What If Tim Burton Directed Batman Forever? 

What if Tim Burton Directed Batman and Robin?

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@@SPIDERAVENGER616 yeah like I felt like the Man in the shadow should have Norman Osborn since it’s feels like it was building up to him than Harry and Electro

Oh, I didn't notice that, awesome!

@@ninjabluefyre3815 me neither!!!

and his mother is Lorraine Bracco, and the version of her he is using is from Goodfellas

Thanks for pointing that out

Eh who cares

This is nonsense. Robin Williams as The Riddler would not be the One Hour Photo/Insomnia Robin Williams. He would be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film. And it was Joel Schumacher who wanted Robin Williams as The Riddler, and The Batchlers wrote The Riddler with Williams in mind. Williams read the screenplay for Batman Forever and he loved it. Due to a salary dispute, they made an offer to Jim Carrey and Williams found out about it when he read it in the trades, according to Ben Wan (The man who knows too much about Batman) and Andrew Bush on Superhero Stuff You Should Know.

@@evanzaremba4722 Screw you, this would've been a million times better. This movie still would've been crap no matter who played Riddler and "One Hour Photo/Insomnia Robin Williams" would've been absolutely perfect. You apparently don't seem to understand that this show doesn't care about real-life circumstances and simply tries to make the best possible story.

@@dylanmaldet6643 Channel Awesome doesn't know about real-life circumstances, but they will. I believe what Ben and Andrew said on their podcast, because they interview the people that worked on the Batman movies, including movement double Carl Newman, Tim Flattery, and many others.

@@evanzaremba4722 Nobody cares about real-life crap like that. They make this show and I watch this show for purposes of entertainment and I don't appreciate you spoiling our fun with with all this needless nitpicking.

@@dylanmaldet6643 yeah I spoiled the fun, but I always tell the truth.

It gives me the “One Hour Photo” and “Insomnia” vibes. It shows that those movies proved that Williams can have a dark side to his performances than comedy

At times it sounds like David Hyde Pierce to me!

He's not scary. He doesn't fit the Burton Batman world. Johnny Depp is. Robin Williams was a stand-up guy. Of course he did dramatic things and thriller things, but he doesn't fit in the Burton Batman world.

@@gordontims1999 he's actually Joel Schumacher's original choice for The Riddler before Jim Carrey was cast. If you get into the Burton Batman 3 rumors, somebody's gonna kick your ass. You got it?

@@booers79 don't believe in the internet these days.

How else would you have seen it? You would’ve paid regardless, to watch the movie. Idiot…

Same but ofcorse with Robin Williams dead unfortunately it might not happen

A comic of this version of the movie could be made

​@@dreademperor2094 True :3

@@dylanthebiguy yep

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Beats Edward! Ooooooh!

Robin Williams would have been the perfect riddler

@@BarbadosBeerFestival Agreed... Darker with the jokes instead of cartoonish like Carrey... People in poverty have this. If you eat this you will die. What is it?

Haha... I didn't catch that. Brilliant.

That goes for all media franchises

I also bet you was nerds can make better merchandise than them

BIG FACTS!!

Difference between being made and being owned. If the maker retained their ownerships in some cases!

In the Back to the Future Part IV Fanscription, a deleted scene reveals Doc also mailed letters to Ivan Reitman and Tim Burton to assure the Fanscription versions of Ghostbusters II and Batman Forever were made.

That was actually Joel Schumacher's attempt to get Michael Keaton and Robin Williams in the film, because he already had Tommy Lee Jones.

@Takeo Masaki you?

The Keaton voice does need a bit of work but whoever did Robin Williams Riddler did a fantastic job. Malcolm also did a terrific job as Two Face. It's both terrifying and tragic. It's how Two Face/Harvey Dent should be. It's definitely a huge improvement over Tommy Lee Jones's silly pathetic excuse of a Two Face in Schumacher's version of Batman Forever. It's just how I imagined Billy Dee Williams as Two Face if he returned.

@@Paul91- I don't care. That was too dark.

@@Paul91- yea the breathing after every word is cringe

Actually, it doesn't exist. It was Joel Schumacher who wanted Robin Williams for The Riddler. Lee and Janet Scott Batchler wrote The Riddler with Robin Williams in mind, and he would be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film. Due to a salary dispute, the role went to Jim Carrey.

@@evanzaremba4722 well Who else would have been the riddler in this Johnny Depp?

@@minekurtmininer216 yup. Because Tim Burton had worked with Johnny Depp before.

@@evanzaremba4722 aside that It's too obvious and plus maybe Robin Williams would have been awesome, especially if he did something Dark and gritty

@@minekurtmininer216 nope. He wouldn't be the One Hour Photo/Insomnia Robin Williams. He'll be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film, played by Jim Carrey. Check out The unmade versions of The Riddler: Who is Lyle Heckondorf on Superhero Stuff You Should Know. That's what I'm explaining to you.

I love Malcom, he should do audiobooks or something lmao.

I think it's better than what Billy Dee Williams would have done.

Facts really captivating!

Just my opinion.. But i think it's generic and sounds the same in every character he does..

@@duarteguedes1709 no bro. Malcolm’s voice as Two-Face is absolutely haunting and dare I say, badass! Malcolm really should do a cartoon series where he is able to voice act as a villain!

If this guy directed batman and robin it would be more than watchable

@@rohannaval1621 It would be, a masterpiece. Not as high as the Dark Knight or Batman TAS, but a masterpiece.

To start with Arnold Schwarzenegger would be no where near that movie. As much as I like many of his movies that was the worst casting of all time.

I honestly would love to see them tackle this. These videos have been a great watch.

@@marks2807 Alan Rickman should have been Freeze and Bane should have been cut out and saved for the next movie with The fake, 90s Batman maybe.

Yeah infinitely better than the actual film. Best rewrite ever

It really feels like a sequel to the first two movies

@@Ian-hj4yt Yeah. I mean, they went from a bit goofy to be sure, but a bit more adult version, which in some ways felt like a longer version of a joker episode of the animated series, to something a complete satire of itself with the next 2 films... Adam west version was fine, but it was intentionally stupid and silly because that's the market they were aiming for was kids. People loved the animated and Michael Keaton films because it didn't treat us like kids anymore.. They gave us depth of character and plot intrigue. That gave way to just more silliness immediately. Which is a shame too because Mr. Freeze in tge animated series won academy awards for it's voice work and animation.

@@Deadchannel1737 Totally. Not everything is supposed to be kid friendly. Seriously, who would let their kids watch south park just because it's 'animated?' I love the darker stuff. (Darker as in more serious and not campy) Yeah, the second batman film (first Keaton film) had some camp to it, but it took itself serious enough to appreciate the adult audience as well. Like An American Tale. Yeah, it was technically for kids, but jeez. That no cars in America song had a lot of broken up bits of tragic moments in it, and all the places Fivel ended up going to had a lot of depressing themes. But that's what I enjoyed about it. Like Doug says at the beginning of the dark toons episodes, it made me feel more grown up having watched it because of all that stuff he went through. Give us more mask of the phantasm showing Bruce essentially punishing himself thinking he foesn't deserve any joy in his life after losing his parents. Give us more of the conflict between Flagg and Peacemaker in The Suicide Squad squaring of the questioning whether it's right or wrong to hide info from the masses for the sake of temporary peace between nations. I absolutely love stuff like that.

@@Deadchannel1737 great examples

I agree. I want a real movie like this

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Fun Fact: Tim Burton was actually okay with the idea of having Joel Schumacher direct Batman Forever. Heck, he even *chose* Joel Schumacher to direct Batman Forever.

@@srstriker6420 there's also the curse of the bat nipples

@@TummaDemoni haha

I agree.

It wasn’t gonna be called Batman Forever had Tim Burton directed it. It was gonna be called Batman Continues 😉

I'm not.really.feeling Robin Williams as Riddler however, wasn't his casting in Forever only a rumor anyway?

@@LordMalice6d9 no it wasn’t. He was already cast as Riddler just like Billy Dee Williams was set to be Twoface and Michael Keaton was cast to be Batman etc. the whole cast was ready to go and Tim Burton was gonna direct it. But that version was called off do to McDonald’s feeling “Uncomfortable” after the previous film Batman Returns being too graphic with the Penguin puking up green slime, they couldn’t sell happy meal toys like that so Warner Bros told Burton to step down as director and when they replaced him with Joel Schumacher, the whole cast was replaced also. Robin Williams was pissed, because he was already gonna be Joker in Batman 1989 but was replaced with Jack Nicholson

@@nsasupporter7557 actually, it wasn't Burton who want to do a third film, though he had ideas, WB doesn't want him to do another one. So he hired Schumacher to direct, because I watch Schumacher's interview and he said to Charlie Rose that he would do it if Burton wanted him to do it. And I listen to an interview with The Batchlers that it was Schumacher who wanted Michael Keaton to come back as Batman, before Val Kilmer was cast. And Schumacher already knew he wanted Tommy Lee Jones for Two-Face, which it had happened, and it was not Tim Burton who wanted Robin Williams for The Riddler, it was Joel Schumacher who wanted Robin Williams to play The Riddler before Jim Carrey was cast.

@@nsasupporter7557 it's just a made-up title. Don't believe in the internet these days. If you believe in the internet still, I'll kick your ass if you do such a thing.

Not necessarily. HighTop Films did a really extensive breakdown of some of the things that Schumocker went through while making Forever. There exists a director's cut of practically a whole different movie. Turns out that WB/DC had been screwing over directors loooooooong before Snyder and Whedon. Truthfully they've been doing it since Richard Donner, but I digress. lol

You say this like it wasn’t already a masterpiece (I’m mostly joking)

@@OgIKidd yeah but let’s face it, it sucks that arguably the most interesting Bruce Wayne is Michael Keaton. In both movies he’s very quiet but carries this presence of such emotional baggage without ever sulking up about it.

@@OgIKidd and unlike Tim Burton, Joel Schumacher was a die hard Batman fan and had wanted to continue Burton’s style in the third film, but Warner Bros. was still dealing with the backlash and controversy of Batman Returns and they wanted heavily pushed to make Batman Forever “toy-etic” according to Schumacher. In fact it was a similar instance that cause Tim Burton to depart from his canceled Superman film. On Howard Stern he talked about how Warner Bros. was already badgering him about what the characters where gonna look like for the toys, t-shirts etc. but nobody had been cast.

@@OgIKidd and actually what happened with Richard Donner/Superman 2 was not really DC’s fault or even Warner Bros. for that matter. It was more producers Alexander & Ilya Salkind and Pierre Spangler that made the film “production hell” for Donner and where constantly at each other’s throats. They constantly told Donner he was “over budget” but they never gave him a budget and that he was “over scheduled” but was never given a schedule. It got to the point where Donner had to ban all three from the set. Finally when it came to finishing Superman 2, they fired him. In fact writer Tom Mankiewicz joked “If the first film had bombed, the Salkinds [producers] would’ve made Dick come back to finish the second one as punishment.”

That line puzzled me. Sure, Batman "created" the Joker. But Oswald Cobblepot's parents created the Penguin. Max Shreck created Catwoman. And - in this version, at least - the Penguin created Two-Face. Why does Bruce feel he has to take all the blame?

“A BAT CREDIT CARD!!! I’LL KILL YOU, I’LL KILL YOU!!!!” *Gun shots go off*

@@SeasideDetective2 The guilt is that Batman believes his very presence is causing all this suffering. If this crusade is to make things better, why are things getting worse?

A pregnant catwoman?

@@callumjames7854 You can stop with the Bat Credit Card Joke now. Linkara had put that joke to *Rest....in.....Peace.........(Undertaker's Theme plays in the background)*

And he's actually Joel Schumacher's original choice for The Riddler before it went to Jim Carrey.

@@evanzaremba4722 STOP acting like you're better than everyone else and stealing other people's art on DA and putting them up as if they're your own, THEN people would respect you. NOT A GOOD LOOK

@@JTurner-xg5ukJust leave it man. I get you’re frustrated but it isn’t worth it.

@@crazyalarmstudios2012 I know, it's just that I'm sick of seeing this ego stroking motherfucker 'correcting' people while in reality. He's showing his ass to the entire world and being the biggest dickhead of all dickheads

Jokers last words were ironically " feel free to drop in"

Double correction: The Joker's were "Sometimes I just kill myself!", though it did sound like to me, he might've said "Woah" just before falling (Nonetheless, I still think the former is great for his last line).

@@ruminatingreptilian5907 my bad

It’s kind of ironic if you think about it because most of there last words have to do with there deaths and past events they’ve experienced Joker said have a nice fall then fell to his death getting the last laugh because of the laughing bag Penguin said he needs a cold drink of ice water then when he dies his penguins put him in the very cold water Then riddler said do you see me now old man. You will… mostly because of his past abuse with his father

He just got burned.

Priceless

The original writing is way better than what they mysteriously decided to keep from the Schumacher Movie despite totally changing the story so many lines do no longer make sense ("what man has a bat on his mind" came directly from Nygma seeing Bruce's "subconscious thoughts")

Batman and Robin next

Agreed

@@questworldiangreenknight7455 Worlds Finest Batman and Superman. We need more Joker in here! XD

Yea that and robin williams

I thought he sounded more like Adrian Pasdar, who at one point could have made for a pretty good Batman.

He won't. And he would definitely see the Schumacher Cut of Batman Forever.

@@evanzaremba4722bro- stop being a dick XD

​@evanzaremba4722 what's the Schumacher cut like?

It’s crazy that this version of the Riddler is capable of actually fighting

That's why this version is much better.

He could be lying to protect Bruce's secret. They are, were maybe, best friends.

Well, “Hole-y”

@The Braided Warrior They knew exactly what they were doing. Paying homage to the 60's tv show.

"The fuck did you just say, Robin?"

And you know that it doesn't exist.

@@evanzaremba4722 Dude stop being a jerk

@@minekurtmininer216 I'm serious. You better check out The Myth of Tim Burton's Batman 3: Batman Continues Debunked.

@@evanzaremba4722 Idc it's not cool if you debunk someone's opinion

@@minekurtmininer216 you see, Burton's Batman 3 were just rumors. Batman Forever didn't start out as a Tim Burton project. It was always Joel Schumacher's baby. Burton's only involvement with Forever is to hire his friend Schumacher to direct and he help hiring Lee and Janet Scott Batchler to write the screenplay.

Yes

Hear me out... If they made a CGI film of this, Jamie Costa could voice the Riddler because he does a spot on impression of Robin Williams

I miss Robin Williams, he was everyone's favorite uncle, and the world is a little dimmer since he passed. I hope he has found peace where ever he wound up, RIP Robin Williams, we miss you.

The Robin Williams imitation here was perfect! In fact, given how dark this version is, I'd want him to be even funnier! (Not Jim Carrey funnier, mind you, but still funnier.)

I can't help but make the comparison between this potential version of the Riddler and Heath Ledger's Joker, in that they were both amazing actors, who took a character who was largely associated with camp and made them both Oscar worthy and utterly terrifying to watch

It Toy R Us

@@wokenlunatic2849 Well damn, that changes everything then...

@@OGdadpool yep (I missed Toy R Us) it was awesome

They could have had Williams write his own lines.

Agreed

Joel Schumacher was to make Batman Forever with Michael Keaton and Robin Williams, since he had Tommy Lee Jones already. There's a salary dispute between Keaton and Williams and they insist having both Val Kilmer and Jim Carrey.

Thought the same thing, not over the top. Very well done enjoyed every second

Robin Williams would be a great Riddler! Shame he's not with us 😢

Always remember him in Flubber and as Genie.

True

It is, but at some parts especially in the earlier bits i can't help but think it sounds a LOT like Cary Elwes in Princess Bride too.

Yeah IKR

Agreed

@Christopher Cravens WOW REALLY

Carrey's depiction of E. Nygma lacks originality compared to Williams.

A GREAT Riddler

And that sucks.

@@evanzaremba4722 Ehh, not as much as you acting like a know-it-all asswipe. Then again, your mother left you to your own devices. Sad really, STOP STEALING PEOPLE'S ART AND ACTING LIKE AN ASS IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO LIKE YOU :)

@@evanzaremba4722bro no it don’t-

@@godzillaslayer5817 That's your opinion. Not mine.

@@evanzaremba4722 maybe like you have your own opinion you should get your own art instead of stealing it

Actually, he would be a comedic Riddler.

@@evanzaremba4722bro your still here?-

@@godzillaslayer5817 yeah, to correct all of you.

@@evanzaremba4722 annoying-

@@godzillaslayer5817 I hope you just said that, but I'm the one who knows the truth.

Exactly

@@srstriker6420 I’m glad that all 3 of us agree.

@@MrBlueSkyof1607 yes and you too

For some reason I think Steve buscemi would've been a great choice for riddler. I know it's a strange choice. But still

@@liamearly4883 I see him more as the Mad Hatter then the Riddler

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Jimmy Carey killed the rest of the movie was okay

Actually, he would be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film. The Batchlers, along with director Joel Schumacher, had the Batman Forever script tailored to Robin Williams and his comedic delivery before it went to Jim Carrey.

He might have been more comedic since Robin William was infamous for ad-libbing and changing his lines, so he might have been more comedic.

@@chadpeterson5698 he's more comedic.

The Riddler in Tim Burton's Batman world would be Johnny Depp. Besides, it was Joel Schumacher who wanted Robin Williams for The Riddler. Lee and Janet Scott Batchler wrote The Riddler with Robin Williams in mind. He would be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film. Due to a salary dispute, the role went to Jim Carrey and Williams found out about it when he read it in the trades.

@@evanzaremba4722 I also heard Burton wished for Steve Buscemi.

@@MrBlueSkyof1607 that's also a rumor. Burton had never used Riddler in his films. Because he's into German expressionism. His friend Schumacher used Riddler in his films, because he wanted it to be a living comic book.

It’s a genuinely funny line tho. Sucks that it was in the film we got 😂

Alfred: "Have it Your Way, Master Wayne."

It’s refreshing to see something new!!!😃😃😃

Glad you enjoyed it!!

@@ChannelAwesome We’ll enjoy Tim Burton’s Batman & Robin just as much 😉 For real, though; this one was something special.

I really think Tim Burton's BATMAN FOREVER would be best if it opened with the Arkham scene. That was great! Although I'd prefer the message written in blood not be "THE BAT MUST DIE" but "THEY ALL WILL PAY." It would leave a bit of mystery as to who "they" are. And then we'd find out that Two-Face was targeting the Mayor and all the other city officials, just like in the Nolan films and in this very FanScription.

Oh hey i was just talking to the guy who made this edit. He's making a new one

How do I watch

A loophole black hole.

Chances are Edward forced the creator to sign over the rights and then bombed him.

@@TRTMN-vs3ew Maybe.

@@TRTMN-vs3ew or the original creator of the riddler was already long dead and nygma saw it as an opportunity to use the name for himself and since the original creator was already dead hey free real estate on the name

There was never a villain called the riddler. In the story it’s a name of a jester clown type person. Edward Nygma is the only bad guy who called himself the riddler.

And he would be a comedic Riddler.

​@@evanzaremba4722 dude shut up

Is CBM cinematic Batman movie

@@kayden5724 Comic Book Movie

@@michaelhartman683 ohhh okay thank you

Billy Dee Williams was Two Face in The Lego Batman Movie

Robin Williams was actually Joel Schumacher's original choice for The Riddler in Batman Forever. These Burton Batman 3 rumors are nonsense. Schumacher talked to Williams about playing The Riddler back in 1993, before Jim Carrey was cast.

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Batman Forever was still fun to watch. It wasn’t good but it was still worth the watch in my opinion.

@@mattway18 Better than Batman and Robin, for sure.

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I think batman forever is good. Bruce Wayne and Duck Grayson have a good arc

The Scarecrow could've had parts in this story, such as his Smilex-like drugs being the reason behind Dent's evil side.

Actually, he doesn't fit the Burton Batman world. Johnny Depp is, because Burton work with Depp on Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride, Sweety Todd, Alice in Wonderland, and Dark Shadows. Tim Burton's friend Joel Schumacher actually talk to Robin Williams about playing The Riddler, because he, like Schumacher, was a Batman fan, and he said that playing The Riddler would be very nify, and The Batchlers wrote it with his voice in mind. Williams read the screenplay and he wanted to do it. Due to a salary dispute, the role went to Jim Carrey (The Cable Guy). Williams found out about it when he was reading the trades.

@@evanzaremba4722 and I think two face looks scary and dark looking

@@darthmalins4950 to you? Yes. But to me? No. Joel Schumacher doesn't want Billy Dee Williams as Two-Face. He found him too heroic like Clark Gable. That's why he cast Tommy Lee Jones in the role, because I read Schumacher's interview in an old magazine article from 1995.

And it could still be used for the commercials lol

It just works!

And that sucked.

@@evanzaremba4722 HATER.

@@jeraldmcclainofficial6005 nothing is better than Joel's version. Because I watched Joel's version, and I loved it. I read all four drafts of the screenplay for Batman Forever by the Batchlers and Akiva Goldsman and I loved all four of them. And I read the comic adaptation and I loved it.

@Evan Zaremba Oh yeah, "Batman Forever" (1995) is one if my favorites in the original franchise. In fact, I didn't like "Batman Returns" (1992) because it was basically "Edward Scissorhands" (1990) in a Batsuit. Anyway, what I liked about this version was that whoever did the Michael Keaton and Robin Williams voices were so on point that my mind thought it was watching a real movie.

@@jeraldmcclainofficial6005 since Joel Schumacher already had Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face, he thought he was going to make Batman Forever with Michael Keaton as Batman, Rene Russo as Chase Meridian, and Robin Williams as The Riddler. When Val Kilmer, Nicole Kidman, and Jim Carrey joined the project, it's a good thing. And yeah, Batman Forever is my second all-time favorite Batman movie behind Batman 89, and Joel did a wonderful job working on Forever.

fuck yeah, and even channel Awesome screwed it up for us.....

Robin as The Riddler this fanscription proves he would have been an outstanding riddler

It really would've been the oldest cast ever assembled for Batman...beginning with Batman

If Schumacher had made another Batman film, it was going to be called "Batman Triumphant". The main villain was going to be Scarecrow, and he was going to somehow resurrect the dead Joker.

Agreed

That would’ve been a good street record for him Lando Calrissian and two face i’d call dad a good career

You doubted the guy who played a two face buddy of Solo?

@Marcelo Medeiros because Warner Bros wanted those four to play Batman. And both Kilmer and Bale are my two favorites.

@Marcelo Medeiros yes. You like them like me. We had a lot in common.

@Marcelo Medeiros same here.

Actually, it was Joel Schumacher who wanted Robin Williams to play The Riddler in Batman Forever. Lee and Janet Scott Batchler wrote The Riddler with Robin Williams in mind, since they already had Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face. In the first two drafts written by the Batchlers, they gave Riddler the name of Lyle Heckendorf, not Edward Nygma. His company was not NygmaTech. His name was Lyle Heckendorf. So the name of the company was HeckTech. And Joel came up with a scene that was not in the final film where Lyle stalks Bruce Wayne and Chase Meridian at the circus, where they're about to see the Graysons die, and in order to get closer to Bruce, Lyle stole clothes from a fortune telling leprechaun, which form the basis of the Riddler outfit. And in the same script, he has magenta hair. The Batchlers knew somebody who had worked with Robin and knew Robin that somebody talked to him about it. He read the script. He loved it. He wanted to do it. And his agency said, "Don't worry. They'll have to come to you. Nobody else in town who does what you do." And his management said to Warner Bros., "If Michael Keaton is getting $15 million and the percentage of the gross and the percentage of merchandising, we'll be asking for our client too?" And Warner Bros. have a heavy heart and said "Alright, forget the percentage of the gross, we're spending $30 million on the two actors and we didn't start filming until September. Let's think about recasting." And they made an offer to Jim Carrey that we get, and Robin found out about it when he read it in the trades. It also said that WB used Robin to trick Jack Nicholson into playing The Joker in the 1989 Batman film.

Sir Patrick Stewart as Mr. Freeze.

Next up

What if Burton directed the original TV series

So much yes

If Patrick Stewart played Freeze, who should play secondary antagonist? Poison Ivy or Bane? If Bane, I think Danny Trejo would be great, especially after Desperado and From Dusk 'Til Dawn!

I don't think so. He would be a comedic one, because Robin Williams was a stand-up guy. Joel Schumacher asked Robin Williams to play The Riddler, before Jim Carrey was cast. Check out an interview with Schumacher on Charlie Rose and an interview with The Batchlers on Superhero Stuff You Should Know.

You should watch One Hour Photo or Insomnia.

@@Aaron-zt5ee I did watch Insomnia, but like I said: Robin Williams would be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film.

@@evanzaremba4722 I was replying to the OP since they were interested in seeing Williams in a villainous role.

@@Aaron-zt5ee WB used Williams as bait to trick Jack Nicholson into the role of The Joker in 1989's Batman. Then Joel Schumacher asked Williams to play The Riddler in Batman Forever, and Lee and Janet Scott Batchler wrote The Riddler with Robin Williams in mind. According to an interview with The Batchlers on Superhero Stuff You Should Know, it was due to a salary dispute. Williams wanted too much money with Michael Keaton, and Warner Bros and Schumacher decided to go with Jim Carrey instead.

No, because Batman Forever never started out as a Tim Burton project. It was always Joel Schumacher's baby, according to Ben Wan (The Man Who Knows Too Much About Batman) and Andrew Bush on Superhero Stuff You Should Know. And according to their interview with Lee and Janet Scott Batchler, Tim Burton's only involvement with Batman Forever was to hire his friend Joel Schumacher as director, and helping out hiring the Batchlers to write the screenplay, and that's why in the opening credits of Batman Forever, Burton was credited as producer. And there's the Batman 89 comic in hardcover, but were based on unused ideas that Sam Hamm had for the first two Batman films.

I love the Billy Dee Williams impersonation.

I'm both. Being aware it's bad but also enjoying it still.

honestly if it weren't for this film and batman & robin, we wouldn't have gotten the dark knight trilogy

@@xavierramirez1911 you say that like it's a good thing.... Bale was the least accurate Batman ever put to screen, as was every character in those films except maybe two-face and catwoman.

@@SA80TAGE i say it like its a good thing because, well, it pretty much is lol. and what exactly makes bale's batman inaccurate? the fact that its more grounded and realistic which was literally the whole point? cuz im pretty sure clooney's batman was not accurate to any batman comic whatsoever.

@@xavierramirez1911 Actually the fact it's more grounded and realistic is exactly what makes it inaccurate... Batman doesn't just take on normal mob bosses and crazy clowns you know, ever heard of ClayFace? Man-Bat? Killer Croc? Poison Ivy? Seems you are the one that misses the point. Batman is not realistic just because he doesn't have powers you know, the point of Batman is that he is a regular (albeit peak condition) human going up against mutant monsters, aliens, demons, gods. Oh and not only was Clooney the only live action Batman that never actually killed anyone in his movie, his movie is basically a homage to the 60's era of comics and tv show... so yeah, even he is more accurate than Bale😂👍

Agreed

Same!! Even better than Jim Carrey!!

Care if I go with to that universe.

Actually, it was Joel Schumacher who wanted Robin Williams for The Riddler. Lee and Janet Scott Batchler wrote The Riddler with Robin Williams in mind, and he would be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film. Due to a salary dispute, the role went to Jim Carrey. As for Two-Face, Schumacher doesn't want Billy Dee Williams for it, because he found him too heroic like Clark Gable. That's why he cast Tommy Lee Jones in the role. And it was Schumacher who wanted Michael Keaton to come back as Batman before Val Kilmer was cast.

*The studio chose to make campy Batman films. People give Schumacher too much shtick, it was the studio that wanted a lighter tone.

@@yortlebluzzgubbly3871 we can blame McDonald’s for Batman forever, sadly.

batman 89 was pretty campy though

@@twitch1986mp3 that's right. Jack Nicholson shows a powerful presence as a powerful actor. He's a good Joker.

@@yortlebluzzgubbly3871 that was Tim Burton who hired Joel Schumacher to direct the third film. Because Schumacher can't make this movie without him, because they're friends.

And Joel Schumacher is the one who wanted Robin Williams as The Riddler, since they already had Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face. Lee and Janet Scott Batchler wrote The Riddler with Robin Williams in mind. And Williams would be the same over the top/flamboyant Riddler as was in the final film. Robin read the screenplay for Batman Forever and he loved it. Due to a salary dispute, the role went to Jim Carrey.

Obviously, WB used Robin Williams as bait to trick Jack Nicholson into the role of The Joker in 1989's Batman. Joel Schumacher called up Williams and asked in to play The Riddler in 1995's Batman Forever. Due to a salary dispute, they cast Jim Carrey.

once again I am sad that this version did not happen

I think Carrey would be better as the Mad Hatter

@@michaelhartman683 that's a good choice

How about a comedic Riddler? Because Robin Williams was a stand-up guy, and he would not fit in the Burton Batman world.

@@evanzaremba4722 Robin Williams could do comedy & drama flawlessly. If you watch Mrs Doubtfire & Good Will Hunting back to back, you'll see how much range he had. He would've been superb as The Riddler.

@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn I watched him in Good Will Hunting back in 2013 and it's brilliant.

On paper, some actually though it wouldn't work because it's hard to see Robin Williams being a villain. They thought wrong. LOL

Two-Face (BDW) - "Get out of my face ! " Riddler (RW) - "Which one ? "

It’s a shame he was promised the part then Jim Carey got big and they gave it to him.

@@charles1203 Carey was in vogue back then :/

@@charles1203 that's why is due to a salary dispute. Joel Schumacher asked Robin Williams to play The Riddler as Lee and Janet Scott Batchler wrote it with his voice in mind and he felt bad that he couldn't get the role and that's why they cast Jim Carrey in the role and he won acclaim playing the Riddler role and that's one of the best performances I've seen of a comic book villain.

Me too

No. That is not Canon. I had the Batman 89 comic in hardcover, and it's retcon. For me, both Tim Burton's Batman and Joel Schumacher's Batman are the same person. Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney are the same Batman, despite the age difference and portrayals.

​@@robertroy92 instead of that, get the Batman 89 comic in hardcover.

​@@evanzaremba4722"this is canon TO ME" not "this is canon"

@@Sektorax But it was just an awful take.

They could do this in CGI

Remember, with rewrites, you can execute ideas that seemed bad because of the terrible source material in a way that can be genius

Although that would be cool! But it seems very unlikely that we could get this movie sadly 😔

Alternatively, Dan Castellaneta did a good job as the Genie in the Aladdin tv show.

yessss

Nay, hand-drawn!

And I would have say the same about Batman and Penguin being Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables

Hmmmmmm maybe good!

tie it into Joker, and have Matt Frewer play the Riddler.

DC/Warner should just ditch that botched attempt at a samey Marvel-ripoff that became the DCEU. Instead offer standalone movies with a unique style each to different talented script writers and directors and let each of them run with it given total creative freedom to reinvent shit. That's the strength of having a multiverse after all: Not having the need of matching everything; having the freedom to colour each world differently, Batman dark, Wonder Woman periodical, Harley Quinn manically bright, Shazam like an oldschool kid's adventure movie, Aquaman teeming with quirky fishies, Joker once like a tragic clown, and once like a bipolar crime lord. Relaunch and recreate instead of rinse and repeat!

Oh yeah, as he said that I got chills. Beautiful imagery for a very dark end.

Lol 😂

Nah, for me, it was a bit too over-the-top

You’ve obviously never seen more of Tim Burton’s work a mixture of cheesy and dark In my opinion.

@@rubenharos6988 Me? I just thought it was Joel Schumacher's writing

😂😂😂

Actually, it was Joel Schumacher who wanted to do Two-Face, and he wanted that person to be Tommy Lee Jones. And he also wanted to do The Riddler, and he did asked Robin Williams to play The Riddler before it went to Jim Carrey.