Rise of Xim/Cronus in Destiny 2 | Enough is enough... 

Since Apex started taking actions, high-level lobbies are empty and just full of bots. Weird.

"It is tiring having to always wonder what I need to do to improve, when my cheating opponent might have created an impossible problem for me to solve." Well said!

Xim/cronus has genuinely ruined cross play fps. As a former contract esports player its really really sad to see things like. A ban wave wiping out 80% of high elo lobbys for a few weeks. People like to cope and say cheating isnt common but the last year we breached the threshold in most games. Where a net total of over 51% of high ranked players (at least in games like cod) were in some way tool assisted

Wild to think that in D1 Lupo was opening using a Xim and that was his "niche" that drew people to him, like nobody had an issue with it back then because nobody really understood just how bonkers it was.

Holy shit this video is really good, genuinely covered nearly every bullet point I could think of w/o giving out named examples and just got to the point and actually showed the advantages and disadvantages. You cooked.

IM SO GLAD YOU SAID IT! The 20% dead zone has been my actual nightmare. I legit thought it was me being bad at games. Like it was crazy coming back from a hiatus from apex with its ALC settings and then getting a dual sense edge and having even greater control of dead zones and stick sensitivity, I was absolutely eating with customization in Apex. Then I cam back to D2 and wanted to grind rank there again but my aim felt SOOOO slow, literally like you said like dragging my sticks thru mud. I was so confused. I now see it is just D2 forced bullshit. I have to have a separate profile just to make my aim feel slightly comparable to what it is in Apex. Glad to know finally. I can stop tripping.

I am playing a lot, and I mean a lot of PvP. What I realized is that the normal play list and also Trials are infected to the core with cheaters. Almost every second to third game has a ximmer/cheater in it and as veteran pvp player you realize that immediately. What I also hate are those macro SMG-crouch-spammers, why not just press the crouch button manually?

“Underwater with aimbot” is an outrageously accurate way to describe controller aim

I used control freaks in the beginning of my fps pvp escapades. I bought the ps4 back button attachment, but the first pro controller I bought was the ps5 edge. The amount of customizing with deadzones and swappable sticks and paddles are great. Having jump and crouch on the back of the controller help tremendously in gaming in general. Almost feels mandatory in modern competitive fps games. I don't want to get to the times where cheating in games is viewed in the same light. Like keeping up with the competition means having to cheat as well.

Really good video, thank you for chiming in on the topic.

I just use a Dualsense Edge w paddles, literally nothing tweaked besides in game settings and mapping a single paddle to crouch using the default ps5 config software for that controller. I can only use one paddle at a time because I’m still not used to them, if I have two I occasionally fatfinger the other one. The built in trigger stoppers on the controller also help, but that’s as far as I’m willing to go, I just can’t play claw grip and having to take my finger off of the right stick to crouch mid fight completely takes away my ability to throw off others aim from my head. I’ve been playing fps games for over a decade with normal controllers and having said all this I sound like a “bad” or casual player, but having the advantage of that one single paddle did wonders for me. At the end of the day if you have good aim, awareness and knowledge about what you are playing and how you play it there is absolutely no need for any form of “cheating” listed in this video even in the higher echelon of PvP. That’s just my experience as a controller sweat though. Hope the industry takes a step in the right direction to prevent frequent cheating from going unnoticed.

Extremely professional. This was entertaining and informative. Thank you

You're a gem in this community Cammy. Thnx

huge props for showing the optimal potemkin hitbox was not expecting to see that

"Fighting Lion is the best anticheat this game has ever had" I feel that one, it's gotten to the point it never leaves my inventory and usually in pvp doesn't leave my hands either. As much as people might hate it, with how many people out there that are cheaters, it really is one of the few ways to actually effectively counter cheaters

I am a C7 quadraplegic so don't have very good hand fuction and just use a scuf controller, i manage to get by with that so i don't understand people saying cronus is needed for accessability issues.

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I've seen a lot of "network manipulation" hacks in Gambit recently. From instant supers, nonstop invasions, and self reviving. I was told it was "undetectable" and good luck getting them banned even after multiple reporting. I'm sure that kind of stuff is also plaguing Crucible / Trials.

I love when cammy just talks about stuff. I still love his tips for college video he did, even if I first saw it in middle school

Hey cammy, this was a thorough video and your closing question was enough to bring me to your comment section. In destiny 1 I rocked an 8 sensitivity on a standard Xbox controller then bought 2 elite series 1’s. When Destiny 2 came out I always rocked 10 initially. When the sensitivity buffs came out, I found a sweet spot at 15 sense with a 0.6 modifier, sprint modifier was set to max at 0.8. I’ve owned 3 Elite series 2’s as they tend to break a lot and my current controller is a Frankenstein controller running off parts from each of my elite series 2 purchases. I have all 4 paddles (top left crouch, top right jump, bottom left class ability, bottom right swap weapons). Thumbsticks are standard length and loosest tension. My left thumbstick is set to the Aggressive curve maxed. My right thumbstick is set to the Smooth curve @ the 2nd notch. I reached a breaking point recently where all I faced in trials were PK donning titans rocking max range rolled SMGs with minimal stability but maximized aim assist. I’m not gonna lie, I searched up ways to use a cronus and where to buy one. I never bought it but I still feel dirty for even considering it. I’m glad I stayed clean as I just knew the community was reaching a breaking point and I wanted to maintain my dignity. Im happy to rely on my natural ability to use weapons to the absolute max potential such as min/maxed heliocentric sidearm with Moving target/Precision Instrument so I can TTK edge and maximized an 80 mobility Khepris Horn Titan.

I use the gamesir G7 SE controller, with a hair-trigger on RT (firing trigger) and I used the software that comes with it to decrease the dead zones on the joysticks to around 3%. I play 16 sense, 0.5 ads mod, 105 fov, max turn scale. I also have crouch/slide mapped to clicking down my right joystick, A (jump) mapped to the right paddle, and b or x mapped to left back paddle (melee or revive/heavy ammo pick-up)

One thing, on your slide about XIM/Cronus not making a player good, one of the most impactful things that it does is perfect recoil control, at least in other games like apex, turning the flatline into a laserbeam makes the game waay easier and imo the strongest thing that those softwares do.

Dang that is such an impressive breakdown!!

Top notch video. I 100% want better roller settings, it feels so wacky, borderline relearning how I aim playing other games with specific deadzone settings. I feel like achieving a solution (for me at least) is out of the question, I don’t want to have to spend extra money and/or ruin the fun I have by stressing about the potential of something being banned in the future. It may be a lazy or cop out answer as far as playing to win, but my goal is to have fun.

Elite 2 - i've tweaked the thumbstick curve on my aim stick and also the tension on it, which kinda feels better when in D2. In the in-game settings 11 hip turn speed, 0.6 ads (would like this to be more customisable). Use a custom greenthumb layout. It's still not where I'd ideally like (would prefer greater hip fire turn & similar ads as I have now) and I'm loathed to relearn new button combos for a marginal improvement in terms of movement/using abilities more freely.

Xbox gamer here. I started out with just the basic xbox controller, but after trying out my friend's stadia, I fell in love with how the stadia controller felt. About a week later I bought a Razer Wolverine v2 simply because it just fit my hands better like the stadia controller and it has lasted me forever, and I don't think I'd ever buy a different controller at this point. It's a very nice controller.

Well done informative video. Great job with this IMHO!

Your vids are always so consistently good man

Only issue with improved controller settings on d2 would be the xim configs also getting much stronger, probably more so than controller. For example, with the deadzones currently present you're immediately hitting those if you move your mouse too fast. Sure, reduced deadzones would massively help controller, but it'd also worsen the ximming problem. Or the customizable aim response curves, could essentially allow a 1:1 input with virtually no aim accel but all the aim assist of a controller.

Thank you 👍🙂great video. I use nothing. I have concidered buying a scuff. But I’m not a pvp main anymore. I won a some thumb sticks via Kruzer back in the day. Thats abt it. Console only btw.

Just want to say that you made this video very well! Very organized, straight to the point, and you aren’t dumbing down the complexities of the arguments, involving lots of good research/examples while still making it easy to understand. I wonder how many players I’ve been up against running xim or Cronus on console, the cross video had a stat saying it was like a third of all players … that’s scary. My personal set up is an Xbox elite series 2 with paddles for sliding/crouching, and either jumping or reviving depending on my loadout or the game (like in OW I always run jump, same thing in trials, and on strand hunter so I can slide, grab a tangle and 180 turn at the same time, which I do all the time. But otherwise I run jump). My only annoyances with controller is that it limits movement(can’t strafe as fast due to how thumb sticks work, as you talked about) and sens, which also ties into movement, but I like higher sens, feels much more fun and fluid, but higher sens = less precise aim for controller. But controller has more aim assist at least, so if I spec into movement like strand hunter or snap skating on dawnblade, or genji in OW, the movement may be worse, but I have a bit easier time aiming if I hit the initial flick right, which is harder on controller, but the small adjustments aren’t as much of a problem with aim assist

Thank you - your videos are always good.

Yessss the amount of times my “intentional” aim was thwarted due to Over aim assist in Destiny can not be overstated

The video from aztecross was so good too, I feel a change is coming.

Agree with you on settings, for sure we need to be able to adjust specific metrics for each player, I'm playing on a Power A fusion pro 2, just pads at the rear of controller to be able to stick my finger on aiming all the time

Good Video Cammy. I play on a PS5 with a Dualsense Edge controller. We have those settings in the Edge controller settings on the console itself and we can have multiple configs for different games. It's basically the same thing you just got with your new Xbox controller you were testing and configuring on stream. Only thing is that the Dualsense Edge doesn't have Hal-Effect sticks available for it yet, but at least the sticks themselves are modular and easily replaced. Admittedly been years since I've played any FPS/TPS games on PC(MnK back in the mid-2000s), but I hope this info helps.

Glaives are now good anti-cheat against aimbot/wallhack snipers with the passive shield charge giving the ability to peek corners for free and waste enemy ammo. Great video as always, Cam!

Can confirm, XIM are still sold at GameStop.

Hey Cam! Controller recommendations: I heard this one loud and clear. I used to have the same issue you felt when I was playing on my ps4. Once I switched to a ps5 I felt like I at least wasn’t held back by my hardware and I really got down to the nitty gritty of my settings. I used to run max sense all the time and I’m not a hyper aggressive HC/shotty player. I dialed that back to 15 sense and 1.5 still on the ADS modifier. The controller itself is the ps5 dualsense edge with a tall ControlFreak on the right stick to give me fine control over my aim. While the shape still leaves something to be desired(I have arthritis in my hands so the “shriveled grip” is still kind of uncomfortable) it’s miles better than the old ps4 dualsense. This has the added benefit of giving me paddles so I’m not constantly taking my fingers off my aiming stick to jump and/or crouch. I have the jump bound to left paddle and hard toggle crouch bound to right paddle with hold crouch also bound to L3(This lets me crackhead slide in pvp). I also have interact bound to right paddle which lets me still freely aim and shoot back while crouching and reviving in PvP. I have mostly default button binds except I have my unpowered melee bound to R3 and powered bound to R1 so I can pick and choose which one I use when. I have finisher bound to L3/R3 combo so I’m not doing it accidentally in PvE. This is the most comfortable setup I’ve found for running PvP without the game feeling like aiming through molasses or feeling too loose and uncontrollable on the opposite end. The only drawbacks is adjusting to the new button positions and I had to do some weird rebinds in the ps5 edge custom button layouts to make space for button combos. A funny side effect is that sometimes I emote instead of reloading. lol I fixed that by changing the emote time to be long hold and reload to be short press. Thankfully special reloads always seem to take priority(like Izanagi) because they’re also long press. Hope this helps bro!

Glad you talked about steaminput. It's such a great feature that lets me play indie shmups that a) dont have great native controller remapping support and/or b) might need autofire to avoid RSI. In a single player game that's really handy, but clearly any sufficiently powerful feature can be misused.

Great video. As a MnK player, the 20% deadzone on controller in Destiny is crazy. That single-handedly is the greatest disadvantage I can think of and probably the reason why it feels so awful to use. I use an opensource software called Raw Accel to change my mouse inputs from a linear curve to a logarithmic one. This gives me the benefit of having low sensitivity precision with low acceleration movements and the ability to do 180s with faster movements without having to go across my whole desk. If I were on controller, I would immediately search for a similar piece of software to reduce the deadzone size and be able to have a similar acceleration experience with more fine grain control. In my eyes, that would not be cheating as it would modify inputs by a constant set of formulas, similar to that of a change in sensitivity. Any software that goes beyond this limited scope of input manipulation would in my eyes be cheating. Any automation of inputs, macros or otherwise in my eyes is equally cheating. I really hope AI anticheat such as Waldo Vision is able to detect this sort of thing in the future.

Hey Cammy, you asked for some controller advice at the end of your video and I thought I’d provide some. For reference, I play on Xbox series x and have been a part of the Destiny community since Taken King with playing regularly for about 4-6 hours a day (changes depending on school). I started out using a regular controller that came with the console and adjusted my sensitivity to 7 and kept it there for all of D1 and some of D2 until they introduced higher sensitivity options. At that point I went up to 14, played with it for a month and realized that was too much, then went down to 12 where it’s been and probably will remain. I don’t mess with any of the dead zone options or anything extra, just sensitivity and have my muscle memory trained to that specific turning ratio and it’s resulted in me feeling confident in all my gunfights because I’m so finely tuned with the speed at which I turn. This helps with knowing how far I need to turn in order to hit a flick, how far I need to turn to back slide away from my opponents, as well as how much I need to hold down on the thumb stick to keep my recoil steady. I don’t even know what dead zones mean or any of the extra jargain even though I’ve only been a console player for years. As far as the controller I use I’ve found great success in the Elite series 2 controller because solely of the paddles. Being able to press a paddle on the back without having to quickly swap to claw then back again saves necessary time and has allowed me to do a lot of “tech” movements and inputs that gives me an upper hand. It’s still possible with a normal controller but requires a lot more moving my grip around constantly which has gotten me killed in some cases. However, I don’t recommend the Elite Series 2 controller because while it’s very comfortable and has a ton of great settings at your disposal, I’ve found that they don’t last long at all for their price. I’ve had 2 elite controllers and both of them have had their problems after only a year of use, which for the price is ridiculous. I’m looking for a new controller with paddles that isn’t gonna break the bank since I’ve gotten so used to the paddles but I’m not in a rush. The regular Xbox controller has been working great for me. Thanks if you actually read this and let me know if there’s any clarification needed or if you had any questions.

Cammy man your a brilliant, educated,informed,well experienced and completely able to be one of the employed and importantly positioned member of bungies high level team of developers,designers,creates etc.Obviously you have a major voice and influence to the game of destiny and have so for many years and I hope this continues for as long as possible. Your a diamond a light a gauge a compass of the highest calibur.So please keep these video essays health checks reviews coming,much,much respect sir👍

I play on Xbox I use an Xbox Elite Series 2 and use the default Xbox accessories app to configure my controller. 3 paddles The two right: my jump and crouch The 1 on left: reload/interact Left/right stick config: Sensitivity curve: instant Curve adjustment: 2/10 Left and right triggers are at 50 for for max input at less trigger pull. The rest of my cofnig, I usually mess with in game settings with whatever game I’m playing. Destiny 2: 105 FOV 16 Sensitivity with a .6 ADS sensitivity modifier Sprint turn scale: .8 That’s my config. Love the content you put out man. I admire the hell out of you! 😁

When I worked at my local small movie theater, a lot of us played WoW. One of the employees found an automatic fishing macro to use during work rushes. We would all have our laptops lined up on the back counter running the fishing macro simultaneously. After the work rushes, we would cook and sell our fish for gold. Those were good times.

Cheaters are plaguing every modern shooter on every platform. Like the cheater epidemic on R6 siege or overwatch and COD almost all top players are xim or playing with xim . I stopped playing destiny a while ago because controller just feels so bad, i upgraded my PlayStation from the 4-5 and the game feels like shit but in 60 fps. Im a siege player on console and ive been playing for nearly 8 years ive hit the highest ranks and have thousands of hours in the game and it feels like stolen valor like my time has been wasted, and ubisoft doesn’t do anything about the cheaters they have an anti cheat on console called “mousetrap” and all it does is give input delay after it detects a xim but all you have to do to fix it is unplug the xim turn off/on your controller then plug the xim back in

I use a basic PS5 controller on console. Back when I used to main shadebinder I got tired of whiffing my charged melee when wanting to uncharge after a shotgun shot so I keep charged on R1 uncharged on R3. With strand I also changed my my interact button to L2 to quickly grab a tangle after a melee grapple kill, and shoot while reviving. Tougher to pull heavy and die to randomly grabbing a tangle above me when trying to aim but it’s helped me have more semblance of choice 🤷🏼 lol

Explains so much as to why me n most of my friend although in love with the style and game feel will never reinstall destiny 2

The issue with crouch spammers is not that it's a big advantage (tho it probably is if you try to headshot) or that you might emulate it manually (which you can't, at least not without distracting yourself), but that it poses the question what other scripts they are running.

The biggest thing that annoys me as a controller player is that devs balance aim assist by making recoil greater natively. Meaning that even if you turn off aim assist - which I do if given the option - I'm at a much more significant disadvantage. If I could have MnK levels of recoil when I turn AA off I'd literally never use aim assist again. I just want my guns to shoot straight. I don't use any settings in any controllers, I don't use macros, I'll adjust deadzones and things like that if given the in game option, but if it isn't in the game I think it's murky in terms of acceptability.

Last month, I switched to a Dualsense Edge on PS5 from the regular controller because I felt like I was plateau-ing with my controller capabilities. Aim and shoot on the triggers, R1 grenade, L1 hold crouch, X (right paddle) jump, Triangle (left paddle) weapon swap, melee right stick press, sprint left stick. No stick changes, no trigger stops. There’s a ton of stick deadzone settings and button deadzone settings I haven’t used because this is the first time I’ve ever used a controller with paddles-just using default D2 sens (12 and 0.5). It’s been a learning curve, and I don’t see a huge improvement yet other than jumping and aiming together easier. I heard a lot of top controller players play with paddles so I thought it might do me good.

Thankyou for pointint out the difference between controller settings in CoD vs D2. When it comes to aim assist being an issue even in cod it can be to strong to the point of yanking me off target. Difference is i can better finish people off then move onto some one else in cod vs in d2. In d2 my aim being yanked away always results in my death. Also because of dead zones and the such i feel like i am moving in mud when im playing in the crucible while i feel so much faster in CoD. One way i know its time to get a new controller is when i move the camera around. If its noticeably slower in d2 then in CoD its new controller time. I have used custom controllers in the past but im currently using a base ps5 controller for my ps5 and i think its time for a new one as things stand

Seeing anklegator's controller in a Destiny video is a bit of a trip. I've seen it IRL, it's hilarious. For the non-fgc folks here, it's almost like a modern art thing where anklegator is trying to explore the limits of what's legal on a controller, and they do actually play on it--the layout is trying to achieve something similar to macros, where certain difficult button combinations (kara Potemkin Buster being the one I remember) are made easier by just running your finger across a row of buttons.

I’m a PS5 player. 2.23 trials KD with over 130k kills. Classed as top 0.1% (500) per external websites. I main Titan. I use a stock PS5 controller. My config for destiny is: R3 - Hold crouch - This allows me to throw a crouch in (or spam) without moving my thumb. It also allows me to slide without moving my thumb. It took a lot of getting used too. O - this is class ability. L2 - Aim R2 - Shoot L1 - Punch R1 - Grenade - The top buttons are personal preference. Square - Revive (i claw ONLY on revive/power) Triangle - Swap weapon (default) X - Jump Sens - 12 ADS - 0.9 Turn - Max, 1.0? No major adjustments. I consistently get called “cheater” and accused to be using a XIM/Cronus etc. when i play with PC friends the PC opposition do the same. I feel as if people just cannot accept other people can just be better than them without a reason other than skill/practise/talent etc. I’ve played Vs. Some top streamers and re-watched the VoD as i value watching back from PoV of enemy to better my game especially when i lose. But, again. Some accuse me live on stream. I’m 29 and played FPS since i was ~13 so i have 16 years experience. I’m not flashy, not sliding everywhere and trickshoting. My aim is damn near perfect and my game sense is “experienced” and that is my own organic “advantage” over most players. @cammycakes gaming i would happily spend some time with you and talk you through etc.

My boy made a PowerPoint presentation and put it on RU-vid. Excellent info btw, loved this.

Some more reasons why the Xim and Cronus are getting more popular is the games themselves. The live-service game is by far the most popular genre these devices are used in because these games have been out for years. Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch, Rainbow Six Siege, Rust, CoD have all been out for 4+ years. When a game is out that long: -The audience grows immensely (if it’s successful). That will just naturally bring in more cheaters. It will also create content creators (who then might have a monetary incentive to cheat in this way). -If the game is competitive in any way (intentional or not). People will chase the highest rank by whatever means they deem “necessary”. -Player skill will plateau at some point, and some players want to be better immediately without facing the diminishing returns that come from playing more or dedicating actual time and thought into learning something super obscure. The idea of delayed gratification is lost when a player joins a game late. -If a new player goes into these games this late, they will get completely destroyed by veterans. When this happens, the player has choices: hope SBMM takes the wheel and protects them, tough it out and learn the game through facing (and likely losing to) better players, or buy and use the shortcut of a Xim/Cronus to “catchup” to veteran players with artificial combos/techs or aim. -Xim/Cronus users have the time to develop increasingly more effective settings through finding the niche details of the game to optimize scripts and aim assist. This can create more Xim/Cronus users who do the same because of how much the scripts help. -Elitism for cross play games. When cross play is a feature for these games, the community separates naturally into the platforms: Console/PC ; Xbox/Playstation ; PC/Xbox/Playstation. The difference between the inputs or features of each group leads to the group that loses feeling like the other had an advantage. People have different responses to feeling this way (reporting, trash talking, crying in social media, etc…). If it’s the MnK group that loses, some will resort to hard cheats (and they’ll get banned eventually). More dangerous is the console group. If they feel this way, you better believe that some will buy a Xim or Cronus, and that these people won’t get banned. Xim and Cronus have been around much longer than anyone realizes, but it’s the 10-year games that have made them an increasingly prevalent issue. Now that the devices are so popular and haven’t been dealt with at all (though Sony might have temporarily dented Cronus use, a workaround will probably show up soon), similar programs are showing up in games on launch. The Finals faced the ReWASD issue when it wasn’t even out for 2 months. For how Destiny 2 feels on controller, but more specifically Console. It feels terrible. 10 years of Destiny, and console users’ only way to change their aim is still limited sensitivity options. This is bad enough, but the absolute worst thing is that the crosshair on console platforms is not in the center of the screen, it’s significantly below center. On PC, this setting can be changed. On console, the original platform Destiny started on, it cannot. I play on 5 sens with 1.0 ads modifier on my Ps5 because that was my default (so what I played on) since Destiny 1, so I know what my aim can and cannot do. I guess the Destiny console philosophy is don’t fix issues for the group who can’t be heard because the only changes that were notable for consoles were button remapping, sprint-turn scale, sens options going from 10 to 20 (this is the only console specific one IIRC).

Finally more people are taking notice of how ridiculous all of this cheating is. This is coming from a "top 500" player. It honestly makes me want to quit pvp temporarily.

I use a scuff reflex controller for PlayStation and a scuff instinct on Xbox. I maxed out the settings to 20 but I use control freaks foam rings to slow down the aim when I ADS. This gives me the benefit of eight or nine sensitivity when aiming down sites, but I can still make quick turns to get out of a jam or to keep up with MnK users when I play on PC. I sent pictures of my set up to one of your admins in your discord.

The only thing I have on my controller for console are Kontrol Freak stick attachments in order to raise the profile of the stick so I can get more precise movement at low stick distance. I've used nothing else, ever, and don't really feel the need to.

i've never had an issue with playing against "ximmers" because from an improver mentality having perfect level aim is to be expected, if everyone has perfect aim then there would be other things to focus on such as positioning,timing, resource management etc.. and it's the same thing in fighting games. players with good execution will make you hate the character they're using and it shifts the game's meta into a poking meta, in the case of destiny 2 there are so many legitimate degenerate strategies that they might as well be considered cheating because they are so infuriating to deal with and adding a crouch spamming immortal smg invis hunter to the mix is only adding more fuel to a fire you can't extinguish. not trying to defend people who use xim but what bothers me more than them are the people constantly crying about them as if they're the devil of some sort.

I use a Dualsense Edge on PS5 and I enjoy it a lot. It allows me to map my jump and charged melee buttons to paddles to make it a little less awkward to aim/ crouch and jump at the same time, as well as separating my melees into 2 seperate inputs. It doesn’t add new inputs, only allows you to map an existing input to a paddle. This combined with being able to adjust aim response curve as well as deadzones make it worth the price to me. That and if you end up with stick drift you can swap out the analog stick module instead of buying a whole new controller

I have the PlayStation back paddle roller. It allows for customization of dead zones and programming the back paddles. In Destiny, I run 20 sens (max) with a 0.8 ads multiplier to slow down the heat of 20 sens. It’s confirmation to hear you talk about the approximate 20 dead zone for Destiny because I’ve always felt it in hindsight. That’s what the max sens is for. Sensitivity patterns(s curve, linear, etc.) also help with higher sens but I’m not as experienced with that. All other setting are default to my knowledge. The back paddle for my left hand is jump and my right hand is crouch. Also, I’ve done the settings bug where when you bind toggle crouch and hold crouch to the same button(circle, also my right hand back paddle) it creates a visual effect that is jittery and almost like a hyper bag. It requires constant strafing but I do that anyways. Crouch bagging while shooting and strafing isn’t really in my skill tree and I rarely do it. (It’s more for aggressively bagging toxic people lmao) My two accounts are TugboatTheBoat#4149 and TugboatTADpole#9684. Tadpole was the d1 account I shared with my siblings way back and boat is my individual. (Just recently leveled up the tadpole one a few seasons back) hope this helps :)

Hey Cammy, top 1% trials player here on PS5, I use PS pro controller, no dead zone change, I use an a very slight exponential aim curve (native ps pro controller settings that comes with the controller) which allows me to keep low sens at low to moderate stick movement, then faster sens as I push the sticks out to max. 13 sensitivity in game, with a .5 ADS modifier. Hip fire is a huge problem for me, which I know you value though. But you said you want to know so there ya go!

On the elite series 1 and 2, you could change the response curve on the thumbsticks, there was one called instant, and it essentially made your initial input input more, if that makes sense. It made the outrageous deadzones feel better

I’m console for D2, mainly on Xbox Series X but dabble on PS5 here and there too. The controller I use on Xbox is the Wolverine Chroma V2. It has four paddles down the back middle of the controller and two buttons between the bumpers/triggers. I know Razer has an app on Xbox (forgot what it’s called), but you can remap the buttons, paddles, adjust the chroma and I know there is another function on there that I believe is called focus. From what I remember, you basically can assign an input that after it is pressed it will slow down your aiming or at least make your movement a little more intentional. From what I understood, it seemed like it was meant for ADS in FPS games but I could be completely wrong because I don’t use it. I think my settings on D2 itself are set at 7 for sensitivity and button layout is set to puppeteer. As for PS5, I rarely play on there but use the pro controller Sony made for PS5 and it’s alright. It has two paddles on the back that you can swap out similar to the Elite on Xbox, but the battery life is abysmal. I would definitely recommend the Razer Wolverine line though, I got the Wolverine TE a few years back and have stuck with the line and new updated models ever since. The paddle layout for the most part is good and the two buttons in between the bumpers are a game changer. I have jump, crouch, reload and weapon swap all assigned to paddles so my thumbs never leave the sticks. Would recommend that if you’re looking for a good controller, but not sure how much it will help with how D2 feels on console lol. I’m not a pc player and not good at MnK on console games that support it so I’m not too great at knowing the difference. Hope this kinda helped provide some insight!

Not played D2 PvP in about 2 months. I use a Dualsense Edge controller, with the two paddles (left paddle mapped to use/revive/reload & right paddle mapped to crouch/slide) and no other settings changed. In game I use the Bumper Jumper layout and I think I changed my melee bind to not be automatic

I'm using a Dualsense Edge controller with the left paddle on Circle (crouch) and the right paddle on X (jump). I can change my dead zones and stuff in the settings, but I only mess with them when I'm experiencing drift. I can play the same way without paddles, I just have to move my right hand like crazy. I use 20 sens and .5 ADS modifier. Hip-fire is still something I'm getting used to, but it feels amazing.

Haven't even played destiny in a couple years, but I still love your content. This video resonates with me on a separate level due to the parallels with the cheating issues in my new main girl, Tarkov. Of course there's huge differences, and of course, every game will have its cheaters, but I truly agree that swift, decisive action on the part of developers could mitigate the issues to a much greater degree than seems to be the case. Hopefully you find a way to reach your full potential on controller, and I'd love to see you in Tarkov.

I play both pc and console. I use a dualsense Edge with my right paddle on triangle(jump) and left circle(crouch). I haven't changed any stick settings, but I have heard a lot of Edge users say to use the quick setting on the right stick, but I only can imagine that would help with large movements since it still does not effect any dead zone

Im not on console, but I do use controller. Have a scuff impact with back paddles and ill say one of the best changes ive made for movement is having my crouch on one of the back paddles. It frees up ur thumbsticks so u can solely focus on movement and aim with them. It also allows you to crouch spam with out affecting ur aim. Its not for everyone, but I enjoy it alot and i've had many people think Im on m&k because of it.

I love this video, I just want to add to a point you made, a bit. On D2 there is a huge disparity between what *actions* can be input bound to individual *button presses* on switches between using MnK and a controller. Can these at least, be the same? Have I been misreading the UI this whole time, missing something? 🤔💜

I’ve been a pc mnk player for a long time but have recently come back to console. I use an elite series 2 controller on Xbox with the paddles and use the paddles for my crouch/slide, super, powered melee and class ability. It works pretty well and there isn’t a crazy advantage to it considering it’s just rebinding a few extra buttons. It’s the closest I could get to the feeling of my mouse buttons to better my movement.

I use the Victrix Gambit Pro on Xbox. I use four back buttons which are tuned to A (Class ability) , B (Hold to Crouch) , X (Reload - great for bow cancel) , Y (weapon swap) so I don't have to take my thumbs off my sticks. This controller comes with comes with adjustable trigger stops and I have mine on the shortest (?) setting so the that trigger press is as shallow as possible. LB is tied to jump, RB grenade and RS is melee. I have Kontrol freak on RS and I play on 10 sens which is enough to 180 during a stompees/dunes slide and have 0.8 ADS multiplier. My sprint turn is the highest possible. I use the full auto setting for most guns except hand cannons

much needed video!

I play on XSX and have used an elite 2 forever. On D2, I use the max sensitivity of 20 with a 0.7 ADS modifier and a 0.8 turn scale. For the controller I just have instant response curve and digital hair trigger input (I don’t use the physical trigger locks because the hardware is janky sometimes). I use all 4 paddles with each assigned to one of the face buttons: A,B,X,Y. I use my right stick click as my crouch/dive abilities/warlock rift/titan barricade and my B button as Icarus dash or as dodge on hunter. The primary issues I face in PVP is trouble shotgun flicking up close and trouble aim adjusting airborne due to the fact that my sensitivity needs to be so high for better movement.

I use an Xbox Elite series 2 controller with one back button dedicated to crouch. I also changed the button binds so that my power melee is on the right thumbstick press (finisher is remapped to be both thumbsticks pressed). I've been paying Destiny on console exclusively until about 2 months ago when I got a pc. Going back and forth from kbm to controller is night and day for precision aiming. It takes a lot of time to get used to the dead zones, but if you didn't know you can make the tension on the elite controller thumbsticks tighter on the controller physically itself.

If you do end up seeing this, I've always been a console player. I'd probably be considered a "top percentile" player by most standards. Up until a couple months ago I've always used the default controller for ps4 and ps5. Default controller, default button set up with triggers swapped (ADS/Fire with L1/R1 vs L2/R2) I play at 19 sens and .9 ads multiplier. I guess i couldnt say if that makes it feel "good" as I'm not very knowledgeable about how fps games are supposed to feel, but I think it feels good to me. I don't play claw or anything so I've always just whipped my right thumb to whatever button I need to press and back to the stick. Has worked out well enough. When I said this was the case until a couple months ago it's because I bought a battle beaver with 4 back buttons. It was a slog to get used to that after practically 9 or 10 years of playing destiny the same way with no extra buttons but I've gotten used to it. I will say it has made me FEEL like my aim has gotten better but my performance overall hasn't really changed. I'm not sure if this would help you enjoy controller better or whatever intent you were asking for, but I just felt like sharing.

I'll say it every time; I love this format. Your thoughts and opinions are also amongst the most well-balanced and insightful, no matter the topic

My favorite controller for console and for pc is my razer wolverine ultimate i use it for almost every shooter i play and even racing games. It has incredible feel and the buttons are great, the triggers have a lock on them to make em short throw. 1 thing to mention is it does have 6 programable buttons but they can only be mapped to other buttons on the controller but it has no turbo feature. If you are new to "pro" controllers or if you're coming from pc to console it feels incredible and it is easy to learn. Sadly it is xbox only

Very interesting video. I am not well versed in the whole device thing other than just knowing their names and what they do, but I have to admit, as a top player, it is frustrating to have to worry if the player was just better than me, if I made a bad play, or does he just have an advantage that was impossible to overcome anyways. With al that aside, I do have controller settings that have made Destiny 2 feel less sluggosh coming from a default ps5 controller to the pro. In fact, I honestly think to play at the highest skill level, it becomes necessary. Here are my settings: Dualsense Edge: Button Assignments - O and R3 are remapped, Left back paddle is X, Right back paddle is Sqaure Stick Sense/Deadzones - Left stick digital curve with -4 curve adjustment and 0% dz adjustment, Right stick quick curve with -4 curve adjustment and 0% dz adjustment (I don't know if these setting clash with the default curve and deadzones of Destiny 2 unfornately but they definitely help me feel quicker. The only time you have to take your thumb off the joystick is to quickly switch weapons, but buttons optimized for jumping, crouching, sliding, and interaction with environment. ) Destiny 2 Settings: Default Movement Controls Button Layout: Auto Melee is R1, uncharged melee is R3 (to avoid conflict with throwable melees and strand grappling), finisher is down and right on dpad, inspect player is down and left on player, everything else is default Look Sensitivity - 16 ADS Sens - 1.0 Sprint - Turn Scale - 0.8 Double Press Delay - 1 No Vibration settings for anything (the tingle makes my hand feels wierd) Not trying to promote my video in your comments or anything but I am posting a controller setting video tomorrow as well, I am posting a controller settings video tomorrow, I am a smaller channel as well. Hope this helps you cammy and great video as always!

I just use my base PS5 controller. I prefer to leave the settings as is due to how limited customization in on the controllers half. I typically pair this with higher sensitivity to help myself keep up with PC players as I find the slow turn speed to be a huge detriment. One major note that I will add is that some controllers will have different calibrations for how fast you can look around/move due to how the controller was built. My preferred controller has a looser look stick that allows me to turn faster than my other controllers due to the resistance not being as strong in comparison to others. I don’t personally feel like spending an arm and a leg on a “better” controller when I have one that just works. If you want a good controller, make sure that it’s feel fits the way you want to play. If you have a majority of your actions bound to buttons: make sure the buttons feel right. If you like to flick: pick a controller that has less resistance and a smaller dead zone. I’m nothing special with my controller selection, but that’s my perspective on this. Edit: I am a GL main on console, so I’m biased towards having an easier time looking around, but everything else I said prior stands as is. 16 Sens, 1.8x multiplier (Could be higher.), max turn scale radius bump.

Razr Wolverine Ultimate on XB... have yet to figure out the other settings, everything I tried came to a similar result - inconsistent dead zone and reticle movement / tracking / friction. But even with these inconsistent challenges, the wolverine ultimate was the most consistent feeling. Also the only wired pro-controller I have used, if that means anything.

Xbox elite is the best roller I’ve used, I go without emotes and use my dpad for class abilities ect. They can then be mapped to a paddle so you can crouch freely without having your class ability on the same button. Paddles have been the biggest upgrade for me being able to look around while sliding/ changing weapons is a game changer.

Hey Cammy, great vid as always. I was curious, since you mentioned it in the PowerPoint, do you have a secondary channel or stream where you play fighting games? I'd be down to watch you, mainly because I've never fully understood the competitive FPS community, speaking as someone who came from the FGC, so seeing someone who's into both would be cool. Anyways, enjoy your day!

Hey cammy, I know that Multimach on twitter was saying that with the dualsense edge you can change the response curve on ps5 to quick and it felt a lot better, haven't done any of that myself as I play PC but he and a couple others said it was a lot better.

I've used an Xbox elite controller for a while now. Have the paddles on the back is what enabled me to keep up with pc lobbies on console. I'll also say higher sense does mitigate some of those issues. I find it easier to over ride AA drag a little and also ignore destiny's larger deadzones to a small degree. I know you prefer low sense for sniping tho

I use a dual sense edge on ps5, both stick clicks mapped to the back paddles, powered melee assigned to to the dual simultaneous stick clicks, and non power melee on right bumper. If I'm playing trials or comp, crouch and run go to the back paddles while power melee remains dual stick click and non powered melee on the right bumper. Dead zones always go to the smallest value possible without drift regardless of what I'm playing.

I use the DualSense Edge, it does have the customizable deadzone you're looking for w/o all the other problems. I've got a little arthritis in my trigger fingers and honestly the need for any cheat/disability stuff was removed for me when Bungie let us go full auto, which let me retire the controller that had a full auto switch.

I’ve not played much MnK, so I don’t have the comparison, but I just use the Dualsense Edge on ps5 with paddles. I set the dead zones as low as they could go and I play at 20 sens in game, and it feels alright to me!

On destiny I use the Xbox elite 2 and have my bottom left, bottom right, top left, and top right set to B for crouch/slide/class ability, A for jump, a remapped left on the d-pad (because it was the most out of the way button) to charged melee, and X for reload respectively. I have right bumper set to uncharged melee and so the this setup I feel that I have complete control of my Kirby all times with no hiccups

As someone who play a lot of fps games. My overall skill when up by ~30% when I swapped to a new gen, and even more by buying kontrolfreeks. I also bought a powerA controller with two back paddles. Before that I had a old gen with an elite series controller and I was noticably worse during that. The setting I use as an Xbox player is: 20 look sens, .7 ads modifier, max turn scale, and I have custom binds as follows: alternate weapon on double tap X, super on left D-pad, charged melee on right stock in, uncharged on right bumper, hold crouch on press B, both hunter and titan ability on hold B, warlock on double tap since I use Phoenix dive, and press right on D-pad to pull out my heavy. My two paddles are A (jump) on the left and B (crouch) on the right.

I use Razer Wolverine v1 (I prefer V1 over v2), I use the paddles that change the sensitivity in real time I use for turning around instantly (by holding a paddle to increase the sensitivity during the turn), everything else is just standard, I'm a 1.7KD on IB still learning, you might be able to use them to deal with the deadzones but that will require holding another button to increase the sensitivity momentaneously

When I was on console and played a lot, controller felt good. But after going to PC, controller didn't feel great at all. I used a razor wolverine controller with the back paddles being: M6- A M5-B. M3-X. M4-Y. I also played on 8 look sensitivity, maxed turn radius, and 1.4 zoom sensitivity. This made it honestly feel really good to use snipers, tracking weapons like smgs and autos, but did make scots a bit sluggish.

Thank you for making this video it really highlights the issues with cheating in d2

I personally use the Elite 2 controller and use the Instant curve for my right stick and default on left. I adjust the curve for the instant stick slightly higher and in Destiny I have my sensitivity at 7 and an ADS of 7/8

I actually use a controller that you recommended in a previous video. I use it basically the same as a nornal controller except i have hair triggers so it shoots instantly rather than having to pull the trigger all the way down

I run a scuff instinct with paddles, I have revive, dodge/icarus dash, and jump bound to the paddles and slide with the right thumb stick. It works pretty well for me and I have stuck with it since my first elite controller. I use the same config on pc in pc lobbies and the overall stats are roughly the same. I'm consistently flawless and I sit in ascendant in comp. That being said, the elite, and maybe the scuff I haven't looked can have custom settings. You can use the xbox device settings to tune deadzones, trigger settings, and custom button mapping beyond what d2 allows. With the eliter controller these custom settings save to a profile on the controller and work on pc and console and for any game

Great video. I didn’t know anything about all this stuff until now. I play on controller, for 10+ years and don’t know what m&k feels like. I don’t care, I have good muscle memory and play all three characters. I have a respectable KDA and enjoy the game as is.

Hey Cammy. I am a controller user on both console, and PC. I use the elite series 2, with the springs tensioned to the max, and the deadzone set to the minimum I can utilize without drift. I feel what you are saying, with it feeling like it takes forever to start aiming, but I have very few issues. I play with ingame settings of 16 and .5, and It helps my turning ability and macro movements, and with ADS, it slows it considerably to the point the 20 percent is not noticable, as I have to make larger movements to get on point anyway. That has helped a ton and I never use anything outside of default settings, only rebind things to my paddles, and ingame sensitivity is usually enough for me to be decent. I am not a top player. Far from it. However I hold a 1.4 KDA in D2, dont play trials, but I find the gap to be very miniscule between me and my friends on MNK. So there it is

I just have 1 joystick extender on the right thumbstick . Playing on 10 sense feels like 5 or 6 with the extender. Try it out cause that helps the deadzone problem . But yes the settings on destiny r not really even settings for controllers lol great video btw