Dang, I just checked the store where I bought my 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 B in 2020... I remember that I paid around 60-70€ for a set with the Pi, casing, heat sinks and a little fan. Now a similar set (but without any heat sinks or fan) is at around 255€ 💀
Same I bought mine in early summer 2021 and paid like 85$ for the whole kit and shabang like you. Think it came with a microSD and stuff too. 8GB kit too.
This is why china SBCs are taking over, 1/4 the price and does exactly the same or better. and you got some ricepis with 8 threads sata nvme pcie 4x etc. etc.
The problem is that every major industry is hoarding them in case China invades Taiwan, disrupting TSMC then suddenly any sort of custom, application-specific, chip becomes unobtainium. No one wants to stop automotive or aviation or whatever major production because they can’t get a $1 custom microcontroller or ASIC. A programmable microcontroller or an affordable SBC is almost future-proof for the same uses.
@@Kenobi5001 The military industrial complex is certainly one of those industries that isn’t going to stop production just because they didn’t want to hoard Pis. Definitely counts as one of those “major industries” I mentioned. ;)
God i fucking hate globalism. Market offshoring is one of the dangers of global capitalism. "b- but globalism is a conspiracy theory" -- some idiot who does not understand logistics
@@uniqueprogressive9908 Well, ASML still holds a total monopoly on the EUV lithography equipment TSMC and other foundries need to produce the most advanced chips, so it’s even worse than it sounds.
I think what I'd most like to see with this or any other SBCs you cover would be how to make your own router or NAS; being able to free one's self from proprietary (and often inferior) ISP-provided routers or from Big Tech's cloud storage would be god-sends from IT n00bs like myself and others...
Aliexpress x86 SBC with intel NICs + opnsense is the way to go, or just use any x86 desktop board with at least 2 ethernet ports, but that's rather power hungry compared to the SBCs.
It's suspicious how long these have been out of stock. Every other company that struggled with the microchip shortage recovered, and many were back to normal awhile back. I wonder
@@caden3241 yeah, it really does suck but between them getting snapped up for off label industrial use and the run that got done back when Helium mining was a thing the market for the Rpi4 never really recovered
Have you seen those Raspberry Pi Supercomputers the Uni's have had their students build. Pretty sure they are selling majority before they ever make it to market.
It’s hoarding. The industrial sector is preparing for the worst: No TSMC after China invades Taiwan. No more 3¢ microcontrollers or $1 ASICs… not even $50 FPGAs. They need all the programmable microcontrollers and SBCs they can get so they don’t have to suspend automotive or aviation or military or whatever other production may need them in the future.
Great overview and recommendation for a SBC. I'd really love to see a detailed setup video of a Tor relay setup on an ARM system... I've tried it myself some time ago with a pi4 but failed miserably - so as always I am looking forward to whatever quality content you provide. Thanks for the great work. Keep it up.
I think a (recursive) DNS sinkhole like pihole or others would be a great topic to visit. Fairly straightforward for beginners and genuinely improves network performance!
Some of my favorite SBCs right now are the friendlyelec R5S r4s khadas vim3 and vim4 I’ve probably used 50 of each of these this year and very happy with them
The problem with arm based sbc other then the PI is that they often don't have nearly as much softeware support as the PI. With x86 it's no problem since x86 just runs anything that runs on a desktop, but on arm every distro needs to be specifically made for whatever SBC the device is usinng or even specific of that device. So much for arm being the future.
Yeah I'm leery of buying a non-pi ARM SBC for exactly that reason. I've been eyeballing the odroid H3 which is intel powered and compatible with everything. It's a bit more money though.
It is easy to switch to arm. Its not like 10 years ago. I haven't used x86 for like 300+days. Even gaming is possible through emulators for 2000s or early consoles.
@@capitalismftw504 The problem is that ARM SBC's aren't as universal as x86 SBC's are. If it's x86, pretty much any x86 distro will work on it. These ARM sbcs have hardware specific to them so they often need special distro's supplied by the maker. That's what's made the PI the defacto standard. The fact you can run most distro's on them.
Nice video :) I don’t really see these boards ever mentioned anywhere by SBC RU-vidrs. I’m actually getting a Quartz64 Model-A 8GB for some projects I wanted to work on. It has pretty similar specs to the RockPro64, say for the slightly weaker processor with the inclusion of the Mali GPU Processors on board, but it also includes a SATA port on it so I can plug in an SSD or HDD if I ever needed to. I might get this one too just for the inclusion of greater GPIO support.
It has been possible to plug PCI cards into the RPI ever since the CM4 model because you can plug it into an external board with PCI sockets, but this is definitely much more convenient and efficient for homemade routers and retro gaming builds (with old GPUs, sound cards, etc for really old dos, arcade, etc games) than the simplest setup for the RPI.
I didn't know they'd support multiple drives. That definitely puts them at the top of my list. Drop a couple in a 4u chassis and have multiple storage servers in one tidy box.
This sounds cool, I was focused on the newer quartz64 by pine, but this might actually be the more interesting one. Especially if it’s viable for a router build.
ive recently taken a look at the orange pi 5 (i ordered a 16gb model), it looks like a sweet deal for ~$100 with a pretty good arm64 cpu and not bad gpu. im probably going to use it for running klipper (a fw for 3d printing), a website, a nas, or a portable laptop for programming and games. I also found out about a software called box86 that lets you run x86 apps on arm which im excited to try. the only downside i see so far are no built in wifi & bluetooth just like the rockpi (the orange pi 5 is very barebones compared to the 4 which had everything a modern laptop needed but was slower and overheated more than the 5). I think it would be cool to see a review on this since its relitively new and i think lots would enjoy it :)
I'm glad to have a RPi 4, because of the support for it, though I use it as a LAN-Server. It's definitely enough so I don't need anything faster. But I do have a project where I definitely need a bigger CPU. I originally planned another RPi 4 for it, but other SBCs seem better for the job and since I'll have to build a custom enclosure, I'll probably go with something like the Rock Pro 64.
I found an unauthorised reseller last year, selling RPis, but they were at heavy scalper prices. Then I found an official reseller had them in stock at normal price and quickly bought them
I'd prefer an SBC with the newer RK3588/RK3588S, also supports more than 4GB RAM. Something similar like the Orange Pi 5 but with flexible addon (PCIe) slot. So many SBCs, but all have their downsides when it comes to I/O, which is always limited. Or price. 😊
Glad to see you reveiw this. Have a PinePhone and PineBook Pro. Haven't picked up a Rock6 because I've got an extra Pinebook, but could see it becoming a goto for some usecases.
Pi 4 has PCIe but it is used for onboard peripherals. The compute module however, does break it out, so you will find a lot of carrier boards with PCIe around.
Eben Upton from the Pi Foundation has an interview on Explaining Computers (YT). They have had hideous supply problems and intense demand especially from the embedded device market which is going gangbusters. He also said expect no Pi 5 in 2023, they have to stabilise supply first. As for Pine - interesting gear but software support wasn't great. I used a Rock64 as a main mini server for years (until it's USB 3 port started to fail). Armbian was a lifesaver for that thing.
i would love to see you do a secured nextcloud setup with this board. or another private file sync alternative. i would love to see how a seasoned expert would go about securing it.
The CPU performance between these two will be fairly similar in most cases, despite the difference in core counts. The RockPro has a heterogeneous CPU setup with 2x Cortex A72 and 4x Cortex A53 cores, but the Cortex A53 cores are substantially slower than the A72 cores. The Raspberry Pi has a 4x Cortex A72 setup, which will perform about on par with the 2x A72 + 4x A53 core setup on the RockPro64.
With the RPis, there are still supply chain issues. And the boards that get manufactured tend to go towards commercial companies that rely on the boards - so the stock that's left for commercial stores to sell to the public is tiny.
While this chip does in fact have 6 cores, keep in mind that 4 of those 6 cores are actually low power and pretty low performance A53 cores, while the other two are A72 cores. The Pi 4 on the other hand runs only on 4 fast cores i.e. 4 x A73 cores so having in mind that it has twice the performance cores and that they are next gen compared to these, the RPi4 is quite a bit more powerful than this board in raw performance numbers.
Pis are expensive because they're amazing. I got my first Pi4 for better emulation. Then Twister OS made it a great desktop. Then Android. I bought a third and a fourth. Bought a PiBoy dmg, which limited use and decided I wanted a better portable form factor. Pi boombox, and then a chunky Pi tablet. Still running Twister OS and now Android 13 which is terrific. All 4 Pis overclocked to their individual limit. 8GB model is my fastest one. 2275/925 stable. It's just easy to do everything with them, because there's so many creative people fixing problems, making things work.
literally the only reason they were amazing was because of the low price point. The slow speed was justifiable considering the price point, but now it's a reason to just keep using x86 PCs
Since the rockchip SBCs have generally less support compared to the pis it could be a great option for a gentoobox. It would be nice to see a NAS build without FreeNAS doing everything automatically. I'd love to learn more about setting up FTP and samba manually. Also they say that the pci-e SATA card in Pine64's store isn't any good so I'd be nice to find one that is.
The Pi Foundation is prioritizing providing new boards to go to the industries still, for now. Nice snazzy new board. I've seen it reviewed on some other channels already. Looks cool.
Looks good. I wish an SBC RK3588 has an NVMe slot by default and be flatter so I can convert it into a laptop :D Another SBC that you could work with maybe for your relay would be the Framework mainboard.
The Rock 5B is an RK3588 board with an NVMe slot, another slot for wifi/bluetooth, and is fairly flat all things considered. Driver support for the g610 gpu is still the biggest problem on most RK3588 boards, except Khadas's offerings, which seem to have figured it out already. Firefly already has UEFI for their RK3588 boards.
@@NathanMartin11 Thanks let me have a look. Yea if I was building a desktop, the Firefly is attractive. Intel is compiling GPU drivers for non-x86 systems, would be even more interesting to play around. Too bad the Honeycomb LX2 is so expensive.
@@jierenzheng7670 The Firefly iCore-3588 line of boards are interesting, however, you'd need something to plug them into for building a laptop, but its a start. I'm fairly certain those are the boards with UEFI support too. You said "Intel is compiling GPU drivers for non-x86 systems"... I'd like to learn more about that? What does this mean and imply? Thanks.
You’d be wrong about the crypto mining. The Helium Coin has miners on its network that are called Bobcat miners. They use RasPis as the main computer, the company that makes the bobcat miner also way back logged on orders. I believe other miners made by other companies on the same LoRaWAN helium network also use RasPis, and you guessed it… those are back logged too
I thought it was just me or that my country's import tax was too high, but it's so damn expansive for SBC that even second-hand items could have the same price as a new one.
I'm looking for a very specific kind of SBC and I have yet to find one. Maybe someone here knows of something, but I have a feeling that if I ever wanted it, I'd have to craft the whole thing myself. The goal is to plug as little as possible as cheaply as possible into a SATA laptop hard drive and be able to drop it off as a covert torrent box. Requirements would be just enough CPU, RAM, and eMMC to run an embedded Linux and a CLI torrent client, *one* SATA port, and Wi-Fi. Everything I've found with a SATA port is huge and has lots of ports; everything with the other specs doesn't have SATA. *I don't want to add a USB-to-SATA bridge.* I don't think this exists.
im in a wait list to buy a rp5 but mostly out of spite. Because of the 4s non availability. I recommend a rock 5a or orange pi for higher processing if you ever need it
There is a new chipset from Rockchip called RK35588 or RK35588S. It has the power of Snapdragon 855+. There is a new SBC board called Orange Pi 5. It has this RK3588S chipset and it was on pre-sale for 75 USD on AliExpress with 8GB of RAM, but with no storage.
One idea, and it’s one that I’ve been thinking of doing in the future, is to hose a peer tube instance. It’s a program that lets you have a self-host video platform; it’s fully open-source, and apparently can be run on a raspberry pi. You could try that??
As fan from the beginning of the Raspberry boards it's so sad that the board is out of sight for any thing and any one, and also Eben Upton in a interview by Microcenter says that they will give priority to "Industrial costumers" first, I think is time to test other solutions outside of Raspi Pi boards, also can be a good oportunitty to antother SBC maker.
Such smooth, delicate hands 🤭 Hands that could code for hours then instantly grip a joystick and expertly attain high score after high score all night long 🌚
Actually Raspberries are used for mining crypto, mostly helium, in systems like SenseCap or MNTD, they are also embedded in lots of commercial products, I also stared to see them used in non-critical industrial applications like test rigs, test equipment controllers, HMI etc.
It's a chip shortage. The ARM chips have a huge shortage. I have several cortex A7/A9 model that have a 72 weeks lead time. Plus ARM is making weird decisions that could increase the problem on the long run to the point that some experts say that it could end the ARM dominance on embedded.
0:58 as a PCB designer, I can tell u that the chip shortage is still very much a thing. Take a look on the stock graphs of products (such as on octopart), and very few things have come back into stock still
7:21 Linus was greatly criticized for this take and was called out especially because of the Pi-Hole video. He clarified that using adblockers is not illegal and that he personally uses them, and he emphasized that he doesn't care if viewers watch his channels with adblock on. What Linus wanted to communicate is that we shouldn't think that because we pay for RU-vid by watching ads instead of paying for each video that somehow not paying for the videos in this case is not morally equivalent to piracy. I agree with Linus; servers cost money to run and that cost is paid for in your viewing ads, so if you use adblock on RU-vid etc. instead of paying for Premium, you are pirating the videos, and that fact doesn't change just because using adblock requires minimal effort.
There are alternatives to the raspberry pi but my problem with them has always been the operating systems which are usually hideously out of date and rarely auto build successfully.
Pine has been pretty good at keeping track of distros for their product. Armbian is really good, and so is Manjaro. I've been running the little brother of this board, the Rock64 for 3-4 years. Ameridroid is a good source for SBC's.
One thing that doesn't help us 3d printers need them for kipper, which should be adapted to more platforms but isn't ...for ...reason I couldn't explain why. Thank God for the sonic pad or I'd still be waiting till next year to start using klipper. Just waiting for that to be shipped lol
I'm expecting an SBC in the mail. The only avalible kernel version for it is 5.10, which is old. I think getting a modern kernel running on the board in your video would be a good video idea.
The model he has uses 5.15 Linux kernel for the Armbian build, so it really just depends on how mature the processor is. The Pinebook Pro uses kernel 6.0 already, but the newest RK3588 processors are still on kernel 5.10 due to how new they are. Will take a few months until they get up to speed, and hopefully start using 5.15 or 6.0.
1:26 that is actually not that bad of a markup if the POE hat is $15, that is the 8GB variant which sells for $75 retail at Cambridge Microcenter, well theoretically
@@amnottabs oh didn't even realize it came with an SD card too ,yeah that is not bad at all, this person is clearly not scalping for money when you consider the price plus the Ebay selling fees and PayPal processing fees , they would really be making nothing at all
Totally out of context, but have you seen or heard any news of Intel's ME? I'm wondering you are still able to disable it these days using ME_cleaner or anything like that.
@@kuroneko9270 I have no doubt AMD and Intel will continue, it’s just basically any privacy attempts you make can be completely made nil as soon as Intel or AMD decide they want your info.
to be fair the pihole doesnt really block all ads its just a list of addresses so its not like completely blockign every ad just a list of known adtraffic sites, ime it only blocks some web ads but certainly not all at least with the adlists i've tried
A good video on this sbc would be to setup an open router with pfsense with VPN config and the pihole ad blocking project. And call the video RockHole64.
Hey I'd love to see another in depth video on Piped. I haven't started using it yet because I watch a lot of RU-vid stuff and I'm still unsure what the differences are between the sites and if I'll have to resub to chans on there or re follow people and if I still use my RU-vid account on their site or whatever. I'm ready to switch because fuck Google but I'm still unsure about Piped setup once I get logged in and stuff.
They make barrel jack to usb-c cables for like $8. You have to be careful to use it with a usb-c charger that doesn't output over 12V but the cable you need does exist. I bought one for use with my laptop for 20V charging and sorta by accident found out that 1) 12v devices like routers have the same size barrel jack as the cable and 2) my usb-c power bank can apparently output 12v when triggered by this cable. So now I can run 12v devices off my power bank AND charge my laptop all thanks to this cable lol.
Could you run an Ethereum node on it? I mean if you get a 2TB NVMe SSD, 32 ETH.. But I think running an PoS node needs single core performance and memory.
Obviously, connectivity would be even worse, but a more ewaste friendly solution would be to repurpose on old android phone. If someone could build a usb expansion, dock type thing, with gpio on it, that would be awesome
