I’ve spent the last 3 months trying to rip my hddvd collection. It’s a nightmare with how many disks spit errors. All stored in a dry temperature controlled environment. Great video.
Great video. I still remember the days when people would pay $$$$$$ for programs like Any Disk or DVDFab to rip DVDs! It's getting to where some stuff isn't even ever placed on hard copies. I still like physical media best. Guess I'm kind of a hipster in that respect, only I'm not just discovering the joys of vinyl, I've always known it. Even VHS has a charm to it. Anyway, like I said, Great Video!
Haha, I literally figured out how to do this a few days ago. Maybe I should have waited for this video to come out! Glad I'm not the only one who had so much trouble doing this!
@@arbbo1675 No, not really. I prefer to save ISO files (that's how I rip DVD, Blu-ray and 4K Blu-rays) to preserve menus and all the extras, but my HD DVD rips are MKV only. I think because it died relatively quickly there just wasn't enough of an incentive to develop drives and ripping software anywhere near to how robust it is for Blu-ray today. I'm mostly focusing on the HD DVD's that have better transfers than their Blu-ray counterparts (District B-13 and Aeon Flux have better encodes on HD DVD) and movies that never came out on Blu-ray (The Dukes Of Hazzard 2005 remake)
*pats his XBox 360 HD-DVD drive he's owned for 10+ years* I bought Serenity on HD-DVD years before I owned that! God I'm such a nerd. The XBox HD-DVD drive is pretty decent as an external drive if you have a modern machine without an optical drive. Obviously not a burner, but not an issue for most.
I have owned the LG H20L since 2007, believe it or not, and it still works perfectly. My current desktop, however, has no 5.25' bays, so I picked up a cheap USB 3.0 to SATA adapter and have it sitting on my desk. I use it as my primary (only) rom drive and I have never run into any issues ripping either HD DVDs or Blu-rays. Not yet, anyway.
It's been think about WB titles failing for a very long time I think they even offered a program where they would replace them with new ones or Blu-ray or something. I manage to rip about 80% of my HD DVD collection but lots failed and can not be saved.
AnyDVD "should" be an option too... Pretty sure the hddvd of "Brotherhood of the wolf" is/was the only way to get the extended version and untill last year "White Noise 2" was also only out on HDDVD in hd.
I use AnyDVD rips EVERY 4k blu ray UHD I have with ease too! Rips most of my HD DVDs - XBOX 360 add on bought it new at £25 many moons ago. Some just will not rip - the format itself was better in one way to Blu Ray - no draconian DRM. However, AnyDVD rips out any DRM - I like MakeMKV too - best to have both in my eyes!!!
@@welshtechie6832 HD DVD used DRM similar to Blu-Ray . The difference was that HD DVD was region free and Blu-ray wasn't/isn't . I imported lots of cool Japanese HD DVDs back in the day . The early HD DVD playing software like PowerDVD had to update disc keys all the time and when companies delayed updating those programs and keys they simply wouldn't work with the newer discs . I use AnyDVD HD and KODI media player to play HD DVD discs because KODI won't play copy protected discs just like VCL won't . I've been using AnyDVD HD to rip all of my HD DVDs to HDD to play from a media box , it's much easier than crossing my fingers and hoping the physical disc will still work .
@@welshtechie6832 Proof of this is that you can drop and drag one of the HD DVD main movie EVO files onto your computer with ease , but it will not play back properly . The picture will look all messed up if you attempt to play it , the file will be corrupted .
It's typically Warner Bros HD-DVD's that die, they Rot. Most of mine are dead, the Universal and paramount ones are ok. Back in the Day Most blu-rays where using Mostly Mpeg-2 sometimes VC-1 and only a single layer 25GB disks vs the HD-DVD using a more advanced codec and typically VC-1, AVC was tough to decode for CPU's back then. HD-DVD typically looked better or identical than the Blu-ray counterparts at the time. HD-DVD mandated DD+ where as blu-ray mandates Dolby Digital and Dolby digital + can only be used to add extra channels to the core Dolby Digital or DTS as the core audio. so on the whole HD-DVD may sound better on basic disks released on both formats with base audio.
This one didn't really pertain to me, but I watched the entire thing. Because I love your channel brother. YT wouldn't be the same without ya and I don't ever want to see it. Thank you for always showing us how to operate ALL THIS STUFF
Another caveat when ripping HD-DVD's is that the video stream on the disc contains soft 3:2 pulldown flags. MakeMKV doesn't remove those and Plex sees those as 1080i 60Hz instead of 1080p 24Hz. You need to run the MKV files through a command line utility called eac3to extract the video stream while removing the 3:2 pulldown flags. You can then reinsert the video stream into the MKV with MKVtoolnixGUI. I've also found that MakeMKV 1.17.5 has trouble with HD-DVD's with AACS versions greater than v1. The utility 'DumpHD' can backup those discs to a folder which you can open up in makemkv as you would a BD folder backup.
I'd been toying with the idea of grabbing an xbox 360 hd-dvd drive next time I visit the USA in order to rip my small collection of about 20 HD-DVDs. But after watching this video, I'm having second thoughts. The thought of giving my old forgotten media a second life in Plex/Jellyfin seemed very appealing, but now I'm not so sure if it's worth the headache of a very uncertain success rate.
I had no idea you can use the Xbox 360 Drive on a pc. Just bought one on ebay with the psu for $25 total. Worth it, because now I can actually watch the 10+ movie my uncle gave me lol. Can’t wait to try it out.
I had a collection of around 400 HD DVD’s and about half of them failed due to disc rot, including my blade runner box set. I had zero issues with make mkv, I have a LG combo drive that does BD & HD DVD. I even had a full on setup with a Toshiba E10 standalone player but nothing would read half of my discs that failed. I recommend everyone rip their discs as soon as possible because the format is a ticking time bomb. Most of my WB discs failed but my Universal ones were mostly fine.
I noticed make mkv is able to rip more deteriorated disks than handbrake. I have one disk that plays but does not want to rip due to deterioration. I tried waxing the disc. Nogo. Im going to put the disk in the fridge for a bit then try it. Main reason for me to backup dvds is because of rot. If stored properly even dvds will almost last forever. Some storage rules: keep in original case, Do not stack, keep room temp 78 or lower, keep away from light, keep away from heat source, keep humidity low, no water exposure, remove oils from disc, handle with gloves, rip backups to blu-ray or mdisc.
15 Mbit/s at the worst on HD DVDs? Damn', that's almost as low as Netflix. Tho I guess it makes sense. Especially in the early days of the HD formats, dual layers discs were both less reliable in manufacturing and more expensive to make, so movie studios ofc tried to avoid them as much as they could. Given that HD DVD only had 15GB per layer, compared to Blu-Rays 25GB and you already got an answer for the lower quality. I haven't really gotten into collecting physical media until rather recently, so I mostly just own modern releases and re-releases of older titles, and they all come on two-layer discs (with the odd 3-layer UHD Blu-Ray in between), but there's one movie that I bought used, which was released during the format war and on both formats, and that is my only single-layer Blu-Ray. Really weird to see it included a DVD for the bonsu content, but ig back then that was still considered good enough. Kinda like how some UHD releases include the bonus content on an extra (regular) Blu-Ray...
You can buy a slim drive and put it in a USB enclosure (LG BU40N in a Vantec enclosure, for instance). All drives these days will have restrictions built into the firmware, though, so you want to get a drive that can be flashed to original firmware that has fewer restrictions. More details (and people who sell pre-flashed drives in a usb enclosure) on the MakeMKV forum.
I recently revisited my old HDDVDs and was very sad to find a couple of them have disc rot. Also, it seems HDDVDs are extremely sensitive to any debris or smudges. One of my discs had some old smudges on it, and even after cleaning it, the movie skipped frames and froze. Could just be my player, but any disc that isn’t completely spotless will skip in some areas. Hopefully someone has researched whether or not there are any HDDVDs with exclusive content so that data can be saved before the discs rot.
makemkv also has a temporary free activation code on the forums. so there is no need to reinstall. you just need to put in a new code from time to time and restart the software.
Great info. Only wish I still had the Xbox hdDVD player to try and rip the 20 movies I have on hand. Really don’t feel like tracking down one and spending the extra money. What if some of the movies have digital codes, wouldn’t that work to transfer the content on your computer?
Nice video, was thinking of adding a HD DVD drive to my 360 collection just for completeness sake. Shame about the disc rot though, I have a few films I'd like to compare to blu-ray given I'd already own the equipment anyway. (Particularly Blade Runner, since that blu-ray is excellent)
Have just loaded MakeMKV to give it a whirl but I'm still hooked on Handbrake to rip to MKV. Good point about external and internal disc drives as on one computer I used an LG external DVD and on another the internal drive and as the video noted the program didn't really want to know what was going on while on the internal DVD (same movie) no issues at all. MKV will play on the latest TV sets (I'm from New Zealand and might be slightly behind the latest gadgets) but often the soundtrack is missing. Use the freeware Avidemux to re-stripe the MKV audio to AC3(lav) which takes a couple of minutes rather than having to change everything to Mp4/3.
if you stil can get a loose normal toshiba ide SD-E802A (i believe the ones inside those old hddvd players have a modified connection so probably more off a problem to connect those to your pc) but the same drive in the wild so to speak has a normal pc ide connection so those you can just connect to your pc and use a usb to ide adapter 5 euro on ebay (those black ide adapter ones with also a sata thing connector on top/side ) USB 2.0 to IDE SATA 5.25 S-ATA/2.5/3.5 480Mb/s Data Interface Adapter Cable and use makeMKV to transfer hddvd to pc (are max 2x speed drives so it takes a while per disc I did a few hddvd s like this (for drive power use one of your pc molex cable)
...Just avoid the Warner discs. They’re much more prone to disc rot than the others, so if you have a version of a film made from them that is on the format, consider getting a Blu-Ray instead. You could try to rip them, though, as some may have survived.
There are a few Films still only on HD DVD and haven't been transferred to Blu-Ray yet. Also in some cases the HD DVD have an Exclusive Cut of the Film which might never see the light of day again.
I know this comment was 2 years ago but I’m curious what films you’re talking about that’s exclusively on that format but haven’t transferred over to Blu-ray.
I don’t think the rot happen only with Warner Bros, some people have discs from different companies that are starting to rot also. Possibly come from the same factory.
afik those xbox drives are just external housings around internal drives, every one i took apart was anyway, and you can stick them inside a system they are just a sata drive inside a housing with a usb adapter. as to rip speed some software will limit rip speeds to a set speed, one trick to speed up ripping and conversion is actually to rip using blindwrite or another software, to an image file, then mount the image file in a virtual drive. dvdfab at least in my testing showed a pretty sizeable dif in speed, as it ripped the files from the disk a best speed, then converted them to whatever format/settings you choose to use, for best size to quality ratio, vp9 is a beast, for faster, gpu accelerated options hevc and avc are supported on nvidia hardware going quite a few gens back now...
Okay, as always, videos are much appreciated but I'm having a hell of a time getting my subtitles to go. I just ripped my copy of 12 Monkeys and then Babel and although it shows all the selected subtitles as options when playing the MKV in VLC there's no actual subtitle displayed. Am I missing something?
As the owner of the HD-DVD connectors edition of Blade Runner, this is interesting. If you could do a similar video about Betamax, that would be helpful for family videos 😂 (serious though)
i Know HOW to RIP a DVD' but Todays DVD has a Block on it so it Cant be Ripped ☹️ so HOW do i RIP a DVD Without Blocking Problems Like This ??? and Everytime i RIP a DVD With a Program Like DVDfab' Some Videos Play' but Some Pictures Have Sound but NO Picture & Some Videos Have a Green Picture and NO Sound ☹️
thanks for the inspiration but from my experience after 4 discs I can tell that the xbox 360 drive worked flawlessly. I even had reading errors with a combo drive. So always try the xbox 360 first if you get discs reading errors...
HL-DT-ST BDDVD GGC-H20L which does both HD DVD and Blu-Ray, the one you have on your video does not read HDDVD, mine actually has on the front DVD door saying Blu-Ray and HDDVD logos. That one in your video does not.
I was just thinking about ripping all my old dvds because of disc rot and your video popped up and I was like “oh I have an xbox hd DVD player” any troubles getting your pc to recognize it? Lol totally deflated looking for drivers for this thing…
i decided to se up a plex server last week, so naturally i need to go through my 60-some hd-dvd's. hopefully this tutorial will assist me in that :) will report back later.
@@EposVox finally got it to work, for some reason i had to install and run anydvd alongside makemkv, otherwise makemkv just locks up during the loading process. ripped 2 discs and have a stack of about 20 to go... thankfully they're all universal/paramount titles because the warner titles went to the landfill 8 years ago. lol
one thing to emphasize from your video.... this format is abysmally slow to rip. takes about 35 minutes per disc. where as my blu-ray drive i can rip a disc in 12 minutes generally.
Nice video-I have an LG GGC-H20L internal drive and I can't get most of my HD-DVD's to rip using MakeMKV (failed to open disc). Works with DVDs & Blurays though. Frustrating-I have 58 HD-DVD tites.
Have the same drive and have had this happen also. Sometimes I can use a combination of anyDVD (there's a trial) + IMGBURN to make an image of the disc and then have MakeMKV use that and it's worked for me, so far. A bit convoluted but if you have discs that you cannot find anywhere else it may be worth attempting.
HD DVD and Blu Ray used identical codecs. I know Blu Ray technically has a higher bit rate, but I'm don't think that effected quality. Maybe if there was a 60 fps film, but movies are 24.
@@EposVox Not trying to argue, but HD DVD does support H.264 but you're just saying your HD dvds were encoded to VC1? I know blu ray supports (I think universal and WB used it early on when publishing both discs) Vc1 also so I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about.
Thanks for this! I just unpacked my old 360 and a ton of movies. Now I am eager to back them up in a hurry in the hopes they don't have rot. :( Now if I could just back up my laser discs....
Dude please tell me what kind of adapter you use to convert displayport or hdmi from a modern gpu to vga to get high refresh rate on a crt. Been looking for a while but I couldn't find anything good...
Would be great if I can get my Windows PC to show the HD DVD...it doesn't even recognize it at all. Is there anything special I need to do to make it recognize there's an HD DVD in the drive?
Hello, I have a question. I have started to rip some of my very old HD DVDs. I ran into a problem with MakeMKV. With my Toshiba SD-H802A I could only rip discs with AACS v1, but not those with AACS v3 or v4. Is this due to the drive? Would it work better with e.g. the XBOX 360 HD-DVD drive? Then I have a second problem. It shows me that the HD-DVD films are in 29.97 fps. The ripped mkv is also in 29.97 fps. But this is wrong, because the video is jerky. If I force the media player or HD-DVD player to 23.976 fps, the jerking stops. How can I change the metadata so that the video is automatically played at the correct 23.976 fps? If you or anyone else has a tip, I would be very grateful.
I am gonna be getting an HD-DVD add for Xbox 360 and some movies with it. I would love to be able to somehow convert HD-DVD movies and return them to Blu-Ray using my Blu-Ray burner. I have a stack of 50GB BD-R discs and 25GB BD-R discs are pretty cheap. I am hoping there is a way to rip to an ISO or similar image format for backup.
@@arbbo1675 What I've done to convert HD DVDs to Blu-Ray iso : Step1) Copy the main movie files using AnyDVD HD . AnyDVD HD does see HD DVD drives and the files on those discs . The movie is usually 2 separate EVO files , sometimes more . Step2) Use tsMuxeR to convert the EVO files to M2TS files . Step3) Use tsMuxeR again to join the M2TS files to make a single large M2TS file containing the whole movie (You can do all the tsMuxing in one single step , but I find it to be more reliable to do it in individual steps) . Step4) Play the file at various points to verify that it has no audio sync problems . Step5) Use tsMuxeR one more time with the M2TS file and create a Blu-Ray iso of it . (Again you can try doing all the tsMuxing in a single step to save time , but doing it in more steps gives you a much more reliable end result)
@@bryanobrien2726 how large are the resulting Blu-Ray ISOs and xo they have chapters/menus/subtitles? I would love to convert HD-DVD movies so I can play on my Blu-Ray player
@@arbbo1675 I've only done it a couple of times years ago . They would not have menus , subs might still work , not sure . Unfortunately the process is not as easy and foolproof as it sounds . Depending on the film , some are very complicated discs like 300 for instance . That disc has multiple video streams with picture in picture and all kinds of features that would likely make making a usable movie out of it nearly impossible . Altering the movie files like this introduces a lot of chance for unforeseen compatibility issues . Trying to do this for any number of discs would be time consuming and frustrating . Really , the only reliable way to continue using the contents of these HD DVD discs is to do a simple rip to hard drive and just archive them all . Even this simple operation has failed on the Mutiny on the Bounty disc for me because the disc is just too complicated to even rip properly .
Hi! I've tried to rip all my HD-DVD's to ISO format (with AnyDVD HD) just to preserve them, then decide how to mux them into a readable format later. Several years ago I bought the last version of PowerDVD which had HD-DVD support, but unfortunately I misplaced it, so now I can't play ISO's directly. Do you know of any software / media box (hardware streamer) which would let me do that? I see the advantage of using MKV, but I would love to be able to play my ISO's straight from my home network's hard disks (I currently do that with all my UHD, BD, 3D BD & DVD's ISO's using a Zidoo media player). Thank you very much for your very informative video.
If you're still interested , you might try KODI . It's a free media player and it has some HD DVD support . As long as you removed the copy protection when you ripped them it just might play them . KODI will even play your HD DVD discs if you run AnyDVD HD in the background . In my opinion it's the best HD DVD compatible player out there .
Is there a way to burn HD DVD’s? When I look it up it’s just DVD’s in HD instead of the actual format. I want to burn something onto one for fun, like some Blu-Ray only movies, it would just be fun.
Somehow you're going to have to convert the Blu-Ray (M2TS) or other movie files to HD DVD (EVO) files . As far as I know the only software that could do this was old versions of Sony Vegas Pro . You could burn it to either HD DVD-Rs or even regular DVD-Rs if the file size was compatible . A friend of mine used this method back in the day to make HD DVDs of the original Star Wars trilogy before they were even released on Blu-Ray . He captured the movies from a 720p HD Cable channel . When you inserted the discs the player's display would say "HD DVD" , even the ones on DVD-Rs . We all thought that was the coolest thing in the world at the time . Don't know if old versions of Sony Vegas still work .
I think MakeMKV is able to circumvent DRM without libdvdcss, while Handbrake requires it, but be careful if you back up your movies, don’t share it to anybody.
@@EposVox PowerDVD 7.3 build 3319a is the only player that works with HD-DVD AACS. You can watch them on MPC-HC with K-Lite codecs as long as you have AnyDVD running in the background
@@EposVox I might be miss remembering but AFAIK the Xbox 360 drives uses Mini SATA Data/Power connector, its not common but it is a standard and you can get a adapter for it.
Just saying....if a person does not have the dll file....only downloading those programs mentions in the video will not work. Especially when ripping to mkv or mp4 rip from all the way to blu-ray
Nah, with all discs at this point, it’s far easier to just rip then play. Playing from Disc requires playing nicely with the DRM and most software doesn’t support it
Right off the bat you're giving inaccurate information @0:45. HD-DVD did NOT used a different laser then Bluray. They both used a blue laser of similar frequency and amplitude. The main differences was file format and data density on the media.
Using the same frequency of light doesn’t mean they’re interchangeable. My point was that it’s a different process (density matters) and they’re formatted different and cannot be used interchangeably. For “right off the bat” that’s probably the only really “inaccurate” information which was more meant to be a dumbed down explanation and really doesn’t negatively affect anyone’s understanding here.
@@EposVox yea I know right? My external bd burner is absolutely fine, but the 360 hddvd drive 👎 It doesn't show up in This Pc or Partition Manager to assign a drive letter. My mate lent the drive to me to see if I could rip Superman as he had the same problem. Device Manager shows it twice with identical details under Other Devices. When I go into properties it just gives the generic code 28, no compatible drivers. All updates up to date. Time to scour the Internet now for solutions.
Superman can rip Optical disks without an optical drive because he can build walls with his eyes and read disks and write them to new disks using the lasers in his eyes. We all know that superman watches movies by reading the data on the optical disks using the lasers in his eyes.
Hey... I think YOU made a HUGE mistake when you bought that drive... YOU - bought the LG GGW-H20L. DO YOU SEE WHERE YOU GOOFED??? I have no idea where on the net you went for information to get an internal PC drive from but right on the WIKI page concerning HD-DVD things near the bottom of that page I'll place here ALL the text on Multi-Format Drives: "Dual-compatibility drives Internal optical disc drive from LG playing both, HD DVD and Blu-ray disks In 2007, LG and Samsung released standalone consumer players that could read both HD DVD and Blu-ray Discs.[a] The machines were sold at premium prices, but failed to sell in large quantities. In May 2008, both companies announced they would stop manufacturing dual-compatibility drives.[64] A few computer manufacturers (such as HP and Acer) sold computers with combination HD DVD/Blu-ray Disc drives. LG marketed a Blu-ray writer that also read HD DVD discs (but could not write to them).[65][66]" (look at the number "65" right at the end of that paragraph, it STATES that the LESSER MODEL WAS NAMED LG GGW-H20L - the NO SO WELL MADE model) Do you see where you went wrong here? OK, I'll CLUE YOU IN THEN - The CORRECT LG Blu-Ray/HD-DVD + LightScibe READER/WRITER you NEED if you wish to PLAY (and write to) BOTH HD-DVD AND BLU-RAY DISCS PROPERLY is the MODEL: LG GGC-H20L!!! NOT THE MODEL LG GG"W"-H20L!!! While it is "TRUE" that the GGW-H20 "COULD" "READ" HD-DVD films there was a HUGE PROBLEM that the public was NOT made aware of: Namely the fact that red diode they used on the LESS expensive to make AND LESS POWERFUL OVERALL! In fact, the Model GGW in MANY OTHER WAYS was really made like some BARGAIN BASEMENT pile of JUNK! THIS - is why you had SO MANY ISSUES when trying to rip the disc DATA onto your PC! - AND - the LG-GGW-H20L CAN NOT "BURN" HD-DVD DISCS... EVER!!! The GGW-H20L was in my opinion "PAWNED OFF" onto the UNSUSPECTING public AT THE SAME DAMN PRICE AS WHAT THE UNIT BEFORE (the GGC-H20L) WAS SOLD AT - WHICH IN MY BOOK WAS A REALLY CRAPPY THING TO DO TO PEOPLE who had in their possession HUNDREDS of HD-DVD's!!! Anyway, today after watching your video here I found on Ebay the Model LG GGC-H20L for a KILLER price (under $40) from a seller who kept this drive in EXCELLENT condition - that will make 3 EXACT drives now that I now own. You never know when one of them will finally give up the ghost ya know! In any case, seeing as I have over 300 HD-DVD's (all in PERFECT working condition btw) I am NOT about to just go out and buy all new Blu-Ray discs for the exact same movies!!! Besides, in my opinion - HD-DVD films LOOK BETTER AND SOUND BETTER than their BLU-RAY brothers. I know, I have had friends come over in the past with their copies of the same movie (I'll use Blade Runner for an example) and WITHOUT telling my friend which version he was about to see I fire off the film and let them DECIDE which version he liked better - time after time (well over 50 films now I've done this with him on the SAME EXACT TV WITH NONE OF THE TV SETTINGS CHANGED IN ANY WAY!) the number of times he liked the HD-DVD version not only "better" but many times he would say "WAY BETTER". In fact in this "BLIND" comparison it now stands at OVER 80%+ the HD-DVD version was PREFERRED!!! I think the ONLY reason Blu-Ray won out was that SONY had GREASED THE PALMS of those who could make or break one over the other! While I CAN'T PROVE THIS it seems to me that Microsoft and Intel were handed a RAW DEAL!!! The COLORS ARE WAY BETTER BALANCED & RICHER, THE AUDIO IS WAY, WAY BETTER and in many cases there are more "extra features" put onto the discs. I would NOT trade my 5-Disc Blade Runner Set for ANYTHING - and - I was given the Blu-Ray 5-disc set version for my B-Day one year and after watching all 5 versions ONCE on Blu-Ray that was enough for me to put away the Blu-Ray set onto the shelf where it STILL SITS COLLECTING DUST until I fall off this spinning rock once and for all! Anyway, this was WAY long winded but I thought you'd like to hear an opinion from one who still thinks MS got the wrong end of the stick thrown at them! OH, and BTW, if you have the NERO v. 8 w/HD-DVD support AND you DON'T let NERO try and FORCE you into UP-GRADE (or UP-DATE) your version of NERO 8 YOU STILL CAN WATCH ON YOUR PC ALL THE HD-DVD MOVIES YOU LIKE!!! Just don't let NERO BULLY you into falling for their MARKETING DEPT. SCAM to TRY and make you "think" you'll STILL be able to watch your HD-DVD's after you upgrade onto whatever version they are peddling these days - JUST DON'T DO IT as they are LYING TO YOU (also, don't let WINDOWS try and "up-date" you either, if you do you will NEVER be able to later go back to the EARLIER version - IT WILL PERMANENTLY RE-WRITE your internal REGISTRY settings to NEVER AGAIN use that older WORKING version of NERO 8 w/HD-DVD support!!! To watch CURRENT Blu-Rays USE ANOTHER SOFTWARE PROGRAM (NOT NERO) for all your Blu-Ray Films!!! THAT IS THE SECRET TO WATCHING HD-DVD's IN 2023 - USE NERO 8 w/HD-DVD support (you'll NEED the original copy of the program that CAME with the LG GGC-H20L when it was SHIPPED FROM THE FACTORY INSIDE THE BOX - NO OTHER VERSION WILL WORK!!!
