(Reupload) Rex is real because I said so.... Twitter: / tronnvs 0:00 Introduction 05:17 Rex Is Just A Puppet 18:12 Rex Is A Real Boy 30:13 Conclusion #victorious #nickelodeon #arianagrande #icarly
Did yall noticed that Rex look like Beck. Robbie kind of idolizes Beck so maybe Robbie lives the life he actually would want through Rex since Rex also tends to be more popular than him
@@stephanfraser5325 well he's popular online and is invited to partys and stuff but from outsiders. I don't think it's ppl in the school. Or it's also just an imagination Robbie has because Beck tends to be popular
Jade's always the one abusing rex because Rex [or robbie as rex] usually says super sexist or down right rude things to her. Im just glad shes beating up the puppet and not Robbie.
I feel like saying Rex is actually a puppet, is the MORE fun theory. Cause it’s a lot more interesting if Robbie has split personalties showing through different puppets, instead of just saying that Rex is real.
especially because it implies that Robbie subconsciously has some level of omnipotence. because sometimes when Rex is left alone, when Robbie comes back and picks him up, Rex reveals details that Robbie shouldn’t be able to know because he wasn’t there. I like the idea that Rex is an extension of Robbie’s mind, but Robbie has some sort of deep psychological intuition that is almost superhuman
it does seem more fun but I’d like to make a note that “split” personalities is 1. an outdated description (DID is more modern and respectful) 2. DID doesnt behave like this the personalities do not manifest through objects they are fragments of a whole personality so they are real if rex is not real then it’d be a delusion which would mean that robbie could have schizophrenia or is schizoaffective at the least
Completely agree. Why would a mentally stable Robbie walk around with this sentient separate being who constantly bullies him? The concept that it's Robbie roasting himself through Rex is much more compelling and hilarious. We all have that negative voice in our heads.. Robbie just has taken it to another level by personalizing it.
@@mirandanils5114 Trina has the potential to be a killer reality tv personality, sign her up for the next mma ring of death show of the year and she’d win in a landslide.
@@cakefaceLala she’s also talented in MMA fighting. she’s skilled in karate (idk what art form of martial art i’m just assuming but i’m sure they explain it in the helen episode) 💀
The existence of the doll girl from Sam and Cat really helps the Rex is real debate imo. She was shown as just a doll that didnt move or anything from the viewers POV. When they took the doll to a concert the singer got mad and kicked them out cuz he said that the "creepy doll" kept showing up everywhere he went, at the end of the episode the doll became a girl. The Dan Schnieder universe had super heroes and super villains (one that even dresses up and pretends to be a baby) so a sentient doll isnt surprising.
Dan Schneider stopped so much the irl physics shows and started on superhero shows and stuff and I think the Doll girl was the start of that era however there was an episode of Zoey 101 The Curse of PCA which they went way too overboard with that episode But with Rex I think it was ventriloquism Because of episodes like Robbie sells Rex and Rex dies.
I want to note that “multiply personality disorder”, known more modernly as DID, is different than psychosis. If we were arguing that Robbie has psychosis, his beliefs about Rex would be more easily explained as a delusion. Rather than Rex being an alter, Robbie experiences complex delusions that he and other puppets are sentient. That could explain why he claims Rex does things without him, because he genuinely believes it despite evidence to the contrary. From a quick Wikipedia dive I’d say this would be a case of delusional companion syndrome. This is “most often identified in patients who suffer from damage to the brain due to physical trauma, neuronal degeneration or developmental abnormalities”, and focuses on comfort objects like toys. In one case, a mother who lost custody of her children experienced delusional companion syndrome with a baby doll, and even took this doll to the hospital because she was concerned for its health. With delusions like this, it is actually a bad idea to try to force the sufferer to acknowledge that their delusions arent true (or “reality check” them) because it will just cause further agitation and by the nature of a delusion, you’re not going to be able to convince them. … Anyways, that’s just an interesting tidbit if you were convinced of the psychological side. I think it is funnier to consider Rex as partially real, and less depressing, but Victorious is a weirdly depressing show overall if you think about any of the characters personally lives for too long.
I made a comment similar to this, but speaking on the side of DID , and how it’s not psychosis and validating the realness of rex as a person (not the physical puppet but that he infact does exist) is not damaging and would be helpful for someone with DID because the majority of therapy for DID is building connections between host and alter(s)
@@saphire1sababy378 For sure, that's true as well. If it was DID, I think it would still have some elements of delusion (ie, believing the puppet is real and can move on it's own), but either way acknowledging his existence wouldn't be a bad thing. Also, some of his behaviors could be explained as having a role of "persecutor" in their system.
It's revealed in one of the later seasons that Robbie's talent was actually supposed to be stand up comedy and not ventriloquism so I mean you're right about that
Just cause Rex *says* he's out partying the night before, doesn't mean he was actually out without Robbie. Robbie could just be really into the bit and saying that. I'm on the side of Rex being real tbh but I feel like pointing at him implying he has a life through conversation is pretty weak.
I'm on the side of Rex being real too, but honestly I was starting to be swayed more to the side of him just being a puppet because of how weak those arguments were.
Whoever came up with the idea of Robbie/Rex must have been a fan of the late 70s sitcom SOAP. That show also had a character who always went around with an eccentric puppet.
I just found your channel and I’m already binging! Just wanted to let you know that the correct term for what used to be know as multiple personality disorder or split personality is Dissociative Identity Disorder, and the different ‘personalities’ and referred to as alters
I know people hate the rex killed trina debate, but this episode just made me think Rex is a paranormal being like Chucky and why he is a psychopath. But do agree that Robbie is misyongistic and is hiding how he really feels by speaking through Rex.
Chucky was a human who used voodue to posess a doll thatx ehat haooens in the first childs play film he isnt a living doll he a soul traped in a doll because he tried to escape the police by using magic
Robbie’s actual talent is just being a gateway to some sort of spirit world and Rex, while usually being a puppet, is possessed by one of those spirits whenever Robbie needs him to speak or whenever the spirit thinks it would be funniest.
Christopher Cane being apparently an adult with a wife having a crush on Victoria Justice who I think was a teenager at the time was super uncomfortable.
That wasn’t until later when they introduced superhero’s so there intention of having real physics in the shows changed when Henry Danger and that stuff started. Ventriloquism is a talent intentionally for making it look like the puppet is real and there are some very clever ones out there and there is nothing in Victorious showing Robbie and Rex talking at the same time or Rex talking without Robbie holding him the scene where Rex talked when he was in the bag was because Rex was hidden and all Robbie needed to do is talk
I would enjoy a video about the flawed worldbuilding and lack of consistency in the Shniderverse, as I myself have noticed such flaws as a kid. I don't remember any, other than the "is this a fictional show within the show, or just real within the same world?" inconsistencies, but I'm sure I've seen more,
I would love to see you do a video exploring cat valentine and her brother and stuff (yes IK people have done this but I like the way you dissect everything the most)
I don’t know if I’m overanalyzing this but for the interview portion, I’ve never watched the icarly version but I have seen the victorious version. Some people would say that Robbie is Dans self insert since he is pervy and creepy. So it wouldn’t be surprising that Rex would be the same since Robbie is the voice of Rex. Rex has a disdain for Jerry Trainor, which aligns with Dan as well. Jerry would always protect the icarly kids and get in the way of Dans perverted actions make his self insert and Jerry hate one another. Idk it’s all so weird. Also the fact that Rex is in love with Victoria Justice, which aligns with Dan as well because he might have thought that Vic would be making it big and he had an infatuation with all of the girls on set.
That's actually not a bad take on it. It's true Dan never misses the opportunity to project his repressed perversion and emotions in his shows, no better way than to project it all into the manifestation of a singular character. And it's okay to overanalyze, it is greatly appreciated
Btw multiple personality disorder is not a mental disorder. It was removed from the DSM and ICD and it was replaced with disassociated identity disorder(DID). Also DID is not a psychosis disorder. A psychosis disorder would be something like schizophrenia. A psychotic disorder is when the disorder messes with your perception of reality. DID does not change your perception of reality. Furthermore, if Robbie does have DID then he is missing a lot of the symptoms needed for a diagnosis. The only symptom he has is the appearance of multiple personalities. Robbie's symptoms align more with schizophrenia than DID.
I see where you are coming from but I do feel that some of your points could just be because of Robbie wanting Rex to feel more real. For example, Robbie could just be saying that Rex has plans to make it seem like he has his own life. Robbie could have put Rex in Tori’s bag and made up the scenario of finding him. He could have just been fake sneezing for Rex. All of this could have just been made up within Robbie’s mind to make it more real to him. Maybe Rex does meet up with the girls or rly did sneak into the bag, I haven’t watched the show in a while, but that’s how I see it. Sorry if there’s any typos
I think Robbie just has spilt personally or DID and Rex is just a manifestation of Robbie's supposed negative feelings, if was going to describe him he's basically Arnold Wesker/The Ventriloquist and split personality Scarface from Batman but if they were a socially awkward nerdy teenagers, hell even Robbie gotten upset when Tori damaged the Rex doll like like if Rex was a real person, just like when Wesker gotten upset when the Scarface doll got shot down gangster style back in the end of their first episode of Batman TAS. They even have nightmares about their respective spilt personalities.
There is a mandela effect where people remember an episode where rex and Robbie meet when Robbie is 9 he goes into a saloon on holiday and when he's waiting for his lollipop he starts talking to rex and the bartender says that Robbie got him to talk and that he hasn't talked since his last owner left him here. Then Robbie takes rex home and has had him ever since. I've looked for the original episode but no where has it so I think it's a mandela effect
18:48 this could be seen as evidence of Rex being a real boy, but it's even funnier if you look at it through the multiple personalities theory because then it means that either Robbie occasionally enters a fugue state where he drew a hickey on Rex or Rex berated and ordered Robbie to do it and then intimidated him into pretending that it's real
A funny head cannon is that a kid Robbie got Rex as a gift or was drawn to him at a flea market and either way promised a super nerdy loser Robbie that he could make him cool and popular if they promise to be “friends forever” And that seemed like a no brainer of a deal as thanks to him Robbie got into a super cool high school by pretending he has talent by fake a “performance” with Rex but luckily he got by in school as he has talent in the nerdier side of production like lights being originally friends with Sinjin but as he’s less gross he got in with the cool kids to help with their projects and maybe regular school stuff but Rex made him think it was down to him and if he got rid of him then Robbie would be friendless But his friendships grew especially with Beck and Cat so Rex has to bully Robbie to keep him thinking he still needs him But luckily his friends do eventually show him that he’s better without Rex and they should part (Tori made it take longer though) but when Rex was gone Robbie had better luck with Cat and was happier overall and still had all his friends showing that Rex was the loser all along and couldn’t even make good on his side of deal with Robbie giving him “life” as he knows less than Robbie about girls and what’s “cool”
Idk if I agree but very interesting video! For me things like Rex having an active dating life comes off as it’s actually Robbie but the only way he can get the confidence to attend dates or hookup with girls is through Rex. He goes along to these dates telling himself it is Rex’s date when in reality it’s Robbie’s with a girl who probably has a weird fascination with the idea of dating a mentally ill man or saying she hooked up with a puppet. Additionally I could see a girl getting charmed by Rex but thinking “oh this Robbie guy is a flirt” because of the assumption that Robbie IS Rex. Like they think he’s doing a weird pickup line or something
Ngl- what if Rex decides to appear not real to everyone but Robbie to mess up Robbie even more? Like, “now everyone thinks you’re a loser AND insane”?? Definitely giving Robbie a harder time- as well as the whole “getting injured” thing- Rex knows Robbie cares about him, he could definitely play along with playing dead and what not, fully aware of the mentality of Robbie but also slightly aware of Tori, Cat, whoever- knowing Tori isn’t cruel enough to hurt Robbie by letting Rex “stay dead”, etc THAT seems like it makes the most sense, at least to me :))
I always thought that Rex was just a physical outlet for Robbie's schizophrenic second personality. That's why Robbie was like half dead without Rex: Because they are one soul.
Hey, thanks for the amazing video, I'm a huge Cabbie shipper so I would love to see an analysis of the interesting, weird but often wholesome relationship of Cat and Robbie as I ship them way more than Beck and Jade.
I mean the idea that Robbie is just insane and has a puppet with whom he expresses his personality disorder is ultimately more funny then just a regular speaking puppet. Imagine there is a guy in school who is just insane and talks with his puppet all day and thinks it is an actual person. That would be pretty funny.
Idk, if rex is part of Robbie as an identity then it’s important that he’s able to communicate with rex and that rex is treated as a person, but if it’s psychosis that’s completely different- an imaginary person from a psychotic belief is very very different than a split personality- the treatments are very different too because DID and split personalities are actually all one person who’s brain wasn’t able to make the proper connections in childhood due to trauma, psychotic hallucinations is the brain malfunctioning and receiving improper signals- You heal from psychosis with medication for the most part, DID on the other hand is healed by building connections between the personalities
the thing is tho the universe the show rakes place in allready had a shapeshifting doll girl and has super humans posessed evil dolls ecist in that world and thats factual
I went to a magic camp for young magicians. There was a guy who was 16 or 17 who carried around a puppet and constantly did ventriloquism with it. Everybody just sorta played along with it, so it kinda makes sense.
I have a cool head cannon for Robbie. Basically he was bullied, hard, throughout school. Possibly by women primarily hence his misogyny. But either way he figured out the way to get the bullying to stop was to beat them to the punch, self deprecating humor so they were laughing with him not at him. Rex became his way to tell the jokes, and he essentially became a court Jester making the royals laugh and when he wasn’t funny he was back to the bullying. So Rex became a self defense mechanism, hence why he always panics whenever Rex isn’t at his side, and it got to the point that Robbie wasn’t even thinking about the things he made Rex said. Hence why he’ll sometimes seemed shocked at what Rex says or does, or even talk to Rex when no one else is around. Since to an extent he can talk to Rex, having a full conversation a bit.
i just want to say that for theory 1, Robbie wouldn’t have DID or formally known as “split personality disorder” he would have schizophrenia. This is because Robbie has hallucinations when not having Rex. Because people with DID, for one, don’t develop fully formed alters until their 30’s. also they don’t perceive their alters through inanimate objects.
I agree for the most part with your comment, but where did you get the "alters can't fully developed until your in your 30's"? Everywhere I've looked it's saying it's different for every system, not to mention some have even claimed alters have come out fully formed before /gq /npa
there is kind of depression where depressed person makes fun of themselves (sometimes saying really rude or hurtful things about themselves), in order to seem fun
0:54 I just discovered your channel today and watched a few vids. Love the work you put into these. I just started this video. Less than 1 min in and I’m immediately reminded of professional ventriloquists who say that they consider their dummy or puppet real. Candace Bergen was a famous actress who played Murphy Brown in the 1990’s. Her father was a famous ventriloquist in the 1950’s and his puppet was treated as a member of their family. It had its own room and a seat at the table during mealtimes. The puppet was effectively her little brother. Performers will sometimes say that when they’re on stage with the puppet, and it’s time for them to change their voice to speak as the puppet, the ventriloquist will forget and just stare at the puppet waiting for it, the puppet, to talk and say it’s line. The ventriloquist will forget they’re just a doll and they speak for them. So weird. 🫢
My theory is, if we do the all the shows are connected theory, that Robbie has a superpower. Since shows like henry danger and the thundermans exist i like to imagine that Robbie's power is that whenever he puts his hand in a puppet it becomes sentient but because he is in one of the normal shows everyone just thinks he's crazy.
It’s always interesting to hear the original voices of something you watched as a kid. Rex sounds so weird. If Rex is an actor, then both are just right. Because he’s both alive as an actor, but also playing a doll on the show
The vast majority of people prioritize unimportant and useless things if you hadn't noticed, at least you acknowledge the fact, thats respectable, you don't/can't have/do anything particularly helpful (which is untrue for all bigger youtubes for example yet they choose to not use their influence to help except a select few) so you make this, that makes logical sense, unlike the hundreds of millions to billions of people who focus on unimportant/useless things yet have the wealth influence or general power to do something about it, for example I have none of the 3 so I can only hope for an opportunity to arise
I have a visual memory of that knockoff Twitter transition screen where Beck makes a post talking about Rex, which mentions that Beck thinks Rex is a republican. That's when it all fell into place for me.
@@Tronn9672When you do the video on the inconsistencies of the Dan Schneider universe I hope you bring up that the events of shows happened but also were TV shows. Maybe Hollywood decided to make a TV show based on the events happening. So a Drake Bell can meet a Drake Parker or a Miranda Cosgrove can meet a Carly.
My personal belief is a combination of the DID and the Alive version. Personally, I think that Robbie has a kind of latent knowledge or ability, whether he is aware of it or not, that brought Rex to life as an outside voice for Robbie's other main/most prevalent personality. Scenes where Rex is 'not real' are sort of like those parts where an alter is not present in the front/cofronting. The alter was out, so on some level, and on some occasions, Robbie was partially controlling Rex. But most of the time, it was the alter, Rex, possessing/controlling the puppet. Also, when Rex is 'off on his own', such as in the party example, or Rex making other plans, this could refer to other alters in the system, whether Robbie is aware that they are there or not. Perhaps Robbie doesn't know about the alters, and does think Rex is going out, but really, Rex is just going to move the puppet body and then have a night with another alter in the mind space. Or maybe Robbie does know, and is just peeved that Rex wants to hang out with other alters instead of him. As for Rex showing up less and less, I see this to mean that either Rex was a protective alter, and was needed less and less to shield Robbie, or Robbie's alter used to be a little, maybe a bit older of a little, like 10-11, and Rex was, still a protective alter, watching over him. But then the alter of Robbie grew up, either all at once or gradually, and Rex just wasn't needed to protect him.
Rex is just a puppet in universe but treated like an actor on set. The instances that seem like he acted independently are just robbie forgetting or blacking out when he had rex do it or robbie is just imagining rex's plansand rexa actor is still in character when driving. Simple
