Ritvik - A Bona Fide System 

What's your age now prabhuji?

@@shashank7945 Hare Krishna....all glories to Srila Prabhupada. My material body is 67 yrs. old.

Prabhuji can i contact you in any form ? Telegram or whatsapp or any social media?

@@shashank7945 My email address is, " janmaharadasa@gmail.com . I hope this works for you, prabhu

@@ziggyschumann5284 thank you Prabhuji

Good advice-and one can alwasys have additional Shiksha gurus who are qualified should he/they appear.

AGTSP1 Hare Krishna Prabhu, we're so glad to see you inspired and wanting to translate the video into Turkish language. That would be a very great service, Prabhu. Please write in to us at iskm.admin@iskm.international and we'll revert to you regarding how you can translate. We already have the transcript of the video ready for you to begin the work.

I can't understand prabhu u r words

Lakshmi Sai Ananth Hare Krishna !

Unless one is enlightened by the knowledge given by the spiritual master, he cannot see things as they are, even though he remains constantly with the spiritual master. This incident at Kālīya-daha is very instructive for those eager to advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.Cc Madhya Lila 18.99 Physical association is never stress over and above the Vani, hearing of the instructions.

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His name is Ranchor Prabhu

Hare Krishna. The 2/3 voting system to elect gurus was never spoken of by Srila Prabhupada, in fact we find statements opposing this system. “His idea was talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected.” - Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74 “A disciple of Kali cannot become an ācārya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaiṣṇava ācārya. A Vaiṣṇava ācārya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment.” - Madhya 1.220.purport So there is really no one worth following in a system which is corrupted. The person who is sincerely trying to push this movement according to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions is His Grace Sundar Gopal prabhu. He gives initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, one should accept His Grace Sundar Gopal prabhu as Siksa guru since he is fully surrendered to Srila Prabhupada. In ISKM, Diksa is given by Srila Prabhupada and Siksa by His Grace Sundar Gopal prabhu. There are more videos which you can watch on this matter: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bS884UzSVJg.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1ophuhyvSnM.html

Hare Krishna. If you would like you could also join our telegram group for prabhus only. Here is the link: t.me/ISKMVaishnavasanga

Wow,thank you so much! Hare Krishna! I just now joined both. @@ISKM108

Why not you are presenting the whole thing? This is what Srila Prabhupada calls `half hen logic - ardha kukuti nyaya'. Now read the rest of the lines that continues..... but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept an uttama-adhikārī as a spiritual master. NOI 5 - purport

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@Dhaval neither is the voting system mentioned is the sastras prabhu.

@Dhaval Prabhu do you know that the gurus are elected by voting system in iskcon

No, you are wrong. Prabhupada never said that system shouldn't be followed after his departure, nor his disciples will be diksa gurus. Watch this, it's for your own good. *Prabhupāda's Ṛtvik System As It Is - ISKCON Leaders Exposed (Hindi Subs)* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rxodlaOGmGM.htmlsi=bRfjO6y-ukgdhQb3

omoanya1 We've dealt with this extensively in our position paper called IA77. Here is the link: www.iskm.international/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/IA77-Eng-v1.1.pdf

+omoanya1 very nice. Now that's why I prefer the complete story. with only half story it is easy to speculate and mislead people

Okk u r ri8 but thinnk Prabhupada says guru does not Fall down That s all Then why ur some of guru falls 11 out of 9 fall down Ha ha this is the 1st point Hare Krishna Movement Akshay patr

@@dp34531 Read the IA77 paper to know the complete story.

Please can someone say the person who actually is qualified to give diksa? Please?

You can write to our Nimai Nitai dasa for more personal guidance: nitaiouellet@gmail.com

Clearly saying in his presence ritivik can

I am the grand disciple of SRILA PRABHUPADA..the present Guru be actually guru.krishna mandir Acting doesn't understand any...😇

If religions are not exclusive onewayed, why shoud be spiritual life...find quotes on like--minded devotee associationS...can be many...important is that ONE finds HIS right one where you can practice Sadhan Bhakti in more & more surrender....good luck,!

@@narendraputta1394 go to vedabase website - library- conversations- sort out may 28 1977. At the ending of this conversation clearly mentioned that I will choose some you to be guru .

How did Śrīla Prabhupāda answer when asked about future initiations within ISKCON after his physical departure?: The ISKCON GBC meets with Śrīla Prabhupāda in Vṛndāvana, India on May 28, 1977: Satsvarūpa Mahārāja: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations will be conducted. Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācārya. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya? Śrīla Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik. Yes. Śrīla Prabhupāda never once used the contradictory term, “ṛtvik ācārya.” He did, however, use the confusing term, “officiating ācārya” once, but in the July 9, 1977 letter to all GBC men and temple presidents, he changed the terminology to the crystal-clear: “ṛtvik representative of the Ācārya.” The rest of the conversation was just to get a bunch of “I wanna be a guru like Prabhupada” madmen off his back. Śrīla Prabhupāda never put any of it in writing. “You can say anything. Just don’t put it in writing.” rtvik.com/

Room conversation, July 18. 1971. Mohsin Hassan: Yeah, the tenth. After you, is it any decision has been made who will take over? Prabhupāda: Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. Mohsin Hassan: How many swamis do you initiated, American? I'm speaking just on... Prabhupāda: About ten. Mohsin Hassan: You have ten swamis. And outside of swamis, what's the lower... Prabhupāda: Now, they're competent. They can, not only the swamis, even the gṛhasthas, they are called dāsa adhikārī, andbrahmacārīs, everyone can, whoever is initiated, he is competent to make disciples. But as a matter of etiquette they do not do so in the presence of their spiritual master. This is the etiquette. Otherwise, they are competent. They can make disciples and spread. They can recruit more members in this. They do, but they are being trained up. Just like here in this meeting, one of my disciples, he is acting as priest. It is not myself; he is acting. So some of my students, they are acting as priests, some of them are swamis, so they are competent to make disciples.

SRILA prabhupada 's letter to tusta krishna ..December 2 , 1975 "1Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy."

Letter to: Tusta Krsna - New Delhi 2 December, 1975 75-12-02 My Dear Tusta Krishna Swami, Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 21 November, 1975. Every student is expected to become Acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. I have given yousannyasa with the great hope that in my absence you will preach the cult thruout the world and thus become recognized by Krishna as the most sincere servant of the Lord.

In this video Prabhupada clearly says that his students will continue discipline succession ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UbXdMsbhESo.html

@@universe2134 PRABHUPĀDA: I may say many things to you, but when I say something directly, "Do it," your first duty is to do that. You cannot argue, "Sir, you said me like this before." No, that is not your duty. What I say now, you do it. That is obedience. >>> Ref. VedaBase => Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 5.5.3 - April 15, 1975, Hyderabad

Hare Krishna prabhu. ISKCON has now accepted that conditioned souls can also be guru, they therefore have deviated from Srila Prabhupada's instructions, as you can see in the video in the section that quotes that only pure devotees can become guru. The G.B.C has a resolution that states that they do not vouch for the spiritual standard of the guru that they elect. Election of guru itself is an absurd thing as the authentic guru is empowered by the Lord and does not need any voting to manifest His lila. The ISKCON Sastric Committee has also stated that if female Diksa gurus want to initiate, they must at least be on the nista platform, which means "fixed up", that is not the platform of a pure devotee and such statement can nowhere be found in sastra and Srila Prabhupada's scriptures. Madhya 24.330 […] "The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class. […] When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru." ISKCON gurus and GBC will never be able to defeat this video and therefor will never even dare produce a counter argument. They prefer controlling the neophyte devotees with sentiments stating that ritviks are offenders, demons, etc.

Rritvik theory is seriously a joke....There are many devotees in Iskcon who are disciples of Srila Prabhupada . like Bhakti Charu Swami Maharaj..Like Jayaptaka Swami Maharaj..Like Gopal Krushna Gosvami Maharaj ..Like Radha Govind Maharaja...Many. ..If prahhupada is a pure devotee and the greatest acharya...Doesn't he have potency to even make 1 pure devotee or 1 acharya.??...In Chaitanya Charitamrita Madhya lila it is stated that a pure devotee can deliver the whole world...Then was prabhupada a failure.......??....Just now only Prabhupada's disciples are initiating and rest are doing preaching work.. ...I can share so many videos and name innumerable pure devotees

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Room conversation, July 18. 1971. Mohsin Hassan: Yeah, the tenth. After you, is it any decision has been made who will take over? Prabhupāda: Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. Mohsin Hassan: How many swamis do you initiated, American? I'm speaking just on... Prabhupāda: About ten. Mohsin Hassan: You have ten swamis. And outside of swamis, what's the lower... Prabhupāda: Now, they're competent. They can, not only the swamis, even the gṛhasthas, they are called dāsa adhikārī, andbrahmacārīs, everyone can, whoever is initiated, he is competent to make disciples. But as a matter of etiquette they do not do so in the presence of their spiritual master. This is the etiquette. Otherwise, they are competent. They can make disciples and spread. They can recruit more members in this. They do, but they are being trained up. Just like here in this meeting, one of my disciples, he is acting as priest. It is not myself; he is acting. So some of my students, they are acting as priests, some of them are swamis, so they are competent to make disciples.

SRILA prabhupada 's letter to tusta krishna ..December 2 , 1975 "1Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy."

He was murdered by the arrangements of Kirtanananda and Radhanath Swami.

​@@ISKM108 if this is true wonder why so many sincere devotees like Radheshyam prabhu, gaura gopal das, gauranga das prabhu etc became inspired to becomes students of Radhanath swami🤔... lord would have saved atleast these sincere souls

So why Krishna and Balaram accepted Sandipani Muni (physical guru) and studied under him. Why Lord Caitanya also accepted a living guru, Isvara Puri? Why Brahma accepted Krishna (living guru) at the dawn of creation? And why is it that Prabhupada could not produce, in due course of time, not one single Uttama devotee? Looks like a fault with Lord Caitanya - He made some mistake to send a devotee who not really had it - was not really empowered. Also then seems like Lord Nityananda's mercy is limited?

sorry ,i was not clear ---ok so yes most definelty I see all the quotes ,what people like me and others are not able to read clarly that tiny quotes coming from

aap devotee lok are doing excellent ---koi baat nahi ,keeping srila prabhupada and following his instructions are the key to success small minor things are not so important ,acha ji ,my dandavat pranam to all you paka devotee lok

Thank you for your kind appreciation, Prabhu. Sorry that you had a problem seeing the references. We'll try to fix that next time.

Prabhupada clearly says thus this videı also says that Prabhupada is waiting to see a qualified disciple to impower him to become a bonafide guru so yes sure you can wait for such a personality to arise but why wouldnt you take Srila Prabhupada now ? ....after all Prabhupada always says this is urgent! This is an emergency situation and death can creep up on us within the next 2 minutes! Srila Prabhupada is here and available for anyone who wants him. This is Prabhupada's words to us, and this is the message of this video too, Prabhupada is here, why not take him :) Jayaaaaaa Prabhupada :)

RATI kama......Hare Krishna...you can t let it go eh prabhu, bottom line you re wrong, it s not a back-up plan, it s what PRABHUPADA WANTED AND WANTS...FUNNY HOW YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE DEVOTEES WHO WERE WITH PRABHUPADA...Wishing you all the best as our world plunges deeper into darkness......

Hare Krishna... thank you for referencing Aindra prabhu's statement. I definitely know direct deciple of Srila Prabhupada and pure devotees can understand mood of their Guru, instead of our foolish mind!

Ratī Kāma Vrajavasī Rasa Can you please provide me the reference in Aindra Prabhu book, I am unable to find this Quote after a thorough research. Yours Truly PR

Rati Kama, Prabhu........With all the spiritual knowledge you have, you re blinded on this point...Just as Lord Jesus is still the Acharya for Christianity 2000 plus yrs. later, Srila Prabhupada will be for Iskcon for 10,000 yrs., PERIOD..Why are you diminshing Prabhupada s importance , greatness and power. ? And yes, I d also like to see the reference in Aindra s book where he denounces the Ritvik system and where Aindra encourages other diksa gurus in Iskcon after Prabhupada. Thanking you in advance, Dandavats, J. P.S. Any, or all Iskcon devotees are encouraged to go outside of Iskcon if they want disciples. One should attract disciples by their own merit, not on the backs of pure devotees, like Narayan M. and Iskcon gurus worldwide. Wishing them all success in acquiring as many disciples as they so desire, to have under their belts, and, at the time of death, they ll have to suffer the karma of all their false disciples. Btw, The aim of life is to become Krishna conscious, not to acquire disciples. Haribol

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@@ISKM108 it's a bot on telegram then how to contact

@@ISKM108 lI shall ask prabhuji in my nearest iskcon temple

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Hare Krishna Pratik Prabhuji Pls don't get distracted and deviated, These all are deviations, ISKM or Akshya Patra all that, Just keep going temple and if you have any doubt then consult with senior vaishnav in iskcon temple.. No need of RU-vid knowledge, you will only get confused.. As when i was new i also felt the same doubts, But now i am very clear

@@KcClips Please go through this link guru16108.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/is-the-ritvik-claim-true/

Ok let me give you the biggest proof. In Srila Prabhupad’s will, he say that if anything happen to the trustees of a property like death or failure to act, a replacement can be made as long as he is HIS DISCIPLE (in the will it is said My disciple). This shows that the trustee must be a Srila Prabhupad disciple. So what? This is significant because let’s say in 2060 onwards all direct Prabhupad disciple have passed on, so who will be the trustees of the Property. It has to be a disciple of Prabhupad. So only by the ritvik system, can the newer generation be Prabhupad disciples and be allowed to become trustees of the property. If Prabhupad wanted the others to be Diksha Gurus, then by 2060 the trustee of the property will be disciple of guru A or guru B, which contradicts what is said in the will where someone has to be Prabhupad’s initiated disciple.

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We don’t deny a physical living guru and that is siksa-guru.

'a guru'? siksa-gurus...plural... thats like some democracies... in theory everybody is responsible for a road/bridge/development...in practice..nobody is responsible for it...and ends in bureaucracy over time...@@ISKM108

Please watch this *Prabhupāda's Ṛtvik System As It Is - ISKCON Leaders Exposed (Hindi Subs)* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rxodlaOGmGM.htmlsi=bRfjO6y-ukgdhQb3

lenny108 Srila Prabhupada's instructions are very clear. He wanted a Rtvik system of initiations as presented in this video with thorough evidence from Srila Prabhupada's teachings in the form of his books, lectures, conversations and letters. This is fool-proof evidence.

God has given independence to everyone; therefore, if a person desires to have material enjoyment and wants very sincerely to have such facilities from the material demigods, the Supreme Lord, as Supersoul in everyone's heart, understands and gives facilities to such persons. As the supreme father of all living entities, He does not interfere with their independence, but gives all facilities so that they can fulfill their material desires. Some may ask why the all-powerful God gives facilities to the living entities for enjoying this material world and so lets them fall into the trap of the illusory energy. The answer is that if the Supreme Lord as Supersoul does not give such facilities, then there is no meaning to independence. Therefore He gives everyone full independence-whatever one likes -- but His ultimate instruction we find in the Bhagavad-gita: man should give up all other engagements and fully surrender unto Him. That will make man happy. >>> Ref. VedaBase => Bg 7.21

Anyone can become guru. But not "within" Srila Prabhupada's institution. Become qualified, become guru and open temples and make disciples, write books, preach preach preach. But not within ISKCON. Only initiating spiritual master within ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada. There has never before been a "spiritual institution" like what Srila Prabhupada has given us. If we follow his instructions.

Because it was covered in another places. Watch this *Prabhupāda's Ṛtvik System As It Is - ISKCON Leaders Exposed (Hindi Subs)* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rxodlaOGmGM.htmlsi=bRfjO6y-ukgdhQb3

Hare Krishna Prabhuji..U are correct.. Rritvik theory is seriously a joke....There are many devotees in Iskcon who are disciples of Srila Prabhupada . like Bhakti Charu Swami Maharaj..Like Jayaptaka Swami Maharaj..Like Gopal Krushna Gosvami Maharaj ..Like Radha Govind Maharaja...Many. ..If prahhupada is a pure devotee and the greatest acharya...Doesn't he have potency to even make 1 pure devotee or 1 acharya.??...In Chaitanya Charitamrita Madhya lila it is stated that a pure devotee can deliver the whole world...Then was prabhupada a failure.......??....Just now only Prabhupada's disciples are initiating and rest are doing preaching work.. ...I can share so many videos and name innumerable pure devotees

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Room conversation, July 18. 1971. Mohsin Hassan: Yeah, the tenth. After you, is it any decision has been made who will take over? Prabhupāda: Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. Mohsin Hassan: How many swamis do you initiated, American? I'm speaking just on... Prabhupāda: About ten. Mohsin Hassan: You have ten swamis. And outside of swamis, what's the lower... Prabhupāda: Now, they're competent. They can, not only the swamis, even the gṛhasthas, they are called dāsa adhikārī, andbrahmacārīs, everyone can, whoever is initiated, he is competent to make disciples. But as a matter of etiquette they do not do so in the presence of their spiritual master. This is the etiquette. Otherwise, they are competent. They can make disciples and spread. They can recruit more members in this. They do, but they are being trained up. Just like here in this meeting, one of my disciples, he is acting as priest. It is not myself; he is acting. So some of my students, they are acting as priests, some of them are swamis, so they are competent to make disciples.

SRILA prabhupada 's letter to tusta krishna ..December 2 , 1975 "1Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy."

Letter to: Tusta Krsna - New Delhi 2 December, 1975 75-12-02 My Dear Tusta Krishna Swami, Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 21 November, 1975. Every student is expected to become Acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. I have given yousannyasa with the great hope that in my absence you will preach the cult thruout the world and thus become recognized by Krishna as the most sincere servant of the Lord.

If you don't want to fight for Śrīla Prabhupāda and his mission, what kind of follower of Caitanya Mahaprabhu are you then? Where's your love? Please join us and help push Śrīla Prabhupāda's movement.

@@ISKM108 what does Srila Prabhupada want? Fight for Guru or realise and participate in Kṛṣṇa Consciousness... Don't fight my brother...God or Kṛṣṇa will not be happy with this...Okk..I agree you may be following different words of Prabhupada and others may be different...But,what is humanity is to share love with each other and chant the holy name together...As mahaprabhu said that he only want that everyone chant the holy name of Kṛṣṇa " Harernama Harernama Harernama Kevalam".. Don't fight together...Lord Kṛṣṇa is present in everyone's heart...We should see everyone as part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa..and treat them with love...This is the only thing which I can request and second thing is that I have already joined those who are with mahaprabhu and Kṛṣṇa... Whether it is ISKM, ISKCON,GIVE GITA, Gaudiya sampraday or any samprday..May be our way is different but our destination is only Kṛṣṇa and back to godhead..

time and circumstance is the track to be on

MPP supports Rithvik System,he has started his own movement called Hare Krishna Movement to support Ritvik System

Prabhupada: So far designation is concerned, the spiritual master authorizes every one of his disciple. But it is up to the disciple to carry out the order, able to carry out or not. It is not that spiritual master is partial, he designates one and rejects other. He may do that. If the other is not qualified, he can do that. But actually his intention is not like that. He wants that each and every one of his disciple become as powerful as he is or more than that. That is his desire. Just like father wants every son to be as qualified or more qualified than the father. But it is up to the student or to the son to raise himself to that standard. Atreya Rsi: Yes, I understand. Prabhupada: If you are incapable of raising yourself to the standard of becoming spiritual master, that is not your spiritual master's fault, that is your fault. He wants, just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, amara ajnaya guru hana [Cc. Madhya 7.128], By My order, every one of you become a guru. If one cannot carry out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, then how he can become a guru? The first qualification is that he must be able to carry out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Then he becomes guru. So that carrying out the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu depends on one's personal capacity. Amara ajnaya guru hana. >>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- June 29, 1972, San Diego

Or Prabhupada is Diksha guru.....but someone also need Siksha Guru...Kaan khinchne k liye bhi to Guru ki jarurat padegi....

Yes you can make. Please visit ISKCON Bangalore or any Ritvik center.

Satsvarūpa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted. Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya? Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes. Satsvarūpa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the... Prabhupāda: He's guru. He's guru. Satsvarūpa: But he does it on your behalf. Prabhupāda: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order. Satsvarūpa: So they may also be considered your disciples. Prabhupāda: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he's asking that these ṛtvik-ācāryas, they're officiating, giving dīkṣā. Their... The people who they give dīkṣā to, whose disciple are they? Prabhupāda: They're his disciple. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're his disciple. Prabhupāda: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple. Satsvarūpa: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's clear. Satsvarūpa: Then we have a question concer... Prabhupāda: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it.

Madhudviṣa: "Is there any way for a Christian to, without the help of a spiritual master, to reach the spiritual sky through believing in the words of Jesus Christ and trying to follow his teachings?" Śrīla Prabhupāda: "I don't follow." Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but by reading the Bible and following Jesus's words, reach the..." Śrīla Prabhupāda: "When you read Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means you are following spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?" Madhudviṣa: "I was referring to a living spiritual master." Śrīla Prabhupāda: "Spiritual master is not the question of... Spiritual master is eternal. Spiritual master is eternal. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual 28 master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible," when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ." - Śrīla Prabhupāda’s Morning Walk, October 2, Seattle

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​@@ISKM108ur spreading nonsense philosophy and misguiding people srila prabhupad said right that kali chelas will come in iskcon.

​@@sohamgaonkhadkar7082ISKM devotees worship krishna not kali ji

@@brutal4212 bhagvat geeta 7.25 nāhaṁ prakāśaḥ sarvasya yoga-māyā-samāvṛtaḥ mūḍho ’yaṁ nābhijānāti loko mām ajam avyayam I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I am unborn and infallible. Those all nonsense doing Vaishnav offence they all not also have place in hell yamaraj will also close door for the foolish like the kali chelas in iskm. Spreading Vaishnav offence only no there is preaching of Lord chaitanya, they haven't understand really what prabhupad said , I was also in ritvikism 1yr ago there was all nonsense I was completely confused by those fools thanks krishna he saved me by this ruinful philosophy.

Tattvavit dāsa excellent AGTSP 🙏

Don't get trapped. Taking just one statement out of context can create havoc and ritviks are results of this only. Read all the letter, conversation, purport of Srila Prabhupada regarding initiation. Then only come to conclusion and not just be this bogus video.

@@ranjeet436 ok, then please read the July 9th letter. There is not even a single proof of assigning any person as guru. Whereas July 9th letter clearly tells that Ritwik system has to be followed.

@@satyamchoudhury358 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-khrcL4kVGKA.html Please hear this lecture. Use your intelligence to understand things with broader context and don't get trapped by these foolish ritviks. They have broken the ISKCON society which was biggest fear of Srila Prabhupada after seeing breakdown of Gaudiya math.

@@ranjeet436 please quote from Prabhupada!

@@ranjeet436 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OuPjPK-Vmig.html This is a 1 minute video of Prabhupada, hope it will clear the doubts.

Adi/12/8 At first all the followers of Advaita Ācārya shared a single opinion. But later they followed two different opinions, as ordained by providence. The words daivera kāraṇa indicate that by dint of providence, or by God's will, the followers of Advaita Ācārya divided into two parties. Such disagreement among the disciples of one ācārya is also found among the members of the Gauḍīya Maṭha. In the beginning, during the presence of Oṁ Viṣṇupāda Paramahaṁsa Parivrājakācārya Aṣṭottara-śata Śrī Śrīmad Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda, all the disciples worked in agreement; but just after his disappearance, they disagreed. One party strictly followed the instructions of Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, but another group created their own concoction about executing his desires. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, at the time of his departure, requested all his disciples to form a governing body and conduct missionary activities cooperatively. He did not instruct a particular man to become the next ācārya. But just after his passing away, his leading secretaries made plans, without authority, to occupy the post of ācārya, and they split into two factions over who the next ācārya would be. Consequently, both factions were asāra, or useless, because they had no authority, having disobeyed the order of the spiritual master. Despite the spiritual master's order to form a governing body and execute the missionary activities of the Gauḍīya Maṭha, the two unauthorized factions began litigation that is still going on after forty years with no decision. Therefore, we do not belong to any faction. But because the two parties, busy dividing the material assets of the Gauḍīya Maṭha institution, stopped the preaching work, we took up the mission of Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura and Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahāprabhu all over the world, under the protection of all the predecessor ācāryas, and we find that our humble attempt has been successful. We followed the principles especially explained by Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura in his commentary on the Bhagavad-gītā verse vyavasāyātmikā buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. According to this instruction of Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, it is the duty of a disciple to follow strictly the orders of his spiritual master. The secret of success in advancement in spiritual life is the firm faith of the disciple in the orders of his spiritual master. The Vedas confirm this: yasya deve parā bhaktir yathā deve tathā gurau tasyaite kathitā hy arthāḥ prakāśante mahātmanaḥ "To one who has staunch faith in the words of the spiritual master and the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the secret of success in Vedic knowledge is revealed." The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is being propagated according to this principle, and therefore our preaching work is going on successfully, in spite of the many impediments offered by antagonistic demons, because we are getting positive help from our previous ācāryas. One must judge every action by its result. The members of the self-appointed ācārya's party who occupied the property of the Gauḍīya Maṭha are satisfied, but they could make no progress in preaching. Therefore by the result of their actions one should know that they are asāra, or useless, whereas the success of the ISKCON party, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, which strictly follows guru and Gaurāṅga, is increasing daily all over the world. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura wanted to print as many books as possible and distribute them all over the world. We have tried our best in this connection, and we are getting results beyond our expectations. Adi.12.9 Some of the disciples strictly accepted the orders of the ācārya, and others deviated, independently concocting their own opinions under the spell of daivī-māyā. This verse describes the beginning of a schism. When disciples do not stick to the principle of accepting the order of their spiritual master, immediately there are two opinions. Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation. There is no scope for adjusting spiritual advancement to material ideas. Adi.12.10 The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless. Here is the opinion of Śrīla Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless. Adi.12.12 Paddy is mixed with straw at first, and one must fan it to separate the paddy from the straw. This example given by Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī is very appropriate. In the case of the Gauḍīya Maṭha members, one can apply a similar process. There are many disciples of Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, but to judge who is actually his disciple, to divide the useful from the useless, one must measure the activities of such disciples in executing the will of the spiritual master. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura tried his best to spread the cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to countries outside India. When he was present he patronized the disciples to go outside India to preach the cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, but they were unsuccessful because within their minds they were not actually serious about preaching His cult in foreign countries; they simply wanted to take credit for having gone to foreign lands and utilize this recognition in India by advertising themselves as repatriated preachers. Many svāmīs have adopted this hypocritical means of preaching for the last eighty years or more, but no one could preach the real cult of Kṛṣṇa consciousness all over the world. They merely came back to India falsely advertising that they had converted all the foreigners to the ideas of Vedānta or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and then they collected funds in India and lived satisfied lives of material comfort. As one fans paddy to separate the real paddy from useless straw, by accepting the criterion recommended by Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī one can very easily understand who is a genuine world-preacher and who is useless.

@@ISKM108 I think Birth, Old age , disease and death are the main problem of our life rather the querrel between the Vaishnavas. Think that Vaishnavas have some qualities described , where some nature are also been described, but when I see the fight among the Vaishnavas , then it really hurts me. Yes, Goudiya Matha had some problems, like they didn't allowed someone to give initiation after the departure of HDG BSST, then Swami Maharaj Srilla Prabhupada took that step , and he became a bit seperated from the Matha and started giving initiation. HDG BSST also took his sannyasa from the photo of his Guru Maharaj , because his Guru Maharaj departured from earth. So, what can be done they hold the movement of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as much in their vain that they were stubborn to do anything and everything for Mahaprabhu. Who knew HDG Srilla Jagannath Das babaji Maharaj and he knows actually their feelings about the movement. I'm a very unfortunate soul from the Bengal the place of (CM, HDG JDBM, HDG BVT, HDG BSST, HDG ACBVSP). And I'm inviting everyone to Bengal for the searching of the hidden treasures of Goudiya Vaishvas. I love Chaitanya Mahaprabhu , HDG Jagannath Das babaji Maharaj, HDG BVT, HDG BSST, HDG ACBVSP. They never said to fight, rather they said to preach the glories of lord & CM to all town and villages of the World. When that day came when everybody will preach the lord's name-fame-glories, and everyone will cry in great Seperation, rather to fight. Please accept my humble obeisances.

@@harindamodara1232 Good comment

We are enemy or frnd u r not decided this thing prabhupada and krsna know that who is enemy and who is frnd Our side prabhpada and ur side fake gurus