@@minerva646 Andrewo Mennah: "Robert Tanaka you didn't play classical guitar much" Robert Tanaka: "I've been playing nearly every day for 5 years now. I'm classically trained, and my repertoire is rcm grade 10 / diploma level." Minerva "Robert Tanaka get a life" Well, it seems there's no winning in those social network discussions.
what i love about this sequence is it shows tech still under development. Yes, it works. Yes it's safe. And give them another 10-20 years, they'd probably solve the "emotional static" bit too. but for now..it's not QUITE all the way there. it also shows WHY Gary Oldman's character was still willing to go along with the Robocop project as long as he did....he was SO CLOSE to having a completed project, but NEEDED funding to continue to refine it. It's a nice bit of Character development and world building in what SHOULD have been an ongoing franchise.
@@radio7353 ikr, there's a difference between playing what you can read and playing what you feel, its parallel to the difference to players who learn from tabs and people that learn music from the ear.
theres a guitarrist that plays with his FEET, a violin student that plays without an ARM, for sure you don't need hands, but if the robot prothesis gets in contact with music is useless , I rather lost my hands if I had to make music, I would use my feet or other part of my body as long as is organic and natural it will always be better ...
This is a good scene. Whenever theres a movie about high-tech androids or total cyborgs i always wonder how that technology impacts the general public.
I'm kind of hoping they'll be able to regrow human tissue before they develop robotics for transhumanism. I mean, the robotics would help amputees, of course, but it will never be the same as flesh, blood and bone.
Yes I can, corrupt CEOs and politicians would force healthy people to get their hands cut off and change it for such new and even "better" robo-tech instead.
@@alsosprachzarathustra5505 I think that there might be a kind of technological revolution where you're going to have people voluntarily using a cyborg hand or foot for whatever reason. hell there might even be a new better one coming out every year like an iPhone or a Android. however this isn't like buying a phone This is voluntarily losing a limb. That's a big irreversible choice at least with a phone if you don't like You can take it back no harm no foul. I don't think many people will be voluntarily becoming a cyborg.
@@highlander723 If we ever get there, you can bet there will be people looking for his/her 15 minutes of fame by chosing to lose a perfectly functional limb.
I'd love to see the much more fucked up version of this, where a person who is once more able to walk becomes so happy at the thought of walking again that their legs keep malfunctioning and causing them to fall over. "Awwwww, you can't be too happy or the legs don't work."
There is a whole other story there. I think it might be different because walking/running is a more mechanical act than playing music. At some point the guy with the legs would just automatically walk without really thinking about it. But something like music requires a different mindset. Unless the walking guy never had legs to begin with.
Walking is a reflex action. While playing guitar, is NOT. Reflex actions are controlled by the spinal cord, whereas plating guitar is controlled by our brain. BIG difference.
Running releases endorphines which would change brain chemistry. Also a person might enjoy the act of running. Also, also a person would be elated at having gone from a wheelchair to running around on two legs again, all of which would change brain chemistry.
Yeah wrong universe but you are pretty close. The one you are looking for is 3 blocks to your right. Just remember if you see one with nanomachines you have to go 2 blocks back
The thing that's most unrealistic about this scene is not how he could play guitar with prosthetics, but how sad and hesitant he is at trying them out on the guitar, and not outright excited and stoked about it. It's like he doesn't really want to play.. If I lost both my hands to whatever, and one day I was offered the ability to potentially play guitar again, I'd be counting the days, and literally say "Lets fucking do this".. And even if it's not 100% right the first time, because "eMotTion inTerFere's wiTh the SysTem", I'd still be super happy, because "That's more notes then I could play before getting these "Hands" ", and they will have my undying support and backing to improve upon this... And no, don't tell me "it's an emotional scene". The guy was being all "I've never played with these before".. "I need emotion to play", being all sad and depressed and disappointed.. Why?? Fine you want emotion? I'll come up with something better Guy tries out his "hands", moving them around, remembering how it felt before. He asks the Scientist "I'd like to try playing the guitar" Starts playing the guitar, its a bit stiff at first, but gradually get's better, feeling a lot more natural.. He can't believe his eyes, he's actually playing! And then, the pure emotion of having the ability to play this instrument again overwhelms him, interfering with the prosthetics, glitching them out and he starts to play bad notes. The scientist worriedly says "It's a work in progress, emotion interferes with the chemicals -" "-I can play the guitar again." Says the guy. "Doc! I can play the guitar again".. With tears on his face.. But not sad depressing tears, but happy tears. "Ah, well good! That's.. uh.. Good!" Stumbles the scientist. Or something to that effect. BUt noooo.. It's has to be sad and depressing to show the audience the theme of "Machines no want emotion"
Not being able to feel what you touch would make this entirely impossible. I'm pretty sure these fictional prosthetics are meant to let you feel as well.
There must be some kind of feedback that the prosthetic supplies, so he knows how strongly he's pressing the strings, or which strings for that matter.
@@dethkruzer It looks very similar to the DARPA modular prosthetic limb, but with quicker reaction times and dexterity. This would allow you to play guitar in theory.
Actually, a classical musician can't get TOO emotional. The music is so technical that you have to think about how conveying emotions, rather than feeling them. The moment you get too carried away, you fuck up. So this is not such a bad thing.
This technology is already existing. it's just not widely known and the finger movements are not as advanced. So an amputee with special hobbies needs particular robotic limbs for every activity. It's when one limb becomes universal is where it's at. Also, some of the scenes in this movie could easily be part of the terminator universe if judgment day never happened.
it's actually widely known but bit complicated and expensive I believe. Google claim than one bionic hand cost 8-70 000 $ and we tal about myoelectric so it's 25-100+ k $. Per one hand. But you cna have emotions AND functional limbs.
A friend's wife is an amputee and has a robotic arm. I mean Im sorry for her for what happened, but its pretty cool she has that, and even the insurance took care of it. Unfortunately most of them comes with a preprogrammed amount of movements. Theres only a handful you can do with them, so far, as opposed to normal limbs. And they have to be removed to be charged since they are still battery operated. But Ive always wanted to know the science as to hownthe brain still makes them function with the few tendons you have left to operate them
Francois Smit You dont understand the situation he is in. Not everything you get as a replacement will be likeable at the start, just needs getting used to it. Plus, he’s a musician. We rely on emotion and feeling to play. Theres a scene like this in another film, and the situation is similar..
@@AbsoluteAbsurd i do understand that he is an ungreatful person. Take those hands away for him and givr him nothing. You will see him coming back begging for them.
@@radio7353 wow, 2 comments after each other. triggered much? How butt hurt are you that you after still comment on something that I said 2 weeks ago and my comment which was a year ago. I even forgot about this, but it seems you so butthurt that you couldn't get it out of your mind. You have the emotional IQ of a 12 year old girl and this proves it. Thank you for winning me the argument.
@@AbsoluteAbsurd he's human. Every human needs emotions. Francois is simply judgmental prick who talks much about gratefulness but never noticed: 1. How big gift emotions he feels every day are 2. That gratefulness is fucking emotion too.
Some people say "oh they revived Murphy so he would keep working" well, if the idea had been just to revive him he would have been sitting right there with the amputees trying to get used to robotic limbs and life still wouldn't have been the same it was before the incident, the same way it wasn't when he became Robocop. Difference is, at least being Robocop allowed him to get revenge on those who killed him and ruined his family.
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I bet she was just sick of him playing and that's why the "accident" happened
We are very close my friend. We are not close however to this technology being available to those who need it. The best prosthetic in the world is currently valued at 120 million dollars. The prosthetic pictured here is a much more advanced version of this prosthetic, and there is no way it would be covered by an insurance plan.
We are very close my friend. We are not close however to this technology being available to those who need it. The best prosthetic in the world is currently valued at 120 million dollars. The prosthetic pictured here is a much more advanced version of this prosthetic, and there is no way it would be covered by an insurance plan.
Something that I don't understand is how they manage to make the prosthetic work relate it to its energy source. Does it use batteries or something like that?
@@daniilzhukov2952 He feels them, and the arm as well. Advanced touch sensors, connected to his nervous system. And touch sensors, at least basic ones, are a simple commonly available thing today and have been at least since the great smartphone invasion. ;)
Imagine having robot hands and arms that are capable of the things in this film I’d orogram them to know how to do amazing things like know all the songs on all instrument s
Adam B He is talking about prosthetics that can connect to the nervous system. It actually exists. But not to the level in this film. But we are indeed very close
4:34 PM 6/7/2023 I havent seen this movie. When I wake up in the ward I wanted to know how long have I been asleep or unconscious. Yeah I would have freaked out too if Im in China.
So Ella Lopez was helping James Gordon outfit Rick Flag with cool armor only to be manipulated by the Vulture and be heavily bitched at by Nick Fury. AMAZING!
I actually call foul on this. (Unless those fingers have sensory capabilities.) If it was a piano, sure, you can see where your fingers are at all times. But a guitar?! It's played mostly by feel! 1:21 While obviously foreshadowing, music is supposed to have emotion in it! If your heat's not in it, the music won't sound right! "Music should be the voice of the soul." - Grasshopper (James and The Giant Peach.)
the whole idea that what make you, you, is JUST your brain is NONSENSE. we are who we are because of our whole being. lose part of it, and it effects the brain just as much as the he nerve endings you lost. if we were truly just ours brains, losing a hand would be like putting down a video game controller- the brain wouldn’t be fooled by its own sense of proprioception into thinking that the limb is still there (like one gets with phantom limb syndrome) or quadriplegics wouldn’t often feel emotionally numb as they do physically… our brains are as much a plaything of our bodies as they are in control of our actions. …as odd as that may sound.
The meter was reading Dopamine, which is the chemical in your brain that's connected to joy, excitement, and espescially that feeling you get when you complete something stressful or difficult. With these robo-limbs there's literally a limit on how happy you can be with them.
We definitely need to find some way to regenerate damaged tissue kind of like um like if we were to create a healing Factor similar to Wolverines from X-Men like if you blow off his hand it would show the Regeneration afterwards because of that healing Factor and we are getting close so it is far we are not giving up on it
Haven't they been doing experiments regarding that? Like growing ears on the bodies of mice? But I don't think the tech to regrow entire limbs will exist for another fifty or so years.
problem is that it would require really advanced stuff as each cell has limits to how many times it can replicate (with some exceptions like cancer cells).
@@noises4978 if your thinking of what kind of music to make and barely starting off then yeah but if someone has a raw gift for music and songs then they can make music just by playing a tune then it doesn't come from the brain it comes from the heart and soul
For someone who's into music, you sure don't know know much about muscle memory either, especially the fact that it isn't actually stored within muscle
Torch GamingYT No, the robotic hands are individuals with their own free will and just decide to help their user... JK, they are controlled by magic... Seriously, what do you think?
to be fair to Oldman's character..these are still largely experimental cybernetics...later generations would likely have the right hardware/software to compensate for the whole "emotional disruption" factor.
