Rogue Still Good After MASSIVE Nerfs ft. Zalae | Firebat Hearthstone | Descent of Dragons 

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Me go face and wreck decks that do nothing till turn 4 and play 0 tempo on turn 4.

HoukouUkage isnt it always like this in most card games?

@@sunthi9619 yes and no. There's a difference between a meta deck and a broken deck

thats how you know theres a problem

Not me, since i play quest hunter, most of my minions are 1/1 tokens that can just hit face without having to worry about the deathrattles also you guys just have tech in some spell breakers or iron beak owls to completely collapse their combo.

Time to run silences

Been running 2x Earth Shock in all Shaman decks since launch to counter Twilight Drake, now I've just adapted my other decks to run 2x Silence too.

@@HessianLikeTheFabric Priest has the best silence effect in the game, one you actually WANT to run, that's not what they're talking about. They talking about other classes having to run ironbeaks/spellbreakers to break this combo; at the cost of it being 100% dead vs shaman and likely losing them the game if drawn.

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I can't tell if this is sarcasm

@@nickwaldrop563 yes but im also an idiot

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I highly doubt they tested this, seems more likely they were using Cairne and Mechanical Whelps in their testing

@@blahthebiste7924 At this point it's hard to tell if they test much of anything. Like shaman's fully upgraded Galakrond isn't even a thing you have to "figure out," you literally just play the card one time and should immediately see that something is off about the numbers. Maybe all of their testing is just for catching bugs and they've completely given up on even pretending to balance the actual gameplay? I guess if people keep giving them money it doesn't really matter either way, no reason to work hard on a quality product when the average customer can't seem to tell the difference.

I get that impression as well

ive played this deck the worst thing is it isnt a high roll deck, its just a super good unfair deck when i play it it feels like im cheating 10/10

Rogue; always the problem child...

Miracle rogue flashbacks.

@Vinicius Raposo exactly what everyone said about priest...and hunter...and warrior...stop fucking whining

@@bigchungus8845 found the deathrattle rogue player

This is just honestly the most stats they have ever made for 5 mana. I like how they're 4/4 now. The expansion is in theme of high tempo 8/8s.

@@SlakjeJasper Dude it's not about that card

@@SlakjeJasper It's also not an 8/8 but more like a 7/7, since you have to target a friendly minion.

It was pretty obvious Necrium Apothecary is completely insane. Even if you just use them with the mech that summons the dragon it's still probably the best card in the set, and the anubisath version is better.

@@mrsqueak4837 A friendly minion that already attacked and gets transformed into a new minion with 4/4 stats. It's 8/8 in stats, it can clear an 8/8..

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warbringer's a terrible card, don't let it die for apothecary's sins

Apothecary is one of the most overpowered cards ever printed. They should nerf it to a 4 mana 3/5 with the same battlecry, would be an outstanding move from blizzard

It's obviously the 4-drop that lets you cheat out any deathrattle in the game. In wild they don't even use warbringer, they just summon a 12/12 deathwing on turn four to eat the opponent immediately.

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Add to that that 'lowroll' could be easily like Ankha + Anubiseth like one of those games. Still not sure if I find that or Deathwing deathrattle more oppresive, tho the second one is in wild tho i think, so that's actually fine

he said it in the video. If you full fish for a card, you have around a 70% chance to have it by turn 4.

Its been calc'd; 60ish% going first, 70ish% going second. They are extremely likely to have it early.

more like they took two damage from every single fucking deck cause everyone included 2 corruptors no matter the class

What does a malygos warlock look like? Is there some way to reduce costs so that you can play multiple spells with Maly, or do you just try to exhaust them before dropping maly?

@@daweisguy454 yeah. You reduce with Frizz (the guy tht reduces dragons by 2)

@@daweisguy454 They run highlander, but 2 copies of netherbreath. The deck gets you low through Handlock means, then finishes with netherbreath and soulfire. Netherbreath has lifesteal so its insane with spell dmg.

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and that's good. A deck feeling horrible to play against (especially when the vast majority of the player base agrees that's the case) is every bit as viable a reason to nerf it as pure power level considerations.

Problem with these kinds of decks is it's essentially flipping a coin. Where's the decision making/gameplay if games boil down to "Drew apothecary, no anubi = win" or "drew anubi, no apothecary = lose"?

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Why would you touch Anub when clearly Apothecary is the problem lmao

because apothecary is atleast an interesting card. Without anub this deck doesnt exist but rouge still gets to do coop stuff with the apothecary

Stefan Huber Some of the best players, like JAlexander think that the version of the deck with mechanical whelps is even better than this one. Apothecary will be OP as long as there are good deathrattle. It needs the nerf.

They just have to make apothecary only pull deathrattle minions that cost (5) or less... at least off the top of my head, I can't think of a cheap card that is a problem with it. It'll still be strong, but not gamebreaking

@@sunnyhvar1992 There are a few solutions. Increase the cost of the Apothecary (5mana) probably breaks it, as its pretty slow at that point and aggro decks are probably able to burn you down. The card could also, not draw the the DR. Making Anka pretty bad, decrease the multiple deathrattle effect, of getting 1/1 DRs. Or you nerf Warbringer, like reducing the buff, or changing it to only buff a single minion, making the target unreliable.

or just nerf it to 6 mana, where it should have been in the first place

Yeah just nerf the Mana cost. If they get it way later, then other decks have time to catch up. If you put it to 7 it's safe

Card is fine in other decks, just delete the anubasath guy imo

Nah the effect is also pretty neat. Consitency is what makes this expansion fun for me. He could be a 5 mana 2/2

@@SlakjeJasper Here comes the turn 3 weapon into 4 coin, dude, backstab. Is 2 turn 8 mana +6/+6 hand buff worth it? U tell me. I'm kind of surprised he didn't run the 2 mana 3/1 draw weapon.

i get the joke me smart

Same as Leeroy should get hall of famed.

Charge should be allowed to exist. Just because they print other broken stuff doesn't mean Charge is the issue

With this deck at 7 mana, you want to kill your opponent, not play 2 mana 2/2. Also, if you played Anka and 1 mana Anubisath, you're already doing pretty good, this 2 mana 2/2 could be another charger.

when I facing this deck.. it never go past turn 7.

If you get to turn them into 1/1s with Anka, you've already won. See the third game in this video.

That sounds bad, but I can appreciate some good greed. Good on you dude

Feels kinda win more. I just kinda accept the 2 dead draws as being the only downside to this op deck.

Luis Sandoval na, it’s more like quest rogue, except you consistently can get the quest complete by turn 5 and can buff everything repeatedly

Nothing compares. It just needs to draw 1 card and not draw another card. That's it.

Just....Run silence....

Running silence means you die to shamans and face hunters 2 turns early.

@@gloshow4890 "oh cool I drew ironbeak vs Shaman, I literally instantly lose now"

well, the solution to that would be to nerf the anubisath rather than the apothecary. no one ever played that card before anyway, so it's not like it'll be missed

@@etherealg3940 yeah but i remember warsong commander blizz COULD just rotate anubisath one expac early, but i doubt they will

I mean, let's say hypothetically they had nerfed this deck instead and left Galakrond Shaman untouched - then Shammy would just be oppressing the meta instead of this

The invoke twice card was busted and Galok is still an insta win card. They were beating aggro consistently. It was really in need of balance. Rogue got a busted deck too, but Blizz can't seem to balance this class :p

Copying a deathrattle on a 4 drop is weird to me. That card is so insanely busted. There are many high cost deathrattles to be abused. Just the 9-drop used here is enough to base a deck on.

Nothing, people will run silence and this deck will go to t3

@@gloshow4890 "questions are always better than answers." They still draw the original anubisath, they still have the potential to combo with necrium blade (not silenceable) they still have anka. Running four silences in your deck just to deal with this one deck is ridiculous, and reduces your winrate against other decks. And, if you never draw them, nothing changes. Saying "people will just run silence" gives no respect to how busted this deck is. This is easily top 5 decks this game has EVER seen, period.

Sean Jones okay? But you fail to realize only 1 silence absolutely kills their tempo and they basically lose. But anubisat the 4 droop and anka in the same hand is a massive high roll and even if they proc only one anubisat thats just a +3+3 on 1/1 minnions so it doesn’t even change much. The deck might be tr3 or mid t2 when they start running silence

@@gloshow4890 I'd normally agree, but drawing ironbeak/spellbreaker vs hunter/shaman literally kills you. I think the meta is too scary to tech them in. It'd slightly increase your winrate vs this (they can play the deathrattle and necrium blade it so you don't get a chance to interact, so it's not even THAT good) at the cost of losing to shaman/hunter way more. Not worth.

Wow it really is Barnes but better

if people start running silence, people playing this deck can just delay their apothecary turn until they can destroy a necrium blade on the same turn as they play it. and if you want people to tech in both silences and oozes just to deal with this one deck, lemme just say lmao. this deck murders slow decks anyway, so what you'd be suggesting is for aggro decks, the only decks that can reasonably beat this, to ruin their card quality with shitty tech cards, simply to counter a single matchup

@@etherealg3940 'just delay' is a huge deal. The main strength of the deck is to drop it on turn 4 or turn 3 with coin. Delaying it also makes it more likely they draw one of the 9-drops. Moreover, they can start to feel forced to delay because you might run silence. Right now, they don't have to play around it at all, because people don't tech. I am not saying the card is not a problem and should not be adressed; but as long as people ignore it when they build a deck and scream blood and murder because they choose not to counter it at all, I am upset. If people start countering it, and as you say 'just delaying' is in fact still viable (backed up by actuall data), THEN you have a stronger case to demand actions by blizzard. If a single matchup is one of the only matchup you face, you should definitely try to tech against it. Deckbuilding is more then just putting together the 30 individual strong cards and call it a day.

Plague of murlocs the apothecary before they get it off on 6. The game proceeds as normal, they drop blade on 8, anubisath on 9, nother necrium on 10 pop it, my deck explodes to faceless corruptors I can't push through. Running silences is not enough. YOu have to hope to kill them before they get off even one buff and very likely drop one of the 3 heals in their deck that put them out of range if you're burn.

@@painfulelegy812 I feel a bigger issue then is faceless corruptor. Anubisath has never been an issue before. The combination anubisath + necrium blade has already existed before DoD. Also, the game 'proceeding as normal' is a odd, the rogue deck should be pretty weak if it does not manages a early game buff. Can I ask you what your win-condition is?

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That card was never a problem...