RogerEUC - My take on the GodMod - Take it or leave it? 

Thank you, my friend. I really wish it had an impact on my wheel. I love every advantage I can get.

you should not have trust in a person. learn, so that you can trust yourself

@@Blox117 I am careful whom I put my trust in :)

@@DufYou put your trust in the right person…perhaps also read my new comment….

It’s kind of fun to have your tentacles into every aspect of the hobby.

@@roghaj amen… that was the mindset with Eskate and hoverboards. I got a EUC so I could learn about the engineering involved as well as learn to ride one. I did not realize it would somewhat overtake my Eskate goals and riding time. But hey it’s all growth and I got a few used packs I can tear apart for my first battery project. Once I can build batteries I don’t see much holding my back.

Yeah, when the claims are a bit too outlandish, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I enjoy, sharing my opinion.

My pleasure.

Much appreciated! I’ve always got some things in the pipeline. Looking forward to sharing them with everyone.

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Actually Roger is on point! The reason we have caps on board is that the electron flow from battery is to slow. When your caps are dead you have weak pedals (and finally your board will blow because of the stress). So yes, caps ON board are good…caps between battery and board are useless….

@@Kickersoccer69 my comment was referring to the Roger's view that it's better to use Radial capacitors vs Axial capacitors, from an electrical point of view. There's no difference in this application.

@@ElectricUnicycles Sorry, then i missunderstood that. Just Typical German 2. account….Ulf ;-)

@@ullle66 LOL

And btw: NOPE….in NO Way at all, it does NOT even protect from so called high speed cutouts! Or ANY cutOut….

I still think it is going to be almost impossible to convince the people that already spent $300+ dollars on this product.

the electrons no, electricity is the change in electric fields. not electrons

No problem 👍

Thanks Chris.

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I'm going to try on my race wheel... no real downside to trying.

Thanks mate. I’ll do what I can.

Thanks. Just think it doesn’t make sense for people to invest in snake oil.

Makes sense, it's good to hear that the new HH motor performs significantly better in high phase current situations.

You are the main person that kept me from being convinced this is all smoke and mirrors. I feel better now.

There is a bus bar across the phases on the new Begode main boards. Super thick, heavy duty copper. Hard to argue with that.

@@roghaj I am pretty excited that both inmotion and Begode are pushing the power levels I am hopeful that KingSong joins the party more competition is always better

I’m always a quick telegram chat away.

You know it!

Usually comes from using your phone during the update. Leave it so the screen stays on and don't touch it :P

@Roger EUC thanks! Alien rides said not to update if not needed. I'm not sure if my T4 will end up doing that chattering thing like the guys from eevee's or chooch experienced. Seeing I've only been able to ride max, 10ft now. 😄 but just trying to be preventive is all. Thanks again!

@@Onelastrun I wouldn't be afraid to update.... Id say use EUC world and do the freestyler firmware... It adds a bit of power and true PWM reporting to Darknessbot. If it fails, you just gotta do the recovery thing. Hasn't failed yet.

@@roghaj awesome! Thank you!

your solution is better, but also way more complicated.

It sounds like you know what you’re talking about. If someone handed you the God mod for free, would you install it?

​@@roghaj No I would not install this, the protection from cutout (which is what this is aimed at, voltage SAG) is minimal and short lived. When people ride the top speed of their machine the power the wheel can provide (battery, control board, motor) is at a maximum, there is no more available torque available should they accelerate. A very short lived (0.1 sec) extra demand through hitting a bump maybe might be helped by this device but that person is riding the edge, would this really make that much difference. Far better to set PWM alarms (80% typical), "Safety Margin" in EUC World. I look at the graph for Safety Margin for my tours to see just how much of the machines capability I was using at any point in my ride. On my S18 in particular I could easily see when my margins were getting thin and what I was doing and where I was at the time. I can adjust my subsequent behaviour accordingly. Experienced riders (and from your videos you clearly understand this yourself) who understand their machines, and the relationship between torque and power from standstill to the top speed can run their margins thinner, and ride according to the risks they are taking (gentle acceleration, smooth surfaces, low wind, zero gradients as they approach the limits) , but even these people make mistakes. One other thing on the electrical front I would add. This device is attempting to address Voltage SAG. The power being delivered to the wheel is in Watts, near top speed this will be near the limit of what the battery can deliver. If demand for current (Amps) is beyond that which the battery is specified its voltage will drop (Voltage SAG). Now Watts=VoltsxAmps. So at near the limit if the current is too high the voltage will sag, but the power required is still the same so in order for Watts to remain the same the current will have to increase which will cause an even greater voltage sag. A vicious circle, which is one of the reasons why cutouts can be so abrupt. Keep adding to this post. Another alarm I set is a current alarm on EUC World, the 50e batteries are rated 9.8A (you can draw greater for short periods) by continuous discharge but looking at the spec evidence of voltage sag is present as early as 7.5A, so I multiply the number of cells in parallel by 7.5 and set the alarm so I'm aware. Of course I can cut my margins as thin as I like 7.5A works for me. My S18 for example is set for 22 Amps.

@@Roskellan safety margin in EUC world is waaaay lower than pwm. it tells me my exn can only hit 27mph at full charge before its unsafe!

@@Blox117 That's interesting, EUC World is a godsend to me on the S18. The S18 being one of those wheels you have to pay attention to in respect to not overpowering it.

@@Roskellan useful for a special case, i think it is way too safety conservative for powerful wheels

Mine is a bit more involved. I just realized I have not been filming any of it. I suck at this RU-vid thing.

Me? I have none 🙂

@@roghaj Thanks. I only wondered because some of your terminology and explanations seemed odd...but agree with your conclusions.

All modes feel the same on my master with and without the GodMod

@@roghaj thats weird. i feel a BIG difference with my v2 master. my v2 master has some pretty bad pedal dipping without it. is there something wrong with my v2 master then?

I’ve only burnt one myself. The other one was from a severe crash that actually cracked the PCB. The rest of the boards all came from other people who I was simply assisting in repairs on. I made a video about the thermal connection between the main board and the main board chassis for the master, master pro, and ex30.

In the discussion groups and forums, a couple of electronic engineers attempted to calculate how extra capacitors could contribute. The conclusions were that they could only possibly for a matter of a few short milliseconds thanks to their lower resistance. But ultimately, the energy capacity of these caps (not super caps) is many orders of magnitude too small to smooth voltage drops where they matter in our application, like during strong acceleration lasting one or several seconds vs the amount of energy drained. However it some cases users observed that they could filter higher frequencies enough to alter the PID tuning - therefore pedal stiffness in some of the modes, which seems to be the reason why they could "feel" the difference. It was not the case for Roger's config tho.

The first thing I did was try soft mode. Didn’t feel any different to me.

@@supercurioTube unless there was blind testing i doubt they noticed a difference

@@Blox117 unfortunately yes nobody completed a double blind test yet on that. Maybe later if that becomes something popular and doesn't simply die off as concept.

There just isn’t much mystery to the thing.

I have it and I'm not keeping it installed.

@@roghaj You bet - I'm basically just agreeing with you and adding extra comments for your youtube algorithm. :)

I would say that the thermal paste thing is only a concern if you are doing low speed high torque things on the wheel. Nice comfortable pads are the most important. If you start doing crazy off road, change the shock/linkage and do the thermal paste mod.

Thank you! Also, should I worry about it catching fire while charging? Is a fire bag or something needed for piece of mind?

It's on EUC UPGRADES (Kevin) channel

There is no way to know without testing it.

I hear there is an effect for a standard S22

Nope, it's snake oil that doesn't do anything

Then I better subscribe with my second YT account

I can already go live.

I don’t plan on doing the type of videos that Mask enjoys. I am a bit shy.

Oh...i thought u needed 1k subs to go live..... my bad

@Roger EUC live is wr its at.... never know wat can happen...

There are so many variables, knowing anything is difficult.

I'm going to make a kit to make it easier to do the mod. Trying to figure out what I should charge.

@Roger EUC You should follow the rule of 2-3x the material cost + 50% (of material cost) to cover man hours of assembly. (Just a suggestion) Thanks for responding. I didn't get the notification.

Might be selling it to a fast paced clown 🤡 very soon.

I think the S22 is mostly software limited. Looking at the board, it appears to have enough capacitors, and more FETs then necessary. When I get to my office tomorrow, I will add up the total capacitance to compare to the master. I did notice that the master will give up much earlier than the S 22 would at maximum PWM. That means when I do a spin test on the master it will stay at 100% for less time than the S22

I saw you on Duff's livestream.

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