Phenomenal work! I'm enjoying it thoroughly. Thank you for doing this. And thank you for reminding me never to disobey the tellings of the sacred chickens.
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Things on never to do list in history 1. never ingage Carthage in a naval battle 2.never try to defeat the Romans the same way twice 3.And always tak ed the advice of the sacred chicken before going to battle
This is my second time enjoying this superb podcast. I find that I am picking up additional pieces and filling out the whole picture of this Immense and fascinating period. Thank you agin Mike Duncan for such a great job. This is the best history lesson I have ever had. Peter A.
@@Alamyst2011 maybe they didn't even have the money offered? Expecting them to lose but weaken the enemy. My only thought on that. Not sure why you'd piss them off on purpose
I love this whole podcast for the past months I've listened and fell asleep well listening. it's absolutely great man these are all old I know. but thank you very much for posting this
Mike Duncan Bravo, Bravo. I don't know your background but you should be a history Prof or teacher. You really give some great insight into Roman History. I would Love to see you do a series on Ancient Egypt.
Am going to note your channel for future reference. Am reading Project Gutenberg's The Histories of Polybius, Vol. I (of 2) and will follow with the second volume of fragment translations. Am glad you have posted these vids.
I listened to this both before and after Oversimplified's take on the Punic Wars. It's been awesome to have the full story, then enjoy the humorous take on it, then come back and revel in just how crazy it all actually was.
When I heard about the sacred chickens in Rome 2 total war I honestly thought it was a joke but sure enough the Romans, superstitious and gods fearing as they were, did rely on chickens for prophetic wisdom.
Yep. Back again. Necessarily dropped my study for a bit of time and am refreshing my memory of the First Punic War. Left off my study at the Second Punic War, with all of the tribal betrayals and I think one legion having landed at Utica. Really cool stuff. EDit: am keeping a lot of focus on the navy. Episode 20b? Hmmm Just noticed this. Alrighty. Am set and would like to thank you again for putting this Roman History together.
I am pretty sure that the Pronounciation back in ROman times was quite unlike anything we use today , esp since the Carthaginians spoke a semetic language AFAIK....
"In Plato's Laws, he asserts that this love of money has led the Phoenicians and Egyptians to develop skills in cunning and trickery (πανουργία) rather than wisdom (σοφία)."
Really love the Duncanisms in these videos. "Hamilcar Barracka Obamakis" It made me look up his name again just to make sure I'm not crazy, I mean I've read Polybios ! Apparently in Phoenician it's believed his name was pronounced 'Homilqart Baraq', so, maybe we have to give this one to Mr. Duncan after all : )) Anyway, the picture the Romans & Polybios seem to paint of Carthage is one of an incredibly petty and paranoid plutocracy, whose generals are perpetually reeled in by a mix of greed and paranoia. We kind of see the same narrative with certain Emperors later. It's always fun to wonder how accurate senatorial/senatorial-ally interpretation of events are.
the Persian king, Cambyses II planed to conquer Carthage but his Phonecian subjects declined stating that they refuse to fight their fellow people group so that was scrapped. also this was after he conquered Egypt.
I just assumed Hannibal Barca got power young, many that show true skill do, like Alexander & Napoleon (though, props to Phillip II, Alexanders father for preparing Macedon).
Probably just a coincidence. The Spanish who seized the gold and silver from Latin America were mostly not the same people as those who had their gold and silver stolen from them; apart from Galicia and the Basque country, the Celtiberians were basically replaced by the Romans. Small numbers of other people came in (and were usually expelled) later, like the Moors, Gypsies, and some Jews, but Spain (including Catalonia) is mostly Roman in descent. There were also a tiny number of Greeks and even some Phoenician colonies, but those were tiny and basically irrelevant.
Well the Emirate of Cordoba ruled most of Iberia for almost 800 years. There is a lot of Muslim and middle eastern influence especially in the south. The Visigoths ruled over the romans but by the time the reconquista was over it was the galicians and catillians who were on top. And they were not Roman in descent.
The General Poulter who threw the chickens in the sea, is he the reason we have the English word Poultry? Lol how ironic if not, but they have to be related.
Poultry comes from Latin via Old French, from the PIE root faw- meaning 'little' or 'small' - so actually the same root as 'fowl' and 'paltry.' That f/p shift is a common one - pod/foot, pisca/fish. The general's name was Publius Claudius Pulcher.
You only briefly mention the battle of Ecnomus, the largest naval battle ever. You should do an episode abut only Ecnomus, if there are enough historic sources. Larger than Salamis and Lepanto and anything that happened in the world wars of the 20th century in numbers of ships and men. Here's a description of the battle using some gaming software for illustration: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jpGMSzgd8eg.html
Byzantium was colonized by the Greeks from Megara in 657 BC, and remained primarily Greek-speaking until its conquest by the Ottoman Empire in AD 1453. Also look up the ancient Anatolian Kingdom of Pontus, Greeks from the Black sea. A blend of Greek and Persian influences. Yes, Greek identity can challenge any Ukrainian Ethnic groups and prove Greeks were in the Black sea far before any Slavic ethnic group existed. What is commonly called the kingdom of Pontos flourished for over 200 years in the coastal regions of the Black Sea. At its peak in the early first century BC, it included much of the southern, eastern, and northern littoral, becoming one of the most important Hellenistic dynasties founded before a successor of Alexander the Great. It also posed one of the greatest challenges to Roman imperial expansion in the East. Not until 63 BC, after many violent clashes, was Rome able to subjugate the kingdom and its last charismatic ruler Mithridates VI, who proved to be as formidable a foe to Rome as Hannibal. He has been called the greatest ruler of the Kingdom of Pontus. He cultivated an immunity to poisons by regularly ingesting sub-lethal doses; this practice, now called mithridatism, is named after him. After his death, he became known as Mithridates the Great. And after the full of Rome by the Germanic tribes and mercenaries from the far East of Asia that murdered most of the Romans and destroyed and looted Rome. Some Romans managed to flee to Byzantium and were saved by the Greek Royal Guards of Byzantium. The same Greek Royal Guards of Byzantium who trained the Anglo-Saxons from England, after they fled England from the Normans. The popes are not even Roman, that's why popes don't have last names. Poverty-stricken like one of many barbarians that invaded Europe was Odoacer, the Germanic king of the Torcilingi, and he self-proclaimed himself as the new Roman emperor and he embraced everything Roman and Greek. So the Roman state continued and some of its traditions were maintained, modern historians distinguish Byzantium from ancient Rome insofar as it was centred on Constantinople, oriented towards Greek rather than Latin culture and characterised by Orthodox Christianity. And Greek history records show that the Germanic tribe's were given the Netherlands and not Europe. Germanic peoples are nomadic like the Turks and British. There's an intelligent documentary in English to be made about Byzantium culture, and this isn't it. History is way more clear with a Hellenic classical education, and someone who speaks like a native Greek and not as an outsider/foreigner who learned Greek. Dionysius Pyrrhus requests the exclusive use of Hellene in his Cheiragogy: "Never desire to call yourselves Romans, but Hellenes, for the Romans from ancient Rome enslaved and destroyed Hellas." And George Gemistus Plethon pointed out to Constantine Palaeologus that the people he leads are "Hellenes, as their race and language and education testifies". Ducas Vatatzes, wrote in a letter to Pope Gregory IX about the wisdom that "rains upon the Hellenic nation". He maintained that the transfer of the imperial authority from Rome to Constantinople was national and not geographic, and therefore did not belong to the Latins occupying Constantinople: Constantine's heritage was passed on to the Hellenes, so he argued, and they alone were its inheritors and successors. His son, Theodore II Lascaris, was eager to project the name of the Greeks with true nationalistic zeal. He made it a point that "the Hellenic race looms over all other languages" and that "every kind of philosophy and form of knowledge is a discovery of Hellenes […]. What do you, O Rome, have to display?" No other small country can compare with Greece in terms of impact on human benefit. In the beginning... God created the Earth, and in the light blue waters, put a small ship to travel forever, in order not only to give birth but also to transfer great ideas all over the world ... He called that ship...HELLAS! The Greeks created it, the Germans copy it, and the English exploit it. The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance. Herodotus
Excellent ! Narration pitched at just the right level . Factual but light and slightly ironic . I'm British but actually prefer a North American ( incl Canada ) accent for lengthy narration. Main problem is too many Brits think they sound like Laurence Olivier !!
Carthage not paying there mercenaries gets me everytime I hear it. I truly don't understand what was going through there mind thinking it was all gonna be fine doing that. Truly very very stupid and gives them a bad name now of a power that doesent pay. I just can't wrap my brain around there thinking lolll
Found out about a couple of Timaeus'. Forgot already yet will see the name again. Darn, to do a real study of Greece, Rome and basically Western Modern Europe, a "real" study takes ages. rofl. EDit: have found some mighty fine sites to use. Am styling Polybius' "Histories Vol. I&2" and researching everything. Totally interesting. Have almost decided what to do next. Am using Open Web public domain writings. Any references and extra "stuff" am giving credit where credit is due. Am thankful for GutenbergProject-TM.
In hind sight Hannibal did destroy the Republic. Granted it was not how he wanted to destroy Rome but the Republic lost so many men. You can see how they dealt with the Greeks before Hannibal and after. Before the first Punic wars, when Rome had lost to Pyrrhus and the Kings doctor asked if they wanted him poison and that he would for gold. Instead the Roman ambassador told Pyrrhus and said he would not dishonor Rome by poisoning his enemy . Compare that to how they treated the Greek. I look at the U.S. and WW1 and WW2, was that the death of our Republic and it is just now catching America?
this should be watched by anyone who want to undertand today's geopolituc. Carthage a naval superpower , rich by sea trade , hyper militaristic and decadent potray US empire today , while the rome republic potray Russia and China. The result would be devastating to US empire as their obsolete military got massacred and their civilization collapsed
