Sure, turn an unstable drug baron and sociopath into a heavily armored killer robot with military grade firepower. We stay the course with stupid here at OCP.
Well, what’s your idea of reform? We took Thano’s words on it. We used the unstable drug baron and sociopath to destroy the unstable drug baron and sociopath. As for Robo cop We destroyed the heavily armored and military weapon grade robot to destroy the heavily armor and military weapon grade robot. See, the proof of concept succeeded, if only we can get the first part of this to meet the other. Let them fight
@@silent_stalker3687 In Robocop 1 Clarence was inspired in marxist guerilla fighters in the way he dressed. In R2 Cain could've been molded after the Colombian FARCs. ( socialist druglords) . So OCP would use the brain of a "benevolent leftist" thinking that was a good psychological profile but unbeknownst to them he was secretly the druglord of Detroit.
Robocain was such a great design for an antagonist. So much less human than Robocop despite the two of them basically being the same concept. He’s not shaped like a familiar form - he’s chaotic and asymmetrical - his weapons and machinery are far more obvious. It’s just fantastic.
It honestly fits him to the T. He's such a monstrous psychopath already, then you put him in this metallic titan. And that gives way to one of the most horrifying stop-motion cyborgs, if not _the_ most, of all time.
I still remember this film. Being amazing. Not perfect with effects but still a classic with every character and action scene. Yah you don't see writing and designs like this anymore.
In away, he was actually the opposite in design and concept. Robocop was a machine that utilized human components, but regained a form of humanity, while Cain was a human brain trapped in a machine and lost what little humanity he had in the first place.
yep a year later and T2 would be released, and that changed everything. And then Jurassic Park was the nail on the coffin. We did get some little glimpses here and there like Army of Darkness (1992) skeletons and deadites, Nemesis (1992) robots, Conehead (1993)'s Garthok, and finally Robocop 3 (1993) had probably the last stop motion visual effects in a mainstream live action movie. However at least we get animated movies like Nightmare Before Christmas (1993), James and the Giant Peach (1997), and of course the movies from Laika.
@@city__lights Like all make by a modern Sapiens sapiens due to the end of Glorious time.Now is dark unsecure unsafe distopian pseudoMech era with false eco-friendly way to make the city of Future like New Detroit
the fact that a tv remote control. controls robocops two is just fucking awesome man I love that one no security code to stop robocop two from grabbing it and turning his weapons on himself that is looney tunes in a nut shell
@@walterdayrit675 ngl when I was 4 I saw the uncensored Robocop 1 and watching Murphy get tortured before his death scared me. The rest of the stuff I wasn't afraid of tho.
The vast amount of detail on Cain is unbelievable. I understand that they did it to avoid people making knockoff models, but bloody hell, even the inside of the hands, when he is holding the remote control. I think he is by far the most underrated cyborg. I mean sure, as a cop he is impractical, because he can't drive and would need a lift in a truck. His size is also an issue, when it comes to entering narrow corridors and such (Though he would probably widen them to be fair). Nevertheless, he is a living nightmare; a proper monster, not just a robot. Furthermore, I think he should be more recognised for his onscreen presence.
To be fair, he was built essentially as a walking tank to clear out areas with ludicrous firepower and also to be sort of self sufficient. Meaning, the police force drops Robocop 2 in and he deals with all the baddies (for OCP its basically all the poor people and druggies in Old Detroit).
@@aegonthedragon7303 i believe cain body was actually supposed to be a military protype that the shrink took to make her robocop 2 a bigger badder more dangerous version of muprhy. I cant remember but i think it was in the robocop 2 novel that mentained it but dont quote me on it since its been years since i read it.
@@aegonthedragon7303 | That's honestly an interesting idea. And even if his size were impractical, he's still insanely agile. He can scale an elevator shaft in seconds, and can do a perfect somersault and land perfectly on his steel, talon-tipped feet.
Underrated and well-thought out comment. You pretty much nailed everything I think about Cain (the cyborg) as an antagonist. I was a little bit freaked out by him as a kid watching this, and that is an impressive achievement considering he is a stop-frame model.
My best video game is called DOOM3 why is my best game? Because like this movie they know how to mix scary with action. This robocain is always with scary scenes, when Robocop went into the elevator and the shade coming, then has soon sow Robocop start his chaining and not only that he step by step and get next to him, that was so scary. Only terminator 1 is the only scary from all terminators movies. Some predator movies has the same thing scary with action mixed.
@@larryb5481 The T-1000 from the first Terminator and Robocain still scare me after all these years. Purely unstoppable death machines from another time in the history of cinema, where such characters could instill fear on the audience.
"It's not even armed, it's harmless!" Rule 1 of tempting fate: never tempt fate. Rule 2 of tempting fate: should you find yourself about to tempt fate, consult Rule 1.
its not even tempting fate. its just asking for it. Put the consciousness of a addict criminal into a killing machine that could climb elevator shafts and has enough fire power to level an entire block is just asking for it.
newyorker14622 i dunno man. When robocain falls with the elevator, the lighting is so perfect with stop motion. No cgi professionals can ever make that scene look so surreal.
Artie the Swolest Man in the World - I see where you're coming from, but I work in CG (I recently finished Detective Pikachu, hope you like it!) but today's industry would never be able to produce something as gritty as RoboCain, there are too many artists, too many investors.... which prevents this type of *"gritty"* movie making. IMO, the only thing that comes close to Robocop 1&2 is District 9...
Late 80s stop motion was just sooo ubercool. I really wish they could bring back this kind of stuff. Honestly, I think there's a certain creep factor that even today's best CGI efforts cannot match.
I think the "creep factor"-- that unnatural herky jerky look that really is kind of disturbing to look at is caused by the fact that with stop motion animation, there is never any motion blur captured by the film, because all the actual movement happens between frames. It doesn't look natural but it definitely looks creepy. You'll see a similar looking affect in a lot of modern horror movies where they'll just remove a couple of frames so everything lurches and jumps.
By far the best villain / character in history! Never before has anyone seen a drug-addicted cyborg with unlimited ammo, and a flat screen television for a head & face. Great upload!
I definitely like this version better than Frank Miller's. Still, he was the original inventor behind the idea of this Mechanical Nightmare! And to have it at the end of this film was a top notch decision!
As an almost 40 year old man, I'm glad that feeling as scared shitless as I did, and having nightmares after watching this movie as a child are still very much valid emotions to this day.
Same here brother, Terminator and T2, Alien, and Robocop had such an impression on me as a kid, and all of them to this day haven't lost their effect. Robocain is STILL a damn frightening monster much more than even most "horror" movies today.
dont take my word for it but i read somewhere tat the original design was meant to have wheels or tank tracks but they realized that it was a bad idea and change it to have legs instead...
You know, the whole creation of RoboCain is a very good concept. It has multiple arms which allows it to deal with multiple minor tasks at once, has essentially a laser cutter making it very reliable for obvious reasons, an extendable arm to tag objects or enemies at a distance, a heavy shoulder-mounted blaster, is equipped with four lights which are spread out along its body which covers more surface area, and has a goddamn machine gun attached to its arm. And to top it all off, it has insane mobility, able to reach up to speeds of what seems to be 20-30 mph when traversing upwards. Other than the easy opening of the hatch in the back where Alex defeated Cain, I honestly think that this design is the successor to the original Robocop we saw in the first movie. The only reason Alex was able to beat Cain was the fact that the model of Robocop 2 was piloted by Cain who is just some drug addict and Robocop 1 was Alex Murphy, who mind you was one of the best cops in the city. And another thing to add is how RETARDED OVERPOWERED the shell of Robocop 2 is. Cain is able to take multiple shots from a Cobra Assault Cannon, you know, the thing that goes BOOM and there's no more anything as well as can fall hundreds of feet into the ground and get up moments later kicking ass like it didn't even happen. Oh! and did I forget to mention how many bullets it can take... Jesus Christ. It can even take on an armored vehicle head on and not even suffer any visible damage. If Robocop 2 was piloted by an actual tactical genius or just someone who was as cleaver as Alex Murphy, then it could've easily defeated Robocop, hands down. This is an incredibly versatile and amazingly constructed piece of machinery.
Hell, no secondary contingency remote to detonate the chest nuke? No 'fake' drug that's filled with an intense neurotoxin to melt his brain, hell to not even build that in? Man. OCP really do take pride in watching their death machines wreak havoc against countless innocents and somehow everybody isn't tired of their shit. "C'mon, that's the 7th model this week to kill over thirty people and it's only Wednesday! There goes my afternoon filing this down as a complete total accident."
And there's one minor detail regarding its mobility: it can walk up (and presumably down) stairs! And roll (read as "tumble") down them as well, in case it is knocked down a flight of stairs! That alone puts it miles above ED-209, who takes one look at uneven flooring and hesitates. Robocop 2 is a badass, though I'm left to wonder how he'd do for public relations, even if they simply put Murphy's brain in the jar and not some rando druglord cult leader.
The hydraulic extendo-arm is also a very useful battering ram for breaching hardened buildings from unexpected directions. Robo-Cain's main weakness, aside from being a mentally-unstable and chemically-dependent thug, is the sheer excess of his design. He's huge, terrifying, incredibly heavy, and basically just a tank with legs. His mobility is shocking for his sheer size, but that almost makes him less useful in many tactical situations. On the other hand, OCP demonstrates with ED-209 that sheer armor-plated excess is their entire M.O. anyway.
The thing is this robot always scared me a bit because of his speed....I mean the parts when you see it "rushing" in the warehouse or in the lift are terrifying.
I watched this when I was 5-6 years old. I still remember the time I watched, everything looked so real lol and scared at night. My dad recorded the movie on a VCR and I would watch it a few times a week back then lol.
Like ED-209 before it this was a horror. And cheers to the sound department. Listen to those gears and servos, and the hydraulics powering them. That really sells it. Robocop 2 had its issues, not the least of which was a mishmash of styles caused by multiple directors. But in the end they made a decent movie.
One of the best movie fights ever, and also one of the best villains. I saw this as a kid and rebuilt Robocain out of Lego technic, complete with minigun, retractable secondary arms and a slot in the chest for the drug cylinder. It was my favorite toy for years! Even today, when struggling to fix some problem, stupid IKEA furniture or whatever, I sometimes recite RoboCops "You're coming with me, Cain!" It usually works afterwards.
7:49. I find it facinating that in spite of his brain and spinal cord having been fully removed, RoboCain (while experiancing unimaginable pain) was somehow still linked to his mechanical body.
well someone said that it's like this: once you remove a computer's main proscessor or something it has like 8 seconds of function time before it shuts down, so to an extent he literally saw his own death.
Say what you will about the plot, but just on a technical level, I feel this film is a masterpiece. its a technical masterclass in editing, sound editing, stunt work, production design, costuming, etc. Any one of these elements from Robocop 2 could and should be used in film schools to show how to edit film or sound. There is something about stop motion that to this day still haunts me.
There's a lot of stuff wrong with this film, not only the plot, but I still loved it when it came out. Robocain stop motion and design was the best, shame that they messed up the rest.
everybody talks about the stop motion, but can we please take a moment and appreciate how much fun the sound designers had with this? :-D "how many servo squeaks, clangs and boings do you want?" "yes" they had so much fun with this, it borders on comedy (which, considering how the robocop series loved to flirt with absurdity, was certainly by design). its as if you crossed pacific rim with a bugs bunny cartoon. i absolutely love it :)
Man I always adored the contrast between our Robocop and that drugged up mecha horror. Unlike Robocop who mostly moved like a very stiff human that thing was a machine through and through and was animated as such. It was awesome and really heavily shaped the stuff I consider "cool" these days.
This might be the best example of Stop Motion in all of Cinema I believe. The movement actually looks seamless. But there is an odd sinister quality about the way the robot moves. Its hard to put into words. But this movie still has one of the most baffling plot points of any movie I have seen. They make the worlds most dangerous weapon on legs and give it the brain of the worlds deadliest criminal, and wonder why it goes on a rampage......
At least ocp was thoughtful enough to put in a nuke intake port on Cane. They can’t have the future of urban pacification dealing with withdrawal symptoms in public
@@aaronbulriss2150 | Just a shame that the Old Man didn't seem to know what exactly his "Robocop 2" was. Him pulling out a bottle of Nuke was pretty much the monkey wrench that ensured his resulting rampage.
Theres a definite sense of weight and physicality in these puppets that is just so hard to replicate in CGI, I think practical effects like these might well make a comeback in some form.
some people say frame by frame animation and matte paintings are a thing of the past, but gosh do i love the esthetic of the movies from that era, even old hammer's film matte painting have become an absolute treat these days. a blatant case of worst is better in my opinion.
Oh hell yes. The greatest stop motion creature ever, the last great stop motion creature ever, and probably the most badass movie robot ever. That shot with the semi rolling up and the cyborg's feet stepping out is pure genius. You see something like this as a 12-year-old kid and you don't forget it. In fact, the Cain cyborg is so great, I always remember Robocop 2 as being a great movie, when in fact it's mediocre at best and far inferior to the original. Stop motion is such an interesting thing. I would argue that stop motion is at least as phony-looking as CGI, but there is a very particular unnatural feel to it that CGI lacks and that perfectly complements the menacing feel of a creature like the Cain cyborg, who is already frightening enough to begin with. It's something about how stop motion creatures obviously are physically real (unlike with CGI) yet move in a disjointed, surreal manner that is the stuff of nightmares.
I find that nightmare notion interesting. Maybe dreams work very differently from our usual perception. Maybe dreams don't come animated at all. Maybe they are all a sequence of still shots.
I've always been so fascinated with robocain's design ever since I was a kid. So much detail. Purely robotic but you can still see the human element come out in a lot of scenes. Like 0:21. After coming off the truck he wiggles his toes. 1:01 he stretching his arms like he's bored. Cain knows exactly what he's become and fully accepts it. I love it.. Also I gotta give a shoutout to murphy. You get to see a good show of his strength during 4:32. The fact that he was able to add his weight and pull cain down like that shows that robocop 1 is a lot stronger than you think and like would like to mention the scene at 5:11 with Cain using his plasma torch to cut murphy's helmet. Not only does he pull it away from his head but redirect to the fuel line. Love this movie
The movements of this machine and the sounds he makes when he moves are ABSOLUTELY fucking terrifying The noises he makes whenever he interacts with the world sound like a goddamn cartoon and I love it
CGI can look better but it depends on how much money they put into it, nowadays it's rushed so it looks bad, just look at Disney stuff they pump out movies like crazy and Tje CGI doesn't look any better than it was 20 years ago
This is probably the peak of stop motion of animation in a live action film. The shots at 3:37 and 4:02 are about as seamless as you can get with the medium.
The leap at 7:08... can't tell where the human stuntman jump ends and the stop motion murph on cain's back starts. Such a perfect executed effect. Definitely one for the books.
I thought that was comical as it played out in this vid', yet so wrongfully executed. Lol. All i could think of was an atom bomb falling through the sky to cause such a whistle due to the fans it had. Unless, it was RoboCop who whistled in comic relief as they fell. That only makes me think of how glass bottles whistle as you blow air near the mouth piece. Lol.
One of the best examples anywhere of "the villain is the same as the hero, only stronger and evil." I saw this in the theatre as a lad and the warehouse scene has never left me. Cain is among the most terrifying monsters ever done in film. In the world of stop-motion, he's the last miracle.
Robocop 2 is such a great movie, I still love it to this day. I never understood all the hate around it, but sometimes life is like that. Robocain still impresses no matter the outdated fx and just a bit of cgi for his face on display.
Me too! Ray Harryhausen (the grand daddy of stop-motion animation) said "there's a nightmare-ish quality to stop motion animation that is difficult to replicate by any other means". And he was right! ED-209 and RoboCain are still terrifying, and I have fond memories of literally hiding behind my friend's sofa when I first saw RoboCain :D
Strange to think that this era hasn't really been truly surpassed, despite all the advancements in technology. Yes, clearly it looks like stop-frame animation, but there's still a visceral, tangible quality to it which I find CGI struggles to replicate.
Phil Tippet went OFF in this movie! Arguably his best stop motion work. So fluid and prominent! I didn't like this movie a whole lot but damn me if I wasn't hyped for the next effects sequence haha.
Heh, it was the other way around for me. Since Robocop 2 is the older movie, when i saw that velociraptor scene in Jurassic Park, i thought it was such a Robocain moment :P
Wow, stop motion was starting to get really good in the early 90s. They used a lot of after effects like the bullet impacts and the muzzle flashes and damn it works! I wonder where the tech would be if the 🦕 hadn't come along soon after...
Tbh the stop motion give it some uncanny looks to them, really fitting and still as good just like I remembered watching it for the first time when I was a kid back then
I'll buy that for a dollar! RoboCain was a fantastic, yet realistic design. I like that he normally doesn't have a recognizable face. Creepy. His extra limbs are functional, but also terrifying. I really like those serrated spikes on his feet that pop out when he tries rolling Murphy off of him. Given his size, strength, and array of weapons, there's no way he should have lost this fight.
The face on the head mounted CRT was super creepy, and made him feel even more "in a cage" I personally think he'd lose against RoboCop in most situations due to his predictable anger patterns, he could always be goaded into making mistakes / leaving himself open.
@@maxxdahl6062 well murphy kinda new Cain's mind was a weakpoint simply from being an OCP cyborg himself but it is quite apparent that Cain's transformation into a machine was not done with the same care as Murphys. For one. Cain seems to be in constant pain, none of the intelligence he had as a man remains. The memory wipe also seems to have made hos addiction worse as he now needs it to stop the pain and not as a mere high.
@@Makorze Yeah but if that compartment holding his brain were as protected as the rest of his body. There was going to be no way to take him down unless there's some sort of other remote security measures. I mean murphy ripped that compartment open with his hands alone.
All the physicality of stop animation makes it more scary. I think our brains pick up in all the little details like lighting, lensing, puppet construction and it becomes more real in our minds.
RoboCain and Arnold in T1 are two of the scariest villains/cyborgs ever put on film. When he climbs the elevator shaft, or when he ragdolls his ex-lover, a ruthless and violent machine.
yes, I cut out stuff that wasn't stop-frame animated - the video is really just for animators to study, but in retrospect, I wish I had added the TV screen face part for the fans.
@@vespenegas261 Your definition of cute is really interesting. Now that you mention it, Robokain could become a nice pet in the case of having enough nuke supplies. Roll! Sit! Go full gatling with his ass! Lovely!! 🤩😍🤩
Shout out to Phil Tippet who was the lead producer/director of all the stop motion effects/shots. Esp considering how the production of R2 was. "It was a strange puppet to photograph, because there were very few angles that really showed it off well. The head, for example, looked very different depending on whether you were looking at it straight on or from a low angle. Also, we wanted to do more than just bland, robot-type movements. So we tried to give him gestures and poses that would help to create an actual character. But there was so little time -the production schedule was just ridiculous. We found ourselves sometimes working a seventy-two hour day-working with a second unit at night and the first unit during the day" - Phil Tippet
It reminds me of the scene from the first movie where ED-209 is marching towards a weakened Robocop in the first movie. Though here, Robo is able to defend himself.
Outside of full stop motion movies, this is probably some of the best stop motion effects I've ever seen. The only place it looks really rough is the wide shot in the theater where cain is walking up the aisle
0:22 - I love the sound design that they used for Robocain. This sequel may be inferior to the first film, but it definitely has its own highlights. Once RoboCain is set-up, the rest of the film gets good.
Seeing his first shootout is one of the most terrifying things in the movie. As terrifying as a terminator in a resistance camp. He even killed a kid. Something you dont see a monster do in movies much. Ah good times.
I loved the scene where Cain's brain, eyes, and spinal cord were in the jar and the lab tech is asking, "Can he see us?" Just imagine already being as nuts as Cain was to begin with, and then you wake up inside a fucking jar unable to feel anything because your body is just gone. No wonder he went so postal at the first opportunity.
@@MickMcGarnackle yeah it's not exactly a mystery why he needed strong drugs, hell I'm not even sure I'd call him an "addict" at that point, he was in immense pain. The only reason Murphy didn't destroy himself like every other attempt at a cyborg was a combination of his religious beliefs against suicide, immense sense of duty to the police force, and tremendous willpower. Every other attempt they've ever shown has literally spent its entire time on screen screaming in pain and then killed itself.
That we can. His bulky, asymmetrical design obviously invokes a very inhuman feel, highlighting the monster that Cain was as a human, and bringing it out in full force as Robocain.
Oh, hey Keanu. Remember that time we did a bunch of blow at your condo in L.A. and watched Beavis and Butthead all night? Me either. Anyway, wanna do a bunch of blow and watch Beavis and Butthead?
3:02 You know between this and the robot from The Incredibles it's clearly not a wise decision to hold the remote control in front of the obviously intelligent deadly robot.
You honestly made a great observation. The difference is, the Omnidroid was given an A.I. that enabled it to learn. Meanwhile, Robocain is a cyborg with the brain of a madman and an addict. Both are scary as hell, IMO. Size doesn't matter, I wouldn't wanna be in the way of _either_ of those. I don't get why Robocain didn't just shoot Faxx forst before attacking Robocop, though. He obviously hated her guts for withholding him from his Nuke fix.
I was absoelty addicted to the Robocop 1 and 2 for it's stop motion, I could watch it endlessly over and over again. Ray Harryhausen is bang on, there is something about SM that is lost on CGI and it can't/hasn't been replicated.
One of my favorite robots in movies. The design, sound effects, all the intricate parts/detail, and its movements. Criminally (lol considering whose brain is in it) underrated.
nah man...check out the non-PR Boston Dynamics stuff...should the machines decide that tommorow is the day we humans vanish, we will vanish...3-4 weeks tops.
God this is why I adore stop-motion! So much more creative effort than some crappy-ass modern CGI that we still rely on even to this day. Just saying folks. If I ever make my own NC-17 rated cinematic film, TAKE THAT CGI AWAY, GIVE ME MY STOP- MOTION!
I saw this when I was a bit too young to see it. Robocain scared the hell out of me. Had dreams of him bursting through a wall in my room and hearing that chaingun wind up. Great villan.
@@city__lights the monitor in its head was meant to show messages and communicate also, being mute makes him more monster, less human... just look how frustrated he becomes when it tries to talk to angie
I remember this scene terrifying me as a 6 years old; the first time I ever saw in a movie a merciless predator/killer/thing cornering people in a dark room and slaughtering them without any chance of escaping 0:31
