Rogues: How to RP Classes in 5e Dungeons & Dragons - Web DM 

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1) steal money from the Party 2) use that money to buy beer for the Party 3) ??? 4) profit

I love the wizard training kids to be arcane tricksters. Using it.

Holy shit.... Robin Steel = Rob 'n Steal... That's the greatest rogue name ever!

After watching this, I'm thinking that the Scout Archetype Rogue might be a better representation of the Tolkien Ranger than the Ranger class is.

The last Rogue I played was actually a lot of fun - a paranoid gnome who had, at some point, boobytrapped his house to the point where he *couldn't get back in* without becoming a master at lock-picking and trap-disarming.

Swashbuckler: "I'm, gonna swing, from tHE CHANDELIER. FROM THE CHANDELIEEEER

Littlefinger from GoT=mastermind rogue with the Noble background?

I used the Rogue class to create Sherlock Gnome, detective extraordinary.

Inquisitive Rogue with a dip in Drunken Master Monk = Captain Sherlock Sparrow. That's my plan, with a Norse Viking twist (they were Pirates too).

I like the idea of a guilty pleasure for all characters, not only the rogue. If it's a paladin, for example, it may be something they have to suppress.

I think the Expertise is one of their greatest features. It enables you to even go as far as kind of "hide" the name Rogue away and play something different, focused on skills. You could expertise on Persuasion/Deception and play something of a Noble or Politician, you could expertise on Medicine/Nature and play a Medic (Healer feat is a plus), History/Arcana for a Lore-master (Ritual Caster feat?), and so on.

How am i supposed to be a wizard-puritan if you keep inspiring me to play all the other classes O'_'o

Admit it, you guys enjoy making the thumbnails more than recording content. Lol

I like how the "Wednesday show" always shows up Thursday morning for me XD Great show as always guys

I started thinking about how a card-carrying thief (aka someone who straight up says "yeah my job is to steal things") could function in a fantasy society, to the point that the Thieves' Guild is considered no different to the Blacksmith's Guild in terms of place in society. Turns out it wasn't so difficult given how frequently dungeons and bandit camps and such are heavily trapped and locked- imagine the taglines "Don't pay 500 gold for a bunch of no-brains adventurers, our discrete and professional thieves will get that necklace back for you for half price! No fuss, no muss, no questions asked. Hire the Thieves' Guild today!"

It's funny that you said "Not every Rogue needs to be a criminal, and not every criminal needs to be a Rogue." I have two character concepts that I have yet to play: Rogue - I will say up front that I HATE the greedy thief stereotype A LOT. I have a special distaste for the greedy Halfling thief trope. Tolkien did it, now it's the go-to for everyone else. Ugh. I wanted to create the concept of a vigilante guild instead of a thieves guild. Essentially, "In a city where the constabulary are on the take, where does real justice come from?" If places like 1920' Chicago and some sections of Baldur's Gate (and very likely big swaths of Waterdeep) are like this, then there would be a social response. That meant that I needed to establish a method where they could watch the city. It meant that the needed a way to get around. They needed a unifying identity. "The Black Broom Society" - A group that are chimney sweeps by day and crime fighters by night. They navigate the rooftops and deliver swift justice from above. The specific character was an elf named "Thorn", who's loyalty was assured as his regional "captain" ("Sweeper") was in charge of his sister's safe-keeping from the authorities and rivals. Less "Batman" and more "Court of Owls", but poor and with better intentions. Dirty faced, dirty hands, but clear eyed and focused. I see Thorn less as a visual of him, and more of what he sees from the rooftops. What he smells and hears. How he twitches when he sees a pouch being nicked, or a shopkeep being cornered for a shakedown. I can hear his retort to a a criminal when challenged for his life choices. "You know, you'd be richer working for us. Probably cleaner too." "I have all the wealth I need, Mr. Bones. I have the two copper I'll place over each your lifeless eyes if I see you in McGee's Butchery again looking for anything other than salt pork." ----- Bard - The Whisper Bard really appeals to me. Why? I am a huge fan of Raymond Reddington from Blacklist. James Spader's ability to turn a monologue into a weapon is incredible. So I thought of a Half-Elf Bard, raise in a Yakuza-like criminal family, who's symbol is a fish kite. These kites, normally symbols of luck, are hung over targets of assassination or other harm. Essentially in a way to wish their target "good luck in getting away". Sakana would have been raised in this environment - born to the way of tattoos and nefarious enterprise. Seeing him in my mind is as easy as thinking about how James Spader would narrate his life. "“I can remember, even from a young age, sitting next to the table and listening to my uncles. That’s what my mother called them. My uncles. I had a lot of uncles. Sometimes they would talk for hours, discussing all manners of business. They would drink, and smoke, and talk. The stories. Tales of murder and intrigue, betrayal and revenge. They were my mythology. And the colours. Gorgeous. They had amazing tattoos. Fish, and water, trees and ladies. Dragons of all kinds. I wanted to be just like them. One day I took the pen and inks my mother gave me for my last birthday and drew all over my arms. Atrocious work, but forgive me. I was six. I sat at the table with my uncles with a blade of grass in my mouth and pretended to be like them. Before shooing me away, they laughed so loud as to draw my near panicking mother from the back. Her desperation to remove me quickly from that table made them laugh even harder." ---- That's how I see characters before a single die is rolled. I want to know WHO they are before I know WHAT they are.

I have to say, everyone did a good job of not spelling rogue as rouge. Give yourselves a pat on the back.

I like dis. Thank you everyone at WebDM for the engaging and familiar content. Keep it up, and congrats on the following you guys deserve!

Wait a minute, Quark and Odo are both Rogues, a Mastermind and an Inquisitive.

I want to make a Kobold Thief, that's probably going to be Kender Lite. They don't steal *from* the party. They might try to steal things *for* the party. "Oh, I love that necklace, but.. No, I don't need it. And it's too expensive, anyway." *Next morning* "Gift for you!" "Oh, it's the necklace! Wait.. How did you get that?"

NPC to me: you’ve got to be the worst rouge I’ve ever heard of. Me: but you’ve have heard of me.

But how can you talk about Inquisitive Rouges without talking about Batman?

Tabaxi Swashbuckler.....Purrrr-fect

My favorite character of mine so far is a thief who goes by the alias One Hand, because he has a robot arm. Every time he meets a boss he will announce himself by asking them if they know the sound of one hand clapping, before smugly clapping with both hands. He can't help but perform a show, so he's a terrible thief in some regards. One time, we needed a map, so we went into a store to buy a map. The guy was selling it for a bit too much for their taste, so his allies stole the map and ran. The shopkeep chases, One Hand stays behind in the empty shop, steals from the place, then finds said shopkeep and pays for the map with money that he stole from the man. One Hand is one of my favorite characters to play as, he's a terrible, but smart thief.

Inquisitives fight by studying their enimies movements, masterminds fight by convinging their enimies to make mistakes. God I love rouges.

i will yell about The Lies of Locke Lamora /The Gentleman Bastards cycle on every rogue vid you make until you read it!

Pruitt, I’m so surprised you didn’t pull out Childermass (from Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norell) as an example of an Arcane Trickster!

I've always thought it was odd that the thief can learn to use any magic item regardless of class restrictions, but arcane tricksters can't. Just an observation.

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Here's a tip for rogues out there, if you steal from your party, don't hold your hands up and say "i'm just playing my character" when the party attacks you or leaves you to die. You are bringing this upon your characters head when you decide that your friends valuables are for grabs, and their feelings are irrelevant.

when I think Assassin or Mastermind Rogues, my mind goes directly to that idea of the sneaky noble girl, like the princess in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon

Scout rogue, hunter ranger, moon Druid, nature cleric. An amazing team.

I was a bit of a mix of the magic wielding Arcane Trickster (given that my Rogue was an actual Arcane Trickster) and the distraction causing Swashbuckler...in that I always ended up drawing attention to me and away from the big threats on our team...mainly the Paladin, Chronomancer, Barbarian and Warlock....I essentially helped either clean up groups of enemies (since I had access to AoE spells through my cards or herded them together for the Warlock to kill in one shot.

No mention of Moriarty regarding Adversaries even after bringing up Sherlock Holmes as an Inquisitive Rogue?

Strength based scout... -Navy seal of the middle ages Boom

Ahhhhh finally! The notification was such a tease, I need my fix!

The Eel in The Malazan Book of the Fallen series is a great example of a mastermind, nobody really knows what he knows or what he's up to, in addition to being surprisingly agile (hence his nickname I suppose).

I created a Rogue 8/Fighter 12 for a level 20 Battle Royale, and he was SCARY at how effective he was. Because of this, I created a character based on this build.

Ya'll are like the Rhett and Link of D&D! I hope you take that as a compliment, because it is! So glad to see ya'lls success and hope that you can do this full time, for the benefit of all of us!

To counter the Rogue stealing from the party members my Sorcerer uses the Message cantrip to constantly tell her "Stop that!" "Don't take that!" As the Rogue has no skill in Arcana and average intelligence she would not know where the voice is coming from... Over time this may affect her tendency to steal from allies (or drive her mad)

Rogue is one of my favorite classes in D&D. It's a shame they have a reputation for being chaotic stupid murderhobo edgelords. That's not how I see them at all. I also love all of the archetypes, but I haven't gotten to play them yet, because all the campaigns I'm in level up really slowly!

The best thing to do is make everyone think you're making a stereotypical rogue, then bam. Chaotic good without a tragic back story.

I finally ask for more than 1 Web DM video a week and it happened!! I feel compelled to make my next character a Divination wizard.

Throw out mention of Nathan Drake and Sully for mentorship inspiration.

This video is wonderfully thorough and I really appreciate you going deep into the RP aspects, that's my favorite part of D&D but so many videos are all mechanics and logistics based. Thank you!

Yes finally! Been waiting for this since the first notification

Rogues are one of my favorite classes in 5e! Excellent DPS and great at so many skills. 😁

Rogues (thieves for those of us who are old enough to remember 2nd Ed and earlier) are easily my favorite class. They get to have so. much. fun. In 3rd ed I developed the theory that really every PC should take their first level in Rogue...because skill points and sneak attack. Things are a little different now, and at times I feel like maybe every other class should just be made a little more roguish, but as long as they're around, I don't think there's any class that fits better with what I want to be doing in D&D.

Rogue concept Ideas for beginners: Thief= Bilbo Baggins Arcane Trickster= John Constantine Assassin= Any Assassin Creed PC Swashbuckler= Jack Sparrow Mastermind=Tyrion Lannister

Had a Rogue concept once, where their "Adversary" was a former city guardswoman / knight errant who was convinced that the Rogue was a serial killer who kept slipping through the fingers of the authorities... People would go missing, or turn up murdered, and the guardswoman would always blame the Rogue, due to an unfortunate encounter long ago, early on in the Rogue's career where an acquaintance went missing...turns out that "acquaintance" was an undercover guardsman, and the guardswoman's partner, to boot. The Rogue himself was actually a bit of a vigilante...not above stealing to survive, but he had a personal code, and that involved looking after his hometown and people who lived in streets and slums. So he does some digging, some investigation to figure out these murders & disappearances... Campaign didn't really take-off...but I think that the guardswoman might have ended up being the killer; using the Rogue as a convenient scapegoat to pin the guilt.

I love the Rogue because of things like Chaotic Good alignment where they operate under their own personal code. That level of flexibility is an interesting game interaction to me. I have played other types, but have always held a fondness for the Rogues I have created over any other characters.

Just a fun story I was reminded of from Pruitt's tale; I was play a swashbuckler, who was honestly a lot of fun. But then we found a pool of mercurial liquid in front of a statue. My swashbuckler found a couple sentences on the back of the statue saying "Fear not, treasure awaits below" and jumped in. You know how Han looked at the end of Empire Strikes Back? Yeah, that

My favorite rogue is nathalie barber. She was a medical prodegy, but in a D&D world that's not a very marketable skill when surgery is far more messy then healing ever will be. The thing ia though, that the underfround can't rely as much on priests and paladins helaimg them because those arw the authorities, so Nathalie was welcomes with open arms, where by open I mean cut open. She is an inquisitive rogue, who's sneak attack is surgery performed at speed on the enemy in combat, and the eye for weakness or whatever is just medical know-how. She has the healer feat, making her decent enough at healing too, though people seem to hesitate getting under the knife, and I can't imagine why...

I see that the Rogue class can cause a lot of problems for some groups not because that it is a problem class but because problem players are often drawn to the Rogue.

I like the idea pulling from Hunter X Hunter with killua this noble family of assasins. How would you try and build that in?

I couldn't help but notice the Call of Cthulhu 7e books on the shelf, as one who just started running it (it is my favourite system as of yet), I must ask, will you make a video about it?

they are good in the DragonAge series.

Read "The Lies of Locke Lamora."

My favorite class and yes my swashbuckler was a circus performer! An acrobat and fencer turned greaseman for heists turned adventurer. One fault included a desire to pull off difficult heists or duel challenging opponents (within reason) for the thrill of it.

I want to make a Goblin Rouge who is essentially the Brain Gremlin from Gremlins 2: The New Batch.

I adore the rogue in 5e since its skill set is so varied that like... It can be SO many things. The thief subclass is perfect choice for a treasure hunter, Lara Croft type. Youre great at getting around and you have this uncanny ability to use the things you find. The inquisitive is obviously, word of God, based off Sherlock Holmes but honestly? Why NOT play it as a guard? Not like "oh I'm an undercover cop" I mean like... Play them as this legit sanctioned detective thats akin to the Al Capone days of the FBI. Play them as a character out of the Untouchables. You are a totally lawful individual who goes through the process. Or you could play them like... Inspector Gadget, or your average "boy/girl detective" trope where you WANNA be a guard bit they see you as some dumb kid. The mastermind could easily be played as a cult leader, or a professional grifter, or if you're not looking to be a malicious kinda person, why not just be a friendly dude? You just need an *in* and you can just be this charming person for WHOEVER you need to talk to. Combined with a Noble or a Courtier background, you can easily play a politician. Personally, my favorite Mastermind ive played was a simple milf hunter. His only goal was to find a nice hot milf (ideally married) he could knock up. He had no ulterior motive than getting his dick wet and enjoying the company of friends and infidelity. From peasants to queens, he was like "I wanna dick the pretty mum and give her my babies too." The rogue has the skills to be whatever you want it to be, and that's great.

Love the thieves cant in the intro!

I'm playing my current Rogue as a Byronic Hero type character. He's a disgraced noble out for revenge against his father, but has accidentally gotten roped into a terrorist plot to reignite war in Eberron. Whoops.

My current character is a Tabaxi Inquisitive Rogue, with the Urban Bounty Hunter background. He uses the skills he learned in his previous criminal past to track down criminals and bring them to justice... for payment, of course.

If you do ever decide to steal from your party members; take this bit of advice. Do *NOT* announce to the whole table that you're going to pick the wizards pocket to take his Scroll of Fireball. You don't have to make that move public. Pass a note to the DM. Tell him your intention is to, *secretly,* pickpocket the scroll; and wait for him to work in your die roll discreetly. Will the party figure it out? As long as you don't fail any of your rolls....idk...how smart are you and your friends? Did you steal your scroll then use it the next day, while standing next to the mage? Was the stolen item used regularly by the player? Also, any class is capable of stealing an item if their friend is fast asleep. Just remember to pass a note to the DM; don't broadcast your motives to the group. You can set the Note Passing precedent early on with lists of gear, background tidbits you forgot to include at character creation, shopping lists, etc. Don't pass your first note right before you pick your "friend's" pocket, lol. Thieves are so much fun to RP.

When I made the last rogue I played, I started by thinking about an interesting combination of skills to take for my Expertise, and landed on Acrobatics and Investigation. I ended up playing a private eye half-elf Inquisitive that had been raised in the circus and oooh boy she was fun!

Remember that an arcane trickster's magical flavor doesn't have to be wizard based, maybe your particular rouge has extremely diluted dragon blood so they have a sorcerer favor to there magic, or maybe they pray to a god with the trickster domain making them a simi-cleric, maybe they're a warlock for a really shitty fiend like an imp or perhaps a baby great one yet to awaken from its cocoon. If you really wanted to dive into that flavor you could grab the magic initiate feat, or even muliclass if you really wanted to, although with just flavor you can make your rouge so much more unique.

Man, that 'Can't resist a Redhead' still brings flashbacks of an old game I played in, trying to unite scattered tribes against an outside threat. Our Crit-focused rogue couldn't say no to a pretty face, and Alexandra had one. no matter how many times she tried to kill us, chuck us into pits full of animals, trap us, etc. he was the ranged guy, and just couldn't bring himself to take the shot. Then one day we'd cleared out a massive Giant Anthill, bare kicking...to find she'd followed behind us with gas. and before she could monologue one of our party memebers tried to kill her with fire. My Trollkin Barb barely managed to break out from a side chamber carrying the only other survivor, that same rogue. Later we found her in a mine, full of traps to stop me so she could talk, knowing our rogue still hesitated. Thankfully I was as strong and bulky as I was stupid, and I was too dumb to pronounce my own name. tanked every trap and wrecked her, crying and angry. we've not had someone play a character like that since. It was all fun and games until everyone else died XD

skirmisher: japanese vagabond swordsman

The 'John Wick' - "underground espinage & assassins universe" comes to mind...

I always have several authorities in my worlds, like the City guards, or The town Guard (bailiff is another good word here, someone meant to represent the local authority or power), the hired guards of noble houses or powerfull individuals. If its a large city then the criminal underworld is its own kind of authority to handle crime (you generally dont want people working outside your boundry as such an organization), the Wizards have their own force for handling Magical situations (Its always them that gets to handle it in the end anyway) and so on. the simple reason for this is so that players have to think about their actions. Go Murder-Hobo without permission in a city and its gonna have reprocussions. Now the players needs to find other sollutions. Might end up as a Murder-Hobo situation, but with the Dukes permission, or the tension of not getting revealed as the criminals and so on. Whatever adds tension and do not retract possible actions is in my mind a good thing.

Han Solo is a rogue since he is a smuggler

I love this series! Can you guys do an episode on what you need on a DM screen?

I’m going into a game in a few weeks where I am playing a scout rogue “Tabaxi” I’m using the tabaxi stats as a stand in for my character, because he’s a red panda that has been given sentience by humans through magic such as the awaken spell, and surgically had his skeleton restructured. Basically red panda version of Rocket raccoon. To say the least, I’m excited !

I've had a few rogue ideas previously that i'm looking forward to doing something with. One is an assassin rogue who was part of a guild of lawmen known as the Hangmen. They were sent after criminals too dangerous or well protected for town guards to deal with. He ran across a Jack the Ripper type criminal when he was in training and was nearly killed. The organization eventually said they caught and executed him but this character didn't buy it and goes off adventuring to try to kill him, leaving the organization because he felt they weren't upholding their code to bring swift death to evil. Another is a junior spy who was brought into the service of the crown after clumsily trying to pick pocket the sovereign's spymaster. She was a bored noble girl, stealing because it was fun. He arranges for her to join the crown's spies. She's fiercely loyal to the organization, not the crown, for giving her something interesting to do and a direction to go in her life. Then there's that spymaster himself who I have worked up as more of an NPC in one of my game ideas. He however, is loyal to the laws and interests of his nation. Not his organization or the crown. He's willing to do terrible things on his queen's orders, but only so long as she is acting within the parameters of what their laws allow. He's not opposed to removing her from power either if it becomes clear she isn't doing what's best for the nation. Lastly there's an NPC information broker I have in mind who, among other things, runs a brothel and uses that as a cover for a lot of her work and providing the players with jobs.

Here's and idea I have turned into a character. So I have a Ferel Tiefling, obviously a rogue, and while he is certainly motivated by a strong urge to steal shiney things, his main goal is to find his fellow Tiefling rogue partner who got captured. So while he's a scoundrel and thief, his primary goal is to get his girl back. How's that sound?

Here's my issue with rogue's! They're flavoured like criminals, I always thought that's I'd never play a rogue because I didn't really want to play a sneaky character who is shady, I assumed this because of the assassin and thief subclasses and I was just like "wotc just want rogue's to be criminals" but then when I was planning a pirate campaign I ran into the "swashbuckler" I checked it out and I was like "this isnt shady at all" but the archetype and core abilities make them seem to fit a play style but the subclasses themselves flavour the crap out of the idea of the rogue. Also, no one said I have to use expertise for stealth....

I love playing rogues, I just with people would stop playing them so they can steal from the party.

I just thought, why is it called the Wednesday show? It always comes out on thursday.

Casting Rogues from popular media (cuz it's fun) Assassin - Jackal from the movie The Jackal Arcane Trickster - John Constantine from Hellblazer comics Swashbuckler - Westley from the movie The Princess Bride Inquisitive - Sherlock Holmes from the movie mostly because of the combat descriptions Mastermind - Moriaty portrayed by Eric Porter, The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes (just a preference) Phantom - Shang Tsung from the Mortal Kombat games Scout - Atreyu in the movie Neverending Story Soulknife - Psylocke from the X-Men comics Thief - All the characters in the movie Ocean's Eleven

Do Barbarian next! Crom Demands It.

Great video but... Please for the love of god talk about Shadowrun more

Well my kobold Rouge, he knows that people don’t like Kobolds but since he grew up in a sewer gang consisting of a halfling, gnome, 3 human kids, and himself he never knew why the upper livers don’t like him outside of the occasional rumor. Since he’s part of a low key street urchin ring, he DOES NOT WANT TO BE SEEN! He does take what he knows won’t be missed much or something he knows he can get away with. He sees stealing as dangerous, something to be attempted only if safe or if necessary. He hates leaving things up to chance. So say if the party is doing a 3v3 drinking contest he’d watch from the back and if it looks like they might lose, he’ll subtly cast prestidigitation to soil the opponents drink.

I've actually come up with an idea based off of what you said about your Robin Steel character. And also Batman and Robin. Basically, there's a wealthy, mostly unassuming Half-Elf. To the public, he's a well respected businessman, but in the underworld, he is known as the Master of Crows. He would be a Mastermind Rogue, controlling the Thieve's Guild in the hope of keeping crime under control, and ending the corruption among the nobility. Every once and a while, he finds an orphan, boy or girl, of any race, and raises them to be one of his Crows. They act as the spies of his network, doing specific missions given to them depending on their individual skills. One might be an expert thief, one might be the infiltrator and assassin, and one is the problem solver. While they are mostly autonomous, they are required to feed information to the organization, and do whatever the Master asks of them. My character would be the first of the third generation of Crows, a fellow Half-Elf that has the Thief archetype. He would have two fellow Crows, an Assassin, and an Inquisitive Rogue. (Again, they're heavily inspired by the Robin's.) His adversary would be the Assassin, who went rogue and seeks to change society through much more brutal means. And of course, his guilty pleasure would be redheads (try and pick out which Robin my character's based on, hehe.) I think it's a pretty cool idea, and I would love to use it at some point.

I really want to play an arcane trickster that is role played like a stage magician. Using the rogue expertise in performance and slight of hand.

heres an embarrassing/funny moment. i had archers riding giant bats attacking the party, and the storm cleric casted BLINDNESS on the giant BAT

Late to the party with this comment but the depiction of Bilbo Baggins deserves a lot more attention. He starts out as an ultra-respectable, moral member of hobbit society when Gandalf names him a "burglar" for the dwarves. Interesting that they require one at all. And he goes on to live out that role, but in a very ethical way. He is sent to steal from the trolls, steals food etc. from the wood elves (apologizing to the elf-king at the end of the book) and "steals" the dwarf prisoners/barrels from them. He steals the first bit of treasure (a gold cup) from Smaug, igniting his wrath and drawing him out to be killed, and then even steals the Arkenstone, hiding it from Thorin, before giving it to Bard in an attempt to resolve the dwarf/elf/man conflict. He sneaks around wearing his invisible ring and stabs with his small sword Sting. Here is a fellow who plays by the rules but at Gandalf's behest assumes the role of a burglar and rulebreaker, for unselfish, ethical purposes. And the laws of society prove unjust when he returns to Hobbiton, witnessing the wholesale plunder of his house and possessions under authority of a law firm and the laws of the land.

Got an idea for a Thief with the Urchin background. Basically, he's a half-elf, abandoned by his parents for being a bastard. Being raised by a veteran thief, he was taught that if he finds something to steal, it's obvious that the person doesn't need it, or else they would have hidden it. So occasionally, if one of the party members gets sloppy he'll "steal" it, before giving it back to them and say, "Hey, I'm giving this back, but be more careful next time. The next guy may not like you so much." And he will occasionally do it to normal people too, to keep decent people from being taken advantage of.

I’m planning on building a Swashbuckler Rogue who is a reformed criminal who now works in the food service industry as a server and performer (musician/singer.) Yes I got this idea from tik tok, lol.

I'm really sick of the brooding, black leather-clad, dagger-wielding, assassin/thief cliche that rogues have become in RPGs. To me, a rogue is someone unconventional and creative, and that doesn't necessarily mean they have to be sneaky or stealthy. I wish more people could see just how versatile they are.

😁played my first pure rogue recently. I was a retired investigator (SCAG) Firbog obsessed with building his library. He was a scout with the observant feat. I could find it, whatever whoever wherever I could find it. Firbog have weird naming tradition where you are just called what you do, so I was just “Investigator” but the local kids called him professor hemlock, because I had a side job as the apothecary (poison & herbalism)

Mega episode!

There are a bunch of games driven partly and primarily by player conflict. If everyone in the group accepts that PCs will confront and fight one another. It usually goes both ways. "Right, your kender has stolen all our food and sold it. My soldier is going to try and grab 'im and drown him in the pond."

Thinking about it, my rogues have never been from a criminal background. They're scouts, detectives, dungeon delvers, treasure hunters, circus performers; but never scoundrels.

Swashbucklers are the best rogue archetype for me and my best friend, he's a big Fan of pirates and I love historical accounts of the three musketeers and the swashbuckler is basically both (I even use a gun or a crossbow depending on the setting). So when we play them, we play charming characters who are great liers, full of conviction for me and full of stupidity for him and it's funny running across the world annoying people with a party of just two swashbucklers

"... some event of some kind pushed them into roguery" lmao

I made my Inquisitor with a 3 level dip into inquisitive rogue and 17 levels into paladin

I have literally been waiting for this one since I saw the first rp video

I made a Guild Enforcer/guild hitman who pulls the whole "I'm a just a hubble tailer" from DS9.