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I learned about the Irish war for independence through the film "The wind that shakes the Barley" and it's one of the very few movies that reduces me to a wet snotty bawling mess. I love the added context by EH.
As an Irish person I'm really glad you're mentioning how the rebels didn't have popular support a lot of people tend to ignore that when talking about it.
Yea what you say is important. In ireland tge easter rising is highly celebrated for irelands journey to independance but its not discussed enough WHY it was. The reason the rebellion inspired so many wasnt exactly the rebellion itself, it was the fact that these people were willing to fight and die in a rebellion they knew would lose and then faced their executions in the most brave manner possible
When I was a child, I saw an Irish WWI veteran being interviewed on television about the Easter Rising and saying that the rebel leaders got what they deserved and called them "scum". I remember being shocked that an Irish person could take such a strong view against the fight for freedom but then I later learned the history and the sense of betrayal that was felt by Irish people who were fighting in the Great War.
6:41 the rising in Meath was lead by my great grand uncle Thomas Ashe. He became the president of the IRB in the aftermath and died on Hunger Strike in September 1917.
Obligatory "Foggy Dew" reference: But the bravest fell, and the requiem bell rang mournfully and clear For those who died that Eastertide in the springing of the year And the world did gaze, in deep amaze, at those fearless men, but few Who bore the fight that freedom's light might shine through the foggy dew
*And from the plains of Royal Meath strong men came hurrying through While Britannia's Huns with their long-range guns sailed in through the Foggy Dew*
Back to the Glen I rode again My heart with grief was sore For I parted with those gallant men Who I'd never see no more But to and fro in my dream I go And I kneel and I pray for youuu!
Just watching this I’ve realized something. Writers deserve an amazing congratulations. Not only impecable presentation, but beautiful literary images like the blood streams at the start. Keep it up!
Off topic, but I always like the narration and how well it gets you invested in the story. Also helps how the artwork gives characters so much personality. It made me feel very sorry for that soldier who died after seeing his family (Even though he was fighting for the wrong cause, in my view.)
One thing of note in this is that the post office was where the census records and archives were. All that was lost during the uprising. Unless there is an oral genealogy, there are a lot of family trees that don't go back beyond 1916. The records just don't exist.
That was the four courts mate and it happened during the civil war. The anti treaty side occupied it as they though the treaty side wouldn't dare attack it and lose all that history.
Wish you had mentioned Elizabeth Farrell, the woman who carried the surrender to the British. She was photoshopped out of the photo of the surrender. Also a nod to Margaret Skinnider who fought in the rising and was wounded in the fighting would be nice too. Otherwise a solid episode.
@@ruairiodonohoe2533 Yup, she stepped back so the photographer wouldn't get the satisfaction of getting her face in the photo so you only see her feet. Apparently, she regretted this in later years when the picture became wider circulated.
Their bravest fell and the requiem bell Rang mournfully and clear For those who died that Eastertide in the Springing of the year While the world did gaze with deep amaze At those fearless men but few Who bore the fight that freedom's light Might shine through the foggy dew
As a Hogan, I want to thank you for shedding light on this event both good and bad, it’s always important to see events for what they are, not for what one side has told.
Imagine being a British soldier who has spent the past couple years in the trenches in france, thinking that you are going to chill in Ireland for a while and have some time to rest and recover, and then on Easter you find yourself dodging bullets again on the streets of Dublin.
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@@extrahistory I got a suggestion for two history topics. One is the War of 1812, which is barely covered or known. Another, which you might like is called the Pig War, technically it's not a real war, but almost became one between the USA and the British Empire, and it was almost caused by the death of a pig.
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Thanks for the video. I do hope that there will be a follow up about Ireland Independence. Either next episode or it's own series. Perhaps there is already one? I don't remember honestly.
The 20,000 rifles intended to be delivered to the Irish rebels by the SMS Libau were Mosin-Nagants captured from the Russians by the Germans. Of course, the ship sank having been scuttled but a number of Mosin-Nagants were saved before the ship sank and earlier small deliveries did in part consist of Mosin-Nagants which is why in Easter Rising museums you have a few such rifles on displa.
Considering the lack of support from the civilians, I really don't think it _could_ have been successful. At least, not in the long run. It's just a matter that the British had a massive reserve of loyal personnel that they were able to draw from, while the Irish Rebels did not. Of course, I think we'll see where that went in the next video!
I would argue that the rising not being successful was somewhat necessary. Throughout history, there tends to be a trend of smaller rebellions proceeding a larger one, and while part of this is obviously that it takes time to gain civilian support, the government cracking down every time there's a rebellion only creates more hostility in the citizens. It's a bit cheesy to use a Star wars quote, but I actually think it describes this phenomenon very well, which is "the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems slip between your fingers".
I would assume that it would likely have never gained independence. There would almost certainly have been a local counter revolution and without the harsh British response the majority of Ireland would have still been pro British.
@@aquilamflammeus5569 I don't think the majority were "pro British" per se, more that they were hesitant to encourage violent uprising. There's just no way that the British response turned so many people from genuinely pro British to genuinely anti British, given they had been inflicting worse on the people for long years before this
Just started watching Peaky Blinders a few weeks back and then this popped up... excited to see some of the tangential references on the show to these skirmishes and the eventual bigger conflict to come.
Now I have to get rid of an image of Matt drinking coffee from a carved up plushie of Zoie, crunching pins as sugar cubes. Right in time for Halloween Extra Mythology episodes.
Completely on a tangent, but the bayonet charge is an interesting thing. It is something that has, through the ages from the very first musket to now in 2023, something that works too often to get rid of. Even though other times it goes catastrophically bad. Which is why it is still used.
@@williamcurtis2145 its the renewal fighting betwhen england and america after the civil war and the pig wars closing stage which saw half them americans on the west coast died in casuality ca 2 millions civilians while the english lost another pig again unfortunely
Was really hoping for some mention of the women like Margaret Skinnider, Elizabeth O'Farrell, Lily Kempson, Winifred Carney, and Helena Molony. There were so many women soldiers, snipers, spies, couriers, smugglers, and medics who risked their lives during the Rising, and Constance is often the only one given any credit. Maybe they'll at least bring up Kathleen Clarke's role rebuilding the IRB in the next episode, but I'm not super optimistic at this point.
The Sherwood foresters didn't even know what country they where in (the Mount Street bridge ambush). They were being led by their command and chaplain, having left their heavy weapons in Dún Laoghaire where they had landed and been welcomed with breakfast.
The officer that was stayed behind in the South Dublin Union was Cathal Brugha, he kept singing God Save Ireland, and shooting his pistol at the British in order for his men to get away.
Not really, Collins was a relatively unknown person during the Rising and not a major for player during it, not withstanding the fact that Mick was the man who walked all over the 1916 Proclamation in 1921/22 and then his Irish Free Staters executed far more brave Irish Republicans than the Brits did in 1916.
'Twas England bade our Wild Geese go that small nations might be free. But their lonely graves are by Silva's waves or the fringe of the Great North Sea. Oh, had they died by Pearse's side or fought with Cathal Brugh. Their names we will keep where the fenians sleep 'neath the shroud of the foggy dew.
@@Praisethesunson But most of Northern Ireland wants to be part of the UK. They fought to stay part of the union. That’s up to them, not you. Whether they’ll change their minds anytime soon because of Brexit is unclear. But the people will vote on it, not the IRA.
@@ferretyluv Lol gotta love the British concern for democracy, only when the votes results in the maintenance or expansion of colonial dominating of course.
Ah, the last stand some people who had the dream to rule themselves had the bravery to do against the British Empire. The Irish nationalists are truly an example of people who wanted to rule themselves, albeit quite (very) violently (Just to say I'm Ghanaian, and Asante. The Asante's last stand my ancestors took to protect the greatest symbol of Asante nationalism, the Golden Stool, historically hits different when properly studied)
@@RhelrahneTheIdiot plus not like the British were angels either. What they did in Ireland is the equivalent of what they did in Africa exclude slavery. In fact saying "they got what they deserved" puts down that they deserved an Ireland, which existed a mere 6 years later
@@godlovesyou1995 whoa, I don't think I said glorious although you are right by saying that in the view of Ireland at the time as a whole it wasn't truly a last stand, but I would say the many Irish nationalists at the time probably saw it as such (again, I could be wrong)
How Ireland was born was filled with blood and tragedy Who thinks Ireland could overthrow Britain then.If only the brave men had support from the civilians.
It's interesting to hear that the Easter uprising did not have major popular support, yet as a contrast we can see the support Scottish independence has (albeit probably less than half of all Scots) and the comparison in approach both by the UK government and the people asking for independence. It might be that it's because the advancements in military technology make it virtually impossible for any uprising to be truly sucessful. But I'd like to believe it's because we have advanced into understanding that military conflicts should be a thing of the past altogether. The more barbaric it seems to me the attack of Russia on Ukraine! (and to be fair previosly UK, US and others attack on Iraq) Let us hope, that more people in the world will understand that taking up arms is not an option worth using and rather follow peaceful ways.
Big difference between just supporting independence and supporting the rising. I'd say if there had been a poll on whether Ireland stayed in the UK in 1916, it would have gone in favour of independence.
I feel like you're giving Pearse a bit too much credit. He didn't surrender because the rising had too great a cost, he wanted a great cost. He went in to the rising knowing and even wanting to lose and to die with hundreds of volunteers and civilians. This was not a military operation, this was a group of poets and cultural revivalists trying to create a 'blood sacrifice' to serve as the founding myth of the Irish Republic. Pearse went in trying to become a martyr along with as many others as possible, so that a later rebellion would be more popular and successful.
@@williamcurtis2145 ran out of ammo. And getting executed after surrendering (the standard punishment for rebellion) has the added bonus of making the British look like they're overreacting and feeds into the oppression narrative.
@@Praisethesunson Nor has the war against oppressive government. Keep in mind the government played just as much of a role. It was the national guard who ultimately crushed it.
I really enjoy this series, but it feels like yall are skimming over the ICA, who they were, and why they were fighting. I hope it gets covered in the lies episode.
