Rolex Submariner Vs Ginault Ocean Rover 

You didn't talk about christal as well...

Very nice review, I have a Rolex 16600 and a 16613. The genault is very well done. I plan to pick one up as well. Btw the 16613 also has a gold colored background on the date wheel. They went to a white background around 2007.

I agrie 100% with Alex Yoon abut the megnefecation in tha date! Withe out quality megnefecation and AR coting It's very disterbing to read the date.

Why "america" and not just say "USA"?

I really enjoyed your honesty, and knowledge. Well done. 👍🏽

@Abe Froman no not really. The watch on my wrist says otherwise. I own a rolex explorer 214270 and to be honest apart from the movement the fit and finish of the Ginault is just as good.

@Abe Froman I couldn't care less where it is made. If it is made in China then it is a massive compliment to Chinese manufacturing. I bet you have never owned one or seen it up close and personal.

Thanks for watching Roamy. You're right it's hard to put a number on it. I've had people ask, is the Submariner 2x better, 10x better? I can't really put it in those terms. All I can really say is yes the Submariner is a higher quality product, you can see it in the video and especially when you hold them both in the hand. But, the Ginault is a really well put together watch and for the price it seems like a lot of value.

Thanks for watching and glad to hear the Ginault is still going strong for a year.

What about trade?

Someone said something to the effect of, "It's half the quality for an eight of the price." It might be better than half of the quality but it's a good way of looking at it. The Ginault is a very well put together watch, and for the guy that loves the Submariner aesthetic but hates the Rolex price, it's the probably the best possible option out there.

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Agreed. We almost all want a Sub, but what % of us can actually afford one! For 8,000 dollars, I can pay off almost an entire year's worth of rent.

Who can afford to pay bills when there's so many watches to buy!

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Rent trumps a Rolex in my reality and I hate like hell to even say that because deep in my heart I have to agree with you.😂😂😂

I went a different direction on my first new Rolex and bought the Explorer II 216570 42 mm Polar. I'd always loved/liked the Rolex Sub but sort of found them to be too common after many years of lusting after one. Now that I had my new Rolex I still liked the Rolex Sub but did not have the means to buy one (man can't live on Rolex alone). So I did go for the Ginault. I like the slight differences between the 2 brands and Ginault's decision of using 3 eras of Rolex Subs to combine into this version.

I like the analogy between guitars. I'm looking to upgrade from the Seiko 5 of acoustic guitars (Epiphone DR100). I'll have to look into the Eastman you mention I wasn't familiar with them.

@@JustBlueFish I have the E10D, Adi top, Mahogany back and sides, x braced. It's basically a D-18, though the D-18 has a Sitka top unless you spend even more $$$ to the the Adi top. Great guitar. Good luck.

@@chrispauls6759 Thanks for the info appreciate it.

I think they were off by a hair, but I tried.

Thanks Doug. I agree you have to look very closely to see the differences in quality. It's like half the quality of the Submariner for an eight of the price.

Good choice on that no-date Ginault, it's a great watch.

Thanks for watching trevor. Good to hear your OR is still working well after a year of use.

If that’s not an endorsement for the Ginault I don’t know what is. Thanks for watching buddy.

I've had both and I agree. Do I love my Rolex, absolutely!!! But for a 3rd of the price, I can set my Rolex aside for when it matters and where my Ginault proudly, jr

Thanks for watching and sharing your experience with the Ginault Jon.

He will eventually get on your nerves and you will unsubscribe. The guy constantly uses back to back synonyms when he structures sentences. That combined with the grunting and throat noises that make you feel like he's doing the review while taking a deuce will get under your skin over time.

Thanks Greg I appreciate it.

Thanks for watching and very well put perspective on the historical importance of the mil-sub and how it ties into this watch.

Thanks for watching Dan. I like homage watches in general, but it would be very interesting to see what Ginault could do with an original design and the same level of quality.

Yeah it is pretty great. If a person likes the style of the watch, it's good value.

Hyundai has also more than half the quality of Mercedes at a much lower price, but that doesnt make it a winner and everyone still wants the Mercedes.

Ron Power in a car analogy it makes perfect sense. But to use Hyundai and Mercedes to Ginault and Rolex? Not so much.

So close in quality for the price. If they would put a sapphire bezel or ceramic I would have purchased it already.

Ron Power Oh shut up... Hyundais have been leading the way of introducing technology at a lower cost to its customers without sacrificing quality. Their cars range from $17,000 to well over $70,000. Lots of people still want a Mercedes-Benz, however, lots of people buy Hyundai as well!!!

I don’t know if they’re planning any updates or modifications to the watch, but I bet you could email them and ask.

There were a few things I didn't touch on in the comparison. If I could go back and do it over I could probably have another 10 minutes of content that I forgot or overlooked, but I think I hit on most of the major aspects that needed to be covered. Regarding the Steinhart, I've only reviewed 1 Steinhart. I reviewed the 42mm Ocean One a while back, and compared to that watch the Ginault is significantly higher quality in terms of build quality. That's not to say the Ocean One is a bad watch, at its price point it's quite nice, but it's not to the level of the Ginault.

I like both styles, but if forced to pick I prefer the super-case on the new Rolex models.

Thanks Brian I appreciate the feedback. Keep that Ginault in rotation. It’s a top notch watch.

@Me La Pelan exactly that’s why my Rolex tool watches are scratched to hell ..

Thanks for watching.

I’ve had my ocean rover since 2017. I swear it barely misses a second per day. My seadweller is pretty consistently +3 seconds per day. May have been luck of the draw, but besides my GS spring drive, the ginault is my most accurate watch

Yeah I think the red seconds hand would look great on a black on black model.

Talk to other Ginault owners, including myself. I will never sell my Ocean Rover. Rolex messed up with the wider case lugs and they do not offer the sand lume or the Mil-spec hour hand like the Ocean Rover. There is nothing tangibly better about the Submariner!

Thanks.

Thanks!

Thanks for watching I appreciate it.

Sure I’d be happy to. Let me know via email,when you’d like to send it over for review.

Yeah the Submariner has a glide lock clasp.

Every Rolex I've had has had some issues. They are no where near perfect, and for the price they should be nearly perfect.

The Rolex counterfeiter makes a better Rolex than Rolex

Brian Yee idiot

Thanks Chris, I appreciate it.

I did when I got it. Ran within specs.

@@JustBlueFish Nice to hear, thanks.

Which Marine Master, the SBDX017? That watch was discontinued a while ago so it's gonna be harder to find. It's also much more expensive, even when it was in production. Aside from that they are very different watches. The Seiko is a 44mm watch that is 14.5mm thick. The Ginault is much smaller, which may be good or bad depending on your perspective. I haven't spent any real time with the Marine Master so it wouldn't be fair of me to say which one is better than the other, but I would expect that for the price the Seiko should be a higher quality watch.

Seiko Men's 'Prospex' Japanese Automatic Stainless Steel Diving Watch, Color:Silver-Toned (Model: SBDX017)

I found a place to buy one the japanese version for 1900 dollars brand new.

ok thanks

Ideally having both a 5 and a 6 digit Sub on the table would have been great, as there are design elements from both generations used here. Sadly I don't own a 5 digit or have any friends near buy to have loaned me one for the video.

In truth it would have been ideal to have both the 5 and 6 digit Rolex on hand, since this Ginault shares designs from both.

Thanks for watching.

WAY more QC issues on the Tissell than there are on the Ginault.

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I’d like to, but I don’t know. I haven’t heard from the people from Ginault.

Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it. I’m not familiar with Orange Watch Company, I’ll look them up.

Like I stated above, not everyone is into ceramic yet. Breitling has just gotten into the game. I've had many ceramic watches and there are trade off's. Ceramics don't fade and can be beautiful to look at with their high gloss, yet they shatter easily and do scratch. Aluminum bezel, as in many classic Rolex GMT's, age in a way that makes them classics and desirable, even though they may be prone to scratching. jr

I don't know. The Oris has a lot of things going for it. A nicer bracelet (but perhaps not the clasp), ceramic bezel, a more unique design. Of Course at full retail the Oris is more expensive. If I didn't have a Submariner and couldn't conceivably afford one I might very well pick the Ginault because I love the design. If I was less of a Sub fan the Oris might be the one I pick.

Thanks for offering your opinion. I am wavering between the Monta, Ginault, and Oris in the $1000-$2000. I am also considering making the jump into acquiring a Omega Seamaster Professional 300 or one the Tudor Black Bay pieces.

After handling both, I personally went with the Ginault. I think it has that quality "feel" which we seek in timepieces, more so than the Diver 65. I am a big fan of Oris; I have a F1 which I will never be rid of- but in this particular case, I vote Ginault.

mrfuriouser Thank you.

Make the jump... you won't be disappointed👍

It’s hard to put a number on it, especially because we can’t truly compare the movements. The Rolex 3135 movement might be 10x or 20x the the quality of what Ginault uses. But not including that, yeah it’s pretty close.

Oh I haven’t reviewed Monta yet, but hopefully I will get a chance in the future.

Thanks buddy, glad you liked the review. How are you finding the Steinhart is working out for you? Pretty happy with it?

Yeah it's not bad .. you can decide for yourself: shipped it out today so you'll have it maybe by Monday! For me to note:Better lume and bezel than previous Steinhart's I've had.. face/hands remind me of a Tudor Pelagos for some reason, if only it had the flat flush crystal .. Cons so far, no AR coating I think? .. and for some reason the clasp when I sit my wrist on the desk to do server work seems to dig into my wrist .. So let me know when it shows and what you think!

I haven't looked at too closely at how they do on the resale market, but if you can find one for that price that would be a strong value.

I seen couple about that price already might get on it

Like Rolex copied the Fifty Fathoms all those years ago?

Thanks WoT:J I appreciate that. It’s definitely a good value, if you get one I think you’ll like it.

Ill look into it, seems they do a bit of discount often.

I sssume someone has.

Bold statement.

For cheapskates it is.

@@llai8501 If you take the name off of the dial, the Rolex is just an OK watch honestly. I've handled a ton of them, and they are nice, but they are $2,000 nice at most.

because you have ginault not rolex.

I've put them both on my timegrapher. The Rolex runs impeccably of course, the Ginault also show's a good reading but not quite as solid as the Cal3135 in the Rolex. As far as 1-5-10 years from now I have no doubt the Rolex will be the long term winner in that regard.

A used Rolex with no glide lock is still 800% more expensive than the Ginault. I’m never spending $10k on a watch….that’s getting me halfway to a solid driver 65-68 Mustang coupe. $1200? I could spend that…….which is where the Ginault comes in.

@@Jedi391 not everyone can spend that kind of money on a timepiece but some can

@@pdg61met and many (like me) could but never would. Of course many also spend the money who really shouldn’t.

I talked to John at Ginault about the AR cyclops. They said they were looking into it but at this time it would add about $200 in cost to the watch to make that small change. I don't know if they will offer a model with it in the future or not.

Do you mean the 9's on the date wheel? Since today is the 9th and they're both sitting here in front of me, I can say yes they look pretty much the same. Thanks for watching Tyler.

At some point someone is going to make a watch that meets and even exceeds the quality of the Rolex at a price point at or below $3000. Maybe it will be a future release from Ginault. But yes, the Rolex is probably overpriced in most regards. The wildcard that I have a hard time quantifying is the in house Rolex movement. If we forget about that and say all other things being equal the Submariner should be a $3000 watch, how much extra cost does the movement add? Even if the movement doubles the price the Sub should probably be $6k right?

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Good point. Besides that if they are golden, then how much gold does it have to increase the prices 3 times? What is the real price diference in 316 L and 904L stainless steel? Initially they were tool watches, demand has turned them into luxury items...

In terms of value for money it's hard to beat this Ginault. It's a very well put together watch.

It's not a small amount of money and if you don't love the design you should definitely consider other options. But if you are a fan it's a really well put together watch and I think you're getting a lot for your money.

I think a bit more than $1k+ above the Ginault, and I've had them both.

Are those available yet?

They are on pre-order now and should be delivered in August.

They look pretty cool. I'd love to check one out. eMail Monta and let them know you'd like to see me review one and maybe they'll send me a sample watch to borrow?

I want one of this skyquest

A lot of people feel that way. I'd be very interested in seeing what else Ginault does in the future. If they keep the same quality level and start producing an original designs I'd think they would have something special on their hands.

Haha, yeah there’s a lot of text.

I did in another video.

Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it. You definitely have a point, it’s hard to debate that. I’d love to see what Ginault could produce in terms of an original design. The quality is there, hopefully next we’ll get to see their creativity.

Rolex will always be in a class of its own. Knowing that there are micro brands that can come close is always encouraging to us who can't afford the King!

But i wished it had a steel or white seconds hand. That's it

Thanks for watching Ajax, it's always good to hear someone about someone else's experience with the watch, especially when they have a lot of experience with other brands like yourself. I've had a lot of people ask if it's much better than Steinhart, and even suggest that the Ginault isn't much better. I've only reviewed/handled one Steinhart but in my experience while the Steinhart is nice this Ginault is head and shoulders above it in quality. What was your take on that?

I have the Steinhart OVM mk1 and although i love the watch, it is really no comparison to the Ginault. The Ginault is really an "almost" high end watch for a moderate price. It gives much more feel of highend than any other watch in that price category. Steinhart then; The case, crystal and dial of the Steinhart is really great. The bracelet is comfortable and good enough. The clasp is also good enough. People criticize Steinhart's bracelet and clasp but it is way better than Rolex's from let's say 10 / 15 years ago. So it is good enough for me. The ETA 2824-2 elabore movement in my Steinhart is nothing less than impressive! Very accurate. Only minor point is the point where the endlink meets the bracelet. There is a little "gap". But I would say that in the price range of let's say € 400,00 there not a whole lot of watches of better quality / finish / movement than a Steinhart. Especially the diver's. When i see aperson wearing a Steinhart, i know that person is a watch enthusiast. Not everyone has the cash to spend on a Rolex / Omega or what have you. A Steinhart is a perfect piece for such a person. Perfect! I love my Steinhart and it sits proud next to my other timepieces in my watchbox.

Pretty much want to off myself.

Thanks for watching I appreciate it.

haha I guess that's true.

@@JustBlueFish ;-)

I’ve seen them use that term but I don’t know if it’s officially renamed

Why is that? I really can’t tell the difference. (I’m genuinely interested to know why you say that, I’m not being facetious)

@@WBB1981 It scratches much more easily than 316 in my experience. I

You can do whatever you want. That’s the beauty of having free will.

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They do offer a discount but they ask for an honest review. The reviewer would have no reason to lie either way

I have, in another video.

TNO I used to have 3 steiny but I have two steiny now because the Steinhart ocean one is a complete shit and I sold it after few weeks , that ridiculous horrible cyclop lens 🤦‍♂️ the lume is very weak ,the hour hand Mercedes leg sucks also it’s too bulky and very rough made... not even close to the Ginault quality that is levels above.

Ginault is more original than the Steinhart, which is an inferior watch in just about every way anyways.

Definitely. The movement is a hard piece of the puzzle to quantify. While I know the 3135 is “better” buy what degree and the amount of value it adds is difficult to say since I have real technical training. I’m sure there is no comparison though.