Roland Jupiter Xm's hidden Prophet 5 😱 

That's pretty cool you were part of synth history... but as for your stealing comment - are you saying @j3po stole your patch, or I (by my random settings after hearing *his* patch) stole from Tight Mars? Because the Prophet 5 preceded the Jupiter 8 by 4 years and has always had a "brassy" flavour, because now I'm starting to wonder who stole from who :)

@@alfiedotwtf patches were developed way before.. We were a freelance studio, but had contracts to develop for Roland USA.

@@Iron_Lion_Of_Zion that's pretty cool. So I'm guessing your team developed them for the Jupiter 4 then given the timeline? And when you say stolen, are you saying *all* brass sounds are just those settings that sound similar to @j3po?

Ha, awesome :) Yes the Fantom has Zen core, but would work too on SuperNatural synths like the Integra etc

ha, thanks! Hopefully it helps you on your journey :)

Yeah, I see that now playing with it more. Thanks for that!

Yeah, and the Integra-7... but there's something about having it (almost) knob-per-function... I've never had a Jupiter so can't comment, but the comparisons done by Ujiie Katsunori sound pretty spot on. Funny though... it's 2020 and you can now buy brand new, a Jupiter, Prophet 5, an Oberheim, a 2600, and a MiniMoog :)

Thanks! Yeah, I've been meaning to do a supersaw video but just haven't found the time. I'll try to do one this weekend. From doing quick comparisons of the supersaw to other RU-vid videos, I've found it to be close in character too!

@@alfiedotwtf Great, thanks for your effort. I'm into Deep House and Trance and I know the jupiter Xm will be great for Deep House. but I doen't know if it will suit Trance.

@@riemac2 From what I've been able to get out of it, it's awesome for trance 🙌

Hey @benja, sorry but I no longer have the Xm. But it did do a good Moog... there are a few RU-vid video going through the filter types, but I would say see if you can have a go in person... it's a big machine with lots of functionality!

Not to mention in scene settings there are "offset" settings... which is even more confusing. It makes no sense because there is no way a user is that rational to think ahead and decide at the beginning whether he wants to fiddle only a bit on scene level, or heavily on parts. As the example above, sometimes lfo rate is what is called "vib", sometimes rate of the the part, sometimes rate of the partial lfo. Sometimes "not available"... Have you figured this stuff out?

@@curtc6563 hehe yeah :( it takes time... once the anger builds up after you've got things sweet and then you press the wrong button and it says "Berlin Night", you want to throw it across the room. But over time you realise exactly what you want to do, quickly plan in your head how to get there, and then it becomes muscle memory! As for "4 partials are not oscillators but whole synths", yeah that's a really good way of describing how it works 1/n

At first it just does not make any sense - why the hell would you want 4 whole settings just to get 3 saws for a phat bass, but after a while when you start diving deep, it suddenly clicks and you think wow you can stack this so damn high! Once it clicks, imaging all the possibilities - 1 J8 saw with filter half open, 1 SH-101 saw detuned filter even more closed. You can't get that in *any other synth*, even on the System 8!

That was a silly example, but imaging the first partial is an RD piano, but second part is a Juno pad. And this is only on a single part, and you have 3 left for other sounds! Sounds silly, but why would you want that? You can control all these different parts via different MIDI channels! The Jupiter Xm is really 4 synths in one unit, and each "synth" can be itself 4 oscillators playing the same "part". Mind, blown!!

@@alfiedotwtf anyone should agree function-wise this is by far the strongest synth ever. It is just that lack of interface design drives people mad. No idea why they choose long list design instead of commonly implemented screen plus knob-accordingly in diff context paradigm. But yeah what you said is true. I am gonna dive deeper and see if i can get over this negative impulse...

That video is using the JP-X model's PCM engine, which yeah is tedious, but also deep. The JP-X model also has a VA engine, allowing access to essentially all of it's possible engines in one part. But that's only when you want to deep dive. Otherwise, if you just stick to the Jupiter 8, Juno 106, SH-101, JX8P, and RD, it's straight forward and almost knob-per-function. You'll need to use the function key to access the other oscillators compared to the Jupiter X (I believe there are seperate buttons per oscillator), but it's the same sound engines underneath. I would have gotten the X if I had the money at the time, but I'm pretty happy with the Xm and have zero GAS for the X (you may be in a different position)

I've had the full Jupiter X for a month or so, what I did to get around this issue was to set the first four scenes in bank 1 to blank init patches for each of the pre-loaded engines (excluding the XV and RD engines which I never really use). I started filling up the rest of the buttons on that side of the synth with my most commonly used patches/scenes so all I have to do to start a new patch or recall an existing one is hit one button that's accessible right from the moment I turn on the keyboard, no menu diving or combination keystrokes required. After setting it up like this pretty much the only time I ever use the menu is to adjust system settings or to save a new patch. I'm sure there's better ways of doing it but this way has worked well for me.

@@gmannewsom Yeah, setting up saved init patches is a nice shortcut! Nice life hack :)

wow, thanks for the kind words!

@@alfiedotwtf your welcome, great work 👍🤗

The "S" filter definitely has *that* character, but I think if you want *that* sound, the oscillators need to be there too

Yeah. I ended up selling it about a year ago though, and I've regretted it EVER since! Damn it.

Ha. Without starting a flame war, I'd say the Xm pretty much is an upgrade to the System 8 (yes people will say that the System 8 is more accurate, but I'm fine with close enough). I'm not familiar with the Fantom, but it looks like the Fantom hase SUPERNatural like the Integra-7 which is amazing. As for JDXA, yeah it's nice... but I think the System 8, Xm, and Fantom are beyond it's league. As for System 8 vs JDXA vs Fantom vs Xm vs X? I'd go for the X or the Xm, but that's my needs... if you're a stage performer, maybe a System 8 or Fantom is more suited?

@@alfiedotwtf thanks a lot for your insight! I'll meditate over this a little bit and then reshuffle my rig. Biggest bummer to me with the XM are the tiny keys...

@@FrankyGun Yeah :( But I find after about an hour my brain adjusts... maybe think about getting a MIDI controller, that way you've got the best of both worlds

@@alfiedotwtf I got the Cpmplete Control s61 - but used it only with Steinberg and VSTs - maybe, I had the perfect solution already there, but could not grasp it....???

@@FrankyGun The s61 is a very nice keyboard! As to VST vs hardware, that's all up to you. Maybe have a look Arturia's V Collection if you're still unsure. The demos are playable and you can see if that's the way you want to go instead? (on the plus side with V, you get *far more* options to play with :)

Hi Nicola, sorry I no longer have a Jupiter so can't help you out there (try Reddit or GearSpace). But from memory, each part is one of the numbered buttons, and then you have to hit a button combo together to get to the individual partials 1-4 (or there's also a menu dive where you press Right a lot of times to get to them). The cool thing though with the Jupiter/Juno X is that you can also select partials together so that settings are changed at the same time.

Hello Nicola, same happening here… did you already have an answer for that question?

@@igorgodinho1279 @nicolapedreros6278 it's on an older version of the Jupiter Xm which did not have the actual JP-X model. The model used is the standard Zen-Core model (like in the PR-A -> PR-D banks).

it's on an older version of the Jupiter Xm which did not have the actual JP-X model. The model used is the standard Zen-Core model (like in the PR-A -> PR-D banks).

Thanks for the reminder... I was going to make a video, but Christmas got the better of me.

Unfortunately it's only a PCM, andI think it's only a single cycle. Yeah, would have been nice if it was actually a free-running, synthesized waveform!

@@alfiedotwtf why is this synth getting so much hate ? I think its great but it seems lot of people dislike it.

@@Bigjuggs64 there was a lot of hate early on when it was announced but not released. Then there were the comparisons to the System 8. I think if you're going for pixel-perfect matches, the System 8 wins. But if you're going to close-enough but 4-part multi-timbral with "age" knob, the X/Xm wins hands down... and that's not even considering the included XV-5080 and RD!

@@alfiedotwtf I saw lot of people bashing it saying its a vst in a box..But I don’t know much about analog synths so I want to ask you does it really not feel like a real synth because its not analog ?

@@Bigjuggs64 I think the analog vs digital debate is long gone. Check out Starsky Carr's video on the whole subject. Digital synths these days, especially the X/Xm, can definitely sound analog! Put it another way - I sold my OB-6 because I was happy with the Xm's Sequential modeling, and could emulate the OB-6 using another "partial" as the fizz

Check out this video which explains how to do it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nL2cnTXppok.html

you need a midi out to control xm, i use novation slmk3, its the best controller for xm

@@omenarya4221 OK, I connected the XM to my computer by USB and I got an M-Audio controller that's connected to the XM by a midi cable. It all seems to work, now I just gotta force myself to practice

To be honest, it's a pretty sweet machine. But if you're interested in the same sounds but cheaper, take a look at the MC-707. A bit more awkward, but there's also the MC-101

@@alfiedotwtf do you have an answer on how to make the xm let you loop your chords ? Heard you can’t really loop your chords in real-time you have to punch it in.

@@andycarrillo48 loop a chord? hmm... I haven't tried, but you could probably do a hack with the step sequencer or arpeggio? But I'd probably use an external sequencer because it sounds like a lot of work to get it done

@@alfiedotwtf yea i saw videos saying you have use the menu system to do that. i have a jdxi so i thought it was going to have the same sequencer or loop features. you know a good midi controller that loop for me, and will it be able to still play the chords without a daw ? im trying to do it dawless i would like to have the xm and a midi controller with keys and looper in it just to experiment, i dont wanna look at a screen all the time. also the midi has to be more than 37 keys like 50 to 60 something.

@@andycarrillo48 hmm... sorry, I don't know much about that I'm afraid. I do know that Arturia make some of the feature-packed controllers. Maybe a Keylab is what you're after. Take a look at RU-vid reviews on them, and they come in different sizes

I totally agree, but it's as close as I'll get without dropping $6k AUD 😅

@@alfiedotwtf I dig, completely. :)

Yes! If you want a closer synth to the originals, then the System-8 is probably a better comparison to the OG, but the Jupiter X/Xm is very analog sounding and definitely has the OG character. Check out Mr Tuna Music's comparisons.But full disclosure, I sold the Xm and now have a Prophet 5... but to be honest, I probably should have bought an OB-6 instead :(

I wish. There's none of that lovely fizz here unfortunalety