RDC Mark vs John Most Heated Argument 

i mean when the chat constantly has negative things to say about/to him, you cant really blame him

Just found it funny after someone pointed it out in another stream video I seen of them

theres never any negative comments that boa b making them shits up 😂😂

Honestly feels like it’s a revert the attention away from the conversation sort of thing Dude did not need to go on a mini rant with the same energy he had in his conversation with Jon

Everytime lmao

Lol, John = Madara

Bro think he Madara💀

Nah he when he said that affected the entire show he right cuz B4 Naruto became hokage he visited zabuza grave

@@marcuspowell4343 hell no

John Madara>Jay Pain 😆

Yeah that's his nindo way to never go back on his word 😂🤣

Even tho he wrong💀

Sticking to a wrong belief is nothing to praise

Every back and forth he's the back and the rest of rdc is the forth 🤣

@@darylvondutch6096 how’s he wrong who honestly cared for asuma💀

Ah, Stephen A. Smith strat.

I mean Mark literally said that his opinion was a fact lol.

Not really, Johns whole thing is that he’ll straight up tell what he thinks is an opinion, meanwhile mark acts like everything he says is a fact and you’re not allowed to have an opinion that goes against it.

@@alsosprachzarathustra4756 facts lol

John just didn’t know how articulate his words honestly lol but he was right on this one. Mark tripping

I'll pick up the pieces is colder tho...

@@imArcheRR FCK NO ITS NOT

I was looking for someone else to say it bro!!! That shit drops the mic for sure

Like Gaara said “I was his enemy and yet he cried for me”!!! It was the first time Naruto gave his opinion to the enemy and convince him that his view on what a shinobi is, is wrong ! To me it hits deeper when you know that kakashi father took his own life thinking how Naruto thinks so I can only imagine how kakashi feels this whole time…

@@juanbanda8052 both are hard but I think I prefer it coz I really like Shikamaru he's such a goat

facts

If the argument is impactful to the narrative than John is absolutely right, but if it’s impactful to the heart, then it’s gotta be Jaraiyas death

Exactly

These niggas just yelling lmao

Usually how most arguments are, when feelings are involved logic and listening usually leaves

That's one of the reasons when Zabuza/Haku came back and fought Kakashi again. Kakashi saying "Naruto has grown into a splendid Shinobi" means so much.

I wouldn’t say that laid the core foundation for Naruto character

i didn’t really care that he died but you’re correct

@@keenanwilliams3298 naw it built his ninja way which is his core character feature

@@moodyjunior867 Naruto already had his foundation of never give up from iruka’s teachings at the academy.

Yeah that’s all he does

Mark childish 💀

Cap nigga yell logic and fact

😂😂😂

This is the answer right there. No need to read further comments

as a scene itself heck nah bruh that shikamaru scene is peak anime

Exactly

Rewatch that shikamaru scene lil bro

@@dare2333 Still not sure whether they’re talking about the impact on the story or the impact on the character. Because if its the impact on the character, Its definitely Shikamaru’s. Naruto’s is easily Jiraya’s. But if talking about overall impact to everything, Zabuza’s takes the cake. Talk no jutsu was crafted because of that scene lol

that’s not what we’re arguing we’re arguing what’s a better scene y’all all keep moving the goal podt

@@final2k565 the main reason for the debate was which scene was more impactful, not necessarily better. No one is moving the goal posts.

@@final2k565 the argument wasn’t weather the zabuza scene was better they was jus arguing over johns opinion mark didint like that that scene was johns favorite💀

@@final2k565Zabuza scene still better than Shika scene😂😂😂

lol

There arguing about anime just because their black don’t make every argument a nigga moment💀

Yeah pretty much

I would say the zabuza scene was still more impactful to the viewer if you re watch it !! Haku is just like Naruto ! Naruto could have turned out like Haku had he ran into an evil person like zabuza instead of running into somone like iruka sensi. It was the first time he convinced the enemy that their view is wrong ! Also one of the first times Naruto shows it’s ok to cry for your enemy!! Also when you realize Kakashi father took his own life for having views like Naruto did and obito did before the rock fell on him the whole scene was really deep more than I think they intended.

@@juanbanda8052 I agrée and John did the zabuza scene no justice but what they were arguing is what was more impactful completely not impactful to the main character and that’s what John had confused. Asumas death , the slow shogi playing when he’s usually quick , the silence while trying to be consoled , then the break down!? everything was relatable to real life a deep message you take everywhere . It was for sure more tear jerking than zabuzas scence . Not saying zabuza scene wasn’t brazy to.

@@junespeaks9217 shikamaru definitely had a more real life feel to it on how to handle a loss. But I think that’s because we can relate to that more so than the zabuza scene. Not everyone is an orphan searching for belonging but everyone has definitely felt a loss before

@@juanbanda8052 I also agree, but I do not think Zabuza was evil at all, he was a hired killer who was trying to the best for his own village. His arc showed that the world of Naruto is a moral grey area which is brilliant writing, just depending on whose side you were born too. Zabuza's arc showed the absolute cruelties of war and how two forces that are against each other do no necessarily mean one side is good or bad, but the losing side will always be portrayed as the bad guy. Naruto and co were fortunate to be born in the circumstances that they were, because had their teacher been weaker, they literally would've died with him as Haku did his Sensei. This synopsis literally paints parallelism between the two worlds and how, at the end of the day each of these sides have more in common than one would originally think. Zabuza dying absolutely was more impactful because it shaped the theme of Naruto overall, that just because you think you are working with the perceived good guys, doesn't necessarily mean there isn't more to the story. The story comes back full circle at the end because it gives Naruto and the viewer early that there is a deeper subtext behind the war and helps us to (whether we agree with it or not) understand Sasuke's journey of betrayal to the leaf village and ultimately his redemption.

@@juanbanda8052 disagree wasn't that impact to md

No 🧢 fam you sound like one of them meat munchers at the end of the video.

Facts

Preach! John sucks at getting his point across but that don’t mean he was wrong. Not at all. Mark delusional as hell sometimes.

Facts like I fucks with Mark but bruh be doing too much sometimes

Exactly and the chat and some rdc are some bandwagon ass mfs…they act like Mark word is law

Yeah... It's like this... John on some intellectual ish while Mark on his Ignorant ish...

John just sucks at explaining but he’s 100000000% right. Mark gets ignorant for the sake of being ignorant because he can. That’s it.

Yeaaaah buddy, you’re wrong. Naruto is the protagonist but they’re all main characters 😭💀 a side character would be someone like Zabuza or Pain.

L

Nawl John point kept changing

No you weren’t

@@victorialovesyou it was impactful but ain’t no way u was in tears.

@@vanillamilk7575 yeah people get on my nerves with that “I was crying” crap 😂

@@victorialovesyou that’s some next level dumb to think people react the same way you do emotionally

@@victorialovesyou u ain’t cry when jiraya died?

Oh you dumb ash if you think Naruto talking shit to zabuza is a better scene than asuma death scene for shikamaru just cuz he is a side character doesn’t mean he can’t get his moment and that’s what makes it 10x special cuz not all anime let side characters get their own arc especially a guy like shikamaru that never showed emotion and we seen that he never did all of OG Naruto and seasons of shippuden compared to first 15 episode of naruto like it really shouldn’t even be a comparison just cuz it’s a side character and not the main character shouldn’t Dictate your choice

@@MMSMariiGaming It’s all opinion tbh bro

Personally Zabuza arc was peak Naruto for me. It was violent and hand signs and it sucks they went off track. They should kept going in that fashion. Instead making people planetary.

Disagree

whole rdc besides john be bots sometimes

@@JACQUEZJOHNSON23 and that’s fine lol

@@Taijuu1 yup

And to say Zabuza Arc didn’t affect Naruto going forward is WILD. Kakashi himself said that Zabuza gave Naruto his creed, you know the whole “I’ll never give up.” Thing that he started saying RIGHT after that arc? Yeah, where do you think it came from?

Facts

@@alsosprachzarathustra4756 On top of all of that naruto returns to their graves before he becomes hokage

This 100%. I usually don't agree with John but he's absolutely right in this case. And Mark was trying to invalidate the fact that Naruto thought Sasuke died at that time.

This is all correct but that scene was better that was the original point but it got to impactful. It was team 7 first real mission but asuma dying as shikamaru sensei and sarutobi son to the akatsui and find out Kurenai is pregnant

They originally was saying which scenes better . And shikamaru crying was a better scenes Simple . Not who more impactful

Shika is still more impactful because that scene was pivitol in shikas role to bring naruto back from depression after he found out jiraiya died

I agree

There won't be a Rasenshuriken without Asuma teaching Naruto how to use wind chakra

8 completely forgot about Asuma until they brought it up. I still remember Zabuza.

No cap fr tho, he mad at chat fa everybody else tryna argue marks point, when Mark the one yelling not tryna validate John's argument. And everybody else agreeing with Mark and Johns point not getting across. I just commented how Mark be yelling and not tryna validate nobody else argument like he right all the time, Just cause "he the leader", and just cause he "the leader" they gone agree with and let him argue his side of the story, and like Mark, not hear or validate John's argument or opinion, IN MY OPINION, there should be no leader, the leader should be off camera.

On god bro. This one of them videos that got me reading and replying to every comment cuz I swear everybody but John was tripping hard as fuck. It made me mad John wasn’t able to really explain his point in the same way I can. Made me wish I was there just to shut them niggas up. Lmao

@@xSpadeTV there are times where others challenge marks opinion so I don’t agree that because he’s the leader he is “ always “ right but I think when it’s about this specific moment in naruto most of RDC feels similar to mark . Zabuza moment was S tier to all of them I’m sure but maybe john didn’t connect with the shikamaru the way everyone else did

@@xSpadeTV wtf typa dweeb take is this? Mark isn't the leader, he's just the most iconic. everyone in the group does their own thing, yall getting wayyyyyy too comfortable putting labels on ppl that u dont know.

@@ItsNothingRichy It cuz Mark is the only one who doesnt get checked for saying dumb stuff. Even when they do argue with him, they always concede once he starts gettin loud (accept john). Hes able to successfully bully everyone out of their opinion while being completely wrong and ignorant, and thats why people see him as the leader. Because anytime theres an argument, Mark wins even if hes wrong, and it feeds into the idea that hes the leader. Ppl get mad at rdc fans for saying marks the leader but thats basically how he portrays himself. Once i saw DESMOND get silenced in a game of gang beasts after mark started yelling, it all made sense. I love mark but he is seriously ignorant asl. At this point I dont even think the other members are scared, they just known mark longer than john and know its pointless to argue with somebody who refuses to be wrong and will start yellin. And he just doesnt undertand the concept of opinion

Yeah I agree, he was definitely onto something explaining the entire scene, and if you included Naruto going berserk over Sasuke’s death, I 1000% agree it’s a better scene but Mark was already heated and everyone else in the group automatically agrees with Mark

@@somuchbttrdenu759 facts

@@somuchbttrdenu759 first time using 9 tails chakra, first time using talk no justsu… first time Naruto seen another person and related to them in the sense Haku just wanted to be accepted by anyone just like Naruto did.

@@juanbanda8052 Exactly, those moments are incredibly pivotal to the show and hell I’d argue Jaraiyas death was more impactful than Asumas. Like seriously Asuma appeared maybe 2-3 times in the entire show before then and Mark got on John for bringing up Sasukes fake out death and how Naruto reacted but turns around and brings up Shikamarus reaction with his dad. And I can still make the argument that Shikamarus reaction was still not as impactful as Naruto’s reaction to Sasukes fake out death and honestly the way Zabuza went out after Hakus death was incredible. I gotta agree with John and if he was able to make his point without everyone yelling at him and dickriding Mark, he could have convinced more people.

Nah

Hell nah

@@dhrvaysmith1757you don’t know ball. Naruto changed from that moment and forged so many of Naruto’s morals and key ideas.

Jesus is coming

@@dxnixble I'm coming

@@dxnixbleJesus Take The Wheel 🤧‼️

cause they was somewhat telling the truth. 😂

You act like mark ain’t toxic himself lmao

True chat matches marks energy lol

Mark always on some bs

Just look at this comment section, I don’t blame him at all.

@@theoneandonly06 Fax. They all talked about it on stream like a couple days ago.

goal post true, but na homie shikamaru scene overated as hell not gonna lie

If this is true, then I'd have to agree with John and petition for him to get his Naruto Card back. I'll admit I agreed for the Asuma scene at first, but with all the good points and hindsight, Zabuza may just be the better scene overall. OG Naruto wins again over Shippuden.

yea mob mentality, and its sad because its within the same team attacking one member, imagine having an ignorant leader and then you genuinely try blindly defending him, dylan and Leland were so cringe in this clip, I relate to john cuz that's what happens to me with my older brother and his friends, what I learned was just keep my thoughts to myself, can't argue with a wall, and even if you are surrounded by them, it doesn't make you any less right

@@IIIISai bro don't deep it like that. It's just certain people are really fun to argue with it's not malicious I'm sure u bro isn't trying to put u down. Also maybe address it with him cus feelings like that fester and can become resentment

@@erwinsmith3870 I appreciate your message, and actually your right it was hidden resentment from childhood, i told him, he can't really admit fault or being wrong, probably worse than mark but for now he brought his trusted friends, we all had a serious discussion, and I'll see what happens, ima do my own thing, im not the typa guy to dwell on the past, if he becomes more open minded like he claimed he would, then we'll see

@@IIIISai did u not hear in this video where hates when mfs talk about the other members agree with him only because hes leader and he also said that john had good points

​@@IIIISai niggas like u and the guy who made the original comment are the reason desmond said " i cant agree with mark no more on stream"

bro the shikamaru moment overated af, had nothing on the zabuza scene

Hell nah

EXACTLY

Yeah I can’t find it either

Ain't the stream still on twitch?

wtf? he didn't say anything about kicking him out of RDC

yall be making things up mark didnt say anything about kicking him out of RDC here's the VOD ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1qB1BdB6aME.html

Wym cap? He literally is 😂 not the “main main” member like Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke but he’s definitely a main member overall

Why you say it like that ? 😂😂😂

Lately the other members been sticking up for themselves. Guess John inspired them or sum 😂 you right tho

Aw hell no if you watch the streams and backnforth for the past year, you'll see all of them especially Dylan legit retort Mark heavy. Mark deadass gave up arguing with Dylan about the Gorilla and black mamba after 30 minutes, also the date of death or cause of death thing. Feel like you just hatin Mark for being loud ong. All of them shittalk each other, they're literally best friends

@@SayonaraNoodles Naw u def right ab dylan, he be goin on mark when they play gangbeasts💀 I dont even dislike mark, I criticize people I like all the time, hes easily top 3 funniest in the group dont get me wrong. Im not hatin on Mark, but I just notice when ever they have an opinion based argument, Mark will just act like what hes saying is fact and shut anybody else down before they can even explain themselves. And it doesnt help that john is horrible at articulating an argument even if its good. And then they wanna get on stream and complain ab people saying Mark is the “Leader” every like 6 streams. I dont agree but damn if they dont want that stigma they needa start stickin up for themselves, especially ben and desmond. Des will either go mute after like 2 minutes of having a shouting match or go into dimentia des mode. Like bro defend urself💀

@@SayonaraNoodles Exactly. Thats what I just said lmao. Dylan is good now at times. Leland is still not likely. Des/Ben are absolutely scary tho

@@thatdude5983 Yall gotta realize Mark is a talker and he's naturally loud. Just cause someone isn't arguing doesn't mean they're scared and they're always shit talking each other on stream but yall focus on Mark since he's the loudest.