Righting a Cinematic Wrong: The Batman Saga That Should Have Been 

I've spent a lot of time thinking about what further Burton Batman movies would look like, great stuff! It would've been really cool if in Triumphant, there's a scene where Batman is under the influence of Scarecrow's fear toxin and Nicholson's Joker makes a brief appearance (as a hallucination of course) to have a little 'dark night of the soul' type conversation, when Batman is at a low point. Joker shows up to taunt him, question if Bruce is actually doing any good, etc., the usual stuff. He was this Batman's first villain AND the guy that killed his parents, so to get a minor appearance from him before the end would've been cool.

As much as I enjoyed Jim Carrey as the Riddler, casting Robin Williams to play a darker version of the character would’ve been great to see. Also, having Patrick Stewart as Mr. Freeze would have been amazing too! I too have a hard time picturing Billy Dee’s Harvey going Two-Face, so recasting things to have Walken in that roll is a good call too. Love this What-If scenario!

Not bad. I'm making my own Tim Burton Batman fanfic series. The first one I wrote and uploaded in 2019 had Chip Shreck and Professor Pyg as the main villains who don't team up. I know Pyg didn't exist back them but I thought it would be cool to include him and the Dollotrons in the Burtonverse. I also Introduced Barbara Gordon and Harvey Bullock way before the 89 comic series and brought back Michelle Pfeifer's Catwoman My second and ongoing fanfic had The Mad Hatter ( Martin Short) and Two Face ( Billy Dee) as the main villains including Hugo Strange ( Christopher Lee) in a recurring role as Jervis's psychiatrist while still obsessed with Batman sowing the seeds for Strange to be the main villain in the third fanfic/fifth movie. Also Introducing Robin in this story I'm doing

My personal casting choices for the Tim Burton saga Batman franchise (the villains I should say), so we already got Jack Nicholson as Joker (Batman 1989), and Danny DeVito as Penguin (Batman Returns)…so how about: -Robin Williams or Johnny Depp as Riddler -Billy Dee Williams as Two-Face -Patrick Stewart as Mr. Freeze -Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy -Sylvester Stallone or Kevin Nash as Bane -Brad Dourif, Jeff Goldblum, Nicolas Cage, or Steve Buscemi as Scarecrow -Rowan Atkinson or Mike Myers as Mad Hatter -Christopher Lee as Ra’s Al Ghul

Man your DVD collection adds a bunch to your authority on the matter.

Arnold Schwarzenegger as bane would have been amazing

My Casting Who Stays -Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman -Jack Nicholson - Jack Napier/The Joker -Kim Basinger - Vicki Vale -Billy Dee Williams - Harvey Dent/Two-Face -Michael Gough - Alfred Pennyworth -Pat Hingle - Commissioner James Gordon -Danny DeVito - The Penguin -Michelle Pfeiffer - Selina Ky;e/Catwoman -Chris O'Donnell - Dick Grayson/Robin My casting of the other villains -Robin Williams - Edward Nygma/The Riddler -Johnny Depp - Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow -Patrick Stewart - Victor Fries/Mr. Freeze -Nicole Kidman or Geena Davis -Palema Isley/Poison Ivy -Mike Myers - Jervis Tech/Mad Hatter -Kevin Nash - Bane -Madonna or Helena Bonham Carter - Harley Quinn -Christopher Lee or Christopher Plummer - Ra's Al Ghul -Catherine Zeta Jones - Talia Al Ghul Other characters -Rene Russo - Chase Meridan -Wynonna Ryder - Barbara Gordon/Batgirl

I enjoyed your elevator pitch universe so much I subscribed. Soon as you said Christopher Walken- Harvey Dent and Robin Williams - Edward Nigma

This sounds awesome. Here are my casting ideas: I’d keep the following - Michael Keaton as Batman/Bruce Wayne Jack Nicholson as Joker/Jack Napier Kim Basigner as Vicki Vale Michael Gough as Alfred Pennyworth Pat Hingle as Commissioner Gordon Danny DeVito as Oswald “The Penguin” Cobblepot Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman/Selina Kyle Chris O’Donnell as Robin/Dick Grayson (later Nightwing) My castings of the other villains/characters - Robin Williams as Riddler/Edward Nygma Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face/ Harvey Dent (and he would be serious, not a scenery-devouring villain) Patrick Stewart or Ralph Fiennes as Mr. Freeze/ Dr. Victor Fries Nicole Kidman as Poison Ivy/Pamela Isley Jim Carrey or Mike Myers as Mad Hatter/Jervis Tetch Brad Dourif or Johnny Depp as Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane Arnold Schwarzenegger as Bane Madonna as Harley Quinn Dustin Hoffmann or Ben Kingsley as Hugo Strange Christopher Lee as Ra’s Al Ghul Other characters: Billy Dee Williams as Lucius Fox Winona Ryder as Batgirl/Barbara Gordon

I almost 200% agree with your choices that this would have made a superb series of Batman films! ... But I'm still totally against Uma Therman as Pouson Ivy, and I think you need a new Raz AL Ghoul...Liam needs to stay in the Nolan universe, if he bled over it'd be disorienting. Really great retelling!

Good ideas. Knowing that Jeff Goldblum once played Ichabod Crane in a Headless Horseman movie, it fits.

Given the popularity of Deep Fake technology, I can see a video genius putting out these movies in a "fan version" opus. I'd buy them (if it was legal).

I like this version better than what we ended up getting, especially the cast. However, I prefer Harley Quinn to be one of the antagonists for Batman Unchained over The Mad Hatter.

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Wow, that would have been one of the best superhero sagas to date. Get this man to a warner brothers lot now!! I wish the true fans had more say in the movies. It's like the people writing the superhero movies are just in it for money and have no creative abilities.

Your ideas are better than what was made (until Batman Begins)

I had my casting picks Michael Keaton- Bruce Wayne/Batman Jack Nicholson- Jack Napier/The Joker Kim Basinger- Vicki Vale Billy Dee Williams- Harvey Dent/Two-Face Danny DeVito- Oswald Copplepot/The Penguin Michelle Pfeiffer- Selina Kyle/Catwoman Forever Robin Williams- Edward Nygma/The Riddler Brooke Shields- Chase Meridian Morris Chestnut- Robin Melanie Lynskey- Carter Morrison (in this universe she is the Burtonverse Batgirl in a sequel) B&R Patrick Stewart- Dr. Victor Fries/Mr. Freeze Sherilyn Fenn- Posion Ivy Melanie Lynskey- Carter Morrison (she becomes Batgirl in this universe) Robin Tunney- Barbara Gordon (she becomes Batwoman instead in unchained)

Well I always felt that Batman and Penguin should have been like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables and Scrooge McDuck and Flimheart Glumgold from Ducktales, I think that Killer Croc should have been in Batman Returns as he was a circus freak and lives in the sewers, Robin Williams would have been perfect for Riddler as his performance in one hour photo and Patrick Stewart as Mr Freeze too, I never thought of Mike Myers as the Mad Hatter. Well I did heard about the sequel trilogy to the Sam Raimi Spider-Man and imagine if Tim Burton made a Spider-Man

No matter how much some of us may have enjoyed Batman Forevor,I still would have loved for Tim Burton to finish his trilogy first and wrap up his veshion of the character....Or have Batman Forevor be darker like it was in the original cut and still have Michael Keaton ar Batman

It Sucks That the Tim Burton Movies did not Continue but The Flash is Coming out and The Flash will Run to the Michael Keaton Batman Universe Earth 89 maybe Hopefully we will get a Little bit on what Keatons Batman has Been Up to Since 92 Batman Returns.

I actually think the late Pee Wee Herman would've been great as Mad Hatter. Peter Weller as Mr Freeze and Robert England as Scarecrow.

I think a potential option for Dick Grayson/Robin in the Burton universe could have been Mike Vitar. He played Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in The Sandlot.

I think scarecrow under Tim burton would be awesome to see,he would've made him a scary character,like imagine the effects of the fear gas under burton's direction. ,I think either julian richings or Jeff goldblum would be a great scarecrow and also mike myers as mad hatter would be hilarious but fun.also patrick stewart would be an awesome mr freeze.

I also always thought that the Circus Gang should have been Joker goons and Joker idolizers, similar to the Jokerz from Batman Beyond. They could have continued on as goons for Two-Face and others, explaining where these goons came from.

Great stuff. But I keep Billy D as Harvey and have him replace Max Schreck in Returns. I'd keep your ending where Catwoman creates 2face at the end. Some day AI will make all this possible.

Lol, I just looked up what Christopher Walken was doing in 88’ and 89’, and he should’ve definitely been in Batman. He was being wasted in things like Puss in Boots (1988) and Communion (1989). Just being wasted in these forgettable productions. Batman 89 was still early Burton, the studio had more control, so I can see how he wouldn’t have a lot of control over casting.

Uma Thurman's taller than Michael Keaton

I agree with you 100%, I think they should have kept Burton for all of them

What the Batman 89 franchise needed was me in it.

Have you seen the fanscription video *What if Tim Burton Directed Batman Forever?* It has robin williams as riddler

I just realized Jeff Goldblum would have made an Amazing Norman Osborne/Green goblin 🤪

You didn’t mention if you would keep Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl/ Barbara Gordon or if you would’ve recast the role.

I like it. But also, Joker doesn't die. Have him be in Arkham and Crane's collegue, Harleen Qunizel, be corrupted by him and be a bigger bad than Mad Hatter. I don't think Hatter would have worked as the main bad guy in an installment. Keep Myers in there, but 2nd fiddle to a resurgent Joker. Also, have Crane be a product of Joker's influence. Maybe even have his serum turn out to be a derivitive of Smile-X.

That would be an awesome saga but the only person i would change is christopher walken harvey dent to someone like john hamm

eh no Picard as Mr freeze why not have Michael Ansara the voice of freeze in the animated series to play freeze in live action, he still could've easily pulled it off at his age in the mid to late 90s!

I don't think Jeff Goldblum would make a good psychiatrist. Maybe it's just Jurassic Park talking, but he seems far too soft-spoken and (whatever word is just short of "winey", if that makes any sense.) to fit the role. He's famous, I would think, for his "life finds a way" line, but the rest of his speech sounds almost like "Mommy, why aren't they listening to me?" Except for his time in JP1 after he gets injured. But before that and afterward in the sequels, his way of talking makes him the weakest character, I think. If you're going for Jurassic Park characters, I'd go with Richard Attenborough (John Hammond). He has a much more Grandfatherly/friendly uncle persona and would be much more believable in the role.

Jim Carrey as the riddler, two face and Batman and Robin is too much bad

Geena Davis as Poison Ivy

you got some very solid ideas hmm maybe i could use you for a project i been working on that is if you want to

I didn’t like the Christopher walked as Harvey dent overall really well done

I liked everything but the inclusion of Ra's A Ghul. Dr. Crane could easily be the mastermind without shoehorning in Ra's.

I can see Robin doing it, this was a role he was supposed to get but he was screwed over.

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Would have be very interesting

One of the positive about Batman forever is Batman never took a punch from a villain on batman forever he took 1 kick and 1 bullet cut by two face 1997 Batman Batman never really took a punch or a kick from any villain unless it was Mr freeze

I agree with your choices

i would have loved this saga, i think you could have squeezed Harley Quinn into it, though and maybe the joker but thats just me. Still this is a good take

Good mate, I like.

Batman and Robin is awful, but it wasn't even the worst DC movie of 1997 that was Steel. & Honestly it didn't destroy Superhero Movies given Blade came out in 1998 and X-Men in 2000.

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I will forever die on this hill, but Batman and Robin didn't destroy the superhero genre. Considering that Blade came out the next year, and that ushered in a new wave of comic book movies where people realized that superheroes can be taken seriously (which led to X-Men and Spider-Man getting greenlit), B&R didn't do anything. More accurately, B&R *temporarily* destroyed the Batman franchise, yes, but thanks to B&R being terrible, it stopped any shit sequels getting made AND we got Batman Begins and the Nolan trilogy. So, ironically, B&R did more right than wrong because it showed what not to do.

Batman Forever didn't start out as a Tim Burton project. It was always Joel Schumacher's baby. And Max Shreck was never Harvey Dent.

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Batman stories are dark they must be told a certain way and Riddler traps could have been included in the movie also Two Face should not been comical it's not his style alright find the ones able to play roles not just look as they do in books or animated cartoon series .

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Michael Keaton was terrible as Bruce Wayne. Should have cast somebody else.