Rogue One and Phantom Menacing - Analyzed Review 

OMG I SAW THAT COMMENT "Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans" A FEW HOURS AGO.

you can't blame Chris,,,he didn't grow up with Jyn Erso

I completely disagree that every character needs a flashback or story for them to be interesting or cared about. The fact that people are even interested enough to want the side characters back stories means that you cared about them slightly at the very least. To be completely honest I didn't have any interest in knowing Han and Chewie's backstory after watching the OT but watching rogue one I wanted to know more about all the main characters, apart from the pilot who I didn't really care for as much. Rogue One is one of my favorite Star Wars movies.

I like Rogue One because to me, it isn’t supposed to be a character driven movie, making it unique in Star Wars. It’s definitely a story and action driven film.

I don't understand why you would need to go into detail of why Chirrut and Baze are friends. In the originals no one questioned why and how Chewy and Han were friends.

that phantom menace crowd footage is 100% beautifully hilarious. phantom menace = new wonder of the world

Ok, so I'm from the future, and the Andor Show has made Rogue One even more loveable

It's fine if Han and Chewbacca's friendship isn't explained in 4 movies, but it's awful when Baze and Chirrut's friendship isn't explained in 1 movie...

Stuckmann called this an analysis review and then spent the entire video complaining about how there was nothing to analyse... I think Rogue One is not as good as the original trilogy and TFA, but the way Chris spends this entire review talking down to people who liked it because his opinion is clearly the correct one left a bad taste in my mouth.

Chris, I can respect your opinion/perspective, but you lose me when you say "there is absolutely nothing underneath the surface of Rogue One." "Nothing" is a strong word. This movie, more so than any other film in the series, actually deals with what it's like to live under the oppressive rule of an empire, essentially a Third Reich-esque police state. The rise of the Death Star is like the rise of nuclear weaponry, as I believe the scenes of the Death Star's blasts in this film are almost certainly meant to evoke that feeling of the horrors of the atom bomb. People have gone on extensively as far as how this is like a WWII style war film, and the movie is basically a death opera, meaning it is all about this desperate, last ditch effort by desperate people in desperate circumstances where no one is guaranteed to come out alive. I also think that the movie deals with the concept of the Force in a really interesting way, in that there are clearly people who have some form of religious faith in it without being Jedi, which adds a spiritual layer to the film, and I think this aspect sets the stage for the Rebellion to actually become as united and determined as it is in the original trilogy. Also, I think the argument that "we don't see enough character backstory" is honestly kind of a weak argument. Think about it: in the Original Trilogy, Luke is literally the only character who we see any backstory to, kind of like Jynn. When we meet Han Solo, what do you know about his backstory, where he came from, etc. other than the fact that he is a smuggler, he's in debt to Jabba, and looks out for himself first? In 4 movies with Han Solo, we still know not a thing about his backstory prior to A New Hope that tells us where he came from, why he's a smuggler, why he's friends with a wookie, why he's selfish, etc. and yet he's still a great character. The fact of the matter is, backstory, strictly speaking, is not always the end-all-be-all of character, it has to be a case by case basis. It's all about the story that's being told, too (aka context), not every story needs the exact same formula for character development. Continuing: everything we know about Leia in the originals is told to us, we never see her royal parents until the prequel era and beyond. We are told that Alderaan is peaceful, but never see life on that planet. The whole backstory of Obi-Wan, Vader, and Yoda is told to us through conversations, but we are never told why exactly Vader turned evil or what the Jedi Order even was like. And yet most people still love the originals on the basis that "they don't explain too much." Of course, the prequels later expand on this backstory, but they are essentially another series of films that came much later; for the sake of the originals being what they were at the time they came out, much of their story is inferred to us. Don't even get me started on The Force Awakens either - as entertaining and investing as the characters are, are you ever given a real believable explanation for what makes Finn, out of all the storm troopers, decide to defect? Are we missing something from his "backstory" that causes this to make sense? What on earth caused the rift between Kyle Ren and his family and made him turn? Who the blazes is Rey? I like the movie, but literally everything about it is based on minimalistic, inferential, speculative approaches to characterization. In Rogue One, I think the dynamic between Jynn and her father could be seen as following the familial tradition in Star Wars - her catharsis and arc as a character is based upon her relationship to her father and how this impacts everything. Donnie Yen shows us that the Force is always alive even in the darkest times. The movie shows us how a disparate and conflicted group of rebels can be united by a common hope and cause. That is definitely something.

This film isn’t about the characters. It’s about the overall mission. It adds to the original film. That’s the coolest thing to me.

When people complain about wooden acting in these movies. But also say that the originals were the best lol. The original trilogy is filled to the brim, with wooden acting from every character. It's just it's not been over analysed and people wear rose tinted goggles with those movies.

Why are you so insisting on giving a backstory to everyone? Han Solo never had a backstory in New Hope and he was still awesome.

So, what do we know about Poe Dameron? Oh that's right! He's the pilot.

Just rewatched it. It's my favorite Disney star wars movie

"And maybe it will entertain you for two hours" More than a year passed, half-dozen viewings, two new SW films already came out, and R1 is still my favorite SW movie. I must be phantommenacing too hard.

This analysis shows perfectly how a large group of Star Wars fans uses totally different standards when rating the Star Wars movie generations. The first trilogy is like the holy gral to them. They will always find a way to avoid admitting the flaws of the OT. As I like to say, nostalgia is one hell of a drug! Almost evetything Chris points out as problems of rogue one is applicable to either the original Star Wars (which he loves) or TFA (which he loves). Lack of backstory?! What's Han Solo's backstory again? What's Chewbacca's? How did they become friends? Why are they smuggling? What are they smuggling? Everything we know about them, we learn from Solo's space mambo jambo about Kessel run and parsecs... but it happend '77 so we call it good characterization. In 2017, speaking of Rogue one we call this exposition scenes. Btw Han and Chewie aren't the only ones we get little to no backstory. For example we know nothing about Yoda except that he was Ben's master. We know very little about Vader. Why did he fall to the dark side? What has he done since joining the empire? We know not a single thing about the emperor!!! Who is he? Where did he come from? How did he become emperor? Oh you wonder why Jyn is a ass kicking fighter although she was a little girl a few minutes ago? You know what I wonder? Why is Luke at the beginnig of RotJ a bad ass fighting Jedi with a green sabre when at the end of tEsb he was beaten down to pieces and lost his sabre? Let me guess... there might have happened something in the time period between the two situations... Why is that a problem in today's Star Wars movies when it wasn't back then?! Why do we need to know every bit of history of every god damn side character these days?? Do we have unlearned to use our imagination at some point? For me this was always a major accomplishment of Star Wars. It fuels your imagination. It inspires you to think outside the box. It gives your dreams wings. Explaining everything to death would totally demystify the whole universe! Take phantom menace for example. Up until Episode 1 we didn't really know what the force actually was. It was a blurry vision of a magic power related to a Jedi's feelings. It was an emotional myth. Till EP 1 tried to explain it with bacteria. See what I mean? Lucas tried to explain something that people had used their imagination to explore for themselves. And he failed historically and took almost all the mysterious character of the force away! I want to adress the old footage of EP 1 reviews and the comparison with Rogue One instant interviews. What is that supposed to show. I'm 100 percent sure you'll find the same reactions of people coming out of TFA! Don't you wonder if these reviews will stand the test of time? On the other hand you'll find similar reactions from tEsb audiences and apparently they didn't change their opinions. So I don't see the point in the comparison of these interviews. You will always hear people praising shitty movies they just saw. At the same time people leaving the theaters cursing the movie. Thats ordinary. I get what you mean by "phantom menacing" but have you thought about the possibility that some of the people who liked EP1 instantly, could still like it today? Maybe? I know that late admitting of instant overrating is a thing bit it comes across as a little arrogant that you predict this to happen to a movie, because you didn't like it... I didn't hear you wondering if TFA could be phantom menacing too... I've seen it a couple of times now and lets just say the excitement isn't growing each time...

"Didn't rely on other stories..." Bro, have you not seen the original Star Wars movie? How can someone say that?

I just rewatched Rogue One to get hype for ep 9, and it was even better than I remembered! Not perfect but I gotta say you’re definitely wrong about the whole “Phantom Menacing” thing

I respectfully strongly disagree with everything

Wow. I knew Chris didn't like Rogue One, but I didn't know he hated it this much. I personaly enjoyed the movie.

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than in the comment section of a Star Wars video

I loved Rogue One. It was a fantastic movie. I never thought that a star wars movie without Jedi would be so awesome

I like both of these movies. Phantom Menace was a good first act in a story that introduced a massively enhanced lore, and Rogue One was a grounded, emotional movie that felt like both a Star Wars movie and a standalone movie at the same time.

I never cared about the pasts of the characters in a new hope, but now we need every detail from new movies

Just something I thought of for laughs: (After a brief battle with stormtroopers in Jedha) Jyn to Chirrut and Baze: We could use warriors like you in our cause. Join us. Chirrut: We shall. Jyn: Excellent. Now you must help us- Chirrut Wait! Don't you want to know more about me? Jyn: What? Chirrut: I mean you just met me. Wouldn't you want to hear a little of my story? My friendship with Baze here? Jyn: That sounds nice and all but we are on a very important mission to- Chirrut: It all started many years ago... Jyn: We literally have no time for this! Chirrut: It will only take a moment.(Continues with backstory) Jyn:(Sighs) 30 Minutes later... Chirrut: And that is how I became a guardian and met my best friend Baze. Jyn: Can we go now? Baze: What about my backstory? Jyn: Really? You have both proven to be capable fighters with no love of the Empire. That's more than good enough for me. Baze: Many years ago when I was just a boy... Jyn:( Raging internally) 40 minutes later Baze: And that is how I came to be here today. Jyn: You done? Baze: Yes. Jyn Then let's go. The Empire grows stronger with every second we waste... Cassian: Wait. I have a story I wish to tell as well. Jyn: Are you fu**ing kidding me right now? Cassian: When I was a boy- Jyn: NO!!!!! We've wasted enough time here already. If we don't get a move on soon the Empire will surely-(The sky gets dark suddenly) Baze: What's happening? (Sudden flash of green in the sky) Cassian: What the hell is that? Chirrut: What the hell is wha- Jyn: OH SHIT!!!! BOOM! Jedha destroyed by Death Star. THE END ( I do agree that they could've fleshed out the characters more but having complete back stories is unnecessary in my opinion.)

3:42 Middle-right of picture... green shirt, and the guy next to him with the black shirt... their hands.........

Star-Lord in Guardians of the Galaxy had the same arc as Jyn Erso did in Rogue One. His mother dies of cancer, and he gets abducted by aliens. Then, we see him about 2 minutes later, as a full grown adult, beating the bad guys. But... you loved Star-Lord.

My problem with this analysis is not how he criticizes Rogue One. It's how he seems to criticize *the people who like Rogue One.* He seems to imply that people are only in denial when they say they enjoyed the film. As if there's no possible way people can like it genuinely. I don't think I'm in denial when I say I liked the movie. Maybe in the future I'll hate it. But now I genuinely enjoyed it.

7:55 "Most everyone, myself included, liked Harrison Ford's portrayal of 'Han Solo', and Peter Mayhew as his friend, 'Chewbacca'. Their friendship was a bright spot in the film. Yet, as you might expect, we know nothing about either of them, save for what we're told." *cut to film audio:* "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. I've outrun Imperial starships. Not the local bulk cruisers mind you, I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now." "Why did these two become friends? Why is Han a smuggler? How can they even communicate if they don't speak the same language? Who knows? Maybe a book will go into it one day."

Chris i feel like you once said that Boba Fett was so cool because your imagination just went wild with how badass he could be, even though he doesnt really do anything badass in those original films. But for Rogue One you not getting precise information about a character makes a movie lackluster

Several years later and I still love Rogue One. Did not like Solo or the Last Jedi so I not just a fan boy. I liked the War movie aspect of it. I also respectively disagree with Chris on this one.

I'm not sure how it would be possible but I'd love to a have a educated discussion with Chris on this because while I understand his points I do disagree with them and really would love to talk to other people who have the same feeling toward rogue one. I love rogue one and want to have an educated discussion, not a rant.

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Never agreed with this take. I think Phantom Menace is far from perfect but it's more than a worthy addition to the Star Wars universe. Rogue One is easily in the top five Star Wars films, behind the OT and Revenge of the Sith.

This video could have been 10 seconds of you saying "I didn't like the movie. Everyone else who doesn't agree with my opinion is wrong and blinded"

The character analysis section were all characters from trilogies. They had 3 films to develop their characters. Rogue One is a stand alone film, and had to do it in one film. I personally like Jen's character development

Ok Chris.... So you are saying they should have fleshed out the characters, specifically Jyn as a child. You ask add how did she learn to fight in her years from child to adult. Then I respond by asking how did Rey learn to fight in the force awakens. You see her taken away as a kid from her parents. After that we are just led to believe she knows how to use a bo staff, fly the millineum falcon, and use a lightsaber. OHH RIGHT SHE HAS THE FORCE> THATS GREAT CHARACTERIZATION. With all that aside I do agree though the characters were bland in Rogue one especially the "Pilot".

How was the force awakens that much better than RO? Same criticisms Chris had for RO could apply to the force awakens, and at least RO had some originality and wasn't a formulaic repeat of another movie in the series

Did I have to read a book to love the original trilogy? Did I have to analyze a shot in the first trailer to hate rouge one?

Isn't that the reason why Rogue One isn't part of the Saga? That it is SUPPOSED to be different from other films? Not saying it's a masterpiece, but when I was going to see it, I heard it was a war movie, but set in the Star Wars universe. Like Saving Private Ryan in space.

Chris, like many others in the comment section, I disagree with you and think that you are criticizing Rogue One for many flaws while ignoring those same flaws in other movies. Han and Chewies friendship is never explained. Luke is not well developed in A New Hope, it's until Empire that we get a sense of his fears and him as a person and his conflict with Vader. We know nothing of Rey other than that she's waiting for her family, and she can do more impressive things than Jyn (Mind controlling, flying the Millennium Falcon like a badass, wielding a freaking light saber) without any prior knowledge or explanation about how she does it. On the other side, Jyn is someone who is tired of fighting and running, and is willing to live under the Empire's rule (It's fine to have the Empire's flag flying in every planet "As long as you don't look up"). She later decides to sacrifice herself after seeing what her father had made and realized how evil the Empire was and that her father was never OK with it. I don't care if you liked or didn't like the movie, or if you thought the characters weren't interesting. But I'm concerned that you as a reviewer criticize some things in one movie while giving another one a pass on those same issues. One last thing: I agree that Tarkin and Leia didn't look perfect. However, we need films to keep pushing the envelope in terms of visual effects. The dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were not perfect, neither was Gollum in the Two Towers, but these films showed the way for new types of special effects. Rogue One is the first major film to be bold enough to try to recreate human characters with CGI. They probably could have been better with more time, but I like that they tried, and at least for me, they didn't take me out of the movie, at least the first time.

Wait so you're saying that because I enjoyed rogue one and you didn't, that means I'm in denial about it and must be wrong? that is the most pretentious thing I've ever heard.

I think my biggest problem with this video is at 13:50 when Chris seem to say there is a "good" and a "bad" type of Star Wars fans. Star Wars has such a large fanbase, Chris said it himself at the beginning, of course you're gonna meet people who enjoyed these movies for differents reasons than yours. It might be hard to admit for some, but hardcore fans are NOT the majority. They can't expect everyone to think like them and have the same expectations.

I feel the same about Rogue 1, but not for the same reason. You don't need a 15 minute flashback scene for every character in order to give them a back story...I don't know what's with Chris and his thinking that a fleshed out character means they get a VISUAL back story...weird...

Just wondering Chris, do we ever actually learn how Han Solo and Chewbacca became friends? Why is it such a big deal for Chirrut and Baze?

You can make the exact argument with Han, Luke, and Leia in A New Hope.

But the thing is, Chris a lot of the things you say about characterisation in Rogue One you can apply to A New Hope and The Force Awakens. What do you know about Han Solo or Poe Dameron when you meet them for the first time? How did Han and Chewie become friends? We don't know we just have to fill in the gaps ourselves. You also say that lots of information about characters in R1 is spooned fed to us through dialogue and we don't see it but in ANH we learn about Obi-Wan's friendship with Anakin through dialogue. But we don't see it. We're told about Jyn's past with Saw. But we don't see it. in TFA, the entirety of Kylo Ren's back story is told to us through different characters. And we don't see it. Seeing a pattern here? I'm not saying I don't enjoy these three films, I love all of them, but you saying that the characterisation in R1 is poor when it's not exactly stellar in ANH and TFA doesn't make sense. And then you try to tell people that they don't really like R1 and are just ignoring the flaws like people did with The Phantom Menace? You are just digging a big hole for yourself. My point is, don't make these comments about R1 then act like they don't apply to other Star Wars films when they do. Just because R1 isn't what you wanted it to be doesn't make it a bad movie and it definitely doesn't mean other people's opinions on the film are wrong. This video comes across as very pretentious and condensing and I think you need to take a leaf out of your own book and don't ignore the flaws in the characterisation in ANH and TFA just because you love them.

Chris tell please the backstory sited in star wars movie of Han Solo and why he and Chewbacca are friends?Or the backstory of Leia at that. They also live in the movies present. I m not saying you should like rogue one or that are equal movies but in terms of backstory and knowing their past are the same

Is Stuckmann aware that he's created a meme with this "I grew up with" thing?

What’s Han’s backstory again? That’s right, we won’t know until 2018. You don’t have to know the backstory to understand a character. Chirrut and Base have a really good dynamic that you get through their interaction. Chirrut has been conflicting with Base for years trying to bring him back into the faith. Their friendship being the one thing keeping them together on Jedha as opposed to their duty. Cassien and Jyn’s dynamic is also really good without knowing everything about them. Both had similar upbringings, growing up into the rebellion, but because they were in different cells they had vastly different experiences. Jyn grew up with The Partisans, very much the ‘radicals’ of the rebellion (frequent suicide bombings, not caring as much about civilian deaths) so Jyn doesn’t really see the good of the rebellion. She only sees the anger and hatred that fuels Saw Guerrera and his Partisans, and probably watched many of her friends blow themselves up in the service of the rebellion. Whereas Cassien has been working with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa his whole career, two genuinely good hearted people who are fighting the Empire for the right reasons, unlike Saw. Yes, Cassien has done a lot of bad shit for the rebellion, but he could live with that because he saw why they were doing it. The ends justified the means. They were fueled by their hope and desire for freedom. But The Partisans? For someone raised by them like Jyn, the end goal probably just seemed like a personal vendetta for Saw Guerrera that the people that she grew up with are blowing themselves up to try to accomplish. Bodhi is pretty weak though. And no, I haven’t read either the Rogue one novelization or Catalyst.

Its like every character was properly introduced and explained in The Empire Strikes Back 🙃

Still don't get all the hate for Rogue One, I really enjoyed it.

this is probably the most dislike video from Chris that I have ever seen

Imagine Chris getting that hentai sound effect

Chris I actually agree with you, I don't think this movie would have anything going for if it weren't for the final act. But criticise the movie, not the fans. I'm perfectly fine with other people getting enjoyment out of Rogue One so saying they're deluding themselves just comes across condescending.

Han Solo: No back story. Chewbacca: No back story. Princess Leia: No back story. C-3P0: No back story. R2-D2: No back story. Yet, everyone loved them and still loves them... bigly. Back story doesn't matter when the main story, like blowing up a government super weapon in space with the power of a mystical energy is more interesting. That's why Star Wars played out that way, and didn't start with the birth of Leia, growing up a Princess, then five hours into the movie her getting the plans and then the rest of the movie.

It looks to me that many longtime Star Wars fans are appreciating Rogue One more because it attempted to do something different with Star Wars. While I think the likes of The Force awakens is great, it is very formuliac and plays it much too safe. Rogue One attempted to go for a darker, subdued war tone and i feel that it succeeded in many people's eyes and that's why it's being held in such high regard, as of right now at least. That said Rogue One has some major faults IMO, it had somewhat poor pacing in the first hour, CGI characters, sometimes sloppy editing, mediocre score, heavy fanservice and lack of characterisation (though the latter doesn't really bother me.) These are all valid crticisms that pull the movie down. While Rogue One will still be looked back upon favourably for being a refreshing and different story, the amazing third act, much better use of space battles , the war setting with the rebels, taking a risk by killing off all the main heroes(like, no one in this movie had plot armour), and adding greater context and meaning to A New Hope, i feel that in a few years time we'll all just remember Rogue One as "the one that was different". Will we still remember Jyn Erso the way we remember Luke Skywalker and Rey? General audiences are more likely to gravitate towards the Sequel trilogy with its lighter tone and more memorable characters, and rightfully so, because in spite of its faults The Force Awakens still has better characters, pacing, cinematography, score and manages to appeal to mainstream audiences while still satisfying longtime fans, hence i feel it is still the overall better film. Give Rogue One a rest and eventually it'll settle into its rightful place on the Star wars ranking list: Below the Originals and TFA, but still faaaaar above the prequels. But still, Rogue One is an enormous success and well above-average as a standalone film. I'm glad it exists for the people who couldn't get into TFA. And vice versa.

Rogue One is the best Star Wars film since ROTJ. The reason Rogue One was well received is because it kept things relatively simple, it didn’t pervert the Star Wars universe like TLJ did, it was clearly made for Star Wars fans not the casual viewers, and most importantly it had Darth Vader in it and no Kylo Ren.

This is how I felt about Force Awakens. I came out very disappointed and still don't get why everyone thinks it's so amazing. I do agree that the main two characters in the film are very dull and I didn't care much for them at all. Luckily I did like the other characters and the premise and action.

I appreciate your thoughts and insight into the film. However, Han Solo and his relationship with Chewbacca is an argument against most of what you just posted. And after "A New Hope" came out, what books were released? Books about Han Solo. Just like how there is a book coming out about Jyn Erso. So I'm not sure why that is a criticism. Its actually following the pattern established with the original trilogy. Additionally, Han & Chewie's relationship mirrors that of Chirrut and Baze. In fact, what adds more depth to Baze's and Chirrut's relationship is their belief in the force. They're not force users, yet they believe in it and protect its grounds (what little they can at this point since the Empire has taken over). Chirrut and Baze's last stand in this movie actually brought tears to my eyes because you see, in Baze, faith refound. Baze is once again given something to believe in. This is a very powerful spiritual moment as well that has not been seen in these films and is a huge character moment. When is Han's past mentioned in the original trilogy or how he met Chewbacca? Is Kashyyyk ever mentioned in a side conversation? No, and I'm sure like you, I also have most of the original trilogy memorized from watching it growing up. Han was a smuggler. He captains the Falcon with his copilot Chewie. And he has a price on his head. He also went to Ord Mantell. You've oft mentioned the opening scene with Cassian and how he "callously" shoots his informant. Yet you miss the look that crosses Cassian's face after the deed is done. There's regret, remorse, but a determination to go on for the cause. But he's conflicted, and you can feel it. Plus, he goes through a character arch similar to Han Solo's. At the beginning, he's there to get the job done. Han wants his payout, Cassian is following orders. Yet both go against these instincts to help others. Cassian decides to NOT shoot Jyn's father, even though he knows very little about her and him. Han Solo decides to return to the battle and help Luke destroy the Death Star. You mentioned the missing dialogue from the preview that is not there to help develop a young Jyn. Its unfortunate these lines did not make the final cut. However, think about the trailer to "Force Awakens." In your review of "Force Awakens," you address the complaints about the absence of Luke Skywalker saying the filmmakers never promised Luke would be in the film. However, the biggest trailer for "Force Awakens" was NARRATED BY LUKE. He says how the force is strong in his family, his sister is added to the mix, then he says "You have that power too." So yes, fans expected Luke! We were disappointed by his 5 second cameo (and the fact he was billed HIGHER than Carrie Fisher ??? whatever). Yet you give this absence in "Force Awaken" a pass. Meanwhile, you criticize this film for not including Saw's line from the preview. This is a film about the soldiers who didn't live to see the end of the battle. They're the soldiers from WWII who did not make it off the beach of Normandy. I think its a powerful film that gives you hope but also shows the cost of war (giving weight to the soldiers who did not make it off Hoth or the moon of Endor). Its a unique perspective that I appreciated Disney exploring.

Wait a minute... All of the points you brought up here are also true for Guardians of the Galaxy, but you didn't seem to have a problem with it: Rocket and groot have literally no backstory except that they are sort of bounty hunters. Draxx's backstory is told to us directly by him in a few throw away lines. Gamora is seen with nebula once or twice at the beggining of the film, then we are just told that they are sisters and daughters of Thantos later when she is talking to Peter Quill. And finally: Peter Quill is shown at his mothers deathbed, then runs away and is taken into space, then IMMEDIATLY cuts to a Title Screen and now Peter Quill is StarLord. It doesnt show any of the journey to getting him there. Chris, its not that I disagree with you, all your points are arguablly correct. Im just saying that I think you are digging way too deeply on this one. You usually overlook stuff like this in other movies, so I dont see how its fair to nitpick in this and tell us that all the "True Star-Wars Fans" will be disappointed by this movie.

And you were Phantom Menacing The Force Awakens Chris lol

What a condescending review. “ if you like action you’ll probably like the movie but if you’re deeper then that you won’t like this movie.” Maybe I like both and am more interested in the overarching story of getting the Death Star Plans and watching a fun fan fic movie then the actual characters. I’m not delusional I just watched the movie for what it was and enjoyed it.

Chris I love ya but come on. Jyn goes from only caring about herself to DYING for what her father believes in. Cassian goes from a spy who does what he's told, to thinking for himself. Donnie Yen is a wise archetype character, those are already developed. (How much did Yoda or Gandalf grow as a person across 6 films?) Bodhi is weaker, but again, he goes from a slight coward to actually doing something. Baze goes from a hardened soldier to one who miiiight just believe in the force. If that's not character growth, what the hell is??

Hey, I didn't know I was on a Red Letter Media video.

“It was a great new story, didn’t rely on other stories, really stood on it’s own.” The only reason anybody liked it is because it leads up to Episode 4…

Dude, you compared Jyn's character arc to Luke, Neo and Bourne which are part of fucking trilogies. Plenty of time to develop characters. Rogue One is a standalone movie so it doesn't really have the time to flesh out everybody's backstory. It would probably have ended in loads of exposition which was one of the major issues with the prequels. And finally, could you please tell me how Han and Chewie met?

Be careful not to choke on your own opinion, Chris.

Chris really wanted a five hour movie. But let's be real if they would have fleshed out all the characters like he's explaining the "it was boring" complaints would have been everywhere. The movie was fine now for god sake review Speed Racer (2008) and leave this movie that was perfectly fine alone. Thanks God Bless (:

How I ever could’ve missed this epic Stuckmann video is beyond me. 110% agree!

So watching TLJ doesn’t underwhelm you but this does?

Nobody's Phantom Menacing over Rogue One. We KNOW the characters are one-dimensional. We KNOW it doesn't have much plot. It's a fan service movie. That's why it was made and that's why we watched it. YOU, on the other hand, are SO Phantom Menacing over The Force Awakens.

i respect your opinions but i disagree on many levels

Yep, this has aged as milk …

I try to watch this movie a few times a year and yea so far I still love it

Just waiting on the MCU denial video

You're trying to compare trilogies of character development to one movie. That to me screams amateur Chris.

Now that it’s more popular to talk about the Last Jedi, eventually people will admit that rogue one is about a billion times better than that stillbirth of a film.

So glad to find I’m not the only one who didn’t connect with this film, I thought the whole world had gone mad when people were saying it was the best Star Wars film since Empire. I definitely agree that I like it less each time I watch it.

"I grew up hating Rogue One, it was an important part of my childhood, me and my friends would have sleepovers where we all just hated on Rogue One all night"

While I can agree on his analysis, he does come off as pretentious a bit at times which can put off people who did like the movie.

11:14 - 12:59 That part was hilarious! (and nicely edited)

After all these years i ran into this video. Chris basically is going: "Why do you like it? Why do you like it?! Why do you disagree with me?!!😢 You're delusional! After 10 years I'll be vindicated!!!" Well, it's been 5 years and i still like the movie.

I really don't think people are phantom menacing this movie. It's a great movie.

Why is he hating on Jin because she had little back story but is okay with ray having no back story at all

Hayden christensen in the revenge was good. The directing and script were bad.

I think Chris wants to hate Rogue One so much because fans love it more than Episode VII and now the entire sequel trilogy.

Ray is a Mary Sue with no background(she actually has less background than Jyn), the same mistakes you point in this video apply to TFA.

People complain about having things explained to them. Then when things aren't explained, they complain then too. Everyone is a critic it seems. Were you entertained? Yes or no? That's all that matters

The movie isn't about the characters, it's about the sacrifice.

Since The Irishman and Marriage Story, “a Netflix movie” now has a different meaning

I could use all the points Chris used in his Prometheus explained video to debate with this video. One notable example: why do we need everything explained? And he complained about Prometheus audiences needing to have everything explained to them while here he complains not having enough explanations.

The toxicity of the Star Wars fanbase genuinely makes me cringe. Chris, and others who criticize movies like R1 for that matter, aren't trying to tell you that you shouldn't like this movie, or that their opinions are objectively correct and that they're smarter than you for not liking it. They're simply trying to offer you a different perspective to view the movie from. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Personally, I don't agree with all of Chris' points, but I'm not about to lash out like some hostile fanboy with a Darth Vader toy stuck in my head. Also, I love how the first instincts of a lot of you is to try and shift the hate towards The Force Awakens. I don't care what you think of TFA, it's not going to effect my opinion on R1

Lol I thought for a second Chris was about to say “Yes Vader has a bad scene” instead of Badass😂

I actually loved Rogue One. And specifically because the characters didn’t individually stand out to me. [SPOILER ALERT] When they all died in the end, without me fully knowing them as people I found it beautiful and meaningful. We’ve heard about this event for decades, and never had a face to put along with it, and seeing them snuffed out before even getting to fully interact mirrored that reality of history being lost. Not only that, but there was something so human, so soft and vulnerable and relatable about them simply dying at the end of their own movie. Unlike the stars of other movies, they aren’t immortal, they don’t get to live through multiple storylines and cheat death forever. It is the only movie I have seen to truly make me cry, as the explosion overtook them and I looked outside at the falling snow, alone in my house. It was beautiful :)

The CGI faces are honestly not bad, idk why people keep freaking out over them

I appreciate Rogue One is not a perfect movie. However I thought the not so fleshed out characters and forgettable nature of the characters added to forgotten hero aspect of the film which I think adds to the continuity of the series, for example if these were all badass characters and the reason for the rebels survival then it would lead to many questions around why this was never mentioned post Rogue One. Overall I enjoyed it and don't think it deserves to be compared to the prequel trilogy.

Hey who is in the clip he shows at 15:10? The guy in the trooper helmet? I'm assuming it's another reviewer who wasn't a fan of R1? What is that person's name? I'd like to see his review.

2020 I still love this movie it has a sense of purpose to it, I just love it!!