@neddyseagoon9601 2 месяца назад
I had Suzuki GT250 engineered by the lads at college in 1977... Aside from engine and carb mods with some reed valves made and fitted, they machined the alloy legs, made triple trees to fit, and fitted twin disc mounts that they'd made... It revved to 10,500 instead of about 7,000 and seldom needed the very long 6th gear. The forks didn't leak at all... Just the usual slight sheen as seen on normal configuration... I finished it in matt black and white lettering and graphics. I loved that bike...
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 5 лет назад
This video changed my life 🙈
@flytoday
@flytoday 7 лет назад
I once owned a 1982 GSX1100 Katana and the forks would twist when you counter steered at highway speeds, it was the freakiest feeling as you would move the bars and then the wheel would follow 1/2 second later
@brufnus
@brufnus 6 лет назад
I think you had some issues with that particular fork then... I've had a GSX 1100 EF since 1988 (basically the same front fork, except for the PDF units instead of traditional anti dive units) - I've never had any (noticeable anyway) flexing of my fork because of this. The EF does have a stabilizer built into the front fender though; this might reduce the problem quite a bit, of course.
@rafhood6002
@rafhood6002 5 лет назад
Awesome video, and all i needed to know ! Thanks from Northern France.
@Stefan077777771
@Stefan077777771 6 лет назад
so much to learn from ur channel, love it!
@konainsaif
@konainsaif 7 лет назад
Idea for a video: slightly controvertial. Piston arrangement. V-Twin vs Boxer vs Parellel vs inline vs v-Twin (transverse). The question this video will be seek to answer is "how does piston arrangement affect how power is transferred to the road and why some companies have stuck to one arrangement while other take a more product by product approach". This originally occurred to me when the new Africa twin was launch and there was a small fraction of rider who expected it to be V-twin like the original and not parallel.
@angelocardoc
@angelocardoc 7 лет назад
I'd like to see +Ari Henning explaining something like this too. Crankshaft configuration and the benefits of each. 360° crankshafts, 180° crankshaft and 270° crankshaft V-engines, In-line engines and horizontally opposed.
@ahaaaaaaaaa
@ahaaaaaaaaa 7 лет назад
Saif , Dont forget the famous V4 and V5!
@ricksimpson2167
@ricksimpson2167 6 лет назад
Saif a parallel twin in my opinion beats a V-Twin any day much more smooth ER and faster revving. A four cylinder motorcycle twice as good as a 2 cylinder motorcycle but has disadvantage of its width and its weight!!! I really really really hate the. V twins
@templetours9
@templetours9 6 лет назад
I had a 650 v-twin it had more torque and fun than my current 750cc inline four. So am scratching my head, as am not as advanced as the tech gurus here ...
@swietymikolajbb
@swietymikolajbb 5 лет назад
Upside Down forks were conventional years ago so Right-Side Up are actually located upside down.. : )
@user-bl4xv4dx2t
@user-bl4xv4dx2t 5 дней назад
Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!
@fae2551
@fae2551 6 месяцев назад
Nice! Finally, no marketing bs explanation. Thanks mate!
@TheFireblade1000RR
@TheFireblade1000RR 7 лет назад
The gray Transformer on your left looks sad....
@sumnihang5469
@sumnihang5469 3 года назад
It's basically missionary and cowgirl😐️
@mantequillaop8262
@mantequillaop8262 2 месяца назад
You need a girlfriend dood
@gammaprysem
@gammaprysem 2 месяца назад
More like missionary vs doggystyle......i dont think i would ever want the front forks ontop of me while going down the road.
@markoilic7475
@markoilic7475 2 месяца назад
​@@gammaprysem Gooooooood analogy😂😂😂👌
@chrishart8548
@chrishart8548 2 месяца назад
Reverse cowgirl that's where its at
@RandomHui
@RandomHui 2 месяца назад
nah, that's cowgirl vs mating press
@sandorhajdu1129
@sandorhajdu1129 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the short and informative video!
@danielmcgrath9369
@danielmcgrath9369 4 года назад
As always,another excellent vid,well done.
@ur2slob724
@ur2slob724 7 лет назад
Please do a topic of 1 vs 2 vs 3 vs 4 cylinders
@u9Nails
@u9Nails 7 лет назад
Honda Valkyrie uses a flat 6 cylinder motor. And Honda once used a 5 cylinder motor (RC211V) in their MotoGP bikes. Add these to the review suggestion please!
@itubrrr
@itubrrr 7 лет назад
There isn't a versus, they all have different attributes in their engine configuration. who ever said there aren't dumb questions was probably a moron.
@drakez1983
@drakez1983 7 лет назад
cylinders basically is replacement of your foot and foot pedal on bicycle. for example in order to move the bike we need certain amount of force, e.g 1 torque. for 1 cylinder, it's like a bike having only 1 pedal, we must give 1 torque on single leg for single rotation. while on 2 cylinders, it's mean having 2 pedals, the weight distributed each cylinders, if bike need 1 torque to move, then each cylinder only need contribute half torque. on 3 cylinders, each cylinder contribute 1/3 torque. and last 4 cylinders, each cylinders contribute 1/4 torque. now if we reverse, let's say each cylinder on 4 cylinders contribute same amount of torque like on 1 cylinder, then the machine produce 4 times more torque than 1 cylinders. ofc, this is just simple math, we must count the structure of the crankshaft, the diameter of the cylinders, height of cylinder head, and so on. but basically, more cylinders mean more torque, not speed but torque.
@siontheodorus1501
@siontheodorus1501 6 лет назад
noface actually more cylinders provide more hp but not torque, few cylinder do produce more torque with the same displacement engine but with more cylinder. Because the engine with few cylinders have more stroke
@antdx316
@antdx316 4 года назад
@@siontheodorus1501 How come we just can't have an 8-cyl engine that goes to 20k RPM then? It would sound way better than anything else and the size of the pistons can be half that of a 4 cyl so the space can be nearly identical.
@techo61
@techo61 7 лет назад
3:12 What? Gravity ensures oil will run down on both fork types. Regardless of distance traveled, oil is just as likely to contaminate the brakes on both types of forks. You've totally missed the point in this issue; the conventional design has the inherent problem where water will find its way into the seal (again through gravity) and cause corrosion in the seal's steel support ring vulcanised inside the rubber. This in turn leads to more frequent leaks and replacement costs for the conventional forks. Every single bike restoration I've done on bikes with conventional forks has required replacement of leaking/corroded seals due to water ingress. This is a major advantage of the difference in design and the way you described the oil issue is irrelevant.
@pbkayakyer
@pbkayakyer 7 лет назад
techo61 Nice to see that I'm not the only one who knows that! That is a huge reason to have inverted forks!
@fatmansblog3629
@fatmansblog3629 5 лет назад
For this explanation you my friend earned a subscriber. Cheers
@Birky_41
@Birky_41 7 лет назад
Yep spot on. I remember racing suzuki mx bikes in the mid to late 1990s when they tried to run 50mm conventional forks to stop the flex. They were too big and bulky and it never took off USD look better but ultimately they really don't flex as much on track and it was noticed braking hard into corners or landing jumps when you could move you bar a bit but the wheel would stay straight
@Siper2
@Siper2 7 лет назад
Fork this, I'm out. :)
@TheBaj
@TheBaj 7 лет назад
That's all forks!...
@akupehsluarketatAR
@akupehsluarketatAR 7 лет назад
what the Fother forking fork!
@ryanm.191
@ryanm.191 7 лет назад
fork you all
@DrDre-sy2kv
@DrDre-sy2kv 7 лет назад
Fork u fother forking forks! ! !
@misters2837
@misters2837 7 лет назад
Fork the Forking Forkers....Why don't you go outside and play hide and go Fork Yourself!...Ah FORKIT... Absu-Forking-lutely or In-Forking-credible...
@Deontjie
@Deontjie 7 лет назад
Upside down forks has lower unsprung weight. But it is very difficult to service.
@bjorn1583
@bjorn1583 7 лет назад
how can it have less unsprung weight when the moving part is made of heavy gauge steel while on normal forks the moving part is made from light weight alloy
@theravedaddy
@theravedaddy 6 лет назад
I did the fork seal and bush on my crf250l in 10 minutes out in the countryside with only the honda toolkit and a discarded plastic bottle so yeah, theyre real hard to service
@roberthoard639
@roberthoard639 5 лет назад
Wrong steal is heavier than aluminium. Take a refresher course. Its all ball bearings these days.
@roberthoard639
@roberthoard639 5 лет назад
@@bjorn1583 it cant.
@elendshuraglump3620
@elendshuraglump3620 2 месяца назад
Very good explained. I am an average sporty driver and own some (classic) motocycles, some with upright forks, same with upsid-down forks. I never felt the difference between them ... best regards from Germany.
@joehoppard814
@joehoppard814 7 лет назад
These vids are great. Thanks, from London UK.
@TheGrundig81
@TheGrundig81 7 лет назад
SOHC vs DOHC. i have always been curious.
@muthukumar-qr4sh
@muthukumar-qr4sh 5 лет назад
Separate camshaft for inlet and exhaust valves
@slatteea
@slatteea 7 лет назад
Reduction in unsprung mass is also a huge benefit no??
@AMDBauer
@AMDBauer 7 лет назад
Yea ... i think its the biggest advantage of all
@JETZcorp
@JETZcorp 7 лет назад
Slatteea Not as big as you'd think. Because the upper part of the fork on either design bears the greatest load, both are designed to be heavier there than on the bottom. A USD fork has heavy sliders and light stanchions, while RSU forks have light sliders and heavy stanchions. Strong up top, light down below.
@slatteea
@slatteea 7 лет назад
JETZcorp I never thought about it that way!
@MaggotBrain762
@MaggotBrain762 7 лет назад
so high quality videos, congrats!!
@thommykent7785
@thommykent7785 7 лет назад
Nicely done videos. I enjoy watching them.
@drew79s
@drew79s 7 лет назад
This video is incorrect, pretty much end to end. The fork stiffness isn't the reason that USD forks are now preferred, nether is unsprung or sprung mass (both of which go up with USD forks) its because of fork bush loads. RWU forks simply used a larger diameter inner tube to improve stiffness, so the last performance bikes to use RWU forks used 46mm tubes not the almost universal 43mm that was transitioned to. RWU forks also only had an outer in the ballpark of 400mm long, from cast aluminium, which means that its substantially lighter than the nearly meter long piece of steel that is the inner tube, and thats before you take into account that the RWU outer also serves dual duty as a caliper mount bracket, whereas on USD there needs to be a complex bracket attached to the foot of the inner tube. So RWU are lighter than an equivalent USD for stiffness. The damping in the forks can also be exactly the same depending on what the manufacturer offers. The reason is because the distance between the fork bushes affects the loads that go through the bushes, because the fork carries a bending moment from any brake loads applied. This means that if you double the distance between the fork bushes you halve the friction, which substantially improves the damping performance of the fork under brakes. The whole "Set up and squeeze" technique of braking exists specifically because fork bushes load up and bind suspension, so if you don't gently apply the brakes then you won't have the suspension start travelling to a "settled" position before it gets locked out by loads. By comparison in USD forks the bushes are far less heavily loaded, and as a result you can be far more aggressive with brake onset and you'll also notice far better suspension performance under braking on the bike. This is critically important if you're doing any of your braking while you're tipping in, because the suspension effectively becomes stiffer due to the angle of the bike. Apart from anything else, USD forks are useful because they reduce the impact of poor brake application, panic braking... bikes end up skidding down the road because people grab un injudicious handful of brakes in an emergency, even when upright, this is why.
@akshaysinghgirdhar
@akshaysinghgirdhar 5 лет назад
Can u explain in detail regarding the point you mentioned about the reduction of friction..?..
@sciencemilitia1853
@sciencemilitia1853 5 лет назад
@@akshaysinghgirdhar He is not an engineer. I can tell that he also doesn't have much riding experienced compared to me. Im an engineer who has been racing motocross for over 10 years. On my vintage bike (not my main race bike), I rode with the stock conventional forks for one half of a season. I switched the forks out for a set of USD forks, and cornering drastically improved, regardless of braking. The front end was very bendy and vage feeling with the conventional forks. The USD forks made the bike corner just like a modern dirtbike. Even when you werent using the brakes. Braking was only barely effected when I switched to USD forks. The level of front end control now makes the old forks feel like wet noodles. No front wheel control EVER with conventional forks. With USD forks the front end does exactly what i tell it to.
@BigUriel
@BigUriel 5 лет назад
@@sciencemilitia1853 You start by saying the original poster is not an engineer but you are, and the proceed to just post up an opinion without any explanation to back it up other than "I *feel* it's better". An engineer would mention the different lengths, materials, diameters, the oil itself etc of the forks and how all these things can affect their performance, only after all those factors have been ruled out could you say anything abut the orientation of the forks making them better or worse and not one of those other factors. You're not an engineer.
@sciencemilitia1853
@sciencemilitia1853 5 лет назад
@@BigUriel The guy in the video already explained it all. Larger diameter tubes have higher bending strenth. That means less flex. When you compose the larger portion of the fork with the larger diameter tube, you get less total deflection (aka flex).
@makelaris1986
@makelaris1986 5 лет назад
mr.Drew the best explanation i have ever heard sir!
@samizdat113
@samizdat113 2 месяца назад
Don't discount un-sprung weight.
@arahyabayat1288
@arahyabayat1288 26 дней назад
It doesn't change when you count the weight of the internals
@robertanthonyfarrell
@robertanthonyfarrell 7 лет назад
thank you! I have always been baffled by this
@ltcjohnson1966
@ltcjohnson1966 7 лет назад
Nice, Ari. You do good work. I'm pleased that you didn't muddy the question by launching into an "unsprung weight" discussion, which might be useful to Jorge but for me, waaay to much. Thanks.
@laxwork
@laxwork 6 лет назад
"Why Are Inverted Forks So Good?" because that lose more often the oil (and once start lose had to get fixed) so you make more often money. Total more money!
@Hondeer
@Hondeer 7 лет назад
Wrong. 1: Inverted forks while yes have a larger clamp diameter are not torsionally stiffer. Length of Triple Clamp and axle interface determines this. This doesn't take into account internal bushing sliders and their play. However, 99.9% of people will never know. 2: Inverted vs Conventional internals are identical. Fox/Marzocchi/KYB have been like this for years. 3: They are also heavier even with the increase in diameter of the 'female' part and reduction of wall thickness. 4: Higher center of gravity = more inherently unstable. + or - depending on viewpoint. Actual Pros of inverted: ******Better small bump compliance due to reduced un-sprung weight. Most road riders will never know the difference. Off-road is where it takes precedent. ***Oil seals are immersed in oil entirely vs having them be 'splashed' like a conventional thus making them more plush from less stiction.
@ezdoesit8458
@ezdoesit8458 4 года назад
Greetings Mr. Henning all kidding aside and as always I do enjoy your clips. 100% accurate information, yet this clip is different. I merely point this out due to the volume of audience. 1. The slider is the chrome slider with the stanchion being the outter anodized capped tube. stan·chion /ˈstan(t)SH(ə)n/ noun noun: stanchion; plural noun: stanchions an upright bar, post, or frame forming a support or barrier It's providing support for the slider. 2. You most certainly will feel the difference. Keeping in mind the many bikes with standard forks which will easily due 100mph and inherently some folks will reach that speed and experience the watusi.
@TheEpyheart
@TheEpyheart 6 месяцев назад
thanks a lot for the simplest explanations
@_Aanand
@_Aanand 7 лет назад
simple but outstanding explaination
@TheThinker39
@TheThinker39 2 года назад
Thanks for this excellent explanation!
@aniellodicrisci
@aniellodicrisci 2 года назад
Thanks, really good explanation and simple
@markharrison5712
@markharrison5712 4 года назад
Way cool video !!! I was thinking about the dirt factor .
@sandymitchell8182
@sandymitchell8182 7 лет назад
cool!,something i always wanted to know,thanks for all the videos,much knowledge!!
@raghunandanpai
@raghunandanpai 7 лет назад
Wow, thanks these videos are really helpful for an automobile engineers
@jacobhiller6731
@jacobhiller6731 7 лет назад
Spot on explanation from an engineering standpoint.
@myriad860
@myriad860 7 лет назад
I love this channel, I learn so much.
@JDnBeastlet
@JDnBeastlet 5 лет назад
Thanks for the info. Another little bit of biking demystified.
@cliffleverett1982
@cliffleverett1982 5 лет назад
Thanks for the simple explanation.
@rustikarla3419
@rustikarla3419 3 года назад
Thank you, you explained it so well....
@eurodrift2498
@eurodrift2498 7 лет назад
superb finally came to know the difference
@nexorabolis
@nexorabolis 7 лет назад
Always wondered this, thanks guys :)
@extremeultralightaviation
@extremeultralightaviation 7 лет назад
great, informative video! Keep 'em coming!
@GURUKHAN_OG
@GURUKHAN_OG 3 года назад
Thanks for the info. You cleared the hype around this term. So I see why some reviewers just harp about upside down fork- they want to just sound more geeky! 😁
@ghulamfarooq3587
@ghulamfarooq3587 7 лет назад
hi ari. your videos are really helpful.
@stepseldinski
@stepseldinski 6 лет назад
Moving masses are smaller on an usd-fork. That makes the wheel a bit faster following the bumpy surface of the road. But that's also a thing you may only notice on racetracks :)
@nigelpstreet
@nigelpstreet 7 лет назад
This is SUCH A GOOD CHANNEL.
@GeoCherian
@GeoCherian 7 лет назад
Well put video.Please make a video on tips to stiffen conventional shock absorbers.
@nash7559
@nash7559 Год назад
I love u bro. I love bikes so much . So much so to the core. And u teach allot and I understand very well. Tq .
@gronkgrunk
@gronkgrunk 7 лет назад
Awesome vid as always!
@WoodstaS
@WoodstaS 7 лет назад
Thanks, I am a new rider and I was curious about this.
@mr.murphy5529
@mr.murphy5529 4 года назад
I like your videos, no bullshit str8 information no bs str8 to the point very informative
@br6489
@br6489 5 лет назад
Thanks. These videos are really helpful.
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