Riven - Original vs Remake (1997 vs 2024) in Comparison

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In this video, I compare the original "Riven - The Sequel to Myst" from 1997 with the remake from 2024. The remake was created using the Unreal Engine and looks excellent for the most part. In contrast to the last Myst remake, more attention has been paid here to ensuring that the lighting mood matches the original. There are a few parts that I think look better in the original, such as the intro and the temple in my video,
but the free movement, the animated water and the mostly very sharp textures are all to be praised. What do you think?
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@renamon5658 3 месяца назад

I like the live action scenes in the og

@GameIntrosFinales 3 месяца назад

Yeah, me too.

@iamsomewhere 3 месяца назад

1000%

@ImmortalChaos 3 месяца назад

💯

@setmymindinmotion 3 месяца назад

I much much prefer the live action, the 2.0 Riven looks better in almost every respect but using 3D models for the characters was a big mistake. Makes the OG look way better.

@SuperKamiGuru-i3c 3 месяца назад

There MIGHT be a way to restore them, and maybe give them something of a 3D depth look, but it would be hard to do.

@Caspersight 3 месяца назад

I love the graphical update but I will miss the Original FMV. The CG characters remind you that your playing a game.

@mleise8292 3 месяца назад

I've been looking up the history of Riven to see if maybe there are some 16mm film rolls that could be scanned in 4K, but unfortunately it was all recorded in NTSC format - which already made the original Riven more pixelated than they had hoped for. 😅

@jjtninja 3 месяца назад

Same

@squeaky_buddha 3 месяца назад

1000% They take me out of game really. But, I didn't come to Riven for conversation!

@age234 3 месяца назад

@@mleise8292 I wonder if modern AI tools could be used to upscale the original video with decent quality

@AdamAus85 2 месяца назад

Good point, FMV is great for immersion. Have they remade Exile? I can’t imagine losing Brad Dourif’s performance in that game.

@ErichIzdepski 3 месяца назад

This shows how amazing the original was.

@Novusod 2 месяца назад

The original looks better in a lot of parts.

@guilhermemb9213 17 дней назад

original looks like a piece of art, really cool

@101wut2 3 месяца назад

Riven is my favourite game of all time, so I obviously had high hopes for this remake. I think it's important to think of the remake as a separate experience to the original, rather than a replacement. My reaction to my first hour of play of the remake was shock at just how much they've changed. I know the original inside out, so at first it's quite jarring when entire areas and mechanics have been removed, added or relocated. Once I settled into it I really started to enjoy not knowing what was around the next corner - much like I felt playing Riven for the first time! The 3D characters were never going to be as immersive as the FMV performances, but I understand the technical requirements for using them. I do hope, however, that some patches are released to improve the character animations and lighting. They're not up to the standard of the rest of the game, and I must admit I cringed when Atrus flashed me a toothy grimace during the intro that I'm sure was meant to be more of a knowing smile. All in all, I think Cyan have done a phenonmenal job on this remake, and I can't wait to play more!

@theomorrow3811 3 месяца назад

That's awesome! I hope you enjoy the remake! I might enjoy it too once I finally get around to it (it's still a little early, to be honest). And I'm glad you're going into this with the right mindset as well: The remake is not a replacement for the original, but it's a nice companion piece. That's how it should be viewed anyways. Yeah, the original still wins overall (especially regarding the FMV vs 3D models), but so what? We have both versions now. Not that big of a deal. It's best to just enjoy what we have because life is short, ya know?

@StealthyZombie 3 месяца назад

⁠@@theomorrow3811 Yes I never understood when people complain about remakes or remasters. Your line says it perfectly. “We have both versions now.”

@r10nx 3 месяца назад

I am definitely excited about a new experience in Riven, also my favorite game of all time.

@age234 3 месяца назад

@@StealthyZombie I think it's partly because Starry Night was originally going to be a hyper-faithful exact remake of the original, but in modern realtime 3D. Cyan radically changed it after taking over the project. Oviously it's their right to do so, but I don't think this game was what a lot of people were expecting. It's kind of like the Star Wars Special Editions. Yes, we now have 2 versions, but many of us just wanted improvements on the originals. I was hoping for a modern high-quality high-resolution edition of what I remembered. That will never exist and it's sad.

@universesixhit642 2 месяца назад

I own the original Riven on Steam and I'm soon about to give it a full playthrough. Do you think it's still worth picking up the remake in the future? Thanks.

@AtrusDesign 3 месяца назад

Like other people wrote, original static images are gorgeous even today and with a giant atmosphere, fmv actors are WAY better than 3D ones, but at Cyan they were really faithful to the original mood in this remake, free motion and VR can give an extra level of immersion. So from what I have seen until now I love both.

@brianwolters7560 3 месяца назад

I believe I echo many in here...I wish the FMV characters were remastered and kept. That is what set the tone for me in all of the Myst games.

@theendofit 2 месяца назад

that ia imposible. you cant have fmv and be able to free rom you also cant have fmv and vr.

@MichaelN2 2 месяца назад

@@theendofitno free roam during cutscenes. Everyone has been saying this

@pferreira1983 2 месяца назад

@@MichaelN2 People on Steam are actually defending the remake which is crazy. 😆

@Mark-ph7cy 2 месяца назад

@@pferreira1983 Because it's a good remake? And to simply ditch it completely because of the character models which are in the game for about 1% of game time is ludicrous

@Yoctopory 3 месяца назад

Huge Riven fan here since the day it originally came out. I honestly had a lot of confidence that Cyan would find a way to create nice looking cutscenes in the remake. I'm quite disappointed with the puppet-like figures that are way too deep down in the uncanny valley. The original life action recordings just added so much to the level of immersion. It's one of the reasons why in the original I didn't feel like playing a game, I felt like I was there.

@micahbush5397 3 месяца назад

The graphics of the new version are nice, but 3D character models aren't really Cyan's strong point. I also feel like the original intro was better at establishing a sense of secrecy and desperation.

@matthewwilliams3827 3 месяца назад

I must admit I still kinda prefer the originals pre-renders and the lighting situation and colours more, then I’ve always thought that even low res pre-renders can’t be surpassed anyways. but both look beautiful 🤩

@wesplybon9510 3 месяца назад

Just finished playing the new game yesterday. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't expect quite so much to be different. Obviously with the port to a 3D engine we necessarily lose the live acting, which is probably the biggest bummer. The modeling and mocap wasn't horrible, but it did break suspension of disbelief. As far as the world and puzzle changes, it honestly felt like Ghen had been left to his own devices on Riven for another 20-30 years. A lot of the changes that were made felt like natural progressions and enhancements from the way things were previously. I think the over all changes to the the 2 big puzzle arcs (tay gateway and golden dome), were good and necessary changes. Many of the bits that I nostalgically missed I realized I didn't ACTUALLY miss them. The extra clarity and simplification of some of the elements were largely improvements that made exploration and discovery less obscure. Retroactively fitting lore clarifications into the journal texts was nice. As a teenager I played Riven into the ground, so I was glad they took the time to put new twists on puzzles while not completely invalidating a significant chunk my childhood 😂 Ultimately, I was able to be taken back and engage in rediscovery of a world I thought I knew well.

@myel8531 3 месяца назад

The material work in the remake is really impressive. The way light plays off of small details on surfaces is incredibly convincing. That gold paint on the building exterior really stands out, certainly the best of its sort I've seen in any videogame. But yeah, the NPCs definitely feel a little out of place. On the one hand, you can't just throw 2D FMV capture into a 3D scene, but it's also clear they don't have the resources to really match it in terms of animation. It's serviceable, in my opinion, but it certainly dates what is otherwise a near flawless presentation. Appreciate the video! Looking forward to trying the remake out myself in the future.

@franzrogar 2 месяца назад

Quote: "you can't just throw 2D FMV capture into a 3D scene". Erm... yes, you can. Just fix (with a light degree of freedom) the camera angle for a brief moment and done, just like they did for the 3rd? 4th? game. Also, in many others they do that (for example: Under a Killing Moon).

@michaelsteffen5071 2 месяца назад

Yeah, the fact that the original game places the characters in locations that the player can’t walk around in 360 means they could have used 2D FMV. But nobody thinks of it nowadays.

@Warriormon87 2 месяца назад

I am amazed by how well the original graphics hold up. It still looks amazing. I thought my memory was colored by playing it when it came out and the graphics technology of the time. But it still looks amazing. The artists really poured their soul into every frame.

@AccountName-gv5ie 3 месяца назад

Remke looks great, but I think the lightning in the original is more intentional used to create atmosphere.

@AaronGwynaireGameDev 3 месяца назад

agree!

@summerlaverdure 3 месяца назад

hard agree, though the new engine does do a really good try

@CrossplayGamingTV 3 месяца назад

Yes, there's always trade offs when moving from pre-rendered point and click to full 3D. You can completely determine the atmosphere pre-rendered... with full 3D, you need to trust the real-time graphics to create it if you set everything up well.

@DickVanPaiton 3 месяца назад

Yea, they simply did not put enough effort into it 😞The necessary tech would have been there. Does not even look like a proper lumen integration. The water is not where it could have been either :-(

@kiillabytez 2 месяца назад

Natural sunlight vs fluorescent. You be the judge.

@TheKrensada 3 месяца назад

I gotta say I prefer the oriignal for cutscenes. The new 3D model characters look jerky, and glitchy. hopefully with some patches they'll iron that out. other than that. The remake looks very beautiful, and surreal. As it should.

@RichardDuryea 3 месяца назад

Cyan is great at a lot of things, but character models are not among them. It’s a very small studio but this has to be intentional.

@laurilehtiaho9618 3 месяца назад

I do hope that some more work can be done on those afterwards. Despite that, after playing through the demo I can completely see myself living with these, the remake is just so well done.

@TheKrensada 3 месяца назад

@laurilehtiaho9618 oh I'm totally buying this when it becomes available.

@moiseslozano6906 3 месяца назад

Im glad im not the only who noticed!! yeah they look very unnerving as i think they push so hard to make feel real yet they give uncanny valley in the bad way, i wish they had compromised and make them models a bit more stylized and animated them a bit more conventionally so its not as freaky that takes me out of the experience

@scorecount5320 3 месяца назад

Based on how they look, they're probably using the MetaHuman toolkit, which is still being developed by Epic. It's unlikely they'll be improved much from here for that reason, it would require Cyan to port the entire game over to a newer version of Unreal, but it's still damn impressive for what it is. I actually do reccomend you have a play around with Metahuman Creator if you're curious about this stuff, it's free to use!

@BooshyBrows 3 месяца назад

I think this sums up the issue with a lot of modern media.. we used to achieve so much more with so much less

@Warriormon87 2 месяца назад

They did a great job on the remake. The fact that original holds up ao well and is even occationally better than the remake is a Testament to just how well made the original was. I am proud of Cyan for doing the remake justice.

@templar19 3 месяца назад

The remake environments and immersion look great. I really hope we get way more exposure to the sunners and wahrks. I think it would also help develop the game's Orwellian tones by having some easter eggs where you see someone up on a bridge or over a hill, spying on you for a second. Not a cutscene...just a quick blink-and-you-miss-it moment. It also looks like there are going to be triggered earthquakes or structure collapses as you progress, which will really add to the idea of Riven as a doomed, unstable age. Those cutscenes are triggering my uncanny valley response. I know Rand Miller isn't a professional actor, but in the original you can see lots of subtle emotions (tiredness, uncertainty, even fear) playing across his face. In the remake, he just looks in a state of perpetual mild shock. I preferred the original of not seeing the linking panel to Riven until Atrus flips the book around and you have a mildly disconcerting moment to wonder why the image is so distorted before it's time to go, rather than having it sitting on the table until you're ready. Seriously, why would they reshoot Cho's video and not record new audio? In the original, he was a fully embodied Rivenese man, probably just as confused and taken aback as I was at materializing into a cage on a new world. Now, he looks like a vampire on marionette strings.

@Lee.Willcox 3 месяца назад

Good idea, creepy. Like spotting G-Man n HL2.

@HiddenStrengthTimelapseDrawing 3 месяца назад

The remake looks really good, and I'm excited to play it. There is one small detail that appears to be missing: In the original video, the linking panel has momentary glimpses of a man's eyes staring at the player... It's Gehn. Somehow he's developed the means of observing you, however briefly that observation may be.

@philip3707 3 месяца назад

There are quite a lot of frames with eyes/eyebrows throughout the linking panel animation in addition to the frame of Gehn. They are more like a vague eyes shape superimposed onto a colorful environment photo. It's quite creepy.

@AstronautDown 3 месяца назад

I've played this game three times and had never seen the body of the guard on the rocks before! What an amazing game, I replayed it literally days before this remaster was announced but I'll definitely play this sooner or later! So happy this exists and new players can discover this wonderful world!

@iamtheliquor809 3 месяца назад

Same!

@total_betty 2 месяца назад

Totally understand the comments about the FMV in the OG although the animated Atrus etc don't detract from the remake IMO. I absolutely love the full motion and it's what I dreamed about when I was playing nearly 30 years ago! I mean, that's wild isn't it! But I do hope if Myst III: Exile gets remade they do FMV and Brad Dourif is featured again. He was incredible in that game and was perfect. A performance up there with Grima Wormtongue in LOTR! But I'm so, so happy that Riven has arrived! So happy!

@grams18 2 месяца назад

Yeah would be awesome to get a remake of Myst III: Exile & Myst IV: Revelation in that manner. A huge point in immersion is to be able to move around freely and my f*cking god the animations of the wide and open ocean and the waves is awesome. To have a lively inviroment really adds massive points to the immersion and that´s a huge plus for this kind of 3D remakes instead of moving through static prerendered images although they are very good in quality.

@charlesajones77 3 месяца назад

In still shots, the original looks better in almost every way. But since you can move around freely now, it's much easier to understand how everything is laid out.

@OctopusOwl 2 месяца назад

You can see how lovingly recreated it is, and being able to walk around freely is so amazing.

@delicious_seabass 3 месяца назад

The environments look great. Can't say the same about the characters.

@pikaskew 3 месяца назад

There was a certain charm of FMV games that is hard to recreate with 3D graphics. Still a really good remake so far from the demo

@RESURRECT2 3 месяца назад

because of no pathtracing

@naturesquad9174 2 месяца назад

to be fair, the original was also created with 3D graphics

@pikaskew 2 месяца назад

@@naturesquad9174 "tobefaaaiiiiir" (sorry letter kenny moment). That's true, the environments were CG generated. But I was really just talking about the actors FMV performance vs 3d captured performance

@SuperKamiGuru-i3c 3 месяца назад

I have to get this... I love Riven. It's one of my favorite games, stories, and worlds ever. Being in it in virtual reality is like a dream come true. Holy shit

@arquiricardo 3 месяца назад

I played and replayed the original 5 disc game. Amazing, immersive and fun. A masterpiece for its time. BUT, the frozen movement of the character, the noise from the quicktime video, the constant CD swap, and the constantly load noises from the CDs are a real bummer. The remake looks crispier, faster and more immersive. I will try it.

@purefoldnz3070 3 месяца назад

its a masterpiece

@mleise8292 3 месяца назад

By the way there was a DVD version with higher quality video. If you play that from a virtual DVD-drive, you get 2 issues fixed. 😉

@grams18 2 месяца назад

@@mleise8292 Really? I never heard about that one before. I only know and own the 5 disc CD version and theres also a console version but these are very old. Many years later it popped up on Steam and that´s all I know or ever heard of it. ^^

@mleise8292 2 месяца назад

@@grams18 Yeah and IIRC GoG for one platform had the CD version and ppl asked them to upgrade to the DVD version. But my memory is blurry on that one. Hopefully Steam has it.

@bcarr1122 2 месяца назад

As others have mentioned here, Riven was later released on one DVD-ROM disc, around a year after the initial availability of the five-disc CD-ROM offering. If I remember correctly, Riven was among the first---possibly *the* very first---games commercially released on DVD-ROM.

@dootboi4120 2 месяца назад

I understand the preference of FMV sequences over CGI models but I'll say this: they clearly did a much better job on the models than in the Myst remake. It's a big step up and an impresive job considering that Cyan isn't really a big studio.

@PeterPounders 3 месяца назад

What got me when I first played this back in the '90's was the music. The whole experience was just amazing so to think I can play this again for the first time is a must for me.

@DamienDae 2 месяца назад

Glad they kept the original score. It is really part of the whole Riven immersion experience.

@HK346-o4x 3 месяца назад

I have noticed a lot of the puzzles have changed so far and its great! They. nailed this. I rarely buy games but this is one team I want to support

@antimattah 2 месяца назад

I recently bought an M3 mac for productivity and work, fully intending not to game, but I'll gladly make an exception for this. Just gotta save a little bit, the wallet is still mad at me. I can remember being a little tyke playing this on my parent's windows computer back in the day. They had the CD set, with 4 or 5 CD's, I can't remember exactly how many there were. They still have it, somewhere around. Matter of fact, Broderbund was a huge influence on me growing up. Countless hours spent in Lode Runner, and many years later Zoombinis. Such great memories. Thank you, Broderbund.

@daviddahlstrom192 2 месяца назад

I'll definitely be playing this! I did the Myst remake in VR about a year ago and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I played both Myst and Riven when they were originally released, but never actually finished Riven back then and intend to this time. Just as with Myst, I think the new cut scenes will be my only gripe. As illustrated in this video, the contrast in the atmosphere and music combined with the live action actor make the digital remake look pale in everything but resolution. But just as with Myst, I suspect the rest will be just fine.

@fleasname 2 месяца назад

I worked on this! We did all the video for Riven and Exile at PVR in San Francisco.

@suficer7827 2 месяца назад

I do miss some of those live scenes in scenes . Short but got the message, will always remember Command and Conquer games like that.

@jimmarsden4359 Месяц назад

You will never know how many hours it took me to close the doors on boiler island to find those paths and how annoyed i was at myself for seeing how obvious it was after seeing the path to the lab.

@BeastOfSoda 2 месяца назад

As an 80s kid and a 90s gamer, I am amazed that we have come such a long way in terms of visual quality. We are privileged to live in an era where real time graphics look better than pre-rendered assets from just 20 years ago.

@jasons57 2 месяца назад

I waited for what seemed like ages for this to come out back in 1997. I remember walking into Best Buy on a Sunday and they had these out about a week before the official release so I snapped it up, took it home, and I don't think my then girlfriend saw me for a few weeks. It was fun swapping out the CD-Roms once you started moving around the island. A year or so later you could buy it on DVD so you didn't have to swap anymore, but I had already solved it and did't have any interest in revisiting just for the novelty of not swapping discs. I still have my original Riven discs and always planned on re-playing once I eventually forgot the story. While I remember a few things, colored pegs maybe? I think it might be time to revisit. Riven was state of the art when it came out. It is so easy too look at the tech we have now and look back on older titles and think, wow, that looks ugly. Rand Miller wrote that almost all of the assets from the original title have been lost or unusable because they were such low resolution so they had to recreate almost everything from scratch. That in itself is pretty amazing when you look at what it took to make the first one and the work that goes into creating something new today. I think what they have done is admirable. I'd definitely play this again. I think they did a great job.

@jonathanc2849 3 месяца назад

Wow! Overall, they've managed to convert it to a full 3D environment, upgrade the visual fidelity, while maintaining the style and feel of the world's aesthetic. Not an easy feat; the team did an outstanding job!

@odin1469 2 месяца назад

If they could remaster the video, and combine THAT with the smooth movement through the world.... THAT would be amazing.

@RICOFRITO 3 месяца назад

The remake is good they tried to be as faithful to the original as possible. The character models could have used a bit more TLC.

@psychedelictacos9118 3 месяца назад

This is so nostalgic, the world was so mysterious and captivating playing as a child, even though I could never figure out the puzzles!

@FreelancerFreak 2 месяца назад

I love the graphics and the free movement but i love the live action intro when i was a kid

@trevorburnett825 2 месяца назад

The original looks better. And the free roam of the new game removes the stillness of the old game. The point and click still frames created a mystery aspect I miss from the new game. There was a desire to click somewhere or go back to a frame and study it for clues. I know why they did this and I’m still excited to play more of it but it won’t live up to the feeling of the original for me. The video characters make the original seem more of a real place than the new game. But other players who didn’t get sucked into the original like I did may enjoy the remake better if they go back and try the original. It’ll probably play too slow for them but I had all the time in the world in 97.

@pacoltrane Месяц назад

I can relate 100% with your last sentence.

@spderweb 2 месяца назад

I think the main problem with free roaming, is that many of the puzzles work because of the locked camera. It's a point and click adventure. So things like finding the animal silhouettes, is going to be far more difficult to even notice, in the free roam.

@merlin704 2 месяца назад

I'm surprised they couldn't clean up the FMVs to make them HD. I feel like they helped with the dark ambience of the game's world.

@tree4318 2 месяца назад

3:07 I've heard these footsteps 4 billion times in games

@sillytechnology 2 месяца назад

The bots in the remake broke the immersion. Also, for a new version of Riven you really need Ray Tracing.

@PCGamingGoodies 2 месяца назад

This game had been in development since 2009, as those who followed the Starry Expanse website know. I'm glad it finally came to fruition. Cyan has been busy lately, as they released Firmament just last year.

@jordanscherr6699 2 месяца назад

I'm not sure how I feel about the characters, but the environments are everything I could have possibly hoped for! This is going to rock in VR!

@billybartcody3591 3 месяца назад

Definitely one of those cases wherein the magic lies in the limitations of the original medium. While the ability to move fluidly in 3D rather than teleport is nice, the original's lo-fi quotient really did a lot to provide a visual glue that held the exploration, puzzles and cutscenes together. It was more immersive and atmospheric because of the limitations. At the time it was the most visually immersive game around, in the modern age it looks quite poor compared to something rendered in Unreal Engine 5 for instance.

@rabidrobbie 14 дней назад

The in-game stuff looks great, but the original intro feels so much more dangerous and mysterious by comparison.

@dragon3dnet 2 месяца назад

I remember going to a Riven unveiling event for the launch of the game where they talked about the technical aspects of making the game. The original game was made using Softimage and I remember where they pointed out one scene which featured a lot of foreground plants and a more distant view of neighboring islands: it was so complex and the scene file was so large, they said it took 2 hours to load and 5 hours to save. I imagine they used Unreal Engine 5 for the remake which with Nanite has no limits on the complexity of the geometry added to the game. I think the biggest problem I have with the remakes is the "uncanny valley" 3d characters which appear to be poorly animated. For the characters, I prefer the original; but I do like the freedom to move around in the remake.

@jadegecko 2 месяца назад

Atrus sounded so much more somber and unnerved in the original. "There's a very good chance?" Great, no tension...? The survey map being dumbed down isn't a huge shock, I guess, given the VR. But I actually really like how they reimagined the fire marble puzzle. It actually felt like I was doing science, rather than just copying from a journal. I am still completely lost when it comes to the Moiety puzzle. Which is good. I think my first inkling of the new gameplay came during the demo, when I pulled the steam lever to the boiler bridge and it disintegrated right in front of me. I do wish they'd cooked up a day/night cycle.

@christhompson-s6l 14 дней назад

Lots of work was put into the original. I was there as it was going on. Interesting time CD-ROM was the new standard and server companies like Dell and Compact had taken over the consumer market. HP was still doing flatbed scanners. Windows 95 was online. Dial up internet was just becoming a thing in the consumer market. Had 5 pre- release copies of this game from work. This game represented a special time the the tech industry. Remaking this it would be impossible to do justice to the original. As an employee it was the only game I played after work just for the feel of escapism from daily life.

@Nyllsor 2 месяца назад

How cool that they remade Riven!! Pure nostalgia, fantastic game!

@sikliztailbunch 3 месяца назад

I have played through the original on Sega Saturn and I am really looking forward to revisiting that place

@SuperMandibleclaw 2 месяца назад

The FMV is iconic, but honestly the 3d models look great

@MaximumMadnessStixon 2 месяца назад

The remake looks pretty phenomenal, and like it'd be a good supplement/addition to the original, given it seems to be _mostly_ the same game in spirit, but with tons of little changes and tweaks. I'm not a huge fan of the franchise (I was just a little too young when they came out initially), but I don't mind them replacing the FMV's with actual in-game graphics. It mostly seems to work in-context. One of these days I wanna sit down and play through all of them.

@D3monL3A1 3 месяца назад

understand that they could not simply use the fmv in what is a 3d fully recreated riven so for all theose complaining about it please have some perspective

@grams18 2 месяца назад

It can be done. There are a few methods to make this possible. On the other side they could have even more improve on the 3D characters themself to make the faces and clothes look more detailed and realistic. They could get help with that from others.

@krajcjakub 2 месяца назад

@@grams18 it can be done - with some restrictions - for example, you can temporarily lock character position and rotation and use simple 2D video, or you can lock only position and use 360 video (possibly combined with 3D environment - similar to in Myst 4) .... BUT ... but, that doesn't work in VR, you cant lock movement of a real person wearing headset

@grams18 2 месяца назад

@@krajcjakub Yeah I know I wrote it basically in another comment except for VR. I think it must be also possible to temporarely block movement even in VR as I saw something like this on another game. Otherwise they should come up with another solution as VR is it´s own thing anyway. Just lock the movement/scenery in place and use 2D video as they did in the og.

@pierresakurai4812 3 месяца назад

1997 FTW. So much more atmospheric locking that camera. Like a movie shot. The set camera cinematography builds up a scene/location. Moving around like your a blogger with a handycam ruins that. The non live action scenes are just awful. Lighting also is pretty bad, way too bright in the shadows. A "proper" remake would of kept and upgraded the live action, keep the static camera and add even more "photographic" detail to the world.

@protips__ 2 месяца назад

I think half the problem with replacing the FMV with in-game graphics is they don't lock down the camera so the viewing angle is bad. If they locked you in Bethesda-style, it'd probably look a lot better than it does here. Overall though, obviously lots of love and craft went into recreating Riven accurate to the feel of it back in the day.

@yanayana5408 3 месяца назад

Great remake for legendary game.

@CapnSlipp 3 месяца назад

I like the graphics of the original better. The fogginess of distant islands, the more contrasty sunlight, and the filmed FMV acting is so much better than the 3D character animation (not that 3D character animation can't be that good; just that the remake's animation isn't great).

@jasonjong4973 3 месяца назад

Yeah, good character animation gets you at least to the uphill side of the uncanny valley. This example here unfortunately lands right in the bottom, it's amazing how much more convincing the low-resolution 2D video is.

@naturesquad9174 2 месяца назад

all the graphical complaints are things you can adjust with your settings. the character models are the only real complaint, because theres no reason to have 2000's looking character models in a 2024 game

@r10s-ch 23 дня назад

It's great to see that the original soundtrack stood the test of time.

@natewilson111 2 месяца назад

That stained glass temple scene had a much better vibe in the original game. There's something about how the overbrightness and the murky darks made the scene more "real". (The new version looks nice, but can't escape that "computer graphic-y" look.)

@naturesquad9174 2 месяца назад

you guys realize the original was also (less powerful) computer graphics, right...? Brightness/contrast issues are things you need to adjust with your graphics and monitor settings.

@TheLazySamurai 2 месяца назад

Don't get me wrong, I love both versions. I wish they left the option to keep the old FMV sequences in, like they did with the Myst remake. The new Riven graphics are naturally superior, however we can't discount how well the original still holds up, even with such a low resolution

@Paco3dArt 2 месяца назад

I think they have done an extraordinary job. I wished they waited to make proper raytracing and implemented further revisions and iterations to make the characters of higher quality. Still I am very excited to get this game. I think this is amazing.

@Cartograph176 2 месяца назад

Atrus in the remake looks like an animatronic.

@andreasplosky8516 2 месяца назад

The free look and movement is definitely an improvement.

@mikerules666 2 месяца назад

I played and beat the original many years ago, and still own it. The remake has got me intrigued. I will have to play it to see all of the major differences.

@Kerbis_Iffin 2 месяца назад

3D graphics have made the game more convenient and, with rare exceptions, more beautiful, but the live acting of the actors cannot be replaced by anything.

@Dennis-nc3vw 3 месяца назад

Good on them for fixing the gate puzzle. That felt so bogus in the original

@LoneManProductions 3 месяца назад

Visually, this looks amazing. I think it's a shame they dropped the FMV, but considering that would definitely mean a complete recasting (and I remember people being particular about Rand Miller playing Atrus), I can sort of see why they went the CGI route, if only for that reason. I'm not sure why Atrus links away in the opening though. Game-wise, I'm assuming it's so they don't have to animate the character while your standing there, but if that's the case, why not link through as in the original and start in the cage? I thought the only reason Riven didn't destabilise was because he was writing corrections nearly constantly to counteract them, but it's been a while since I played, I might be wrong.

@DickVanPaiton 3 месяца назад

HOW LONG did I search around before I found out that you could crawl underneath the door. This made me NUTS :-D That "mechanics" simply has not been established anywhere as being a potential option of movement.

@randalalansmith9883 2 месяца назад

What do you play it on? There's a link above to Gaming. Does that mean I can play it online on RU-vid?

@LordPaulusCobris 2 месяца назад

This is a case where a remaster is better then a remake... They should have AI upscaled all the images and FMV, cleaned a bit and upped the resolution. The remaster don´t add to the experience and imersion that did make this and other point and click adventure games so amazing...

@rinoz47 2 месяца назад

I'd love to see what can be done to mod in 4k ai upscales of the fmv sequences to this and Myst.

@SagaciousFrank 6 дней назад

Which platforms is the remake available on?

@jeremyowens81 2 месяца назад

this reminds me of Mortal Kombat and MK2. the graphics were low for MK yet looked realistic, they also used real models. MK2 went cartoonish because of all the complaints about a realistic looking game with murder. they went an animated something they didn't need to. notice the shadows at 1:44 everything after that time stamp looks good.

@HQ_Default Месяц назад

I do think I still prefer the original FMV sequences, I mean they are possibly the best implementation of FMV live-action cutscenes in an otherwise pre-rendered game. That being said, I'm not sure how they could have implemented them in the context of a fully 3D environment. I think for what this is, the new cutscene's aren't bad at all. Pretty good voice work on display, as well.

@sooth15 2 месяца назад

I understand why it wasn't necessarily possible to salvage or reuse the old FMV footage, since most people forget that the original game was something like 800x600 resolution, however, I would have preferred that they get a new cast of look-alikes to do new FMV scenes for the remake than the character models we ended up with. Some of the lighting and mood are much more dramatic and impressive in the original. Many areas in the remake are nearly identical and look stunning, but some areas, not nearly as much. The most disappointing cut-scene/area was the iconic elevator rising out of the pool of water on survey island. In the original the room is much less brightly lit, as as the elevator rises, there is a bright flash of gold, as the elevator turns, and yet another blinding gold reflection as the door lowers. As a kid, this was jaw-dropping and gorgeous. The sort of scene I can watch over and over. In the remake the lighting is much more yellow and washed out, there is no bright reflection off the root, and barely a shiny haze as the door lowers. The two side by side are essentially the same animation, the same elevator with all the same details, but the lighting just makes the scene dull. I'm pretty sure the original also had a similar bright reflection when the moiety book is revealed as the panel opens, and I don't even remember the animation from the remake.

@2WhiteAndNerdy 2 месяца назад

Time to remake the remake!... with the OG FMV scenes intact. They can be remastered & upscaled. Do it!

@hewhointheearthlydomainsee1272 2 месяца назад

The original stimulates the imagination more. The problem with the real time graphics is the lack of atmospherics. Everything is too clean and exact. To stimulate the imagination requires some spookiness so to speak. Like a lack of information which the imagination can try to fill. That lamp in the new version is really bright whereas the older version had a feinter light that cast more shadows on the man's face. The first actor looked more weathered, you might feel his experiences more. His clothes were less neat and perfect. That is something to note: the weathered look of people and objects; everything being so pristine is a give away that it is a game and not a simulated experience. If immersion is the goal, then its something to work on. Like this game could have had potential as a VR game, but they need to learn or set what the professional standards of immersive content are.

@pszenica3029 3 месяца назад

I remember playing a puzzle game similar to this remake. It was located in montainous area and the game started in some kind of big tent. I also remember a big destroyed building in the back, kind of resembling a stadium. If someone knows what game it was please tell me

@philidornews4055 3 месяца назад

Obduction? Quern - Undying Thoughts?

@grams18 2 месяца назад

Sounds interesting. Also would like to know wich game is it you´re looking for.

@pszenica3029 2 месяца назад

@@philidornews4055 None of them unfortunately

@philidornews4055 2 месяца назад

@@pszenica3029 Is it an older one?

@pszenica3029 2 месяца назад

@@philidornews4055 i'm not sure but I played it like 10 years ago so it might be

@bla2030 3 месяца назад

Original cutscenes, with actors, should somehow been kept. That is a clear mistake imo.

@mintomacco 3 месяца назад

simply not possible to add that low res 360p 2d original video into a hi res 3d environment and expect that to look somewhat decent. some hollywood style cgi characters & animations would help, but cyan is no big company with millions of dollars. they are a small indie developer that has to make the most out of the small budget they have.

@bla2030 3 месяца назад

@@mintomacco I see. That’s a shame.

@NeroimusIndustries 2 месяца назад

THERE WAS A REMAKE AND I DIDNT HEAR ABOUT THIS UNTIL NOW???

@michaelspadaro6 10 дней назад

All this proves is that maybe the entire gaming industry shouldn't have given up on FMV sequences....

@MrNobodyX3 2 месяца назад

man I wish it was still FMV... but I get it, I can give It up for the ability to play in VR

@derworfnet 2 месяца назад

I know CGI has become life-like since the 90s, but I still miss Cutscenes with actual actors in them. When was the last time a game had those? _Command and Conquer: Tiberian Twilight?_

@LadyTL 2 месяца назад

There is quite a few games from some british studies that are still making FMV games, funnily enough it looks like they are doing it to give acting students a way to build a portfolio

@Mental_Image 2 месяца назад

would love to have seen Atrus recast by Ewan McGregor

@heckensteiner4713 2 месяца назад

The people in the old one look more realistic. Oh wait... that's because they ARE real!

@zZiL341yRj736 3 месяца назад

They should've recreated the live action scenes, nothing relates more to real life than REAL LIFE.

@nunocampos1805 3 месяца назад

Don’t like the changes in dialogues, specially replacing one man prison with one person prison. The original fmv intro will never be topped. The sense of urgency in sending us to Riven was very clear. Now the player can just stay there.

@AdamAus85 2 месяца назад

Oh, oh jeebus. Nut jobs like sweet baby inc are real active out there.

@Penfold8 2 месяца назад

I love the detailed graphics and updated movement, but I hate that they got rid of the FMVs.

@Darth_Melek 2 месяца назад

If someone were to the fmv scenes, increase the sharpness and then green screen effect them, they could manually apply them to the remade maps as new fmvs that blend with the remake better. Granted it won’t be that good but it will be closer to the original

@fubi0688 3 месяца назад

I for one actually like this change. The fmvs of the original are nostalgic but they were always jarring to me. Much prefer the remake but that's my opinion.

@Progger11 3 месяца назад

The boomers in the comments doing what they do best: complaining about a new version of something as if tbe original version has gone away (it hasn't, and is still made available alongside this new version). Don't like the changes here? Keep playing the O.G. It's a masterpiece. But I'm absolutely stoked to finally play a modern remake of this, my favorite game of all time. It's a dream come true for me. The new entries set in the Myst mythos will also not be enjoyed or embraced by the stubborn legacy fans. But I'm looking forward to the future titles!

@heckensteiner4713 3 месяца назад

True, but nothing beats the original Pyst!

@theomorrow3811 3 месяца назад

You see, that's the thing: While I do prefer the original overall (personally), I will say that the extreme purists for anything are never going to be happy no matter what you give them. Because that's who they are. They're not really capable of accepting other people's opinions that differ from their own because they're so hellbent on being the center of attention (that's the only world they live in). I'm just glad we at least have both versions to choose from so that we're not stuck with only the original Riven and nothing else. It's not like Cyan pulled a George Lucas on us and said that "the new version is the only version you can play!" No. The original is still available... untouched in it's former glory. If you prefer the remake, great! If you prefer the original, also great! Both games exist for different audiences (original for the purists; remake for everyone else). (It's also worth noting that the remake was put in a tough position to begin with. Not just because of the remake's 3D models vs. the original's FMV, but also because the existence and presence of the original Riven loomed large over this remake in general. And it still does. So it's not exactly Cyan's fault or the remake's fault, because they did the best they could in an unwinnable situation.) So can we all just stop complaining and stop acting like spoiled children for once?! But it's the Internet and it's 2024, so... what can you do, right?

@Ti-up3dv 3 месяца назад

Haha. Funny the way the two ranters in this comment thread have to resort to insult to make their point. And have to use age-bases slurs like “boomers” etc. for good measure. I’m probably more than twenty years too young to be a boomer and yet I think the original is better. Why don’t you just make an actual argument and leave the personal attacks and “suck in the past” stuff out of it? I will make mine: regardless of the limitations of budget and real time rendering (which I understand) The original looks better, especially when reduced to still frames. A huge number of shots from the original look photographed. I would argue not a single one from the remake does. It’s not terrible (except the characters and the cases of weightless animations). But it looks like “oh, that’s a place in Unreal Engine” at every turn. Immersion into place is, for many lovers of these games THE thing that sets Riven apart from every game ever made. Unfortunately, while increased freedom of movement is an achieved, the exquisiteness is diminished, and the immersion into place suffers or is lost. I have no doubt the raw geometry of the new game is good and could be be textured and lit in a way that created that same sense of “oh you went to a place called Riven and took photos” (and a few Unreal Engine based demos have achieved this, which is jaw dropping, despite the “compute” it probably requires to run smoothly) but this remake unfortunately is not this. I say this as someone who desperately wanted to love the remake. Riven is by far my favourite game of all time. If someone prefers an original, spewing stuff about needing to “get with the times” and being “spoilt” isn’t an argument about the relative value of their position. It’s just a call to confirm to the latest fashions.

@Ti-up3dv 3 месяца назад

This, for example, is not an argument: “They're not really capable of adapting to the modern era because they're so hellbent on the past.” “Adapting to the modern era” can apply to, I dunno, needing to learn how to type rather than just write by hand… but matters of artistic taste do not follow a linear “progression” model. Insisting that others “get with the times” when it comes to art has quite a “Chinese communist party” sort of feel to it haha.

@Ti-up3dv 3 месяца назад

*conform (not confirm). Please excuse typos.

@age234 3 месяца назад

I have been excited about the remake for many years, before it was even a Cyan project. I'm a bit disappointed by how much the gameplay has been changed. It looks great in so many ways, but it feels a lot more like Myst with obvious puzzles everywhere. Original Riven's puzzles were so subtle you didn't even know what was a puzzle until far into the game, even if the golden dome puzzle was tedious as hell. So much was changed specifically for the sake of VR, which may be cool but it requires a different way of interacting with the environment. For example, all the sliding "pocket" doors in this edition. It destroys the immersion because how would such things be built? I am not convinced in the viability of VR to the extent of radically changing a classic game. It would be nice to offer a simple remake of the original alongside this new version, IMO.

@StekuVideo 2 месяца назад

Myst and then Riven were my favourite games. The only one even surpassing Riven was Half Life Alyx in VR. So I bought the Riven remake to play it in VR and this experience can rival the original. For 2D playing the original is better.

@TravisRichey 2 месяца назад

hmm. in remember when Riven came out, but never played it. I did The Dig instead haha. Looks fun though, I might pick up the remake ~Trav

@DoctorTex 3 месяца назад

As much as I prefer the original cutscenes and FMVs, I understand why they went with model animation for a full-fledged 3D remake. They used the FMV Atrus in RealMyst, and that just sorta...clashed with the 3D environment, so for a compromise, it looks good enough.