Rings of Power S2 E7 Review | DON'T KISS YOUR FUTURE MOTHER-IN-LAW, ELROND! (Overall, ROP is Trash) 

They're giving him the Anarion treatment. They acknowledged his existence...then promptly forgot tf about him.

He's in cancun Away from this nonsense

Celeborn has been ostracized from this show, its Gala-rond from hereon.

​@@unclephillymyaDon't do it to yourself, Phil.

Celeborn got early word of the ROP and promptly fled for his life, and who can blame him?

And it looked like Galadriel didn't want him to stop once he pulled away, that was the clincher for me. It made me feel so gross

Here the things, they can write it as hug or kiss in forehead, but somehow they have to write it as kiss in mouth, seriously what they thinking

I think that was supposed to look believable to fool the viewer. If they make anything more of it I'll be disappointed, but I'm 99% sure it was to make people think "wtf" then later "ahh, it was a distraction!" I honestly think y'all are overthinking it.

That kiss was not romantic at all. It was clearly only a distraction. I got nothing between them at all.

The framing AND the music played on it being romantic.

Thank you! Yes that’s what irks me the most.

Yeah, they're doing the same thing with the elves that they did with the orcs. Trying to make them seem human. They missed the whole point of the different races of middle earth.

To cut to the point, the whole show lacks class or grace...

a true representation of the show producers

Nobody named Odin can talk about class or grace.

Same!

I felt like Michael Bay wrote that scene

Look the writers are just into that, as well as Ork on Ork action 😅

Together we shall turn toward Middle Earth

"Let the hate flow through you" 😁

For frodo

"I was there, Gandalf, I was there when the strength of Yoystan's optimism failed"

Episodes 4 and 5 were actually really good though. Objectively good.

You didn’t see? Elrond unlocked fast travel for the elves after he made out with his mother in law. Yeah, the whole achievement blip and everything popped up on my Xbox😂😂

Easily debunkable. He controlled their steel. Next lame complaint

@@zStC1 his comment says otherwise. He also seemed to stop the one Elf from speaking. He said something like “You’re not the only Elf I have power over now” implying that he is controlling their bodies, not their weapons. I think the whole point of making the rings is to dominate another’s will, which is a bit strange to see him doing here. Pretty OP to do it without any rings. But at least the series is kind of consistent, he seems to be able to “influence” Galadriel simply because of his time near her as well.

The same guy that got shanked by orcs loool makes no sense.

Sauron has Magneto powers? hahahahahahahahah shameless shill

@@miratodc yeah true, he should’ve been able to control the orcs and prevent them from killing him since he was around them all the time 😂 doesn’t make sense

I don't think their malicious, just incompetent.

​​@@realjohanngoethe I'd like to think so too, but at this point there is no way they aren't aware that this is an utter disrespect and a distortion of the lore. In my opinion, this show has always been extremely inaccurate to the lore, in addition to suffering from bad writing. And for a long time that could be attributed to willful, inexcusable ignorance. However at this point I cannot possibly believe that this is not deliberate. They have proven again and again that they care little, if at all for the writings of Tolkien, but even they must be aware not only of the contradictions to the lore, but also of the emotional reactions those would cause. I must say that after almost two Seasons , this complete incompatibility with the source material gladdens me in a way, because it has reached the point where it can not possibly stand as canon, not even to the most casual film fans, without contradicting every single other Tolkien media to the point of ridiculousness. For someone like me, who first read the LOTR and the Silmarillion at the age of 12 and fell in love with them, I could never have guessed that merely 5 years later I would be happy that this series has twisted the source material to the point that it is unrecognisable as anything related to Tolkien. I am far, far from the only one who feels this way and it is a sad fact. I am so sorry, this answer is much longer than I intended, however I have been wanting to say these things for a long time, and your comment gave me an excuse..😅

If it wasn't Lord of the Rings, it wouldn't be as bad. Still horribly written, but at least watchable.

​@@kellyl7688yeah if just a random show would be ok

I literally pulled my own hair in that scene 😵

Genuine question, after S1, as a LotR fan, why is anyone even giving S2 a chance?

Sucker born! Waste of time!!!

@@AstroPC96 aww 😢

A kiss as a distraction has been used a lot in stories.

Do you listen to Wind Rose?

I mean big deal. Doesn't really matter.

It was sooo bad lol

That song was not Tolkienian, but neither was anything else this episode, so it was still the thing I enjoyed most. I'm not really sure it should classify as metal though, you can't be metal without at least one guitar.

Out of place, just like the entire show itself.

Battle of the Five Armies was pretty damn good. Nothing in RoP even lights a candle to it.

The Hobbit is a great collection of movies. I don't know why some fans hate it.

@@nitotech I love all three. I just know the third one in particular gets a lot of hate

​@@nitotech 3 movies was too much, they had to make a bunch of nonsense up out of thin air just to extend the runtime. Compare that to the LotR trilogy where there was so much to cover they had to cut tons of things out. Also the CGI orcs were not as good as orcs in LotR movies. The movies are ok as mindless children's movies, but not significantly worse than the LotR trilogy. At least the Hobbit movies are 10000x better than this joke of a show.

​@@nitotechThe first one was amazing, then sadly it got worse and worse.

They are not defiling it, they are improving it.

They don't give a damn for Tolkien. They never really have. 😢

@@JM-jj3eg Do you mean, "IMPROVING" it?

@@Didymus20X6 Yes, other that the Hobbit and LOTR, Tolkien's stories don't have mass appeal. Which is why he couldn't get them published in his lifetime. RoP is bringing the Second Age to the masses by making it more entertaining.

@@Didymus20X6 They are impovering it 😭

The audience begged him to cast it into the fire but he declared no.

My first thought when they were out and about.

I legit at first thought they pointed out the sunrise bc that would be an advantage to the Elves that would seriously set back the Orcs. But no, show forgot about the Iron UV-Sensitive Orc Fleet.

Completely.

Dead in the water.

If you think you can do better go and do it yourself...big mouth

@@Ankit-df8rw I've seen not a few YT LOTR lore channels that have pitched better shows based entirely on the appendices than this garbage show. It could be done. Here's why your argument is dumb: if I go to a 4-star restaurant and order an expensive meal, and all I get is a plate full of crap, I have a right to complain. The chef can't just say, "Cook your own meal yourself, big mouth!" You know why? Because I paid him to do a job, and he failed to do it. The same here: if Amazon is going to make this show, they need to do it right. Otherwise, the viewers have every right to call them out for their garbage. Whether or not I'm a professional writer, or whether or not I could do better (I bet if Bozos have me a billion dollars, I could - it wouldn't be that hard. And my first order of business would be to hire guys like Yoystan who know what they're talking about). So take your garbage argument and kick rocks.

@@Didymus20X6 creating a movie and creating a youtube video are two different thing. Anybody can create can create a video after reading a book. Try doing the same for movie

@@Ankit-df8rw Give me a billion dollars and I will. Come one. Put your money where your mouth is then. Your dismissal of YT videos doesn't make an adequate rebuttal; Star Wars Theory made his own Darth Vader movie, and by all accounts that was better than anything Disney's put out lately. And my restaurant analogy still stands: If I pay someone to make me a dish, and they fail at it, that doesn't delegitimize my complaint. Amazon DOES have billions of dollars, so their failure to make a halfway decent show has no excuse.

@@Didymus20X6 if I had billions I would have done it myself or hire someone who knows unlike you who always comes up bullshit logic

I don't understand that either. I enjoy the show for what it is, that's why I watch it. But watching something you hate? On purpose? Ridiculous.

​@@pinkace Does he hate the show? I haven't heard him say that but yes it would be rough to watch something you hate.

@@Silversmith70 not talking about Yoystan, he has a channel to run, he has to do it. I'm talking about all these people in the comments.

@@pinkace I'm not watching the show. I'm watching Yoystan's reviews. Nerdrotic and Critical Drinker, too. I knew the show was going to be garbage from the beginning, so I'm getting entertainment from reviewers roasting it as it properly deserves.

​@@Didymus20X6 people like you are repulsive tbh, because of people like you we will likely never get another lotr TV series for our lifetime.

I don't watch it either. I also feel queasy at the kiss. Snogging your own mother in law is grim.

It's sheer malicious intent from Amazon at this point. A giant finger to the fans for rejecting ther show. There was zero reason for a romantic kiss, just to slip her a small pin to escape with. If you had seen the scene, you would be ven more incredulous, trust me.

@@moon-moth1 yeah saw it now. I puked for a second time

we've arrived at the mother in law teleporno stage 😂

Is that a guy named Brian that likes celery too much?

​@jonathancurtis5122 In this show? Might as well be.

To the very expensive, global pre-release promotion campaigns. This show is a giant Amazon prime ad.

Durin’s Bane is gonna bane Durin?!? No way

@@richardwallis9374 LMAO ruthless bro.

​@@richardwallis9374 I audibly laughed at that.

@@richardwallis9374because the King went down in there alone

@@richardwallis9374except he’s baning the wrong Durin!

and she has an adult daughter of about 3000 years - or, if they compress the timeline, at least 300 and very adult already. and whom Elrond was in love with for half of her life already.

​@@Chociewitkareally if you think about it, they should have made Celebrian the main character if the series.

@@dinofelis9343 that I was telling from the very beginning - but even if not, she should still be there - her absence break the overarching story

@@Chociewitka Even Celebrian wouldn't fit very well, but she'd fit FAR better than Galadriel. We don't know much about Celebrian, but we see nothing at all to indicate she's any sort of warrior by any stretch of the imagination. One bad encounter with orcs has her kidnapped and tortured, which results in her sailing to the west. And this is about 2000 years after these series. If she was an experienced elven warrior she wouldn't suffer from such a fate. All evidence points to Celebrian being an elegant maiden, not a warrior. Making her a warrior would be a stretch, probably even more of a stretch than Galadriel. (Even though its a stretch for BOTH.) That being said, again, there's still not much known about Celebrian, so its far easier to justify, and she's far younger, which makes it far easier to explain away how she can get manipulated as well. Perhaps her experiences here lead her to desiring to live a quiet life with Elrond after the war. Its irrelevant now, though, because they went with Galadriel for name recognition.

@@jrconway3 well, it would be insofar make sense for Celebrian to be ambushed by orcs if they would have had previous grudges against her and set a trap for her specifically because she happened to be such an effective elvish orc hunter in her youth - if set up properly this could have worked - also why Arwen is later not allowed to be a warrior by her family afterwards to safe her from her mother's fate - this could have been played out in a way which would at least nominally fit the described lore

It was like they were trying too hard.

Got whiplash like mad, it was completely dumb.

Worked for me. I enjoyed it.

naw that was weird as well, but not as weird as this

He passes her the key/pin to escape in his mouth with when he kisses her.

😂😂😂

I mean he's enjoying while also giving criticism and not calling anyone who disliked it bigots or nerds or chuds or etc. Completely fine with that.

To be fair... I only find myself rooting for orcs in this show. Even when that Troll came I was very happy to see someone cave in that wall. That's how great the writing is. The best written characters are Orcs.

You mean “shill of the rings”. That guy is so in bed with Amazon he’ll lose his insider status and his access to everything that he uses for his content. Let’s call it like it is, in terms of this show he’s been bought.

Have you seen his watchparty videos? He barely says anything positive about the show there. He is not super negative.

Still better writing than the show

Apparently, JJ Abrams recommended and vouched for them. Between the Star Wars sequel and this abomination, JJ has a lot to answer for.

@@janatman Omg if that is true then that explains so much!

I also think that you don't need any experience to do a better job than these two dunces are doing. What kind of mind comes up with the idea to replace the central struggle of Numenor, mortal men's desire for immortality, with a cartoonish anti-immigration movement against elves tukkin der jerbs?

Simon Tolkien?

A friend of mine pitched the idea last night that all these big-budget flops are secretly some form of money laundering. Hollywood accounting has always been basically witchcraft so it could make sense, though I have no idea what specifically would need to happen there. It’s fishy that such big projects have been handed to people with relatively little show running experience. And the money sure ain’t on screen.

Mother-in-law.

Ngl in Game of Thrones by this point you are used to the incesty kinda shit. In Rings of Power however... this just makes Elrond look way worse... in a 'if I can't have her I'll settle for her daughter that has yet to be born' (heck even conceived) Which is kinda next lvl Grooming ngl

What did I just read? By my beard.

Rings of P-hub xD

P0rnhub is more honorable than ROP

Elrond the lucky Elf

"Mom teaches my boyfriend how to kiss" I see the title now.

It was unbelievable. for better or worse.

@@bubblehulk7647 there's no worse here bubbaleh, it was an epic song beginning to end and worth the entire episode, I mean that shit LOL. I just put it on my phone!!!

I think this is RoP's revenge on the Tolkien Estate for not selling them enough rights. So they now willingly destroy in front of the audience what they have the rights to.

It can still happen with Sauron... we'll never know with this show 🙃

Luckily, he’s in the opening scene when the three Elves show off their rings. Sadly, I don’t think they care enough to find that out. Just like they didn’t care to find out the actual order the rings were made in.

But those are precisely reasons it SHOULDN'T BE THERE. The defenses are basically arguments against it.

@@Didymus20X6 agreed. It's meaningless, it's not nitpicky, it's bad writing and terrible character decisions. It could've been a kiss on the forehead or a hug but nope, had to make it a romance.

The only thing I argue against the kiss is the "he's her mother-in-law" argument, because he's not. They're immortal elves, and Galadriel, in-universe, believes her husband is dead, so both are technically single. So I don't think this is a good argument in-universe. I have seen the argument about Celebrian not being born yet, though, and yes, that is a problem. That's why I think Celebrian is born and they're just going to introduce her before the series is over and simply say "well, nobody mentioned her yet... nobody said Galadriel didn't already have a daughter with Celeborn before Celeborn's disappearance". (She's probably in Lorien, which canonically is where Celebrian is at the time. Of course, Galadriel is supposed to be in Lorien at this time, too.) Similarly, Celeborn is either Adar corrupted, or he's going to randomly show up and be alive somehow.

@jrconway3 it isn't a good argument in universe however they know people would be weirded out by it by a writing perspective. If they make Adar Celeborn, that'll be a yikers.

Kissing as a distraction is just a cliche. Wasn't about romance, was about passing an escape tool to her with arousing suspicion. Usually used in spy movies mostly.

In the show she's not his mother-in-law. In the books, she is. In reality, both don't exist as they are fictional characters.

@@JM-jj3eg And why are any of those statements relevant? Are you just typing random words for no reason?

​@@JM-jj3egIn the books she's not his mother in law in the second age anyway. However, she is married and he was long interested in her daughter anyway.

​@JM-jj3eg Your defence of this nonsense is stoic. However, in the grand scheme of things, you're an irrelevance.

​@Didymus20X6 He's an irrelevant apologist for Amazon Studios. Thus lower than the lowest worm that crawls on its belly across Middle Earth. 😂

Same

Please don't.

Yeah when Mirdania died I cared just as much as the characters did, which was not at all 😂

I actually burst out laughing… I mean you’re an apprentice level craftsman, what’re you doing on the battlements bud?😂😂

And when the water (illogically) stops it just leaves an easily traversable field behind that can be crossed by siege Engines...

He is totally left out so far isn't he? I thought they would bring him in at some point.

Imagine Arwen finding out. 'Yeh I couldn't get your Grandmother so I settled for your mother who wasn't even born let alone conceived back then, which after she was I then proceeded to groom :) '

​@@Silversmith70"bring him in" I think you mean Celeborn, Galadriel's husband. They mentioned him in Season 1 by implying he died in war. Celebrian is Galadriel and Celeborn's daughter, Elrond's future wife, and mother of Arwen and the "sons of Elrond", Eladdin and Elrohir (who unfortunately were completely left out of LOTR, barring the implication they might have been the smiths who reforged Anduril). The sons of Elrond actually joined the war later in the books, but were dropped out of the films. Unlike dropping Tom Bombadil, they should have kept the sons of Elrond. They were heavily motivated by the orc attack on Celebrian which emotionally damaged her so much she returned to Valinor early. That's why she's not present in during LOTR.

​@@TheTheKraven I know timelines in the legendarium can be a bit wonky sometimes, but should Celebrian not already be born?

@@jakobschoning7355 lore wise I believe so but am not sure haha I am always struggling with keeping track of everything thoroughly and certain characters and stories are better in my memory Show wise no

In the books Celebrimbor was the least manipulated of those in Eregion. His smiths were the ones smitten. And nobody knew he was Sauron until he put on the One Ring.

This isn’t the Great Deciever… he’s the Great Gaslighter

😂 Yeah. Just, why?

Right? Like, has anyone on the production team ever *seen* a real life blacksmith? That is hard work! Every single one I've met has been jacked in the arms and chest.

Samehere: saw the PR for the show and the look of the elves and went "Nope": poor Celebrimbor, Amazon treated him worse than Sauron did.

I think maybe could be Legolas “Sr.” 😂😂

Correct, this show is an antithesis of Tolkien. A rape and mockery of his works. A corporate greed fest instead of art.

My only advice is, if you’re on the fence don’t go over. It’s not worth it.

Have you ever heard of building siege equipment at the site of battle? It happened through history. You can clearly see they are made of random trees.