ROCK LEE ISN'T THAT FAST!! (HEATED BACK & FORTH) 

Loooooooool

Nah you got it. 😂

John is probably the sorriest arguer

@@vanity1602 John doesn’t argue. He makes a broad statement and you argue with yourself 😂

JOHN TO A T

This might be the first time I agree with Mark scaling Naruto 💀

lmao ikr, I couldn't believe my ears

No I think in this instance you guys are going off that kid fight and completely forget what was stated about chunin exam gaara. Gaara was literally stated to complete A rank missions by himself, he also killed plenty of jonin sent to assassinate him.

​@@belowaveragegamer95the A rank missions part is cap. and the jounin sent after him were no named fodder.

you're right and that's their main point too lol. they're basically saying OG naruto is travelling at 98mph and shippuden guys are travelling at 100mph. hell nah it's that close.

Kid Rock Lee in top of that 😭

Dats some bull shit

I think he is, speed can come in many terms and I feel like in terms of reaction speed pain is faster and rock lee just generally moves faster. In the fight with gaara he breaks the sound barrier many times, putting him at a speed of sound or maybe even a little faster. I don’t really see the speed of pain through movement, but more so reaction.

Lee isn't anywhere close to Pain's speed, even with the gates it doesn't matter. A 30% Kisame clone was easily keeping up with 6th gate guy, meanwhile a non-clone Kisame got absolutely bodied by Naruto right after he got KCM. Since Pain kept up with around at least half of this same nine tails power (6 tails) there's no way you could say he's slower than 30% of Kisame. Meaning he is, at the very least, on par with 6th gate guy in speed. Part 1 Naruto and sasuke were faster than lee at final valley fight, and they ain't no where as close to freaking pain who was boxing with 6 tails kurama, 1 tail kid naruto was maxing sasuke thats faster than lee Sasuke had to use curse mark 2 (a 10x multiplier from base) to keep up with him so its not EVEN CLOSE@@nahh2878

@@nahh2878 breaking the sound barrier is not that difficult for ninjas. Lee was doing it because he was faster than people HIS age. And gara not being used to actual combat cs he relied so much on shukaku. Saying he’s faster than pain because of that fight with gara would mean he’s literally faster than everyone in the show except guy or chakra mode Naruto/minato or the raikage💀💀💀. As a child😭 which we all know isn’t the case

final valley says otherwise , they even sent out kids to retrieve sasuke

@@IIIISaithey sent kids to fight other kids while save saving a kid lol

@@IIIISai no they sent kids because after konoha crush they didn't have the manpower necessary to send multiple jonin on the same mission and Tsunade wanted to stay ready in case another village saw this as the perfect time to attack the leaf

@@salter149 Good point but they still coulda brought jiraya or kakashi , tsunade wouldn't hold kakashi in cuz its personal , remember sound 4 killed 2 jonin, and only god knew if orochimaru was in tje forest waiting for sasuke, they just lucky everything almost worked out

@@IIIISai Well Kakashi was unfortunately already on a high rank mission that's why he shows up late and Jiraiya was probably traveling lol Sasuke pretty much picked the best possible time to leave the village

Neji isn’t beating gaara though so that doesn’t really make a point

@@justingriffin2371 ...the relevance is their mutual speed. Weightless Lee wasn't impressive to Neji, he only got shocked after he used the gates And he was outright blitzed by all jonin present making the conversation about their speed compared to Lee's weird

@@justingriffin2371 nah, neji 128 palms is beating gaara with his armor... im pretty sure after seeing gaaras fight with lee he would not use the lower 64 palms one, hell skip to 128...

@@ritzroldennalpajora4742 that’s not getting passed gaara. Neji struggled against a sound 4 ninja during that sasuke retrieval arc so you telling me that sound 4 ninja is pushing gaara that far?

@@MegaShinobi2011 just because neji wasn’t impressed doesn’t mean really anything seeing as neji is kind of arrogant and thinks he’s the strongest and was called a genius. An I don’t think it shocked him when they stepped in I think it was more so he stopped cause those are literally all the teachers surrounding him.

Facts also pain has rinnegan if pain almost beat Naruto in his nine tails form then he can beat lee. Only reason Naruto escaped that shibaku tensei is because he was turning into the full nine tails, then right as he escaped his father came back and sealed the nine tails again. After that pain was done he used his best attack and Naruto got free

even orochimaru blitzes him

@@pennytrui1149 No one is talking about a fight. wtf are we doing

6th gate war arc lee does clap though, able to intercept truth seeking orbs before 8th gate guy makes contact with them

Yeah, he did that with the help of minato and his flying Raijin weapon thing 💀@@SUPREME_NARUTARD

didn’t he choose the mambas over the silverback gorilla

​@@eliasjones540He was right with that though 😂

​@@metalnitro99no he wasn't 😂

@@MattPhannyPack He was. A single Silver Back Gorilla in such a big area is too traceable and you have to do too many things wrong to die. Black Mambas, you have to only do one or two things wrong and there’s 5 of them and you don’t know where they are

@@eliasjones540 He chose Silverback Gorilla to be in a mall with

In what world is the average jonin keeping up with Itachi

And if they wanted to argue that 'reaction time' is the reason why Itachi easily caught Sasuke then the argument that can be brought us that 1 tail cloak Naruto was faster than Sasuke 😂😂. And they expect Pain and Lee to be close when: Part 1 Sasuke and Lee < 1 tail cloak Naruto while Pain = 6 Tails Cloak Naruto

@@Halo-lg7rqpain is faster then itachi

@@dare2333Is pain the average jonin??

But Sasuke wasn't using Lee's speed in that moment! In fact Sasuke NEVER used Lee's speed ever again after the Gaara fight. Name me any fight Sasuke was in where he was moving at the sound barrier against an opponent in Shipuuden. Using his Rinnegan to switch places doesn't count.

Just bad writing

That's what needs to be studied lmao. How do you set up a great character just to fumble him so badly ? 💀 @@xMr.Agenda

Rock Lee fans enter the chat yess u are soo right he had potential to be the best character

@@BadTakeRisanrock lee knew if he opened all his gates it would end badly him being injured for so long makes sense and the fact he isn’t strong now also makes sense cause he was injured for so long

He didn’t “fall off” he just isn’t that guy bro

Naw he’s not faster then pain probably jiraiya

​@@slumpjuice3423nah not jiraiya tf

So if Dylan thinks that Rock Lee is faster then pain, I’m guessing Rock Lee is also faster then Minato 😂

​@@chrisramos3454what speed feats does jiriya have?

@@freddysmith227 bruh what speed feat do lee got that make him even close to as quick as Pain??? Sage Jiraiya was equal if not at least comparable. Nobody in their right mind would say Guy without gates is faster than Jiraiya so why u tryin to say Lee is? Tf??? I would argue even 7th gate guy might not be faster since he went up to that gate to fight Kisame and Kisame aint no Pain. Now why use Sage Jiraiya? Simple Sage mode aint as big of an amp as Gates

Shoundnt even be a thought

It was worse from John, he was deadass

He said that all jonin are not as fast as him, they said all jonin are, he brings up kurenai, they say oh you can't bring her. Why not? She is a jonin.mnownnot all jonin could, or just not her? Then they move the goal post to all jonin could beat Gaara. Okay. So all the jonin can beat Shukaku? Gaara can't use him. Why not? Now they are acting like they can tell Gaara at what level to fight. Inna real fight to the death the jonin are going to tell Gaara he can't use him cause it's cheating? Asuma and kurenai and the inoshikacho fathers are all jonin and we can assume that they can be that fast, but its an assumption simply because they are jonin. They haven't been shown to have that speed level, it's all an assumption so the best they can saybis "idk". Especially since most things are red redconed. Yall niggas really need to stop with this Mark glazing. He has bad takes a lot of the time. Dylan was right on this one. Most of the time too. The trapped in the mall with 5 mambas vs gorilla or 1 Gorilla was wrong as you can hide behind a gate in a back room and be set. While the black mammas can slither through things and sneak up on you. The zombies debate he was wrong as World War Z zombies are far more dangerous than the I am legend ones. They can't travel during the day and he kept saying they are all intelligent when only that 1 main zombie was and the rest just followed his orders being brutes. That's all. He's wrong in a lot. While Dylan was always opposing him in those, Mark gets louder and all of a sudden he is right. Naw.

I know you won't read all that, just know it's all there explaining why you are a glazer and wrong.

@@guy2006and you’re just glazing Dylan in a terrible take

That's true

Genjutsu* but yeah

And asuma only loses because his opponent literally has a cheat code.

Kurenai had no dojutsu

@@garytaylor8193 It’s been a while since I’ve watched/read the OG series. Wasn’t Kurenai able to control genjutsu through her eyes?

He doesn’t know any ninjitsu only taijitsu he was finished before it even started 😂

You still make those cringy Zoom prank videos?

@@asheditzz2380nah might guy was already teaching him how to enter the gates and he told Lee that if he trains him his body probably have the possibility to withstand all the way to 7 gates without damage since his life force ain’t primarily relying on chakra

Bro should’ve retired after that exam fr

I dunno his fight with the guy who pulls out his bones was decent too

Exactly

Good point, though Kakashi was using sharingan to watch that match

​@@shvnlocalcrewexactly

@@xSkadushHe only needed Sharingan after Lee used the gates. Weightless Lee was tracked by Neji without even using Byakugan

​@@nith4126Didn't kakashi take out the sharingan when he was explaining how the gate increase someones chakra by a shit load? It might just of been to see the process as it was happening.

I came here to find this comment. This man fought Madara with straight hands and did the most damage besides Naruto and they are using him as a baseline.

@@12craiger34he didn’t fight madara in base 😂 he got plenty stronger since part 1 and legit used the eight gate

@@ummactually-cb7mzhe never said he fought him in base.

@@YungDoug he never specified 8 gates it’s pretty relabent

kakashi is literally the strongest

BECAUSE WHAT SPEED FEATS PAIN HAVE?!?- rock lee stans

@@Whensmahvel1go watch Pain vs the 5 tails. They was in that bitch running fast asf

@@Whensmahvel1 You say that like it isn't a major part of the discussion lol. Lee works his ass off every day of his life to hone his body to be as strong and fast as possible. Pain is 6 corpses controlled like puppets, and even if we're talking about Tendo, he isn't known for exceptional speed. If he was fast, he wouldn't rely so hard on Almighty Push. The fact that he just stood there instead of dodging Naruto's Rasengan is proof that he isn't fast, and he knows it.

@@andrewodinson3726plot

@@andrewodinson3726bro when he took that rasengan he was almost defeated and influenced by the talk no jutsu. Go back to the fight with six tails and tell me there’s no speed feats. They were moving

fax , with that logic when early shippuden sasuke teleported to naruto, hes faster than madara

Kakashi needed sharingan slow down

He did win fights wtf and he had speed bro them weighs when he took them off he was literally teleporting on garras ass he had him spook

@@slumpjuice3423 people always talk about how Lee had Gaara spooked but fail to mention the fact that he did no REAL damage lmao like Sasuke is the first person to make Gaara bleed and Naruto is the first person to actually beat him

The anime version of Gaara vs Lee really tricked people into thinking that Lee is nasty when he really isn't lol

When John say lee is faster than guy 🤔

@@websterjohnson3575​​⁠​⁠​⁠didnt even attempt to read what I said lmao😭25:25 John said everyone at a certain point is just “all fast” like no not all fast is the same

@nith4126 he never said all fast is same he said when u get to a level everybody fast but lee still faster than some of them

@@websterjohnson3575ngl part 1 lee is slow to both series

im saying

They need to do a legit back and forth with the fans that would be entertaining af

ong like call a fan and let them have a short segment on their back and forth...... nahhh someone pitch this idea to them fr@@salter149

Fr bruh

Not 5th gate lee

@@bboywolf lee without the 5th gate was easily getting through the sand so its irrelevant

@@guyhathansaintil5218 also you forgot that neji has 359° vision AND rotation. Idk if lee fought neji no weights. Lee was bodying sasuke and naruto with weights lol

@@bboywolf he def did cause neji wasnt chocked till 5th gate plus hes confident that neji is mostly superior to him but yea i mean naruto and sasukes buffs during the chunin exams were crazy

So part 2 Ten-Ten>part 1 Rock Lee speed

@andrebryant5081 yeah, maybe. We can't depend on animation to get more and more crazy to show us speed. We have to scale strength feats to speed. Some characters are have a different balence of speed and strength, but I doubt any of the kids from part 1 can keep up with grown people on part 2. The teenagers maybe.

@@andrebryant5081 lol part 2 ten ten is still weaker than part 1 Lee

It takes more than speed to become a Sannin lol

With that logic they should've made Naruto an honorary Jonin during shippuden at least after he got sage mode

@@hughvonramdass8957by then he was def Jonin level or higher

Liking this comment b4 I even watched the video cuz John a bitch😤

it's probaly the complete opposite jihn won't admit he's wrong

@@darylvondutch6096exactly lol they be making fun of John for his opinions and takes

@@deeswagg21bro john be just talking just to talk sometimes but he has moments where he spittin fasho

I haven't even heard John talk yet... but you're right😂😂😂😂

Facts

@@tonyy_destined Not facts. Because that speed threshold is reserved for KCM naruto. Pain is not and never was lightspeed

@@theinktician "Because that speed threshold is reserved for KCM naruto." No the speed threshold is the Fourth Raikage(who is stated to move at light speed) "Pain is not and never was lightspeed" Pain Scales over Jiraiya who scales Relative to Orochimaru who is on par with Hiruzen who is the strongest of the 5 Kage including the Fourth Raikage.

Nah pain getting dogged in the 7th gate

@@SRVarislet’s be real, Hiruzen is not the strongest of the 5 kage. Hashirama was literally called the God of Shinobi and Tobirama is insane in his own right too.

Sasuke was going slow as hell though

He didn’t copy his speed he copied his movements he had to work with kakashi to get his speed increased enough to do chidori he still wasn’t on rock lee level though

What the hell does eclipsed mean

@@goofy5702 surpassed eclipse is when you can’t see something solar eclipse is when the moon blocks the sun so in this case Gaaras speed was surpassed

Bro do u know what Leland says at 35:30?

Stop it Zabuza was getting out smarted by kids. Gaara was a problem.

@@BilionaireBoysSwagfax excluding that hoe orochimaru, gaara was the biggest problem we ever seen at that point

​@@BilionaireBoysSwagoutsmarted by plot you mean

17:21 this man Dylan is crazy. This made me hot asf.

@@joshbyrd9433 That's deadass the point where I really started to heat up for real. It's crazy cause I'm known for being the chillest and calmest person in the room for the most part. Dylan and John were just way too wild with the 💩 takes in this one.

I feel you. I just wanted John to stop talking for real cause he not serious

Kid Gate Lee would prolly dick on Base Teen Naruto start of Ship.

@@davidpottinger9631 Both Naruto and Sasuke beat Lee's speed in part 1 in the final battle. Lee is not beating Shippuden Naruto after 3 years of training with pervy sage.

Lee isn't anywhere close to Pain's speed, even with the gates it doesn't matter. A 30% Kisame clone was easily keeping up with 6th gate guy, meanwhile a non-clone Kisame got absolutely bodied by Naruto right after he got KCM. Since Pain kept up with around at least half of this same nine tails power (6 tails) there's no way you could say he's slower than 30% of Kisame. Meaning he is, at the very least, on par with 6th gate guy in speed. Part 1 Naruto and sasuke were faster than lee at final valley fight, and they ain't no where as close to freaking pain who was boxing with 6 tails kurama, 1 tail kid naruto was maxing sasuke thats faster than lee Sasuke had to use curse mark 2 (a 10x multiplier from base) to keep up with him so its not EVEN CLOSE@@davidpottinger9631

@@MysteriousMrWolf Final Vallley isn’t relevant. Curse Marks and Tailed Beast power aren’t Base Teen Naruto. Lol Gate Lee blitzs and tutors Naruto.

@@davidpottinger9631 "Final Vallley isn’t relevant. Curse Marks and Tailed Beast power aren’t Base Teen Naruto." Base Teen Naruto is at least in the same ballpark as Shippuden Kakashi as they are going out on Akatsuki Level Mission's Together. Also Base Naruto in Part One is keeping up with Base Sharingan Sasuke who is just stated superior to 5th Gate Lee.

well said

That Naruto and Sasuke are bodying Hidan. That naruto and sasuke are kage level lol zabuza is kage level, is he beating any of those 2? Keep it a stack

when was it stated that zabuza is kage level? @@bboywolf

@@bboywolf bro zabuza is no where near Kage level are u okay In the head

Listen , 5 gates part 1 lee loses to shippuden sasuke whos slower than orochimaru whos slower than tails naruto , naruto went 6 TAILS and pain was relative , powers or not

5 gates doesn’t make a difference he’ll still lose to pain

​@@IIIISaipain was getting blitzed I. Terms of speed yall need to rewatch naruto the onlthing saving pain was pure jutsu sagemode naruto is faster than pain base form jiraiya is faster

@@IIIISai Orochimaru was never shown nor stated to have gotten faster in Shipudden, so how do we measure that?

@@IIIISaiI ain’t gone lie sasuke probably just as fast if not faster than orochimaru during that time frame

pain blitzes all of part 1 naruto

gates make no fuckin difference

He will need to go beyond the 6th gate to be faster than Pain.

fr, everyone should have a John in their friend group 😆

Facts 😂😂😂

Nah John holding niggas back with that terrible take. Good thing that nigga nice with Dreamcon cause he does not know anime 😂

@@fightingdreamer8681a

Zabuza was a strong ass start, if it wasnt Kakashi or Guy with them Team 7 deceased

Lmfao shit is wild

one of the strongest? 🤣🤣 He was the weakest one and had 0 jutsu, if kakashi picked up his weapon and threw it hidan is done for

i agree he wins but im pretty sure hidan himself said he weaker

Hidan is the second weakest After zetsu I don't know what you smoking but I need some of that

hidan is one of the weakest wtf

i mean hes truly immortal right? took shikamaru's genius to basically leave him eternally rtrapped @@IIIISai

Very well said, asuma washed

asuma casually blitzed =neji whos way faster all of the named jonin are superior to the kids they show us that time and time again the reason the jonin didnt end it immediately was cause they stayed in tthe village for protection gaara left the village its also not just an assumption pain on feats is way faster is at sage narutos level whos stronger than kyubi kid naruto whos faster than lee

@@guyhathansaintil5218When did Asuma blitz Neji? Because when Neji fought Hinata the ones that saved her were Kurenai, Kakashi, Hayate (wild speed feat that helps your point that the adults are above the kids), and Gai. Asuma did not. But I do agree all the adults are faster than the kids.

​@@TensuKawakabyall neji is not faster than Lee though do that doesn't matter

If you think asuma couldn’t handle a kid gara but could box members of the akastuki your an idiot

Sasuke was straining himself to catch up to Lee's speed. Lee's speed is natural. If he pushed as hard as Sasuke, he would still be faster.

@@Rik3n Lee spent his life trying to attain that speed, sasuke caught up to it in like a couple of months

It doesn't move in a straight line but you're right.

@luminnous9000 I honestly only remember pieces of his fight with Temari that's why thought it moved in a straight line

@@KisukexMomohime fair enough. Check out the jutsu he used on Hidan to trap him underground. The shadows went craaaazy!