Too funny. My Dad knew Coco in Bermuda. Grew up in Somerset. This video series is important. Developing a decision process BEFORE being faced with a go/no-go decision while under life's pressures, will keep you alive. In flight test at Boeing, we took "I've got a bad feeling" very seriously. Lost a business partner in a plane crash due to poor decisions, coupled with systems failures. The lining up of the holes in Swiss cheese is a good analogy. Catastrophic failures rarely occur in a singular fashion. It's usually two coupled failures, often ignored, that bite you when the third system fails.
I agree 100% with the gut feeling. Been a pilot for 25 years and 16 of those fighting fires. It’s the gut feeling that allows me to go home. It’s a subconscious feeling that’s hard to understand at first but needs to be listened to. If something does not feel right, stop, take a breath and restart the flight/sail plan because you missed something. So what, take the extra hour or day but until that knot goes away step back and rethink.
As a USMC aviator for 26 years and an instructor at a major US airline for another 20, this is a super interesting subject for you guys to discuss. If people would think through some of these ideas and concepts in their every day life they would experience a lot less pain and heartache. Great job.
Excellent Ryan and Sophie (and Andy). I sailed my Swan 38 back from Finland to Netherlands over the summer - having just bought her and never sailed her before. I took a good friend of mine who I have sailed with ✅ and my kids (teenagers). We overloaded on due diligence and building redundancy into everything we did. I didn’t realise it for what it was until I watched this. We were just super nervous and hence, super careful! Andy - I am going to subscribe - I follow you in IG, and love your approach - it’s a real benefit for the industry and recreational sailors too. Good stuff all of you! I love that you have connected too!
Again another well put together video, and on a great subject, we use this everyday, driving a car, going to Thanksgiving dinner with family, or running with scissors. It is a practiced skill with a variable consequence (not everything is life and death). But not everyone is good with it, but that is why we have firefighters, hospitals and insurance.
Ryan, all this is, is common sense without all the acronyms. You don't need to justify your decision and drag this out in 3 or more videos while the power boat owners are probably cringing while watching this. I know I was. After 70,000 miles of sailing the best crew is no crew. If the boat or crew seem unable to do the trip then walk off. The owners will work it out. We watched Sailing GBU Boat Fail Flex Seal straight after your vlog and they have fun and embrace their "risk management strategies". Watch it. You'll learn a lot. We love your channel but please just move on.
Hey! Thanks for the comment, I’m glad you like our channel! Just a quick reminder that the topics we choose to bring up are our prerogative, and watching is yours. If a topic we cover makes you cringe, just don’t watch! No biggy ;) (may I add, there are tons of cookie cutter sailing channels out there, some of them who could use a lesson or two on risk management)
@@RyanSophieSailing Ryan we'll continue to watch and enjoy your videos. You might also really enjoy reading Captain Robert P Beebe's Voyaging Under Power 4th Edition as it is the most authoritative book assessing the various risks associated with crossing oceans on small power boats. It's highly mathematical and a rigorous treatment of this subject and I'm certain will be right up your alley.
Along with Ran Sailing, R & S sailing is a primary reason my wife and I are now becoming full-time 'liveaboards'. I have been an avid follower and look up to you both for advice and inspiration; however, I do feel for the other party involved in this matter. I won't pretend to understand what happened, but question the use of this person(s) in an open forum, with them central to the topic. If this was about me I would be extremely upset and embarrassed. The topic is great (as I actually teach it) and extremely informative for your viewers. I appreciate that YT channel content is the prerogative of its owner, but subscribers and patreons will also use their prerogatives and we would hate for something as simple as misinterpretation to damage your superb reputation and ability to keep going. Please don't misinterpret feedback as criticism as we hold you both in high regard.
Super video guys, lots of great things to consider in this one. When Andy speaks about gut, he's referring to an inner sense, seen as intuition. It can surely be counted on and is supposed to be used, and refined through experience, and trust. Part 2 should be fun!
Hi there, THANK YOU for sharing this information about risk assesment. It clearly shows that there are "proper" ways to evaluate certain situations. It got me thinking on my work as a safety officer, way back then :) The best lesson I got out of that is : Stop, think, act. Stop and asses the situation, think in solutions, act accordingly. With regard of hazards, safety and so on. BUT I can imagine that on a boat, somewhere commited in a passage... at 05 in the morning..It takes nerves to handle the situation, without panic. Guess that's why they say you grow with your boat, and nerves will transform into an understanding. First time of anything is exiting, let alone on a boat. It takes time to get used to the noises that a boat has.. And keep in mind that 99% of them, are good sounds :) Thank you, again.. Say THANKS to Andy also... looks like a great guy !! Love your vids, and your courage.. Stay safe !! Regards from Holland, Gijs
Great video! Reminds me of the delivery of my new to me 40 year old sailboat. 100 mile trip from Chula Vista California to Long Beach California. What could go wrong! In retrospect, I really didn't know ANYTHING... Anybody can buy a boat and now they are the Skipper, no qualifications required. Luckily I got a friend who has raced and delivered sailboats for many years to help with the delivery. When poo hit the fan he explained my options, gave his recommendation and made me decide what to do. I really learned that I didn't know anything on my first delivery.
Great video and I look forward to part 2 (3, 4 and more) since this is actually a very important subject, and in my opinion, could save lives. When I started sailing, I was surprised some of the crew/risk management concepts I learned from flying (20 years in USAF C-130) haven't transitioned to sailing or to boating in general. Our boats are relatively safe, the decisions we make cause the problems (pilot/skipper error) and I look forward to your future videos on this subject.
Something that many people need to come to grip with. I don’t know what I don’t know. I think a risk assessment/management class/program for sailing would be an excellent idea.
Chris. I feel very honored and accept this nomination with a little tear in my eye (and I’ll use it to tell Ryan that shipping my 3 kilos of shampoo across the globe was as worth as shipping anti-fouling). /Sophie
A local 70 foot racing sloop was headed from New Orleans to Key West for Key West Race Week. The mast and keel had been modified prior to the trip. In the middle of the night the keel fell off in 20 foot seas. It ripped a large hole in the hull and slipped below the waves in 2 minutes. Someone dove down and cut the life raft loose and all of the mostly sleeping crew got out and into the raft. Two days later a Greek freighter pick them up and dropped them off in Mobile, Alabama. The hull washed up on a beach near Tampa, Fl. 6 months later. In another incident, a couple anchored outside the ICW channel at night, near Gulfport, Ms. was run over by a barge tow that veered outside the channel and smashed the boat down into the soft bottom. The sailboat was snagged by a shrimper about 9 months later and the couple's bodies were recovered from the boat. Be careful where you anchor.
That's what I love the most - finding stuff used in other applications and bringing it into sailing. Leadership. risk management, philosophy, etc. It's really fun.
In the early 90's I was 20 something living in Ketchikan, AK. I had a seasonal position starting in a couple of months. I was recommended for a delivery crew on a trawler that was in Florida. I met with the owner/captain (seasoned fisherman and two of his everyday crew, on his "flagship"). I excepted as after watching deckhand. I was extatic... I mean a 30 day cruise across the gulf, thru the canal and up the west coast back to AK. A friend of mine started having ominous dreams and two week before we were to leave... she shared. Tail tucked in shame I told the owner/captain that I would not be able to make the trip. I used the seasonal job jumpstarting as an excuse, never sharing about the dreams the dreams. He was disappointed, but knew I had obligations. I was upset about my choice, but put faith in intuition. The delivery ended up taking three months. They lost both engines at different times. They lost steering once. The boat grounded twice. The second was on an uncharted rock and was severe enough to rip a 12 inche gash in the hull and required a tow. I know all of this because I am still good friends with said Owner/captain and years later told all, including how OMINOUS her dreams were. They made it unharmed and the boat is still fishing AK waters. I often wonder what may have been if I, as a novice deck hand, had been along for the ride.
2:10 Ahhh, the dream team together at last! I love the 59 North podcasts and your channel, so this is great :-) Time to pause the video, make a fresh cuppa and settle back in my chair.
You might want to include ISO14971 in your program on Risk Managment. I work in medical devices and use the RMS standard in making decisions on effectiveness of mitigations I have prepared. Kind of like when you took extra drinking water on your crossing to mitigate a water maker failure.
Hi BadCat! I could have because I’m seriously off on my publishing schedule, but decided against and released it yesterday :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C7eQ3lk3F6E.html
While I understand the concept and your thinking on this subject I cant help thinking about Columbus, Drake, Magellan, Sir Francis Chichester , to name but a few and wonder what would have happened if they had brought risk management into their thinking. I wonder are you thinking too much. I am a great believer in the acronym KISS , Keep It simple stupid. If it is obvious the boat is not fit for purpose, don't sail/motor it , if there are not enough provisions, food fuel etc., don't go. Simples. Being ex military I know that a person can change when couped up with strangers in a small living space, but it can take time for this to appear so you have to keep calm and carry on. Concentrate on yourself and how you behave/handle it. Just my own thoughts while I sit here on the cliff hanger of you two getting reunited with your boat. Stay safe and healthy from an Irish follower, Pat.
Those guys are all-time explorers and I'm sure were okay with not coming back again...that's not what we're talking about here, we're talking about normal people who'd never risk it all for a little bit of adventure. Those guys did, but that's a different scenario! We're doing this recreationally ;)
Airbus and their suppliers have to use DFEMA and PFMEA. I worked for a supplier. Design/Production Failure Effects Modes & Analysis. I have lead many risk assessment teams.
If I understand thy video; based on a gut feeling, re the skipper and mate not having enough experience, you did not sail, correct? I feel I am missing something, the point as it where, the reason! Though I do like your help with the risk assessment concepts for wannabe crew and captain, no one wants DNAB's. Thus I kinda half like this vlog and half don't! Hope you get home to Polar Seal soon, hugs.
Great discussion. Concepts are relevant to many other corners of our lives. Acknowledging the existence of risk in an endeavor can be difficult for many. The current Covid-19 pandemic is illustrative. It can be easy for emotions to override good risk management practices. Vigilance is key. Murphy lives; don't give him a turn on the helm.
This sounds broadly the same as FMEA (failure mode effect analysis) which breaks this risk management down to a mathematical equation. Its used extensively particularly in manufacturing environments, but should be applicable to sailing. Mitigations can then be factored in. For example, it may be identified that your highest risk issue is the boat catching fire during a fuel leak. This risk could be mitigated by using a different hose material, rerouting the fuel hose, fire extinguishers, and so on. The calculation is then rerun, and the next highest risk is identified and hopefully mitigated. Over numerous passes you should be left with a relatively low risk environment. In manufacturing this is usually used to ensure continued production and the liklihood of downtime, eg building burns down, machines breakdown, there's a global pandemic etc (I bet no-one had global pandemic in there FMEA analysis though! 😁)
Thanks! I felt that this would have been super helpful to me before we started sailing. Ryan knew all about it, but it took a long time before we started discussing how his experience of risk management directly applied to our offshore sailing travels. Now looking back, I understand a little better why I’ve always felt so safe :) /Sophie
Nice video however a even better risk management would be to utlize the FMEA concept. It has 3 points instead of just Severity and Occurance also Detection is added. Each have points from 1-10 and then one multiply them with eachother to get RPN (Risk Priority Number) that the higher the number the more important to make actions. Normally one would make an action on anything over 100 in a production process, for sailing, even lower.
We are most definitely recreational sailors :) with only a RYA Day Skipper under our belts, we do not have the type of professional training or even half of the experience Andy does. THOUGH, it may happen someday ;) Mega thanks for the compliment though, we love what we do and take it seriously. Check out part 2 to find out what happened! /Sophie
Used to enjoy this channel. Looking forward to you going back to your boat and start making funny and interesting videos. I understand that you are landlocked and running out of subjects for videos and you need the money! Good luck and hope you make it back to your boat soon.
Hi Frank! So glad you like he channel :) just a quick reminder that choosing our topics and making the videos we want is our prerogative. Watching (or not watching) is yours! There are lots of cookie cutter sailing channels out there with fun content. There are definitely not as many that discuss risk management and safety issues, and certainly a few that could use those concepts :)
Constructive critique be it good or bad is a positive thing as it gives you an insight into how your content is viewed. What you do with that critique is naturally up to you. However, If enough people tell you there is an issue then logic suggests there is an issue. No doubt you look at your viewer numbers and income stream. I’m sure you also filter comments accordingly so will have a view that you chose to obscure from public attention. As I said in my earlier comments I also used to enjoy. I still watch in the hope it improves but there may come a time when I chose not to watch. I hope my insights will be of some help.
So just to be clear: we do not delete comments, we block users who use abusive language, and we do not waste time doing so. I do respect that some viewers might like some videos more than others. But at the end of the day, if we wanted to change the direction of our channel to exclusively feature Ryan in bikinis, we would absolutely do it even if it displeases some. Who knows who may enjoy it? ;) We are creators, not a marketing machine. If we were only after money or a huge amount of subscribers, we would do things a lot differently. /Sophie
I do wish you hadn’t used the word ‘threat’. It’s got a particular meaning in military intelligence where it measures the capability and intentions of a potential enemy. I think for ‘risk’ a better word is ‘hazard’ which is defined by ISO 9000 as something with the ‘potential to do harm’
In the risk management world the word threat is the accepted and correct terminology however I think your comment centers around the idea that different meanings related to different industries which is true and valid point. Ryan
Pilots use the word threat management in a different way than military. For a pilot a threat is something that could become a safety of flight issue. They did say that they were using his pilot formation to this topic :)
Part deux !?!?! Grrr... Like others I was hoping you'd reveal the issues. HOWEVER, I'm looking forward to next weeks vlog. R U all set for XMAS??? Take care :-)
I wonder if SV Delos have any DNAB's? . Something more interesting than risk management might be the stories behind those DNAB's! . How bad do you have to be? .
@@RyanSophieSailing Great, I flew Boeing 777 and now retired teach young pilots to fly Lear 45 in simulators. Risk management which we call threat and error management and CRM are high on my agenda
For real now.): We just had to laugh when we heard about the Swiss Cheese Model for the first time. Thanks for the informative video. Greetings from Switzerland.
I meant to mention this Colin - on that crewing matrix, just because they are a 'professional' means nothing in a vacuum. Still need to do proper due diligence. I mean, they made a documentary about this called CAPTAIN RON ;)
I understand what you are doing here...and you’ve got a point. That said, Andy is a very experienced sailor. I love his podcasts. I also think you should say sorry to the people who wanted to help you. And I mean a really big sorry. You’ve really put them in bad lights. They might not be informed like you guys are... You’ve should’ve helped them. That is the nr 1 rule of safety. That is the sailors way. Sorry but you guys give me the feeling that you are going for new some inspiration and views. You really make me feel sorry for those people who wanted to help you. Knowing this...I would never ask you guys to sail with me. Maybe they might have an accident that you guy’s could prevent. Anyway it ain’t, it ain’t the sailors way.
Hello. Thanks for the comment. I could not agree more that in sailing we need to help others (in life we need to do this)... we live by this everyday. even after taking about our concerns with the owners we did send them a formal letter explaining our thoughts, concerns and offered some alternatives both in case they decided not to go and if they did. Regarding the owners feelings. This was heavy in our hearts however after thinking about this for a considerable amount of time, we tried to find the most fair way to present a situation so others may learn. Ryan
@@RyanSophieSailing I found your channel because it was set in Almirimar which I have loved visiting in various boats for decades - and you put on a very entertaining well presented show. What I do not understand is why you didn't sit the owners down and explain to the why it was not going to work. Tell them to ship the boat which probably cost no more than the fuel... I was in Gib one time with a really nice French older guy who had just got a largish heavy boat and he came to me and asked if it would get across the Atlantic as someone said it wouldn't. Actually it would , slowly and probably not with him as skipper so I persuaded him to ship it by getting all the information and costs for doing that - and that is what he did... Sometimes making drama creates drama and finding subjects each week for a video is quite hard...
We did exactly that... sitting down, voicing our concerns and explaining the reasons why we felt the crossing was too risky. As Ryan mentioned above, we even wrote a letter giving our recommendations. The only drama was the mess we found ourselves in as a result of making oursleves a little too dependent on the passage ;) /Sophie (ps: sounds like you haven’t watched part 2)
Sorry guys. It was pretty busy, I didn’t checked YT for a while. Thank you for replying, really. Maybe I was a bit to hard on you guys. Sorry for that. Tekst messages can be hard sometimes. I’d rather have a good conversation instead. Don’t you? Don’t get me wrong I do think you guys bring good content. And if you tried to help them......then there is nothing more you can do. We are always learning I guess... :)
Swedish armdforces youse the same riskmanagement metode. An exercise get risk points acoring too howe frekvent the exercise are and what the consekvensis are. So friday afternoon "Innebandy" (there are no english word) gets more risk points then a combat exercise whit GRIPEN.
@@RyanSophieSailing So sorry to hear, why not go the commercial route to stay in aviation? Or was there reasons why that wasn't a possible route? As an aviation nerd who got my dreams crushed well before I even could start the act of leaving that world is baffling to me.
Always wondered how anyone can buy a sailboat with only a soon to be former owners’ word and a surveyors word that everything is fine and was done in accordance with a known standard. Then there is the crew experience deal which is the scariest aspect. Or the “forgot to tell you” stuff like the fuel tank hasn’t been checked since purchase and the engine quits after 50 hours requiring filter changes sorta thing. Scary stuff...
Sorry about that Lars... normally RU-vid provides them automatically, but I’ve received a few comments saying they missed it. I’ll add them manually tomorrow. /Sophie
@@RyanSophieSailing les sous-titres sont en anglais mais il y a toujours la possibilité de faire une traduction automatique dans n'importe quelle langue. Mais pour çà il faut que les sous-titres soient actifs et ils ne le sont plus depuis deux vidéos.
Je crois que RU-vid fait ça automatiquement, mais ça prend du temps après l’upload. Normalement, toutes nos vidéos sont publiées en avance sur Patreon, et rendue publiques plus tard. Les deux dernières vidéos, je n’ai pas pu faire ça, et les vidéos ont été rendues publiques immédiatement. Les sous titres devraient se générer d’ici sous peu. Notre vidéo de la semaine dernière a t-elle des sous titres maintenant?
Just wait a darn minute. I'm shocked, I dont know if I can go on and Peat is looking rather confused. You don't eat cheese. Fromage? and your French. We are shocked!
I keep dipping in and out of all these videos of yours about why you had to make this decision , and there is nothing concretet . I think you just bottled out . Good job Columbus wasn't a snowflake or Europe would be a lot more crowded than it is to-day .
@@RyanSophieSailing Fair point! The one where a certain someone of French decent doesn't eat cheese. Are you banished from the country? Is that why you're living on a boat? You can be honest. :P
Busted. I was kicked out of France 12 years ago for disliking cheese since birth. I was deported to Sweden where my sentence consisted in the rest of the world giving me cr@#% for my deficient tastebuds 😂
Okay.. that does it. I just found out Sophie doesn't like cheese. I'm out of here... Just kidding :-) I'm still trying to figure out how two guys, who I believe are American, ended up in Sweden.
I guess you like to frustrate and tease people. 3 weeks and we still dont know why you did not get on that boat. But I dont have a you tube channel and dont need subscribers and patrons, so I dont get your strategy.
Hi guys! No, we don’t purposely tease our viewers. We just feel that the sailing RU-vid community isn’t as good as presenting sailing from a safety and risk management stance than it is at “selling the dream”, and we want to fill that space. Our goal isn’t to make the reasons why we pulled the plug a “juicy story”, or verse into sensationalism, but to talk about risk management. And there are too many aspects to talk about to pack it all in one video! So if all you want are the “details”, yep, you’ll have to wait for part 2 and more discussions about risk (not enjoying the comparison with Trump much, btw) /Sophie
Well I guess you win. You are absolutely right and know every bit of my intentions. How nice for me that I won’t have to make my own intentions in the future, and will simply differ to you 😉 (part 2 is being published today btw)
Be careful blaming the boat - a good sailor skilled in the art of seamanship can safely sail most boats across an ocean properly understanding their limitations. "Seaworthiness" has as much to do with the skipper as the boat itself. BUT, less experienced skippers need larger margins for error, so a more "seaworthy" boat allows for more mistakes.
@@59NorthSailing - of course that’s true, but all the seamanship in the world will not help when a partially submerged object tears off your fin keel or spade rudder or punctures your 5mm thick hull layup mid ocean. There are blue water boats and there are production boats and crossing an ocean in the latter is loading the odds - the wrong way.
Used to like watching your earlier videos that gave a warts and all insight into your experiences. The recent stuff appears to have moved to a more commercially driven model and to me has lost the original charm and appeal. Yes I’m interested to know why you decided not to go across the Atalantic on the motorboat but stringing it out is a real turnoff and probably causing anxiety for the other couple. There are usually two sides to a story. Guess it’s hard to produce interesting content away from your boat. I appreciate the huge time and effort that must go into making these videos but for me the formula has gone badly wrong along the way. With regard to risk management I do ask myself why you guys appear to disregard basic precautions for Covid. Not only should you be following your own advice when assessing the risk but also complying with rules and even more importantly minimising risk to others by socially distancing and wearing masks. Your apparent total disregard is most concerning. For what it’s worth I suggest you reassess your objectives for the channel and take a good look at what examples you set with your behaviours. I do hope that the spirit of earlier videos comes back in due course.
Think its comically that you two are bitching about entertainment that is free to watch and takes close to 30 hours to produce a single episode. So just as you are free to wire a comment we are free to remove it, if you don't like that policy your free to watch other channels
Sophie - my comments were positively constructed and designed to help you guys. Fail to see what I’m “bitching” about. Seems you don’t like fair critique. Look back when I provided supportive comments when you were having a meltdown some months ago. Yes you maybe free to remove comments the same as I have a choice as well but at least your viewers should know that comments that appear are necessarily a true reflection of your viewers as you clearly filter and moderate. Please enlighten me as to what aspect of my views are so negative.
He Ed, to comment on the COVID stuff, R&S are staying at our farm in Sweden and have been here for two weeks. We're all isolating together and living as a family, so I feel we are all taking that very seriously - I have six-month old baby - it's tough to draw those conclusions from an edited video. Regarding the content, there ARE two sides to the story, and it's precisely why we chose to do this video in this format - by making it less personal and more of a learning experience, we felt it respected the owners in a way that simply telling a one-sided story wouldn't have.
So just to be clear you have said that if you don’t like a comment you can decide if it appears or not. I can understand if the comment is offensive, racist etc but filtering reasonable critique potentially skews how your channel is viewed. I wonder how many of your viewers are aware that they are getting a one sided view of people’s thoughts on the content. Listening to your customers should be an important aspect in moving your channel forward. Perhaps your idea of what is reasonable is different to mine. As I stated before my comments were meant to provide constructive critique and not to bitch. Next time I won’t bother in trying to help you. Enjoy.
@@59NorthSailing Thanks for a considered response - much appreciated. Good to see that you are taking Covid seriously and isolating at your farm. My observations go back over several videos were there has been an apparent disregard for Covid safety. I chose my words carefully when saying apparent as clearly I’m not privy to all the facts. The seeing off party at Almerimar with numerous other people with no masks or social distancing springs to mind. Hugs and kisses in cars is another. We are in the middle of a pandemic and everyone should play their part in minimising risk to themselves and probably more importantly to others. Thanks for your clarification.
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