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Robinson vs Enstrom Which Helicopter Would You Pick? 

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Robinson helicopter, Enstrom helicopter, which are you going to pick? Hello, I'm Kenny Keller, the creator of Helicopter Online Ground School and I've had the opportunity to fly both of these great aircraft over the years as a student. I've flown them as an instructor. I've been paid to fly both. I'm going to start with the 2 different rotor systems that they have. The Enstrom is a fully articulated rotor system and is called a high inertia rotor system, which I can tell you is very, very good. With the Robinson R44, it's a semi rigid system and depends on who you talk to, whether they call it a low inertia or a high inertia. Definitely more inertia than the R22, which is a good thing.
One of the biggest benefits of the Enstrom and the high inertia system, the auto rotation is absolutely incredible. If you enter it nice, it's not a lot of work. It's very, very stable. The semi-rigid system on the R44, it's nice, it's smooth, it's up, it has some inertia in their. R rotations aren't too bad. They're pretty decent as well. Between the 2 which is going to be better? That's something that people are probably going to argue back and forth. Rotor system on the Enstrom I can tell you is pretty darn tough. I survived a helicopter ground resonance incident about 10 years ago in the Enstrom 480, basically the same rotor system. Even though the entire aircraft was destroyed, the rotor system remained intact.
The only thing that was left of the aircraft was the rotor system and the rotor blades pretty much unharmed. With the R44 and the semi-rigid, there is something they call low G mast bumping that can be a catastrophic event and the fully articulated system does not suffer from that low G mast bumping. One thing there that probably would make me lean a little more toward the fully articulated on the Enstrom. Now just in case you're thinking oh he's already going to favor the Enstrom, let's go to the R44 and talk about some of the good things about the R44 that you don't have with the Enstrom. The R44 is a 4-place helicopter. You can see 2 in the front and 2 in the back. The Enstrom they call a 3-seater. To be quite honest, 3 reasonable side adults like 3 normal size guys, they get in there and they're pretty squished in there. To call the 3-place, yes it is a place but it's going to work best with say 2 adults and a child in the middle, okay then you can call it a 3-seater. For the next plug for the Robinson, I personally think that the R44 as far as doing commercial operations is going to be the Enstrom hands down due to the fact that, let's use the example of helicopter rides. They have helicopter rides as a type of commercial thing that you want to do. You're going to be able to see 3 people, 3 pretty much normal sized people. You have a bigger engine, so you have more available power and for that operation most definitely.
I've done helicopter rides with the Enstrom, but again it's a 3-place, 2 and a half place. You have one person that might be a little on the heavier side. You're only going to be able to take up one person on that helicopter ride. For a couple of helicopters that are general vicinity of that price range of what somebody will be looking at for a personal aircraft or possibly doing some commercial stuff as far as helicopter rides, you're not going to be able to beat the R44. Hands down, and I know quite a few people out there doing like say crop dusting with R44. I'm sure there's probably some people doing it with the Enstrom, but I don't hear about it a lot. It's its more common as far as I know in the R44. Next, we'll cover tail rotors for just a second. The Robinson is known for having a really good design on the tail rotor and a very effective tail rotor. I can also tell you that the tell tail rotor on the Enstrom also has pretty good reviews and they say that it's a really good system and a really good tail rotor as well. As far as flying the 2, I can't tell you that I noticed any big huge difference and I really would have no pic as far as which one would be the better. Next, I'd like to talk about the 2 as far as from a training environment with the fuel. With the Enstrom, I like that a lot because it has two 20-gallon tanks. There's a factory fuel stick that's right inside the door.
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@melvinelder3587
@melvinelder3587 2 года назад
Especially after the mishap in Texas with the R-44, just I don’t even know anymore with Robinson!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@flyinggyros9745
@flyinggyros9745 3 года назад
I learned in a Brantley B2b. I have a little time in the Enstrom. Also an hour or two in a Bell 47 and Hughes 300. I would pick the Enstrom first.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
Thanks for commenting.
@np-jf1zw
@np-jf1zw 7 лет назад
It's nice to hear the comparison between the two helicopters from an experienced pilot.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Thank you Sidney we appreciate that!
@georgeemmerich1485
@georgeemmerich1485 7 лет назад
I trained on a R22. Never flown a R44. I owned an Enstrom F28A, No Turbo. Was an interesting learning experience without the Turbo. Had to be on the throttle or rotor rpm deteriorated rapidly. Was fun to fly at altitude, stable, quiet and great view. Experience in a Bell 47G2 helped on the throttle experience. Excellent video and I afree on everything you said. I did once fly an Enstrom F28C and the Turbo made if really fun. Great autos.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Thanks for the feedback George!
@Bendito-valiente
@Bendito-valiente 6 лет назад
Nice comparison. i just converted and got rated on enstrom as an instructor,my previoius rating was on S300C. it seems a bit difficult at start but well when you have few hours on it you get used to trim and there you are. its just very forgiving in emergency handling. affords lots of reaction time to new pilots making them more safe. low disc loading combined with high inertia rotor make it an ideal bird for practicing autorotations.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@zzodr
@zzodr 6 лет назад
I learnt in a Bell 47. No governor. No low rotor RPM horn or light. No VSI. Didn't really need a ASI either. But it's the best view out of the lot. :-)
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@PhotogSteve81
@PhotogSteve81 6 лет назад
Great video Kenny. I have been learning on an R44 and hoping to get inside of an enstrom soon to see how I fit. I am about half way through you book. Thanks for being a great resource.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Awesome Steve Thank You Very Much for the feedback!
@fernandocardoze1196
@fernandocardoze1196 7 лет назад
You are a true professional, congrats!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Thanks for commenting!
@JimBarnhill6
@JimBarnhill6 6 лет назад
Great video. I learned in an Enstrom and have flown R44, R22, Alouette, Bell 47, and Hiller. From my perspective the biggest factor in preference is trailerable. You just can’t trailer a fully articulated helicopter “conveniently”. In a commercial operation trailer ability is critical.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@johnwhodat8135
@johnwhodat8135 4 года назад
I learned to fly r22 with correlator back in 1983 at the Pacific wing and rotor flt school in long beach ca. Got my private rotor craft rating in summer of that year.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing!
@AlwayzPr0
@AlwayzPr0 8 лет назад
I've flown a 44 and 22, I don't mind the cyclic at all. I think it feels better in my hand because I can rest my arm on my leg.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 лет назад
+Harrison William I agree totally! It's very comfortable once get used to it!
@mmaldonadojr
@mmaldonadojr 4 года назад
I learned to fly in Robinsons and I totally agree! When transitioning to the Schweizer 300 I found the cyclic handle a bit taller than ideal for me!
@davidwallace5738
@davidwallace5738 Год назад
Great video! Thanks!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Год назад
You're welcome!
@737tech
@737tech 7 лет назад
I learned in the Enstrom. It is so stable and tough.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Very stable amazing machine!
@fionahall2824
@fionahall2824 8 лет назад
Having flown extensively in the R22 and the R 44 I have to go with Enstrom all the way... I didn't like her at first purely from a visual perspective but once you fly in her and I must add at this point I have only ever flown in the Enstrom as a passenger - she is just beautiful. Spacious, fantastic surround visual and according to all the pilots that I have flown with in the Enstrom and spoken to about it... exceptionally powerful and easy to fly. I have also witnessed the Enstrom extensively doing crop spraying and boy oh boy is she agile and the pilots rate her very highly.... and finally when the famous Dennis Kenyon told me in no uncertain terms that the Enstrom was his favourite and he would not recommend anything better for me to learn to fly on I WAS SOLD....And so wish me luck as I take up the challenge to learn to fly in the Enstrom.... ps I think she is rather pretty now when I look at her..... Happy Landings All... xx
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 лет назад
Thank you very much for your input!
@wernerwiedon1331
@wernerwiedon1331 5 лет назад
I was in R 22 ! Not long time ago, well on the ground I was having a Chicken dance on the ground ! I'm still Bell 47 my think !
@wernerwiedon1331
@wernerwiedon1331 5 лет назад
@@HelicopterGround understand
@heli-crewhgs5285
@heli-crewhgs5285 2 года назад
Dennis Kenyon RIP.
@peterrowcliffe747
@peterrowcliffe747 2 года назад
well done learning to fly in a Enstrom , Peter
@shawnedwards5369
@shawnedwards5369 Месяц назад
I'm just starting my rotary-wind add-on training. I prefer light aircraft like the 152 II Aerobat I got my license in, so I love small and nimble helicopters as well. I was deciding between the R22 and the Schweizer 300 and I ended up going the Robinson route because of the following: * Robinson publishes ALL of their documentation in free .pdf format * Robinson regularly publishes safety notices * They're everywhere and pretty much every helicopter mechanic can work on them * The flight school I chose has a bunch of them that they rotate out for MX by their own A&P crew * They're absolutely safe if you fly them within their design limits. That's on US as the pilot to fly it like it's designed. Cars have issues all the time that'll kill you if you don't get it fixed; it's called a recall. When that happens to an aircraft, and especially if it's a Robinson, the hit pieces come out of the woodwork. * Flying *any* aircraft is inherently dangerous. Preflight *yourself* before every flight before you even leave for the airport, and take responsibility for your actions and responsibilities as a pilot. Don't blame somebody else for your inability to fly within design limitations and/or check your dangerous attitudes. Yes, I'm very aware that I could die on my next flight. I've also come within seconds to death on more occasions than I can name--and that's in and out of vehicles. That's the price we pay for living the lives of adventurers. And if you're a pilot and you don't see yourself as an adventurer, then I think you've missed the obvious. What goes up and doesn't leave the atmosphere must come down. That can be elegantly or with a "splat," but that's largely up to you. Now *that's* an adventure!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Месяц назад
Thanks for sharing
@ottoroth9377
@ottoroth9377 2 года назад
You chose your wording very well Ken about which bird you would choose to own.....but I just cannot get used to the cyclic in a Robie...like driving with the car steering wheel in the full upright tilt position..just don't feel like you have full control...I like something I can feel between my knees (Ok readers..clean mind here)...I was used to a Bell 47 at Ft Rucker, then we graduated to our assigned Huey's..like flying a Cadillac compared to a VW! Thanks for your videos and knowledge, I salute you!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thank you for the feedback Otto!
@carloscortes5570
@carloscortes5570 4 года назад
Enstrom f28f just crashed saturday night at the Bloomsberg PA county fair..while giving sightseeing rides..thank God pilot and 2 passengers survived..i also read that a few vehicles parked unoccupied where also damaged..
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing!
@chrisguess1125
@chrisguess1125 6 лет назад
Kenny it is sad but I am found myself sitting here at myrtle beach on vaction watching your videos! I am getting hooked on your channel!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
It's not sad! I'm on vacation Orange Beach AL answering viewer comments :)
@chrisguess1125
@chrisguess1125 6 лет назад
Kenny lol tushay!! You still out of IN ? Thinking pretty hard about coming to have a chat with you one day soon.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
C65, 301 airport rd., Plymouth Indiana 46563. Stop by. I do not find your name among the ranks of Helicopter Online Ground School, so maybe you have never received a free copy of Helicopter Check Ride, Here is a link www.helicopterground.com/pl/1856
@Heli4213
@Heli4213 5 лет назад
Great video!!!!!!!!!!!!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@Bkytrmpt
@Bkytrmpt 5 лет назад
Helicopoter enthusiast here...excellent presentation from professional pilot with interesting insight...been in many helicopters as passenger and 3 times as intro flight...Schwiezer 269, Bell 47 and R22...I very impressed with Robinsons and saw video of factory and like that most of parts are made in their plant in California for quality control. I fly helicopters much..... on my computer simulator that is aka...MIicrosoft FSX and XPlane is where I get a lot of joy out of. To those who call Robinsons...'ugly' the Robinson does look almost comic-like in appearance but when you look again ...they do look sleek, stunning and sexy if you will. I have always admirred the Bell 47 for its looks/sound and its a fine machine that most people can appreciate. The Robbys(as some call them) have a really auwsome sound and they are fast too to compete with a Bell 206 jet ranger for much less the cost...roughly $380 for the R44 versus I million for Bell jet ranger. I am glad to hear the good safety of the Enstrom but no visible control tubes of the rotor mast I always thought looked odd. Having my 1st intro in the Schwiezer 269 with articulated rotor system I must say they are very smooth flying with hardly no vibrations which is nice. If cost was not an issue I would opt for a turbine R66....but that is just me. I sure either choice of helicopter preference will serve the user fine....they both are fine pieces of fun toys people can enjoy having for either commercial use or pleasure.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Bruce!
@alvindueck8227
@alvindueck8227 7 лет назад
for me,it'd be the Robinson. mainly for learning in. But that's a decade into the future, right now I need to focus on my truck driving career.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Thanks for your input!
@gnagyusa
@gnagyusa 6 лет назад
Enstrom. Hands down. I've learned in Robinsons, saw way too many accidents with pilots decapitated by the Robinson's rotor after a low-g mass bumping. I switched to Enstroms and I'd never sit in a Robbie again. I like to keep my head where it is, thank you very much. BTW, the Enstrom is the only civilian helicopter with a tough-enough rotor system to pull this off: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s3vRD2kiG3I.html I'd never want to try it, but it's good to know that it can take it, if I get into some rough turbulence.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Thanks for commenting
@dlfsiu
@dlfsiu 8 лет назад
Kenny, good point about the fuel tanks on R44. Aux is smaller than main. I think of it more in terms of time. Main tank gives you approx. 2 hrs and Aux tank give you 1 hr. A quick look at gauges tells you how much "time" you have.I must say I have been impressed with cruise speed of R44. It is really Jet Ranger fast. What's the typical cruise speed with the Enstrom?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 лет назад
+dlfsiu Thanks for your input! For me I normally cruise about 80mph in the Enstrom. You can fly it faster but at that speed it's nice and smooth and I can look around and enjoy the scenery!
@SquareoftheyearFM
@SquareoftheyearFM 7 лет назад
There's just been another R44 loss in New Zealand, two souls. Lots of speculation of mast bumping sadly.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Always sad to hear!
@neti_neti_
@neti_neti_ 7 лет назад
i will pick Enstrom 480 great airframe, solid ,reliable, fun and good for commercial use . turbo shaft power plant is silky smooth
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
480 is a great machine!
@neti_neti_
@neti_neti_ 7 лет назад
thanks your opinion matters
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Thank your commenting!
@born2flyau
@born2flyau 7 лет назад
Another great video. What is your preference & why in Enstrom the 280FX or the F-28 F. Do you have any photos of the ground resonance accident.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Eitehr way for me, the F-28 F is a little easier to climb in and out of, 280 FX is a little more sporty and a little faster. Both great aircraft. Will have to dig out the crash pictures!
@rogerbartels5223
@rogerbartels5223 4 года назад
Not counting the initial purchase price, you can buy about 2-1/2 R-44s compared to only 1 Hughes 530FF / MD530F. However, comparing the Operating Cost of the R-44 compared to the 530FF, for say about 4,000 hours, they are a similar operating cost. I have a lot of time in the Hughes 500 series and I would take the Hughes every day over the R-44.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing Roger!
@marititi64
@marititi64 7 лет назад
that video I like I take the robinson thank
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Thank you for commenting!
@redjohn20001
@redjohn20001 2 года назад
I remember reading an article a few years ago stating that here in the UK there had never been a fatality in an Enstrom helicopter.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Could be.
@EllipsisAircraft
@EllipsisAircraft 4 месяца назад
There are several. Search: Enstrom 280FX N86235
@31186dan
@31186dan 3 года назад
I got my private in the 22. I had one bad experience and kind of lost my nerve. It is such a thrill to fly, almost as if the craft is an extension of your body. But I can’t stop thinking about the inherent risks. Maybe someday I’ll get back into it or at the very least start flying fixed wing again.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
Thanks for commenting.
@e3dflyer
@e3dflyer 5 лет назад
I recently commented on the dangers of the Robinson Rotor head! I also want to say that low rotor rpm coupled with a cyclic input could also cause a fuselage strike (main blade cutting into the body). So, always recover rotor rpm BEFORE any cyclic inputs. And if your flying along and the helicopter suddenly rotates to the right even if there is NO PERCEIVED low G condition, pull cyclic slightly aft to be sure the disk is loaded then apply the correction (left cyclic). To mitigate the issues surrounding the rotor head, Robinson is going to have to get rid of the offset hinge by locking it in place with a 3-5 degree pre-cone angle.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
Thanks for commenting!
@llwellyn1
@llwellyn1 8 лет назад
I loved the Enstrom for the 1st moment I flew it. It seemed so stable and significantly increased my confidence during all manuvers. As well, I favor that stout, fully articulated and high inertia rotor system. I've also flown the R22 and R44. Given the additional room and speed of the R44, as well as the new avionics / SAS availability , I'd have to go with the Robbie.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 лет назад
+Touleau Tourrain Yep they are all great aircraft!
@JoshuaHambyOfficial
@JoshuaHambyOfficial 7 лет назад
forgot to mention the R44 can't get ground resonance. Sorry, Robinson guy. Great video.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Actually Joshua The Enstrom does not suffer ground resonance. It has happened when Enstrom tried an elastomeric damper. I know first hand it happened to me. That new damper was taken out of service the same day with an emergency AD. That was over 10 years ago. So Enstrom does not suffer ground resonance with current hydraulic damper.
@JoshuaHambyOfficial
@JoshuaHambyOfficial 7 лет назад
Helicopter Online Ground School yea. I'm not very knowledgeable about the Enstrom. I've never flown one. I was just saying to go with comparison, you mentioned mast bumping on a semi rigid rotor system, but the trade would be not susceptible to ground resonance like the general fully articulated systems. Good to hear about the AD tho for the Enstrom.
@paulg.5511
@paulg.5511 2 года назад
Bell Jetranger 206 B 3.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@chipforster4332
@chipforster4332 2 года назад
Enstrom hands down.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for commenting!
@user-wh6sz9th2s
@user-wh6sz9th2s 9 месяцев назад
technically Robinsons rotor systems are not semirigid, because they have three hinges. One is central an the outer two are to avoid the bending within the blade(root). But still it behaves like s typical see-saw rotor.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for commenting
@peterrowcliffe747
@peterrowcliffe747 2 года назад
Enstrom every time no second choice Enstrom is the best and safest and very stable, Peter from the UK
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for commenting.
@Scott.Farkus
@Scott.Farkus 5 лет назад
I want the R44 with a fully articulated rotor system, or the Enstrom with 4 seats.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
You are in luck. Enstrom makes a 5 seater. The 480. Grab a free pdf of an Amazon #1 best selling book, coauthored by the 2018 flight instructor of the year! Here is a link www.helicopterground.com/pl/38587
@Shad0wC0mpany2
@Shad0wC0mpany2 4 года назад
👍🏻
@txtallywhacker
@txtallywhacker 6 лет назад
I wouldn't choose either to own. I hope I never have to fly a recip again. In an emergency I would choose r44 every time, let the rotor settle down to about 96 % @ about 68 KIAS, those machines will auto like butter on a hot biscuit
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@Big.Ron1
@Big.Ron1 2 года назад
I am buying a 505. It is going tp be my training aircraft to get my ad-on, instrument rating and commercial. Then it will be my personal bird. My work bird is going to be a IFR 407. I am a A&P IA, and fixed wing PPL.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@stealhty1
@stealhty1 4 года назад
Enstron is smoother relatively easier to learn but I will go with the R-44
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@jimydoolittle3129
@jimydoolittle3129 Месяц назад
Enstrom 🚁 forever 💪
@philmoredennie526
@philmoredennie526 7 лет назад
of the two helicopters love the enstrom..but would have to pick the Robinson based on the economics. favorite helicopters are the Gazelle and MD 500.
@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet
@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet 5 лет назад
You should run out the economics over 5 years of ownership with moderate to heavy use, after about two years maintenence cost makes them dead even. and after 5 the Enstrom is significantly less expensive.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thank you!
@evanleebodies
@evanleebodies 3 года назад
Where are the pitch links on the Enstrom? It appears to have just a mainshaft without any external components.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
The pitch link aer at the root of the blade as normal. The control rods are inside that main shaft.
@Booboobear-eo4es
@Booboobear-eo4es Год назад
An Enstrom helicopter crashed in Erie, Colorado killing the instructor and a student. A rotor spline fractured causing a main rotor blade to separate. The Robinson has had some safety issues with mast bumping. MD/Hughes and Bells never had those problems. So, I think I would avoid both the Enstrom and Robinson.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Год назад
Thanks for commenting
@subculture-records
@subculture-records 7 лет назад
Enstrom Shark 280.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Great aircraft!
@douglashoff95
@douglashoff95 8 месяцев назад
I'd pick the Enstrom over the Robinson. The Robinsons have that awful T-bar cyclic which I never liked. I have a distinct preference for the fully articulated rotor system.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@lg8188
@lg8188 8 лет назад
Hi I am seeking advise due to your videos are very informative. I wanted to know before I commit to spending all my savings on becoming a commercial helicopter pilot if there is an informal weight limit for anyone seeking their first job? I currently weigh 230lbs but can get down to 220. Im 6.3 so that is about my lightest I can get. Is it still too much a prospective employer?
@nathantubbs9220
@nathantubbs9220 6 лет назад
190-200 lbs is were you need to be.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Did you get started on the dream?
@agujaracing2950
@agujaracing2950 3 года назад
Enstrom 😍🔥
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
Awesome!
@chriscunningham6362
@chriscunningham6362 6 лет назад
Just for my own fun, I would pick the Enstrom. I've never been a fan of the Robinson, especially the R-22. There's just not enough inertia in the rotors for me. I also like the fully articulated rotor head on the Enstrom plus I just like the way it looks with a nice bright swoosh down the length of the bird.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@cantshutmedwn
@cantshutmedwn 8 лет назад
I'm a new instructor....I've flown both 22 and 44 and I'm now about to start on an enstrom...any advice?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 лет назад
+cantshutmedwn You will love the Enstrom! It will be an easy transition for you from Robinson to Enstrom!
@gnagyusa
@gnagyusa 6 лет назад
I also started in Robinsons and switched to Enstroms. I'll never go back. You'll love it! Pretty much everything is easier in the Enstrom. It's more stable. You can trim the cyclic and let go of it for a few seconds. Don't ever try that in a Robinson!
@richardaitkenhead
@richardaitkenhead 4 года назад
I'm looking at an f28c or an r22 for a first helicopter any thoughts or advice,
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
#241 Which Helicopter is best for Flight Training? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VdiFJ_mfXPM.html
@Novadean1
@Novadean1 7 лет назад
Enstrom no question !
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
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@stealhty1
@stealhty1 6 лет назад
Thats what I though,,however I stay with R-44
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Thanks for watching, are you a helicopter pilot?
@stealhty1
@stealhty1 4 года назад
@@HelicopterGround Fixed wing but have some Rotary time too
@ottoroth9377
@ottoroth9377 2 года назад
Well...I am a big guy, so I would select the Enstrom because more props means better lift! I also do not like the Cyclic in the Robbie! Enstrom would be my choice!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@chopjockey
@chopjockey 6 лет назад
Enstrom
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@AltonRowell-gb1lb
@AltonRowell-gb1lb 6 лет назад
Yes I do like helocopters. But for sure they are a diferent kind of animal. A airplanes progression into flight makes it seem more safe. But a helocopter is ready just setting where it is. PREPARATION and start up complete, it is hungry to go. I see it's something new to get use to Like with airplanes I learned where the safest area of practice and methods and techniques applied . All equipment has the potential to kill or cause injury.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Thank you for the feedback!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@sanfranciscobay
@sanfranciscobay 6 лет назад
What determines the amount of blades on the main rotor?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@ericdixon2898
@ericdixon2898 6 лет назад
You're going to pay more with more blades. Also, more blades equal more performance but less practicality. Maintenance isn't cheap.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@ictpilot
@ictpilot 3 года назад
Get both, end of argument. 😁
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
Thanks.
@Jerry10939
@Jerry10939 5 лет назад
I'll take the Bell 47. It's what I learned on and a good rugged reliable helicopter. high initia rotors. It could carry three in it. Plus it just looks cool.. I'm sorry but I don't trust the safety of the R22/44 and I hate the cyclic in them. but if I would choose between these 2 the Enstrom.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
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@tomking2030
@tomking2030 3 года назад
Cool video I can't afford either, and I'm just watching this waiting for my wife to finish cooking hot dogs and chili
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
Thanks.
@rashmiranjannayak3251
@rashmiranjannayak3251 4 года назад
Major difference should be discussed under power and efficiency.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
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@MGT-sv9qc
@MGT-sv9qc 3 года назад
Robinson helicopters get classed as ugly by some, but I don't mind the appearance. I just don't like that t-bar cyclic grip. For some reason...I'd just prefer a classic cyclic design. But then again, I'm not a pilot and I've never flown, lol. Just a heli enthusiast. The Enstrom looks like it'd be super fun for just a couple of people, and no mast-bumping dangers there. Both are decent helicopters. Just gotta learn to avoid low-g conditions so you don't mast-bump and learn how to avoid ground resonance, depending on your pick.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
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@mw01720
@mw01720 8 лет назад
The R22 is fun as hell but I hate the stick.
@clemenshofbauer1111
@clemenshofbauer1111 6 лет назад
yes sir you are absolutly right the stick ruins it all .....
@chriscunningham6362
@chriscunningham6362 6 лет назад
Everybody hates the Robinson cyclic stick.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thanks for commenting!
@Jerry10939
@Jerry10939 Год назад
Definitely the Enstrom. Not a Robby fan.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Год назад
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@OneHoof
@OneHoof 10 месяцев назад
Enstrom!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@Agislife1960
@Agislife1960 6 лет назад
Appearance wise the Enstrom is a better looking machine, except that main rotor drive shaft sticking up there all by itself with no cyclic controls even visible. If Enstrom would just put a fairing or pylon around it, or maybe shorten the shaft somewhat, it would help the esthetics immensely.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@MGT-sv9qc
@MGT-sv9qc 3 года назад
Question (perhaps this is the wrong place to be asking this). For someone with no military background and who doesn't have 50,000 to casually spend, how would you recommend getting started in helicopter training without breaking the bank?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
The most commonly asked question. There is no cheap alternative. Training in helicopters by the nature of the aircraft is expensive.
@teowkk247
@teowkk247 2 года назад
Enstrom helicopter
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for commenting!
@faridasalih3969
@faridasalih3969 3 года назад
Can we know if we can buy one? If so, how much is the four or six seaters.
@faridasalih3969
@faridasalih3969 3 года назад
I need the one of Robinson's brand.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
Helicopters all have different pricing depending on hours flown and condition, Just like any other vehicle.
@HeliZero
@HeliZero 7 лет назад
Have you had the pleasure to fly the Safari helicopter?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
No I have not!
@Jerry10939
@Jerry10939 Год назад
If I were to to commercial then I would get with a jetranger
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Год назад
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@jaydenbooth5728
@jaydenbooth5728 6 лет назад
R44
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@wernerwiedon1331
@wernerwiedon1331 5 лет назад
Enstrom ! Not with the bicycle Frame !
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
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@terryterry1655
@terryterry1655 2 года назад
Is G2 a good heli?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Yes
@guitarsarelikestupid7200
@guitarsarelikestupid7200 Год назад
Do you know which other countries have a mandatory retirement age for commercial jobs ?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Год назад
Nope
@manaranam
@manaranam 6 лет назад
Whats the price difference
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@dwayneharris3874
@dwayneharris3874 2 года назад
I have never seen an Enstrom in Canada, not on the ground, or in the air.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@marshallallensmith
@marshallallensmith 5 лет назад
Enstrom 480B
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
The 480 is a great aircraft as well!
@marshallallensmith
@marshallallensmith 5 лет назад
Just out of curiosity what do you think of the MD-900/902 Explorer ? My personal top 3 are of course the Enstrom 480B then the Bell-412 and AS350B3 (in no particular order) but the 902 and NOTAR has always fascinated me but I have never had the opportunity to try the platform to see if it has any unfavorable characteristics that may tarnish that fascination. I imagine they make it work but I would be somewhat skeptical of the NOTAR working as well as a conventional tail rotor. Seems that it may suffer some of the same sort of issues as a fenestron. Thanks.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
Can't really say Marshall I have no experience with the MD-900 series aircraft! Thanks for commenting!
@marshallallensmith
@marshallallensmith 5 лет назад
Rgr: Thanks for the replies.
@nipponhouseplayer
@nipponhouseplayer Год назад
Enstrom!🇺🇸
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Год назад
Thank you
@MrTakefootoff
@MrTakefootoff 8 лет назад
SC300
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 лет назад
+Dude Man the 300 is a great aircraft as well!
@MrTakefootoff
@MrTakefootoff 8 лет назад
yes indeed, such a shame it gets terrible support. what do you think of the TH180 coming out, you gonna get one?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 лет назад
The concept sounds good. I am not not real big on flying the first model of anything. I will wait and see how it goes!
@andrewparker500
@andrewparker500 6 лет назад
Enstrom.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Thanks for commenting!
@apuuvah
@apuuvah 5 лет назад
Somebody stick the Enstrom rotor system to Robinson! Anyone?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
Be a little heavy for that!
@chuckwye5226
@chuckwye5226 6 лет назад
Phuck Robinson I’d take that Enstrom any day! Started out in an OLD F28A with no correlator. Then Schweizer 300’s and a Hughes 269. I don’t think you could pay me to fly a Robinson....
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
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@helipilotjoel395
@helipilotjoel395 6 лет назад
I’ve had the opportunity to fly both. Both great helicopters. However i do have an R44 which I love. Check out my first RU-vid video on my channel 👍
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Thanks Joel, will check it out!
@crazyralph6386
@crazyralph6386 Год назад
Seen too many chewed up clutch belts(which is one piece, instead of multiple ones)on those old Enstroms, to ever drive one again. The Robbie’s low inertia toothpick blades are problematic in turbulent conditions and prone to mast bumping. I’ll stick to Bell’s, MD’s or Airbus in light helicopters.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Год назад
Thanks for commenting
@lookingforwookiecopilot
@lookingforwookiecopilot 7 лет назад
I have flown both the Enstrom F280 and R44 I and II, and I like both,...and yeah the Enstrom is definitely Tonka tuff! If I could buy one it would be hands down the R22! I fly just for fun and alone so the 22 is perfect and fun as hell! For training I would also pick the R22 because its cheaper, and lets face it, the R44 is nothing special, just a big R22. Plus now we have the Cadet,...which is just an R22 for fat people!😗
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thank you for the feedback!
@chrisnedbalek2866
@chrisnedbalek2866 3 года назад
It's a free country, and you can disagree and it's okay. But in my opinion, we're all just human, and mechanical devices aren't perfect, and eventually something is going to go wrong. Either I'm going to make a mistake, or there's going to be a mechanical failure, and when that failure or mistake happens, I want to be in an Enstrom.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 года назад
Thanks for commenting.
@ryanm.191
@ryanm.191 7 лет назад
Wow... these comments are tied almost down the middle. People talk about the robs being unreliable and dangerous, while the enstrom is always breaking and ugly... no clear winner down here in the comments..
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thank you!
@jefftipton3688
@jefftipton3688 7 лет назад
hate thah rob. stick
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
It's weird at first, once you get familiar with it, it's no big deal.
@jefftipton3688
@jefftipton3688 7 лет назад
what was the purpose of this stick design anyway.
@jefftipton3688
@jefftipton3688 6 лет назад
not me i chose hughs 300
@chriscunningham6362
@chriscunningham6362 6 лет назад
I imagine to save money. No redundant controls.
@ictpilot
@ictpilot 5 лет назад
@@jefftipton3688 So the stick wasn't in the way of a passenger getting in or out, and a little more room during the flight.
@scottdenard7554
@scottdenard7554 6 лет назад
Maybe something has changed with the 480B but now they have a movable right hand seat and the middle seat has a bench for a total of up to five people( four really to be certain) of course it doesn't look as comfortable as the R-44 also the tank on the Enstrom is now 90 gallons making it range farther and faster than the R-44. Enstrom cabin is close to 6 feet across and R44 is close to 41/2 feet across so yes if you are big Enstrom has more room also Enstrom station ratings (seats) are 350lbs., where as Robinson R-44 is rated at 240lb' So another big factor is the weight of a person flying or traveling with you. Of course COG computations and useful load limits mean bigger the person the less you carry. But with Robinson a person of any size wil throw you out of the running.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Thanks for commenting. Yes the 480 has even more available space and payload versus the F-28 F we used in the filming of this video!
@ictpilot
@ictpilot 5 лет назад
The R44 is not a turbine, not a fair comparison.
@apuuvah
@apuuvah 6 лет назад
Well...you just told us that Enstrom is much safer, so the question is a "no brainer"...since small helicopters aren't exactly know for their safety..and I assume people in general value their health and life very highly. Rotors disengaging from the mast mid flight ain't what I would call fun...since you are DEAD! But I'ma go with Guimbal Cabri until something better comes along...
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
We have not done any work with the Guimbal Cabri yet. We do have members training in them though, and providing great feedback. It is just a matter of time before a member will bring their personally owned one to C65 for training in it. Then we will pump out some videos on it. Thanks for watching and commenting. Grab a free copy of Kenny Keller's book, "Helicopter Check Ride" Here is a link for the free download www.helicopterground.com/pl/1856 it will ask for an email, know that we DO NOT share it.
@scottdenard7554
@scottdenard7554 6 лет назад
I hate to mention this but Mountain One in Colorado had that exact same thing happen in an Enstrom 380B and lost a CFI and student in a flight
@stevendillabough5391
@stevendillabough5391 2 года назад
Well Robinson's are known for falling out of the sky so....easy choice.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for commenting.
@raycollier1975
@raycollier1975 6 лет назад
NONE
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 лет назад
Thanks for your comment
@thats_my_comment
@thats_my_comment 5 лет назад
You didn't even say one word about the engine. Are you kidding...... ????
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
Nope not kidding!
@e3dflyer
@e3dflyer 5 лет назад
The Robinson rotor head was a big mistake! When the teetering hinge mast bumps, it causes the blades to go out of track on the offset hinge! Once displacement occurs on the offset hinge(s) blade(s) will make contact with the fuselage. About the only thing a Robinson is good for is plane old straight and level flying,if that, any horseplay and it's all over. If a diving maneuver need to be executed for collision avoidance there is going to be a problem. Robinson knows the head is a failure, building a new head is pretty much an admission of a faulty design, so they will keep blaming the pilots. Once the FAA grounds all Robinson helicopters, then and only then you will see a new design emerge! WARNING!!! NEVER APPLY ANY ABRUPT CYCLIC INPUTS WHILE OPERATING A ROBINSON HELICOPTER.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 5 лет назад
Thanks for commenting!
@jamesward6503
@jamesward6503 4 года назад
That's what I also thought until you see them Mustering Cattle in Australia ...>>> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Tqqe0IhFyNA.html
@oscarpimentel3315
@oscarpimentel3315 2 года назад
"pilots" and "Mechanichs" understand and prefer one Enstrom and no necessáry to bê an Turbo, do not exist doubt sorry is my opinion .
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 года назад
Thanks for commenting!
@oscarpimentel3315
@oscarpimentel3315 2 года назад
Thank you Very much per response, I ever appreciate yours vídeos, this comments from São Paulo, Brazil
@richardallison5414
@richardallison5414 4 года назад
In very simple terms...... neither!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thanks for the feedback!
@delo1960
@delo1960 6 лет назад
robinson....the beta max of helicopters.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 года назад
Thank you!
@fettersbuiltco
@fettersbuiltco 7 лет назад
Thanks for the comparison. I have owned both the Robinson (R-22) and the Enstrom, both used machines. I just flew and flew my R-22, almost never a problem. But, about every time I flew the Enstrom, I had to come back and dump more money into it. It flew nice, but just seemed all the time something needed fixed. The second most happiest day of my life is when I sold it. Then the new owner wrapped it into some power lines and totaled it. He came out of it OK, which again speaks highly of the machine.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 7 лет назад
Thanks for the input Dennis!
@chriseaves9762
@chriseaves9762 7 лет назад
Hey Dennis, what enstrom did you fly? High time machine, or older? Or did you have those kind of maintenance issues on something fairly new?
@fettersbuiltco
@fettersbuiltco 7 лет назад
Hi Chris. I had the F28B. Yes it was older and many mid-time components, and a few were coming up to times as well. I don't think I would have had as many issues on a newer machine.
@chriseaves9762
@chriseaves9762 7 лет назад
Thanks for the feedback. Thinking of getting an Enstrom and have heard a couple stories like yours. Usually older, high time, or questionable past. Hoping to avoid your experience!
@DraGon-cg6ge
@DraGon-cg6ge 5 лет назад
hi bro
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