Rivian will one day becomes a market leader. Their design team is good👍 What a masculine suv ,I love their presentation and technical achievement is fabulous.
The price increases on the two vehicles are a "gut punch". I was really excited about what Rivian was bringing to market early on, but now they're just another Range Rover or G-Wagen type of vehicle that you'll rarely if ever see off road (at least here in Michigan) until they've aged out a little.
I prefer the look of the SUV over the truck, I think it looks quite like the new Defender which is probably why it appeals to me. I go electric tomorrow here in the UK picking up my MAZDA MX 30 new as now retired do not need the range and usually do long distance on my motorbike YAMAHA V-MAX, and play on my DR650.
@@TreyJustice I am a truck guy always , but do prefer my trucks to look like a have been I would take the R1T over that fugly TESLA cybertruck ugh I prefer a truck to look like a truck over the decades I do not think we are ready for the likes of the Cybertruck not for a few years yet.
@@TreyJustice The truck doesn't have nearly the balanced look as the SUV. I'll admit I sometimes don't give trucks much chance because such a large ratio of pickup truck drivers don't use the back for anything more than a tossed empty pepsi can and a dirty rag. This truck looks good, but better than the SUV? Maybe for those who just like pickups and had their heart set on one before knowing the SUV was coming.
This would be great to have the only problem is you going to see a lot more wildlife like possibly seeing a Sasquatch in the woods! Very quiet vehicle I like it.
@@andresmirnov3940 Congrats on the scoop, then! Let us know if they gave you any more info -- particularly timing. Any additional detail at all, however small, would be news to us.
I dropped my R1T off yesterday at the service center for some touch up paint. They offered PPF as a way to protect it going forward. Will be added in tomorrow hopefully
Hey guy, like usual, great video! love the views. Someone had to get muddy lol. Love to be able to see the R1S off road finally. One thing that many people say that does not seems to be truth is that the price went up, and you can almost say the price went down for the starting point (dual-motor) the full quad motor price went up. But a starting price for the SUV I think is like $72k , Which still is 4x4 technically speaking. 🤔. Anyways thanks again.
How does the weight feel on the trail? I'm looking at a GC 4xe Trailhawk, and my brother is looking at a Rivian. I knew both are heavier than conventional ICE trucks, but I recently noticed a nearly 2000lb difference between them.
Can you guys do a max tow capacity range test on the R1T?! Considering the fuel economy shown previously with it, and what the lightning did with only 6000lbs behind it, I am quite curious how abysmal the range is with the R1T and 11k behind it. To be fair though, run a gas or diesel half ton at max tow rating along the same route to compare.
Don't really need to tow a lot, or go 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. But I like the versatility, room and overall size. Will there be a significant cost and range advantage to the two-motor version?
Truck also can be selected with the optional bigger battery SUV base is shorter can not be selected with the max battery-pack, and while the truck cover bed can have it's issue getting very easy stuck another cheaper option is the manual bed-cover (but so far i did not see too many people getting or review a truck with that option so yeah maybe latter), the SUV has no such problems but also does not have the extra space of adventure tunnel for cooking, table to power different tools and the SUV do not feature a full spare wheel only the mandatory useless flat kit.. the truck has a full spare under a cover in the bed, so for all things considered truck is more practical & useful that is why that would be my choice, SUV is just for more people..
@@poplaurentiu4148 I really like the fact that the R1S is about the same length and my 2001 Yukon (which is about the same length and the current Explorer). The longer current Yukon I like with the Duramax. But this is a better-sized option. But what I'd really like to know is whether the two-motor version with the bigger battery yields a 400+ mile range. And what would the cost be?
@@poplaurentiu4148 That's what I don't see more people talking about: the truck has features better suited to off-roading/adventuring-gear tunnel, full-sized spare-but the SUV has the rock guard/plate underneath, the better departure & breakover angles, and shorter wheelbase. I don't understand why they did that.
@@MadLadsAnonymous Both pick-up & SUV have the optional adventure pack that add hooks front & rear, the full rock guard plate underneath to protect the battery and off-road wheels.. For those who likes SUV with 2more seats, shorter wheelbase with better rear departure angle is ok but the extra utility of truck is much better, has 5 seats for most people for daily use in Europe very few travel daily with 7 people +the pick-up have more practicality in weekend adventure trips with the extra spaces optional features.. R1T already proved it's off-road capabilities, so each customer will choose based on budget & what they really need for themselves.
They haven’t announced any new products officially after the R1T & R1S, but my gut tells me your request is exactly what will be coming out of their Georgia factory.
It’s perfectly reasonable for you to make decisions based on your budget. But what comparable alternative is there to the R1S? The only three row electric SUV currently available is a Model X, which has none of the off-road capabilities, has less power, lower quality materials, and starts at around $120k. Even if you were to consider ICE alternatives, what other three row SUV has similar performance (both in terms of power and off-road capabilities), same level of luxury, and at a similar price range? $70k was an absolute steal! Even at $90k it’s still a very good value (albeit obviously only for people who can afford it).
@@chungachguk, it's not a budget issue, it's an issue of how I value the vehicle. For 90k I wouldn't have anything other than a Land Cruiser. Dead reliable for decades and just as capable as the R1S. There's too many question marks with it being so new. In 20 years if rivian is still around and have proven themselves to be at the same level as Land Cruiser/ LX then I think they'll be selling great but if they're getting junked in 10-12 years because of dead/dying battery packs they're going to have problems selling them new to anyone looking to keep it longer than 3-4 years because once they're older than that no one is going to want to pay for it on the used market knowing it will be headed to the recycle in only another 5 years or so.
@@theinternets7516 It remains to be seen how reliable the new Land Cruisers will be (and if you are in the US, there will be no new Land Cruiser). Furthermore, while Land Cruiser is equally capable off-road, no way it compares to the R1S in everyday driving (either by options available or pure exhilaration in driving). Land Cruiser is also significantly less efficient (13 city/18 highway for the 2019 model). The fears of having to replace the battery are also significantly overblown. The warranty is for 8 years/150k miles, and if Tesla’s batteries are any indication, they’ll easily last into 300k-400k with minimum deterioration. Considering the relative simplicity of the drive train, even if you have to replace the battery every 10 years (at $20k-$25k; will likely be much cheaper as the system is optimized), it’ll effectively become a brand new truck, where as the technology in the Land Cruiser will age).
the single cylinder dirt bikes and atv's have dominated the market not only because of cost and weight but the erratic power delivery works better in the dirt. of course electric can take full advantage of this phenomenon by sending out pulses of power to each wheel. the reason is initial traction tends to be greater that if a tire spins wildly. high wheel speed seems to only help in very wet conditions like deep mud or wash sand
@UCa7OH2a1XkRjg5NPwK04AGQ hey im all about the back to the future throwback looking truck but those aren’t real things so how could they possibly answer when they will review them?
@@mattbrew11 Not real yet. And it is super simple. They know if they have those prototypes in their purview or not. So they could say never. They could say once the prototypes are press released. They could say when they are officially made. Perhaps the better question would be, do they plan on reviewing them...
its just too expensive for most people. I don't understand why these companies don't make a more affordable version that is still great. We don't need all these features and what not, give me a rivian suv with a rear locker, traction control, and 0-60 in 5 or 6 seconds and im happy.
Manufacturing economics 101 is why. Brand new products are expensive to research, design, and develop. As you scale production, revenues, buying power, etc. prices can come down.
I was in the same boat (really disliked them)…..but they are kind of growing on me. I tried to picture the Range Rover lights or the Toyota 4 Runner lights on it (some of my favorite ones), but these trucks would loose their unique design language if they did that.
For the paint protection film why is it such a jump from 1500 or so for the front half to 4500 or whatever for the whole truck? That's such a ridiculous difference in price.
Agreed. But I don’t think an 800 horsepower, 3 second 0-60, luxury SUV with fantastic off-road capabilities, is intended for/aimed at the entry-level buyer.
Well that was a pretty limited obstacle course so we just have to rely on the drivers telling us which one was better. Would like t see some real difficult footage to compare them better.
Is the XPEL PPF option available in the Rivian Configurator? My guide just got assigned so I do not have the option to go back in and change my config, BUT if that is an option, I will happily have them update my config to have that PPF installed. Does anyone else see the PPF as an option in their configurator?
I just want to EV convert my Silverado 1500 or my S10... keep the transfer case, diffs, and swap my trans and engine for batteries and a small electric motor, capable of 300ft lbs of torque and about 200 horsepower. why is this not a thing yet? EV West doesnt even have something like this.
What do you think the trade-in / resale values of the new EVs will be with 100K on the odometer? Now that the “Big Boys” are invested, the technology will surely evolve exponentially in the next five years or so, leaving the first generation much less desirable.
We ordered a Rivian R1S but canceled it... We decided to wait to see how they do, long term.. Plus an EV adventure vehicle is not practical... We need to be able to fix a problem, ourselves. These look like great weekend adventure rigs, though!.. For campground adventures!
Should have kept it. The issues are minimal due to the relativly straight forward design. Had you decided to get rid of it after you would have an appreciating resale for sure.
@@triedproven9908 They are new.. You can't tell me what "issues" there are or are not, yet lol... Buying a new vehicle from a new company is risky enough.. EV technology is not up to my adventure needs.. I need to be able to fix certain issues, on the trail and carry extra fuel... I can't do that with an EV
You could have made $30k-$50k+ profit reselling it to someone who is more confident in the technology and reliability. R1T’s are selling for $130k+ on the secondary market.
@@baer19741 True, but I don't want to scalp someone lol.. The Rivian looks amazing, but we have our daily drivers (which are also light off roaders), plus we have 2 dedicated overlanders.. We just have no use for the Rivian, at this time.... TBH, our reservation was made on pure hype. I'm still interested, and was going to get the R1S, if my husband liked the R1T.. I just want to see how reliable they turn out to be, and how repairs are handled, over the long term.
@@lunamaria1048 Fair enough. I'm gonna take a chance on the first generation R1S. That being said, I'm not planning on doing any serious, long-distance overlanding where I'll be far away from civilization, so that's not factoring into my decision. Off-roading, yes.
so the S means SUV and the T means truck. so I feel calling it the R1S SUV is like saying KFC chicken. The C already means chicken, so you don't need to say it.
Neither one of them are good offroad. We've already seen evidence that they can behave like open differential vehicles, getting completely stuck with one front and one rear wheel spinning.
You're in my favorite spot on the planet, it's actually depressing to see a press event and lots of people trapsing around. Keep your multimillion dollar homes and 100k SUVs out please.
Just my opinion... But paying 70 grand for a vehicle to go offroad is ludicrous to me. Going offroad breaks things. I've always been in the mind set of Just but an ATV and do some real offroading. Puttin around slowly offroad trying not to break your 70 plus grand investment is boring and wasteful. Just buy an ATV. It your don't agree... That's fine
You’re spot on if that was the only use case. For me the appeal of the vehicle is that not only can it go off-road (to get to awesome mountain bike locations), but it’s a practical daily driver (cheap fuel and maintenance), a family wagon with room for 7 and it’s a beast for speed and cornering with supercar torque and McLaren suspension.
Both are way too much money for me, but I would choose the SUV over the truck because you are going to need a trailer to haul anything with either on. My biggest question is why do they feel the need to make that front end so damned ugly?
Do you mean a Land Rover? If so, I did price out a Defender 110 and tried to get it comparable to the R1S offering (horsepower, panoramic roof, Meridian sound system, etc). It was well above $110,000 and it still fell short of the Rivian capabilities. Not to mention Rivian comes with a 150,000 mile or 8 year drivetrain warranty (which includes the battery) from the factory and Land Rover wanted an additional $10,000 for a 100k mile or 3 year extended warranty. Oh, almost forgot…Rivian qualifies for the $7,500 Federal tax break which is not insignificant.
@@fpartidafpartida Yep, great comment, in response to another poorly informed one. If you are one of the lucky ones who got the pre-order pricing, it's even better.
They built 4,467 trucks and SUV’s in the second quarter of this year. That works out at ~50 a day. Not as much as others but not bad for a company right at the start of its production life
I need in-town towing, meaning under 100 miles, and not leaving town. This works better than equivalent gas/diesel vehicles for that sort of application. More stable and more power. And it takes 15 seconds to plug in at night- much less time than going to gas station to fill up.
@@mblake0420 No doubt that diesel/gas is better for long-distance due to the additional time and planning it takes to recharge an electric vehicle on the road, at least with current technology and infrastructure with charging stations. But for farmers, landscapers, local haulers, contractors, and the like who need to tow equipment or materials relatively locally-- there are a lot of people/companies that fit this description-- a Rivian or Ford Lighting (especially with the a/c power options that can power tools, or even a whole jobsite or house) becomes very compelling. Cost is high, but not really higher than similarly equipped trucks, especially when taking into account cost of fuel over a 5 or 10 year period.
Battery warranty is 175,000 miles, as is the drivetrain. Tesla batteries are showing only a 10% degradation after 160,000 miles. Many fewer moving parts in EV's that will need maintenance & replacement over time compared to ICE vehicles. Plus, easier to swap out batteries than engines, so I disagree with you there.
