Robin vs Topaz & Numby : Who Offers Better Investment Value in Honkai Star Rail 

What sucks is they’re both really great in fua teams 😢. So of course hoyo would release them at the same time to have people potentially buy jades to get both of them for their fua team

As a new F2P player, I have some perspective to offer. I’ve been active for just over a month, I run Acheron, Pela, Guinaifen, Gepard on team 1. I run Ratio, Aventurine, Serval, Asta on team two. Because Ratio is free, it makes absolute sense to invest in him as team two DPS as now I have to pull less characters. I’ve been torn on who to pull to flesh out my Ratio team and after watching so many videos and reading both character’s kits, I think the answer is actually pretty clear. The clear downside to the FUA team of Ratio, Topaz, Robin, Aventurine, is that Topaz doesn’t apply debuffs as consistently without investment past E0S0 which significantly impacts Ratio’s damage in my experience. The other weakness is that you have two hunt characters who are exclusively single target. If you’re a new player you have no Harmony characters unless you started during the sparkle banner or got lucky with Bronya. Robin is an easy to build harmony character who has fantastic F2P light cone options, her damage is very good especially for new players because of her crit ratios being static, her lack of need for speed (pun intended), and her desire to stack attack percent in everything except rope. For people who can’t relic farm and speed tune, like myself, because of TB level (61 in my case) getting optimal speed tuning and gear is a pipe dream. I’m still farming traces to get 8/8/8 on both of my teams. This adds value to Robin and her team wide boost because your party members are slow. Couple this with a ridiculous attack buff and passive crit damage increase and I think the winner is clear. I’m sad that I won’t be able to pull Topaz as she can proc Robin’s damage a lot however, the likelihood of her getting power crept is high especially when you have a character like Jade coming out who is Erudition. This could balance the weakness of Ratio and make for a well rounded team depending on her kit. This is why I am going to skip Topaz and go for Robin and why I would recommend to anyone in a similar position to me to do the same. If you have any other insight or rebuttals I’d be happy to hear them as I want to make the most optimal decisions I can on my journey to clear all content in the game. Edit: Autocorrect error corrections. Edit 2: Added paragraph breaks for easier reading lol.

I think topaz is adorable. I want her to make a good fua team w aventurine and ratio but I just don't really like her kit for some reason. I think I might have to skip her personally this time. Maybe I'll want her in the future. Boothill and robin for me it is.

"Boring FuA teams"? Good analysis video, but personally I prefer my follow up animations domino effecting over just seeing DoT numbers pop up all at once. Far from boring IMO.

Topaz is a rerun so that means if you dont get her now, it'll most likely be a while till you can get her again. Robin should be re-run in a few patches

u make the best suggestion video to who to chose nd in other area. THANKS A LOT BUDDY 😁😁

Im new to this channel, but I like your motto in the description, and you really served well

As always you deliver the exact video I need!

Hi! thank you for the video, you always pumping out good content. I was actually contemplating about this 2 particular character and if I should build FUA teams since I love Aventurine and Ratio. Because my account mainly focus on hyper-carry. So thank you!

Robin is Topaz' best support lmao. The people who already have Topaz and are pulling Robin are the real winners. Luckily I already have Topaz

Completely agree with your whole analysis! And I'm very happy that you put out this particular video. Problem is: Our opinions are so similiar, I still have to weigh my options with regards to my F2P account. Which one I'll pull? We'll see, atm I tend towards Topaz and Numby, but that might change quite soon and suddenly. 😅😄

Going for Topaz for my Ratio and my Aventurine team. Amazing synergy between those 3.

I can comfortably 36 star MOC and don't need topaz at all but man the FUA team looks really fun to play. I'll have to go for both

For my account I kind of have 3 teams. 1) Firstly the DoT team with Kafka, Sampo (Ideally wanted Black Swan), Ruan Mei and any of the Sustains(Natasha, Lynx, Gallagher, Gepard and Aventurine) 2) Secondly I have a Dr Ratio team with Dr Ratio, Pela, Silver Wolf or any Harmony (Sparkle, Tingyun) and any of the Sustains(Natasha, Lynx, Gallagher, Gepard and Aventurine) most likely Aventurine or Gallagher 3) Last but not the least I have a Acheron Team with Acheron, Pela, Silver Wolf or Guinaifen and a sustain most likely Aventurine or Gallagher. So I think that getting Topaz and Numby for my Dr Ratio team would help me greatly and I really like follow-up playstyle. I feel like it is the best playstyle aside from Kafka DoT teams.

my favorite hsr youtuber .. kee p it up bro ...also im gonna try for both robin and topaz

I wanna know what EOD thinks about Boothill. In early game I played Sushang E5 but she’s doesn’t feel that strong anymore. Should I replace her with Boothill? Or maybe if I fix my Sushang build will she still be viable in MoC 12? I also have Argenti so I’m not really so sure if I should get the space cowboy.

I'm leaning Robin. In a perfect world I'd be able to get both, but Robin seems to be great for PF as well, and that's an area where I struggle more on, whereas I can usually 36 star MoC more consistently. Though, biggest thing is Robin will probably take less time to rerun after this banner, so I'm still conflicted

For those that are super conflicted and need both for FUA teams, just pull for Topaz and get Robin on her rerun. The wait for rerun will be brutal but worth it.

Thanks for the detailed analysis

thanks for this video! I am really stuck between which one of them should i pull

While I don't personally play fua teams I heard that jade is going to be fua centered as well like the rest of the ipc characters. Knowing this I don't think topaz is going to have a place in the meta and will be the first to be replaced in the ratio topaz robin aventurine comp. Most players likely have a low amount of pulls now still recovering from pulling on acheron banner (probably swan and sparkle too) so this patch seems like the best time to save with 2.3 looking like it is going to bring a lot more significant improvements over current destruction/fua units. If you already have the fua core and are just missing robin it is likely a different consideration but picking up both would require too many jades from top ups with only a questionable payoff. Outside of fua Robin seems worse than sparkle/rm.

Yaaay the long awaited video 🎉🎉🎉🎉

I’m excited for the robin vs Ruan Mei comparison so I can see if I should pull for robin or wait for rerun of ruan mei

Is there any point in getting Robin if you have E0S0 Ruan Mei? I'd like to fully invest in the Jade dream team but it seems too expensive when I need both Topaz, her LC, and then Jade and her LC. Already snagged E1S1 Adventurine. But then it's tempting to go the Firefly route since I have RM already. I just don't know.

I'm getting both. Robin is going to be the backbone to a lot of comps alongside Ruan Mei and Sparkle - each catering and being bis to some team. Topaz is going to be essential to any FUA team as she and Numby are super synergistic to FUAs. Now I could also use March instead of Topaz but I see this as an investment for future content so that's why I'm pulling both

Ill be getting both. Giving in to the intrusive thoughts.

i had no idea that dance dance dance on Asta could give me a budget Robin. that's good to know. frankly, I'm out of gems, but I'm tempted to pull on this banner anyway because i lack eidolons on hanya. if i had to accidentally get one of these two limited characters though... I'd probably still choose robin despite me prefering ruan mei's design over hers. I already have 2+ limited 5* dps characters and lack a 5* harmony. thank you very much for the vid! this banner is super tempting & challenging to pick!

Diamond is an emanator of preservation like Acheron is for nihility, so he will most definitely be Preservation.

These banners are killing me- I like them both, and I have a fua team as one of my mains. However though I must get Boothill- Love him too much to risk not getting him Ill definitely be picking up Robin on rerun, and maybe Topaz

I already have Ruan Mei, Sparkle, Bronya and Tingyun (E6). So I will just build up my pity with Topaz or lose the 50:50 for the next banner I think

As a BP+monthly-only player that never pulls for eidolons (and rarely LCs), I've only had to skip 3 characters so far. Of those three (DHIL, Topaz and Argenti), my only regret is missing out on Topaz, tbh. I'd love to get Robin, but my choice here is clear. Let's see if I regret missing her and continue the cycle of regret.

I wanna build an fua team i have bronya , aventurine and ratio , does bronya work as an replacement for robin , since aventurine is pretty sp positive

Absolutely love this channel, only one I watch. I have RM and Bronya already and I'm looking to fill out my FUA team. Thinking of replacing RM with Tingyun in my Jingliu, Huo, Bronya team to fit her with Ratio, Topaz, Adventurine. Should I pull for Topaz?

@eodgamer The concern with f2p viability for Topaz is that Cruising in the Stellar Sea likely goes to one of Topaz/Dr Ratio, if so then what other 5*/4* LCs can the other use?

I have topaz and def plan on pulling robin, I just wonder if I am gonna regret not getting aventurine. I mean how much value does he really add to a follow up team, or will it be close to as good with fu xuan. If I get aventurine now, I don't think I will be able to get firefly.

I have many reasons not to pull for Robin: 1. Already have Ruan Mei, Sparkle, and Bronya 2. Have an E0 Acheron currently paired with SW and Pela - she'll be stuck with nihility supports forever 3. Not planning to invest into FUA teams (I'm living the hypercarry life) I have one reason to pull for Robin: 1. My love for her As a light spender (I've bought two Express Supply Passes AKA 6000k jades) I'm in a very privileged position where I managed to win my first six 50/50s, and so still have 350 pulls at my disposal right now. My plan is E0 Robin -> E0/E1S1 Firefly (depending on luck) -> E0 Huohuo

Hello i dont have Topaz....i have Huo Huo and Gepard, should i pull aventurine or is a good idea to skip him for Topaz?

I wouldn't mind Robin but I already have Ruan Mei, Sparkle, and e2 Bronya, meanwhile I'm still putting along with Seele as my 2ndary main dps. I need Firefly pretty bad because I don't like Boothill's design.

Which one is better for a F2P? Last banners I got lucky and I got Aventurine and Jingliu, I also have Dr. Ratio in my current team, all E0. Which one (Topaz or Robin) is better at their E0 for me? I also don't have the 4* harmony characters other than Asta so I am lacking in the support department. I also do like the FUA gameplay style but I could also go for a Jingliu team. My current main team is Dr. Ratio, Aventurine, Bailu, Jingliu. I'm also currently building Pela so I have her too. Any thoughts for what I should do?

Ima try to get both because i have a well built ratio, an s5 sword play to stick on topaz, and for robin she has an event light cone that i will hope will be good.

should i pull for robin if i just started a new acc and still doing the belobog quest? or should i pull for topaz?

I'm pulling for topaz because for harmony I'm aiming for ruan mei in future patch. and I'm almost at 300 standard tickets so I'm gonna get bronya. Maybe I'll get robin on her rerun someday

Really looking forward to seeing the synergy with Madam Ruan Mei and Robin on the same team....think even their E1s/E2s work great together too. Have Miss Himeko so I'm probably pacing on Topaz and Numby again.

Topaz kit is good if other allies keep attacking the target with the "proof of debt" debuff so Numby can quickly have multiple turns to attack. Topaz's best team would be Ratio, Aventurine and Robin.

do i prioritize robin or topaz first for my ratio/aventurine team? iwas just wondering since i only have enough to guarantee one of them i already have ruan mei so it makes me hesitant to choose robin 😭 also i dont have sparkle yet for my other team >< (i have tingyun, asta and bronya built though)

Personally, I have all harmony units--is it worth it to pull for robin or just go for topaz for my IPC team. It's really hard because a lot of people are talking about how e0s0 topaz sucks and she needs s1e1 to be good. I am also going to pull for jade no doubt, so I don't know which one would be the right fit.

Pls help me choose , i have aventurin e0s1 , dr ratio e0s0 , topaz numby e0s0 for the fua team and ive been thinking to pull robin e0s0 to complete my fua team , but is the debuffs still be enough for the team ? Or should i just go for topaz e1 ?

it feels like jade will replace topaz and numby? I know you just will be covering “acharacter”. can you do a video about that i have to decide on who to pull

Im trying for both, but considering I was Eulaless Eula main for over a year until her rerun, I think it is obvious which I am pulling for first.

I already have the Ratio, Aventurine, and Topaz core. Now I do think I'll always be using this comp from now on and the other side of MoC is the only one I'll be experimenting with. Instead of investing horizontally, I'm thinking of investing vertically in this team. (I really find this FuA team fun to use) Getting their lightcones, stuff like that. For now I'm with an E1S1 Aventurine, E0S0 Topaz and Ratio, and I'm planning for E0S1 Robin. Now I'm struggling to pick between S1 Topaz or S1 Robin. I'm either gonna go spend some money, get lucky or choose wisely. I originally wanted Boothill but I just love Firefly so much I'm going for her E0S1 too and skipping the second phase of 2.2. Thoughts?

I already have Topaz and I'd really like to get Robin for my team with Topaz, Dr. Ratio and Aventurine, but the Aventurine banner pretty much deleted all my jades. For collection purposes I'd rather get Jade in 2.3, so I'll sadly have to skip Robin, Boothill and Firefly. Also before anyone comes at me about optimal pulling, I don't care how much better it would be to get Robin. I've seen the leaks, I'd just rather get the characters I prefer instead of carving one or two cycles of my MoC runs.

THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR, I WANTED TO KNOW IF ROBIN IS A BETTER SUPPORT FOR DR RATIO OR RUAN MEI, KEEP IN MIND I DONT HAVE AVENTURINE TO DO THAT IPC PREMIUM FUA TEAM AND I JUST STARTED SO I DONT HAVE A 5 STAR HARMONY

Best of luck to anyone who pulling Robin, Topaz, and Fuxuan (including me) :’( It’s sad but I will skip 2.3 and pull for Jinquo

Please suggest me something - I have topaz Dr ratio Ruan mei and aventurine .. I don't have any signature lightcones of them .. should I pull for topaz light cone (guaranteed btw) .. I am asking this because I also want fuxuan as a sustain for my acheron team .. please tell me

As someone who already has Ruan Mei and doesn't care about Follow Up teams, I'm skipping this first run of 2.2 and waiting for Fu Xuan, as I have no 5* sustain characters. Is that the right call? Or is Robin really that good? (started playing in December)

I have DrRatio E0S1 Aventurine E0S1Topaz E0S0, should I go for Topaz E1 or S1 or Robin?

Diamond would definitely be Preservation, being an Emanator of Preservation after all. (That's why I'd rather wait for Diamond than pulling for Aventurine) Obsidian and Opal are Stonehearts who had been named.. maybe they would be different paths. The new Mikhail 4* Harmony event LC (in 2.2) can be used by Robin. Possibly her BiS, even

Curious how harmony MC will factor in - getting another free harmony character, does that change things? I am not current on any leaks but I know harmony MC is coming, and I would guess that would impact pulling decisions

Guys, I need help. I can pull for Topaz and Robin for my Aventurine and dr. Ratio for full fua team. But if I'll not so lucky, I will not enough of pulls for s1 of Topaz. I'm worried about amount of debuffs for Ratio. Is it still playable without everyone's s1 and e1?

As an E0s1 topaz haver would you recommend pulling robin, or a e1 topaz?

I thought that Topaz & Numby have a very high future value because of the upcoming Apocalyptic Shadow in version 2.3, which is an addition to Memory of Chaos and Pure Fiction? Isn't she good for single target challenges?

going for both T.T

if you have ratio and aventurine, i recommend to pull for topaz bcs they have a very good synergy together. I cleared my very first 12 MoC with those lineup

Can you do a Robin vs Ruan mei? Cant decide who to get

I don't know if I'm very dumb, but (as a new player with just ratio, aventurine and himeko as his 5 stars) I'm very tempted to get e0s1 topaz for my dr ratio team. Ofc robin would be amazing BUT it'd just make the team a little bit too akward to play, because aventurine and ratio are both e0s0 and I'd rather use a 4 star support like pela instead and be more consistent with the damage. Also pulling for the light cone has the advantage that I have to win a 50/50 and a 75/25 instead of two 50/50s back to back lmao.

I'm mad confused rn i'm a new player and i got dr ratio e0 no lc aventurine e0 no lc and im confused if i should get topaz or robin for fua team (im at 30 pulls rn😭)

hiiiii if i have Clara-Aventurine-Ratio, who should i prioritise pulling? Like if i die die insist to have Clara in my FUA team because SHE IS MY FIRST FIVE STAR AND MY BAE also for side info : I have Ruan Mei on my Kafka/BlackSwan DoT Team And recently Acheron Pela SW Aventurine as my 2nd team BUT I ONLY MANAGE TO FINALLY CLEAR SWARM DISASTER FIVE WITH MY CLARA-AVENTURINE-RATIO COMBO (with ruan mei) SO IM BACK AT MY LOVE FOR FUAAAAAAA so who is better for me? Robin vs Topaz

I plan to get Topaz and run her with Ratio, Aventurine, and Tingyun but should I try to replace tingyun with Robin?

I got robin now so I that I can get Topaz and her LC at the same time on her re-rerun as it will take quite a while. I can use Robin with kafka and black swan too until I get Ruan Mei.

Personally, I think the future value of Topaz and Robin is not even comparable. Nobody debuffs FUA but at the end of the day her contributions to FUA compared to adding another harmony unit on that team just isn't enough and ultimately her value comes from adding her dmg, which unlike Robin, is not affected by the other dps' investment unlike Robin's contributions which are. And with the way Robin's kit works, the better your teams are and the more dmg they do the more value you will get out of the teamwide action advance and her ultimate buffs.

Even if you already have Ruan Mei and Sparkle, pulling for another 5 star Harmony Robin is never a mistake. I'm personally pulling for every Harmony character

You say Topaz is f2p friendly, but everyone is telling me she's 100% not worth without E1 or S1.

should i go for e1 robin or e1 topaz or s1 robin

I just realised that Argenti will be coming soon because Topaz is having the rerun right now. Which means Jinqou + Sunday (don't know will pull depends on kit) + Argenti will be very close or basically back to back pulls. I was planning to pull for Robin. But maybe not now 🤡

Will Robin be good with Jade or Firefly? How does Robin perform in my E2 Acheron team? Will is see a gain or downgrade from Mei in my Dot team. I like Robin but not sure if she has value for me right now, but in the future, not sure.

Who do you think would be better for Himeko?

I only have advanturine as premium sustainer but I do have ruan mei so should I just save ffor fu xuan or pull topazz I have imbibitor lunae sparkle team with lynx as sustainer then the other one is kafka swan team help me

I’ve steeled myself to get Topaz after skipping her debut banner (didn’t want to skip her but was waiting for SW). Now that she’s back, I’m focused on getting her. Robin is really nice but i have a nice collection of support already so skipping her for now and might go get her later. Robin would help a lot in my PF team but i still prioritize to get Topaz first. Good luck to everyone that will be pulling in 2.2 banners 🙏 Edit : Btw is it better to get E1S0 or E0S1 for Topaz? In the future I’ll probably go for E1S1 but for now I could only get either (E1S0/E0S1) with my funds as i want to save a bit for Firefly too.

Robin&Topaz is a hard skip for me, even though I like them: I need Fu Xuan, Boothill looks awesome in the leaked videos and right after them, there is Firefly/Sam who is a must pull. Not to mention Jade… Sometimes you gotta skip (unless you are willing to PAY)

I don't have a 5 star fire unit. Topaz or Firefly?

I have DH IL , jing yuan, kafka , Dr ratio and acheron and jingliu My sustains :aventurine , gepard , bailu and lynx E6 So between robin , ruan Mei and sparkle who should I choose ?? ( I have silver wolf, hanya , bronya e1 , pela e6 )

Topaz needs her Light Cone and ideally her E1 to fulfill Dr. Ratio's debuff requirement herself. So I would not recommend Topaz at E0S0.

Before watching the video im thinking the better value in the long term is always always a support char but im still going for topaz simply for lore reasons (ipc 10 stonehearts)

Will get both, since I'm skipping Aventurine, just hope to win 50/50 so I will have something saved for ButtHill and Gundam.... Right now 50/50 57 pity with 145 pulls + 90 pulls in starlight. PS. I know Aventurine great for FUA teams, but I have Fuxuan and plan to get HuaHua on her rerun for my DOT team first.

Soo… I already Have Sparkle, Ruan Mei and Bronya(E1), I should try Robin or Topaz? I love both

hey guys, i don't have ruan mei, and i have bronya and e0s1 aventurine who should i pull for my ratio-aventurine team? topaz or robin? my current team is aven-ratio-pela-bronya ruan mei banner isn't planned anytime soon so i'm hopefull that i'll have enough saved up for her rerun if i pull for either robin/topaz

does FuA Robin can trigger Stack adventurine?

How much better is robin over ruan mei for fua?

Topaz has higher potential but also higher investment. As you said, given Hoyo's marketing scheme, it's likely they'll pull a team IRS, but that means you'll need chars like Adventurine and Jade. I'm also coping for Firefly and WB meta. Aintnoway they market her so much only for her to be shit

Is Robin’s coordinated damage (during her ult, when teammates attack) itself considered a follow-up attack?

for as f2p, i think i'm not gonna roll for robin despite i don't have Sparkle, but i do have Ruan Mei..... maybe ill just target Firefly next (i dont have topaz and aventurine despite having a free Dr. Ratio, and i don't have Clara also)

My account is new(a month old) and I have jingliu on my 2nd team but have no supports for her, will robin work well for her?

I love that HSR is trying to complete the meta while considering character's relationship to each other. I love when they have sinergy both in and off the battle. FUA Team is full of IPC (Topaz, Ratio, Jade, & Aventurine). They share the same play of style that is Follow Up Attack and sinergize with each other. Acheron Team is full of those that closely related to her. There's Welt who share story with her, there's MC whose she encounters multiple time, Black Swan who got interest on her, Aventurine who fight her recently. Jingliu Team is full of those that related to Luofu. Like Blade whose part of High Cloud Quintet with her, Tingyun who also comes from Luofu, Luocha who surprisingly is her companion. Seele Team that used to related to all the Belobog's especially Bronya. Eventho' some don't have connection, HSR keep releasing character that support the previous release. Sparkle solves DHIL's SP issue, Black Swan solves Kafka impermanent stacks, Robin enhance FUA damage issue, etc.

Assuming I dont have any 5* support other than Bronya, should I go for Robin?

does robin's fua during her ult count toward aventurine's passive stacks?

Definitely rerun for Robin, Sparkle and RM do everything just fine, and I gotta grab Huo to round out my survivability. I however lack fire, and want to buff my FUA units. And also have no interest in Firefly as of right now. The real question is, E0, E1, or S1…

17:02 we will get 4* event lightcone for robin

So I already had topaz (I think she was my first 5 star banner character. Is tarted when the game came out to ps5 in October) but just on he Waifu aspect itself j might have picked Robin over topaz But since I have topaz I can get Robin with no regrets!!

Im going for both but ill spend a bit. Really want them for the ratio robin topaz aventurine team.

The team wide bronya is already more than enough. Fuck whatever she can do that's broken as is. I can't wait to use her on my dot team.