Roger Penrose on Spacetime, Quantum Theory, and General Relativity (Part 2) | Closer To Truth Chats 

along with his colleague Professor Basil J. Hiley (who had collaborated with Bohm and Penrose also).

Agreed

Bcos you don't understand a thing he's saying.

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Exactly the way I am feeling!

Who is a non scientist or just never studied science here...I always find it fascinating when I find people not in science interested in science. It gives me hope for small talk at parties, that I can be free to get carried away without people losing interest😂 🍺

Ditto

Yes I agree

I write about this in my upcoming book! I dunno why its not brought up more. It's basically the HEART of the mystery. He does kinda of dismiss inflation there for a second, but if you take it seriously, inflating spacetime serves as the only way to increase entropy in such a hot/homogenous early universe. Increase the size of the container, and you for allow difference to begin unfolding. There's something profoundly important about the relationship between global expansion and local contraction that we're not picking up on, not to mention gravity's inability to play a significant role in such a hot/dense/high entropy state universe. I think about this constantly!!!

Yep, I never understood how that works.

the constant remains the same, as it has thru our journey. in the next verse, the laws of physics may be different and require a new measurement constant. what ignites the next universe from the cold 🥶 end? Entropy and the second law of thermodynamics says that cannot happen. So that my friend, is the 64k dollar question. 👍

Planck's Constant can just be thought of as the "average energy of light" but when Planck converted it to joules he canceled out one of the seconds terms, thereby covering up the inherent noncommutative time-frequency that is nonlocal protoconsciousness. This is why Penrose focuses on the de Broglie-Einstein Relation so that Planck's Constant x frequency = Mc(squared).

Interesting.

It's still just 1 UNIverse.

ahoy matey, arhar!

googlescholar "biological annihilation" - you are correct.

In noncommutativity the quantum time-reversed signal is also an antigravity force that balances out the gravitational singularity. This is called an Instanton or eternal black hole. Nobel Physicist Gerard 't Hooft had a debate with Penrose about this on a livestream. They actually agree but just describe it a bit differently. The "bounce back" depends on whether you are perceiving it from internal to the event horizon - in which case it is negative frequency and not negative energy.

Well I know that I do!

You certainly get that impression from this discussion. All matter breaks down to massless partials. Time becomes irrelevant, and therefore, space becomes irrelevant. The universe forgets its size and energy somehow condenses. Then a new big bang occurs new universe is born.

And...

You are wrong in the conclusion. Its actually 2.71.

My Samsung phone calculator's returning 2.72 for 68/25.

@@esorse Roger Penrose is my best friend and confirmed its 2.71.

Study math professor Louis Kauffman on how the origin of the imaginary number is actually due to noncommutativity. The irrational magnitudes actually were created from the wrong music theory.

Why?

@@PetraKann love listening to Roger Penrose's views and am so glad he is still with us. My teacher unfortunately passed away from COVID, but it's great to see that his teacher is still going strong ❤️

@@OfficialGOD Thanks for your response. Was your teacher injected with mRNA or DNA Gene Modulation Therapies? These are interesting times Mr GOD

Yes, and yes. It's not so mad. But don't be so sure its actually "within" it. If you take many of GR's predictions to their logical conclusions, then there's a view where nothing every truly falls INTO a black hole, but only ever remains on its surface. But obviously, black holes have mass, grow, and eventually evaporate from our perspective outside of them but to any of the infalling matter, it crosses the boundary of the event horizon infinitely far into the future (and the moment it does so, it reaches the singularity) paradoxically at the same time as anything else to ever be consumed by the black hole. It's both perpetually stranded, and instantaneously consumed, leading one to think that black holes might be hyperobjects who's entanglements between their interiors and surfaces lead to new dimensions of freedom "within" them.

thank goodness you know, maybe tell sir roger as soon as possible before the universe implodes, jospeh wood in the comment above yours would probably like a collaborator for his nobel.....

check out the de Broglie Law of Phase Harmony and also Alain Connes. Penrose relies on the noncommutativity of Alain Connes. Essentially the future overlaps with the past in what Penrose calls "fundamental time." It's a pre-space process as pure algebra or protoconsciousness.

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Still learning here. Noncommu-- seems the easy way out. Took in some Susskind btw. No anti-deSitter-space and no positive-curved space....can there be extra temporal dimensions (besides the one that we know and the three spacial ones)?

@@michaelvandijk6490 yes it's the fifth dimension. It has to do with the quantum measurement problem. If you study quantum physics professor Basil J. Hiley - he has talks on youtube. Roger penrose goes into this also. All of western modern math is "commutative geometry." Alain Connes explains that the truth of music is actually noncommutative. He's the only scientist to explain this. I also realized this truth of music from my private music training - taking adult music theory when I was 15 years old. What this means is that the geometric dimension is zero but it's the 5th dimension as pure time or what Connes calls "primitive time." Math Professor Louis Kauffman calls it "primordial time." The math is nonlocal and so it's before the "collapse" of the wavefunction. It's the "inner cross products" of the matrices. The concept is actually very simple but since people learn by rote then they don't realize this concept. In music theory the Perfect Fifth is 3/2 as C to G overtone but Western music theory created irrational magnitude commutative geometry. This means that 2/3 as the Perfect Fifth is also C to F as the undertone but this was not allowed in Western music theory since it is noncommutative to 3/2 as C to G. Western music theory is taught as the Perfect Fifth PLUS the Perfect Fourth equals the octave. This means 3/2 PLUS 4/3 = 2. For this math to work there was a lie about the foundation of reality - Philolaus flipped his lyre around to cover up the fact that a different root tonic had to be used. This is also found in how the Perfect Fifth has noncommutative exponentials. So when trying to line up the octave for the music scale you get the Pythagorean Comma at 7 octaves with 12 Perfect Fifths (for the 12 music notes of the scale). This means that 3 is to the 12 while 2 is to the 19th. But when you put it back into the same octave scale then the inverse is noncommutative so it is 3 to the (1/19th) and 2 to the (1/12th). Only Alain Connes points out this noncommutative truth and this means again the noncommutative ratios are more dense then the irrational magnitude geometric continuum. Essentially Time is cubic due to the imaginary number used as the noncommutative phase. So each time a measurement is taken in quantum physics this changes the order of the time via the imaginary number. Normally in physics this "negative frequency" as a time-reversed signal is just squared as the probability (thereby canceling out the negative frequency for an amplitude squared probability). So as per Leonard Susskind - what noncommutative means is that the foundation of reality is a holographic wormhole with the future and the past overlapping via this 5th dimension. This was known to the nonwestern ancients doing alchemical meditation also.

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 okay, started with Hiley and ended up at M-theory. Structurally more dimensions...yes...explicitly one more temporal one...no. Can't wrap my mind around M-theory, how do they get it stable and working in our normal everyday universe.

@@michaelvandijk6490 No it's not M-theory. Noncommutativity is it's own deal. OK String theory does rely on noncommutativity at the foundation yet. So I guess it is connected. Actually this is all quantum biology - Basil Hiley goes into this as does Penrose. The protoconsciousness is accessed through meditation. Eddie Oshins figured this out when he worked at SLAC.

@@shrivardhanpatil9014 IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT FREQUENCY MEANS ::: SORRY I HAVE NO TIME FOR THIS

@@shrivardhanpatil9014 NO NOT YOU !!!

What?

@@S3RAVA3LM He said at the beginning "well, I can go on lecturing about this forever because nobody will ever prove me wrong." Figure it out for yourself.

@@daithiocinnsealach1982 ah, thank you for sharing -- and Penrose went on to say he ought prove himself wrong. A little condescending. I study the Ancients texts and metaphysics -- if they were here today, there'd be an apocalypse: the shaking down of the..."new" constructs so truth and Reason be rectified once again.

We filmed this a little earlier this year!

In the Block Universe everything is current!

Your brain remains in the 19th century.

Previous epoch

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--eYsSbw7jj8.html

Where-ever part 1 is.

It was burned with the library of Alexandria.

who knows where anything is, it's a mystery.

The ultimate diet!

That's the scary twist, can reach us at any instant now!

Dude just won a Nobel prize with a RU-vid comment. 😅 One question: how do you wait long enough if you don’t have clocks?

@@Carfeu you have clocks until the Higgs field tunnels. The clocks dissapear whenever mass disappears, meaning whenever the Higgs tunnels all over the Universe.

Insightful comment but Penrose would likely push back and remind us all again of gravity, as it is its inversive meddling with entropy that permits conformal cycles. Staying within his proposed model, Higgs tunneling also wouldn’t allow for Hawking Points to imprint, as one example, because tunneling would effectively wipe away any gravitational signature of prior aeons.

Maybe but not our big bang, only the next one

Or, maybe Our remote past was the Big Bang?

Fundamental Time has no spatial dimension and is eternal noncommutative nonlocal process in pre-space.

As if our universe could be on either end and yet relative to us our size never changes.

State collapses after measurement. Yes, it does. No.

it's noncommutative so it can't be repeated once it collapses. Actually due to noncommutativity there is no need to use any wavefunction that collapses. Read Professor Basil J. Hiley for details. In mainstream physics it's called the "No Cloning Theorem" in quantum physics.

How about Ptolemyzing both instead

you need to get out more (try tjump's channel).

Hi!!!

Copy paste cherry picking Present scientific evidence that disproves the evidence of dark matter.

How many mushrooms did you eat?

thanks for that, i filed it.

@@HarryNicNicholas You got it from me.

Word salad.

We’re in the galaxy and so its contents are closer. The Sun is about five billion years old and yet we see its released light after only eight minutes.

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It’s admitted that our understanding is incomplete….how do you close that gap? By doing science and experiments and investigating.

i think they know that.

I bet that real scientists never look to science as a job to get money rather life style, their main goal is not money or to become famous or to show off but science itself is their life, that is ehy they dedicate their entire life for science. that is why governments must offer them proper living conditions that suits their value. it’s possible that governments or companies ask them help to solve scientific problems, so they get money because of that but in general their main motivation is their love to science and being their life not money itself. It so hard for real scientist to cheat in science even if that could meant starving to death ! science for real scientists is something sacred.

I talk from the perspective of a scientist, but from business perspective it is different, science means technology and means power and money. anyway I don’t talk specifically about this Video but in general, Penrose is good compared to others. real scientist looks for truth through science, money is just a tool (bad tool) usually cheaters, thieves,…. are better at making money than scientists. What gives value to money to compare it to science?! what gives value to this existence is mind (thoughts)!

Humans are irrational entities, they don’t know what is value and what gives real value to things ! it’s faked irrational world. many things are so valuable but no one of the irrationals is aware of it ! it is the planet of the apes no doubt.

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He's high on Jesus

I ain't no meat machine I'm a mindful monkey

Hello 👋

I prefer to be called meatbag thank you

Now that I think about it, I prefer to be called measuring machine thank you

You might want to add conscious to the mix :)