Grizz and Hera react to Episode 8 of Rings Of Power: Alloyed Shoutout to @Nerd Chronic for editing this reaction! Support the channel and watch the full uncut reaction on Patreon! / kylekatarnchannel #ringsofpower
Good job, although we cannot join u in agreement with the show, the whole Tolkien-verse is now in schisim, our comments are in the chat...peace be too u and EXSURGE Tolkien!
Did you turned your brains off? As it seems you did - "that was amazing!" - seriously? They melted three different metals in a same pot, with the same temperature and for some reason got three different rings. This is not how smelting, metals, physics or anything works, obviously. You may say this is fantasy. In general it is, but in this particular case this is idiocy. And the entire series are like that. The story makes no sense if you never read Tolkien's books or watched Jackson's movies. Even hard to say there is barely any story. But then if you watched the movies and specially if you read the books, the entire series are simply insulting, as they contradict the lore in so many cases, and the rest is fan service, like bad remakes of different shots and moments from the movies. For example Battle of Helm's deep for survival of entire nation is turned into battle for small village in nowhere. Still there is not explanation why Numenor's queen went personally with band of teenage warriors to save that current small village. Standalone the series are bad, boring, and meaningless, but in the context of the lore, they are just terrible. How any normal, rational, reasonable human being can like this?
@@nick3175 we know how it happens...it begins with ignorance then heresy, Join us for our counter ROP series. Mae G'ovannen! Now the evidence is clear, and none can deny that "ROP" is not of Tolkien. Take heart for our EXSURGE TOLKIEN that makes robustly clear the heresy of Tolkien's Canon displayed out of the showrunner's mouths and hearts. They probably know nothing of Tolkien's masterpiece, as evident from their interview in the Vanity Fair Article. For "they who proclaim to loveth Tolkien, yet understandeth, not his world view can neither hope to create a new film, show, or series of his secondary world." "Auta i lóme!" and" Aurë entuluva!"
@Riley Garraway First the plot of the show is objectively bad, and the story telling is terrible. Second if they use the name of Tolkien to sell their product they have to respect his view and his work. If they don't they are fraud. As you see what you enjoy does not matter.
I also love how positive you and Hera are about this show. So many others are lampooning or just outright being negative about it. Hearing you both being positive was a much needed boost.
The reality is that the detractors and haters and bashers are a very loud and obnoxious minority, though social media may make it seem otherwise. The viewership numbers paint a very different picture. The fact is, most people don’t get on social media and comment about the shows they watch and love. Over time I bet the ridiculous anathema will subside at least.
@@daveed1750 That minority:) are the real Tolkien fans. The viewership numbers paint a diferrent picture because people are hungry for Middle-Earth content. This show is a great show for who knows nothing about the lore and i think that was their goal. We the Tolkien fans are disaapointed because they butchered characters like Galadriel, Elendil, Elrond and Gandalf:) but you are right. This is an adaptation so our need for Tolkiens writings didnt come to pass. Thats why we are bitter.
It was. He was telling Galadriel how Sauron killed so many of his Uruks in trying to achieve "a power "not of the flesh but over the flesh" and that utilised the power of "the unseen world". Celebrimbor used the same phrases verbatim. But Galadriel's first stirrings of suspicion, as seen by her reaction, is when Celebrimbor uses the metaphor "the key that opened the dam" about Halbrand's suggestion - because of course Mordor had just been created by the Dark Lord's literal key (the Morghul sword hilt) that opened the dam to flood the Southlands and make Mount Doom erupt.
It is refreshing finding people who enjoy this show. Yes. It is ok not to like something. You have to give it a chance first. Thanks to you two and the few who like it will keep it from being canceled. Thank you guys.
Gave it a good chance, story isn't that good, acting in some scenes as well but that might be because of the writing. Feel like it had the potential to be really good, but it is an average show at best for me. It's more than okay to like the show, but many people are calling it the best show ever which purely on the consistency of characters and writing it isn't. Hopefully season 2 will be better, as it might be easier to write without trying to be mysterious (but it was pretty obvious who Sauron was). I'll give it another fair shot, many people worked hard so the show looks good. Just hope that the quality from the inside (story and writing) can match that next season.
@@pdaw101 The big problem is: The "haters & review bombers" were mostly right. I personally can't think of a fantasy show (for grown ups or children) i dislike more than this one. Even GoT season 8 seems like a masterpiece compared to this series. Its complete nonsensical BS from start to finish. However if you turn off your brain or like trash in general you can get some enjoyment out of it. Which is OK i guess, but this show could have been much more than Trashtainment.
@@pdaw101 Of course, everything is subjective, but this show is very close to be labled as "objectivly bad". I disagree on the "intelligence" part. Most reviewers didn't insult the "intelligence" of those who enjoyed the show, they critizised the bad acting, the horrible writing, the heavily butchered lore, amazon's marketing strategies and minor stuff (cgi, costumes, battle choreography, pacing). Nontheless you can still enjoy it for various reasons of course (even those i mentioned above). Personal enjoyment has nothing to do with the intelligence of a person. I also strongly disagree in calling a tv-show "art". Its a piece of trivia, nothing more, nothing less.
Also foreshadows the end of Elrond and Durin IV's friendship (unfortunately). Also (maybe this is a reach) a reference to Frodo holding the ring over the lava in Return of the King
The Black Banners in Numenor was to signify the King's death, At the beginning with the scenes with the king, they had said once he passes the port will be donned with black banners in his honor once that happens. and the craftsmen from all over are coming with designs to portray him after his death to honor him etc etc.
Indeed. And that is why ̶I̶s̶i̶l̶d̶u̶r̶ ̶ Elendil hesitated when the Queen Regent (now Queen) asked him what was up, what did he see - He was at a loss how to tell her that her father was dead.
The 'call it a gift' thing is a clue indeed. In the books when he was wearing his pretty disguise to trick the elves, he called himself Annatar, which means Lord of Gifts.
SEASON 1 = 3 Elven rings SEASON 2 = 7 Dwarf rings SEASON 3 = 9 Rings for Men SEASON 4 = 1 Ring to Rule them all SEASON 5 = WAR of Last Alliance ????????????????????????????????? ps....Insert somewhere 'Fall of Numenor'
@@AStaake1992 it was exposed only to us the audience as Galadriel found out for herself. But then she didn't go around telling everyone...but kept it secret.
@@absabs129 Elrond knows aswell. And yeah we don't know what they're going to do with that information, but not letting everyone know would be so astronomically stupid even Amazon wouldn't do that.... I hope...
@@AStaake1992 good points. It will be interesting to see how they pull it off. My idea would be to have him assume another physical form each season. That would keep everyone guessing. And also highlight his masterful deception skills.
@@absabs129 Okay imagine youre a dwarf lord. You get a missive from Gil'Galad himself telling you that Sauron assumed a human form and made them craft a couple rings of power. Not sure what purpose he is intending behind it. A couple weeks later a dude comes by (maybe not a human, disguised as something else) and starts talking how cool a couple of magic rings would be. Wouldnt you be hella sus of that guy? :D They need to do some homework to make that seem believable. Personally I think the only way to do that is via flashbacks since technically the other rings were crafted before the three elven rings iirc? Mind you they were also crafted by the elves... so no clue how they intend to film that^^
Yes, the lyrics of the final song are by Tolkien. It is the complete version of the ring poem, that Gandalf quotes in the Fdeellowship of the Ring movie. It's also the very first thing we read, when we open the Lord of the Rings book.
_Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,_ _Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,_ _Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,_ _One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne_ _In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie._ _One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,_ _One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them_ _In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie._
So glad to find reactors who are actually fans of the show and know the lore. Really enjoyed this season and particularly the finale. Looking forward to the next season and your reactions for many years to come!
The lore? Sauron shapeshifted to a human who hates them. Sauron who fears the water because of the Valar Ulmo(Lord of the Seas), happens to be in the middle of the ocean with Men of the middle earth whom he hates. I know they couldnt take the rights to use the name Annatar but cmon. They broke the lore big time. Show was slow and written lazily. We have a show named rings of power and the making of the 3 uncorrupted elf rings took like 10 minutes of the last episode which originally took hundreds of years. Celebrimbor who is the greatest blacksmith takes advice from human? Annatar helped him to forge those rings by using magic, it took hundreds of years! Lord of the gifts. The great deceiver. The scene between Galadriel and Halbrand(sauron) was really good though, He totally felt like Sauron when he was speaking and i hope whomever wrote that scene stays. Btw i know this is an adaptation so i watch this as an experiment since third episode. But dont say that they are loyal to the lore. Because they are not. There is nothing close to Tolkiens wriitngs. Wizards shooting flames from their hands while not even Valar can do that. When the witch king caught Frodo on Amon-sul who happens to be the greatest of ring wraiths STABBED Frodo and we see 3 wraiths now using extremely powerful magic. The use of magic and spells are non-sense, they don't work like that in Tolkiens writings. But as i said i aceept this being an adaptation and i will devour the Series because i like Middle-earth. But there is nothing close to the Lore.
@@grizzledwizard7129 yes I know and I like the show but the problem for me the showrunners said that they will respect the work of Tolkien and won't change the lore in anyway. They said that The only things they are going for are the mysteries that are left for us in the books. But I feel like their goal was not us Tolkien fans but to create a new fanbase. Anyways I'm sad because this is not the world I'm used to.
@@grizzledwizard7129 Agreed, always down for some magic! I kinda want to know what the 3 women actually are though, they looked like the ring wraiths when they got killed.
Refreshing to see reactors who don't hate on this show and compares it to the boks or movies. It should stand on its own merit and it's a good show. For me, the season finale was incredible!
@@TurinTuramber I didn't say that it didn't have problems but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. For instance, most of them surviving the infernal pyroclastic cloud in episode 7 pissed me off to no end. Their survival is an impossibility - IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SURVIVE THAT. I know that the show has issues but aside from that, it is a good show and damn beautiful too. Episode 6 and 8 were incredible to watch and I won't nitpick them to death. What's the point in ruining your own enjoyment??
@@TurinTuramber I get it, I really do, but I'm just happy to get more LotR even if Amazon doesn't have the rights to all of it. I just take the show for what it is and what they story they're trying to tell even if it's a flawed one.
The whole thing with the Stranger and the Harfoots reminds of one of the best lines, and best things. to come out of the Hobbit movies. Gandalf speaking to Galadriel when she asks him why he chose Bilbo of all beings to go on the journey. His response makes me think a lot about some of the characters in this show and their roles in the overall history of Middle-earth. "Saruman believes that it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I've found it is the small things. Every day deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness and love..."
I’m glad I found this cuz it’s fun to watch other people who are enjoying it like I do. There are so many people just trashing on the show for whatever reason. But it’s nice to hang out with y’all!
Mostly it’s from them not having the rights to the Silmarillion/Untild Tales yet trying to write a show that takes place during events in said books. Leads to them making stuff up that contradicts what’s in those books, hence a good portion of the fan base doesn’t support the changes.
The looks fair but feels foul is such a great touch they used. It applies to Aragorn as well, who looks foul (He's all beat to hell, dirty, rough etc) but he feels fair. Having it applied to Sauron (and Gandalf!) here is genius.
I adored the finale, it made me cry which I was surprised by lol. I also agree it did feel like The two towers with the song by Fiona Apple to end it. I can’t wait for next season 🧙🏽♀️
The song at the end is the actual Poem from Tolkien about the rings. The composer just made a song out of it. Also, he said parts of the song have been playing through out the season and the credits is where it is finally played in full.
I love how at 8:45 you can tell how the "Giver of Gifts" clue instantly clicks in your mind. What I love the most about the story in the show is that Galadriel recognizes that she and Halbrand are genuinely the same because of their traumas. Galadriel felt helpless under Gil-galad just as Sauron felt helpless under Morgoth. That's why one in power will corrupt, but two will just divide. She cannot balance Sauron because he fundamentally doesn't understand the difference between saving Middle Earth and ruling over it. Sauron's feet will never take him on a path that his heart fears to tread, only in what serves his desires. Thus Galadriel's path is drawn into necessary opposition against her own desires and his. That's why she insists that there be 3 rings to have balance. It's just how the balance between Frodo, Samwise, & Golum are necessary to bring about an end to that darkness, and without any one of them, it would have failed. The Hobbits have no desire to rule - only to save everyone and return home, which is the final force needed to right that wrong for good… and why they bow to no one.
(no slight here) seasonably fitting that a few have brought up elsewhere that the tempo and tone ~ can put one in the mind of the recurring 'Jumprope tune' in 'A Nightmare on Elm Street' damn! forgot to trash in a familiar unfiltered manner the show that you two chose to freely enjoy. (perhaps next time)
_Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,_ _Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,_ _Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,_ _One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne_ _In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie._ _One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,_ _One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them_ _In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie._
This finale episode got me right in the feels so much, I wish the haters would give this a chance instead of hating blindly. It is so going in a great direction!
@@TurinTuramber sounds exhausting being so hateful towards something. What does it matter? You are tryin to justify your opinion by pushing it as fact onto others. Not gonna work bro. Go bark up another tree that's willing to listen to nonsense lol
For a lot of them, I think they started with such a strong dislike of it, anything they saw after that in the show would be colored by that initial conception, so there is no way that they would ever allow themselves to soften to it. I loved the show from the beginning, because I came in with no expectations of what it _should_ be like.
My main problem with it is that it’s deviated so much from the lore that I’m just not interested. Was going to give it a chance and binge watch when fully released, but from what my brother told me I could tell I’d be annoyed and generally disappointed watching it. Glad you at least get something from it, but it’s definitely not for me.
@@lordvalandil1672 I will say this though, the last few episodes to me are worth any changes, its stuff youll never see again from the lore and it is just cool to see in live action.
I'm really glad Galadriel never really faltered when her mind was being messed with. It would've been a super easy trope to fall into, but they didn't.
@@CorporateComedy You are wrong. And your ridiculous idea that your mindless bitching is somehow being censored is as laughable as the rest of the nonsense you're spewing.
@@TurinTuramber Get back to me when you've finally learned how to provide some actual constructive criticism instead of the juvenile trolling you're engaging in right now.
@@TurinTuramber Which part of CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM don't you understand? Joke's on you, I'm already rewatching the show, and I'll watch it again as many times as I like because it's awesome and I Iove Tolkien's mythology. I'm not your father, go seek emotional validation elsewhere. All the best!
@@Heru_Iluvatar You know when a troll opens with "How much is Amazon paying you" or "Amazon shill" that they have NOTHING concrete to base their bitching on. So much empty noise. 🙄
@@ricmcloughlin3336 Rubbish. Try reading the source material and then come back and tell us again how it's got nothing to do with what Tolkien wrote. If you actually did, you'd see it was a very very good adaptation.
@@TomOnTheTube ok so how about the breaks in canon in just this episode alone then? Galadriel wasn’t the one to come up with the idea for the three rings. Celebrimbor did that himself AFTER he and Annatar had already made the other rings. He took the craft that they had developed with the lesser rings and perfected it in secret with the three. Galadriel had nothing to do with it. Galadriel should be living in Eregion at this time with Celeborn and their daughter. That’s it. That’s the extent of her involvement in the story. The entire impetus for creating the elven rings to “save the elves from extinction” is a complete fabrication of the show and has no basis in the books. They don’t start “dying” until late in the third age once Sauron starts gathering his strength to prepare for the War of the Ring. “Gandalf” did not come to Middle Earth until the third age, and he was literally the last of the wizards to arrive. He shouldn’t be here at all right now. If this is a Blue Wizard, that’s fine, but they’re blatantly making people believe that it’s Gandalf which canonically is entirely incorrect. That’s just the stuff wrong with this episode. Not to mention the fact that Elendil and Isildur are already around (they shouldn’t be), Mordor was just always Mordor, no one set off the volcano randomly to turn it into that. That’s why Sauron chose it to begin with, because it was already like that. Gil Galad is one of the most noble and pure elves to ever exist. His weird “dislike” towards Galadriel is totally made up. Palantirs don’t show you the future. That’s not how they work. The list goes on and on. Would you like me to keep going?
It’s just deviated too much from the books, which is definitely a rights issue. They’re writing a story that occurs in the book they don’t have the rights too, so when they make stuff up for their story it contradicts what’s been written in those books.
I mean I can understand Saurons point of view. He wanted control and order, understood that there would have to be casualties. Morgoth wanted oblivion. Oooooof such a great season finale
I’m so glad there are groups that are actually enjoying the series. I happen to love it! There were parts that dragged just a little bit in previous episodes but I can honestly say I’ve enjoyed 90% of it but this last episode…100% awesome!!
I think the "Follow your nose" is a mislead. He is probably a blue wizard. He said something about "Adventures are meant to be shared" and that he is going east to Rhun. I think that will be a surprise next season.
The three rings go to 1. Galadriel 2. King Gil Galahad who then gives it to Elrond. 3. Cirdan who then gives it to Gandalf. All three rings leave middle earth at the end of the third age along with the One ring carriers Bilbo and Frodo when they take the final voyage to Valinor
They might go w the version where gil-galad gets both vilya and narya and passes the latter to celebrimbor after we’re introduced to him next season and learn about him first. Cause tv viewers would be confused of a random elf showing up and taking one of the three rings when we have four noble elves already established to have the rings. And it would give an opportunity to introduce Círdan in and build up to why he was given a ring
The Elven rings and their wearers over time: *Narya* (the Ring of Fire, red ruby stone) -> _High-King Gil-galad of Lindon_ -> _Cirdan the Shipwright_ -> _Gandalf the Grey/White_ *Nenya* (the Ring of Water, clear adamant stone) -> _Lady Galadriel of Lórien_ *Vilya* (the Ring of Air, blue sapphire stone) -> _High-King Gil-galad of Lindon_ -> _Lord Elrond Peredhel of Rivendell_
Hanging out with proto-hobbits, confirmation that he's an Istar, "follow your nose", being shown to have control of fire when we know Gandalf eventually ends up with Narya. The only piece of evidence I can think of that says "not Gandalf" is that in the books Faramir relayed that Gandalf once told him his Valinorian, elvish, dwarfish, northern mannish, and southern mannish names and finished with "to the East I go not" and here he's specifically headed to Rhûn, which just might be the biggest departure from canon that the show has done so far. Of course, the way that's phrased leaves open the possibility that he went east once and things went so poorly that he refuses to go back, which makes me worried for Nori.
The biggest departure from canon yet? The fact that “Gandalf” is even there at all at this time is a wayyyy bigger departure than just that. Only the blue wizards arrived in the second age. The other three came thousands of years later after Sauron was defeated by the last alliance. So the “biggest piece of evidence that says ‘not Gandalf’” should be that he shouldn’t even be there yet. That’s not even taking into account the other things that break canon like the fact that Elendil and Isildur (who’s fake out “death” is the dumbest thing they possibly could have done) shouldn’t be alive now, since the rings aren’t even forged yet. They don’t come until thousands of years after that. Galadriel was not the one who came up with the idea for the three rings. Celebrimbor decided to do that on his own AFTER he and Annatar made the other ones. Galadriel should be living in Eregion with Celeborn and their daughter at this time….. that’s it. That’s all she does. This ENTIRE show is a departure from canon. All of it. The timeline is already irreparably broken.
@@thegreyinitiate3680 If you're going to give me flashbacks to people throwing fits about canon being brutally murdered over Legolas's footwear or "Arwen, Warrior Princess", the least you can do is cite actual canon, instead of one of many discarded notes published in 1996 as part of a compilation of discarded manuscripts and unfinished drafts that documents the evolution of the legendarium and Tolkien's writing and worldbuilding process, not the internal history of Arda.
I wonder whether the location of the battle between the mystics and the istar is the same as where Dol Guldur will be built (if the show includes that), it would be fitting
The lyrics are the very first words in LOTR: "Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf Lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne, In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie. One ring to the rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie."
I still dont 100% think the stranger is actually Gandalf. I feel like they have left it vague so if the audience reacts negatively they can just say he is a blue wizard. Also, the fact they are going to Rhun is really the biggest reason i think he's a blue wizard.
@@TolkienGeek. According to the lotr wiki "The time that the Blue Wizards arrived in Middle-earth is uncertain. In Unfinished Tales, Tolkien wrote that the five Istari came to Middle-earth together in TA 1000. However, in The Peoples of Middle-earth, they are said to have arrived in the Second Age, around the year SA 1600, the time of the forging of the One Ring. Their mission was directed at weakening Sauron's forces in the eastern and southern parts of Middle-earth, whereas the other Istari were focused on the west. " So its possible he is a blue wizard. The show is compressing the timeline quite a bit.
someone else said it, and I agree - they might be enjoying the best of both world's by having people think its Gandalf and getting that name recognition/internet stir, but in reality it could be a blue wizard. Gandalf doesn't travel East, and Ruhn suggests blue wiz. It's probably top G himself, but not a sure thing.
So you mentioned height in one of the earlier episodes. Numenorians were visibly a bit taller than Southlanders... but Halbrand towered above them all. One more hint to his true identity. Also, really nice reaction to the show, you got yourself a new subscriber. :D
I think season 1 was the Elves getting their rings, and season 2 will focus on Khaza-dum and the Dwarves getting their rings (and dealing with the Balrog wrecking shop perhaps). Maybe by season 3 or 4, Isildur starts Gondor with the prodigal southlanders and Numenorians that return, and then the Human rings will be forged.
Loved the episode. I have my gripes about how they pursue individual plots and characters in the show overall, but nevertheless really enjoy it. It's a take on Middle Earth that still surprises me, and I'm along for the ride.
♥️ Simply love that show!!! I don't care if it doesn't follow exactly the books. They have "only" The books and the appendix to build their story on.... not Simarillion or any other written material. So I love the story-telling, the relationships between the characters... and not at least the visual look. Have enjoyed your reactions so much... thank you!! 🙂🤗👍♥️
Considering it's the second age, it's more likely one of the blue wizards, Alatar or Palando, not too much is known about them, the lines he said to her might have just been a easter egg or dedication to Gandalf in LotR.
No, I don't think so. I think that the black sails were indicating the death of Tar-Palantir. Also, the poem for song is on one of the very first pages of The Lord of the Rings and is repeated by Gandalf later in the book.
yes! It's the uplifting part the made me love this series. Don't get me wrong, I know why people like House of the Dragon. I used to watch Game of Thrones. But I watched the first two episodes of that and I immediately knew any character I loved would probably die a gruesome death after torture... That's fine and exciting, but my life is exciting and stressful enough. I want escapism and watching something that makes me feel happier. I would watch House of the Dragon almost sad knowing that regardless of what they do they would all end with the fall of the Targaryens and all the fail and misery in GoT. I watch Rings of Power somewhat hopeful that although they're going through all this, Sauron _will_ lose, and Galadriel will go off into a blissful afterlife.
Right on. I watched all of GoT but had no desire to watch HotD, for the exact reason you stated above -- I knew (or at least strongly suspected) it would be dire and depressing. RoP is indeed escapism, and I thought every part of this season was terrific.
That was a great episode. All the table setting from earlier paid off. Even the scene from Galadriel's childhood, and of course travelling with the Harfoots. It will be worth an eventual rewatch to appreciate it fully. (Nice LOTR:ROP-themed earrings, BTW).
Currently I am in Bre, in Fellowship of the Ring. While doing a marathon which started with the animated Tolkien trilogy. At the moment I have completed season 1 of rings of power then moved on to the Hobbit trilogy and now I'm on the Rings trilogy. After doing my Marathon the story of Durin, Elrond and Galadriel is extremely tragic. Also there is an air of tragedy with the Orcs as they are mainly a nameless faceless enemy to be wiped out in the hundreds yet Adar had a very Noble plan for them. And while it seems when he was not quite himself after respawning(think the Dr and their regenerations) Halbrand may have been somewhat Noble more like his Maiar self, but that quickly washed away once he got to numenor. Based on the creature design of sauron's armor as well as the designs of Orcs, the trolls and the balrog, even though Amazon has denied such a thing I definitely see a visual connection to the Peter Jackson Saga especially since the concept artist for all three projects is the same man. Also the score by bear McCreary definitely sounds in a similar vein to Howard Shore. All I can say is that I'm very very excited to see where the story goes from here and how it ties into the larger trilogies that we already have
great review but if they follow the Lore... the Wizard is most likely to be Saruman while he was still good or one of the Blue Wizards because Gandalf was one of the last Wizards to arrive to middle earth based on original writing ... but of course, the show may change this!
I really enjoyed your reaction! I had just watched another reaction where the viewer felt that all the touching interpersonal moments were corny. But I love those aspects of this series, as they are much in the the mood of Tolkien. As a fan of both J.R.R. Tolkien and George R.R. Martin, I am loving both the Rings of Power and the House of the Dragon. But they are very different types of stories and I don’t like to see people trying to make comparisons between them. They are both excellent television and I can enjoy them both without needing to rate one above the other. I will say that I didn’t love every story decision they made in this first season of the Rings of Power. But there is much more to love than to criticize IMO. And like you two commented on, the sets, the costumes, the scenery and all the other details made this show really spectacular in a Tolkien appropriate way. As far as the wizard appearing to have some form of amnesia, I heard a explanation for that that I really like from Corey Olsen, the Tolkien Professor. As someone extremely knowledgeable about the lore, he was saying that the wizards, who are a type of Maia, were incarnated into their human-like form when they were sent to Middle Earth by the Valar. And that this is a significantly different from simply assuming a different form, like we saw the shape shifting person do in this episode. For instance, remember how Gandalf seemed unfamiliar with his name when he first met back up with Gimli, Aragorn and Legolas in the Two Towers. And in that instance Gandalf had been actually sent back by Eru to complete his task. So the idea is that the process of incarnation could be quite disorienting. Of course the show runners are incorporating some of their own original ideas into this storyline, as no wizard is known to have arrived via meteor in Tolkien’s lore. But I liked that explanation for why the wizard appeared to have amnesia. I see that other people have already left comments about the black flags in Numenor. There was a line where someone said that they flew the black flags upon the death of the king. Your enjoyment of this episode was so much fun to watch that I think I’m going to go join your Patreon and watch your reaction to the entire series, as I was planning to do a full rewatch of it now that the entire season is over.
True, neither was Melkor either, but they all chose evil in the 1st Age, this is over looked completely, but we have a well informed position and invite u to check it out..EXSURGE TOLKIEN that makes robustly clear the heresy of Tolkien's Canon displayed out of the showrunner's mouths and hearts. They probably know nothing of Tolkien's masterpiece, as evident from their interview in the Vanity Fair Article. For "they who proclaim to loveth Tolkien, yet understandeth, not his world view can neither hope to create a new film, show, or series of his secondary world." "Auta i lóme!" and" Aurë entuluva!"
The lyrics in song at end was the Poem Tolkiwn wrote about the Rings: Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne. In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
Absolutely loved the series and yes, I admit it has it's flaws but it didn't diminish my enjoyment. They really need to answer why the bloody hell Sauron was randomly in the middle of the ocean though. I can't let something like that slide.
I thought he was there because he is what he is. I expect that he can just teleport or take different form when he wants to. After all he is a Demi God like being
How did he end up on that raft: He may have tried to get to Númenór to refine and/or refresh his blacksmithing skills (which he actually did when finally on the island) after his previous mortal guise was "killed" by Adar as claimed by the fallen elf in the show. But yeah, according to interviews this will be explored in a Sauron-centric Season 2.
The Priest in White are most likely members of the Cult of Sauron (probably called "the Eye of Sauron"), and the Stranger is OLORIN, he's not "Gandalf" per se, yet... he's Incanus the Istar(i), he may just take the name "Istar" for now, all his lines and saying "when in doubt, follow your nose" is a HUGE hint that it is Olorin. . . .
