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Romanian Model 1879 Martini-Henry Rifles & Carbines 

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Following its experience in the Russo-Turkish War, the Romanian Army was quite impressed by the Martini-Henry rifle in Turkish service. Unlike so many Western observers who were taken by the Winchester repeating rifles that actually didn't make much battlefield impact, the Romanians recognized the all-around quality of the Martini. So after the war when looking to equip their own newly independent army, they went to Britain for Martinis. They were not able to get rifles made in Britain, but did purchase a license to make the rifle in .45 Gatling, which they took to a factory in Witten, in the German state of Wurtemburg. This factory was newly opened, run in part by Friedrich von Martini himself - so what better place to get Martini rifles?
An initial contract for 60,000 rifles and 8,000 carbines was accepted by the factory and delivered fairly quickly. When the Romanians came back for more guns the factory had gone bankrupt, however. Subsequent orders were instead made form OEWG Steyr in Austria. In total, Romania acquired about 145,000 Martini long rifles and between 12,000 and 18,000 carbines. They were replaced by the Model 1893 Mannlicher in the 1890s, and thus were never used as a front-line rifle in any major combat. They served in World War One in a secondary role only.
Thanks to the King Ferdinand I Military Museum for giving me access to these examples and to A.N.C.A. for coordinating the visit! If you are in Bucharest, make sure to stop in and visit the museum:
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@enricopaolocoronado2511
@enricopaolocoronado2511 3 дня назад
The dark wood furniture on one of the rifles makes it more elegant IMHO. It just looks so sleek.
@stitch626aloha
@stitch626aloha 3 дня назад
The blackened wood w the "in the white" does have a sleek quality but there is a very classic feel to the oiled wood and blued steel.
@buzzyinurface
@buzzyinurface 2 дня назад
It looks dirty and old to me 😂
@austinkroe
@austinkroe 2 дня назад
Looks like it’s in grayscale compared to everything else in the video.
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 2 дня назад
“Scary black rifle”
@distalradius8146
@distalradius8146 2 дня назад
@@buzzyinurface Collectors call this "patina".
@lukehorning3404
@lukehorning3404 3 дня назад
Man Ian gets around you never know where he is going to pop up 😂
@alexs5744
@alexs5744 3 дня назад
I wonder if he’s going to pop up in China or Chinese occupied Tibet and talk about the various firearms used by warlords and rural people.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 2 дня назад
@@alexs5744 I can't wait for him to appear on the International Space Station, talking about the Voskhod survival carbine. Which I think he has already done, but it would be nice to see how it performs in freefall.
@ianfinrir8724
@ianfinrir8724 2 дня назад
He's like Flat Stanley
@aziouss2863
@aziouss2863 День назад
Like our D&D players when you want to organize a session in adulthood. One is in Zimbabwe for vacation. The other is having open heart surgery. The third is fighting the voices in his head. And lastly the romantic guy who is actively fighting the crazy gf who stabbed him 6 times and who is still in love with her somehow.
@wingsofwrath4647
@wingsofwrath4647 2 дня назад
Very nice! As a long time Romanian reenactor in a country with otherwise strict gun control laws, the first historical firearm I ever handled was a Romanian M.1879 from the National Military Museum, back in 2006, so ever since I've had a soft spot for them. Also, some time ago, while digging on the site of the former "Pirotehnia Armatei" ("Army Pyrotechnic [facility]") state-run ammunition plant prior to the site's redevelopment into office buildings, my friends and I found a couple of unfinished, 1916 marked cartridges for the M.79, so they were still making them as late as that. My guess is it was probably a last-minute order as part of the gear-up for our entry into WW1.
@wingsofwrath4647
@wingsofwrath4647 День назад
@@BlaBla-pf8mf Da, intre Politehnica si bulevardul Iuliu Maniu, acolo unde sunt acum sediul Microsoft, etc. Au dat jos cladirile alea prin 2007 parca si noi atunci am fost.
@BlaBla-pf8mf
@BlaBla-pf8mf День назад
@@wingsofwrath4647 Thanks
@paulbeesley8283
@paulbeesley8283 День назад
Speaking of ammunition works, I remember the old Kynoch works in Birmingham. It was still producing in the '80s. In the early 21st century it was redeveloped for, amongst other things, university accomodation. This struck me as odd because surely the ground would have been stiff with copper, zinc, lead, brass, mercury, and antimony.
@mihaichilea1761
@mihaichilea1761 3 дня назад
Gun Jesus dropped by, such a cool dude. Much love from Romania!
@notwrongbyalot
@notwrongbyalot 2 дня назад
14 years is still longer than the m14
@SpacePatrollerLaser
@SpacePatrollerLaser 3 дня назад
I understand that the Peabody was well liked by Gen. Sherman: Both ahead of their time. I've not been able to get any supporting documentation since that was way back
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 2 дня назад
I see what you did there.
@SpacePatrollerLaser
@SpacePatrollerLaser День назад
@@markfergerson2145 Who? Me? Innocent little me?
@ianfinrir8724
@ianfinrir8724 День назад
Take your like and git.
@xoxo2008oxox
@xoxo2008oxox 3 дня назад
And he knew I was wearing my Martini shirt from CNrsenal...
@danpetre9744
@danpetre9744 2 дня назад
Funny how things are. I found 3 bullet cassings and one slug from rifle like this just two months ago. I found them while metal detecting 20 km Nord of Buchares.
@FrenchTaunter12
@FrenchTaunter12 2 дня назад
Small Correction: Witten is not in the state of Wurtemburg, but in Westphalia.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 2 дня назад
Small writing error Württemberg.
@tis7963
@tis7963 3 дня назад
TIL that there was a .45 Gatling cartridge.
@rickh9396
@rickh9396 2 дня назад
8:29 The only known exception to Ian's famous saying that no one copies the French (and the French copy no one).
@Pilvenuga
@Pilvenuga 2 дня назад
all those late 19th/early 20th century long rifles with ironsights going out to over a kilometer are truly from a special era. from the adoption of cased ammo to the Maxim gun, the infantrymans rifle had to do more than what we use rifles for today
@nomadmarauder-dw9re
@nomadmarauder-dw9re 2 дня назад
Those settings were for volley firing. The reasoning was how far will this round carry, not accuracy as we think of it today. So, you get about 100 guys all firing at once at long range. Theoretically somebody is gonna get their day ruined. Was it effective? Don't know.
@user-kr7yh8vw9m
@user-kr7yh8vw9m 2 дня назад
The fact these guns are so scarce is what makes them extremely popular among gun enthusiasts such as yourself Ian and you never cease to amaze us with your knowledge of guns, not to mention those Martinis are very elegant to look at.
@proCaylak
@proCaylak 3 дня назад
I appreciate these subtitles, especially those ellipses and brackets as a means of correction. Thanks a lot.
@bulukacarlos4751
@bulukacarlos4751 2 дня назад
Argentine here and I say ME TOO!!!
@zedsdeadbaby
@zedsdeadbaby День назад
Same same. Whoever does the subtitles deserves recognition
@me.ne.frego.
@me.ne.frego. 2 дня назад
Much love for guns of this period and their stories! The Martini-Henry action seems excelent, here the Rolling Block was the king and is much slower and less convenient.
@spondulixtanstaafl7887
@spondulixtanstaafl7887 2 дня назад
Thanks, love the Martini
@robinblackmoor8732
@robinblackmoor8732 2 дня назад
I think my usual joke that I have two of these in the garage leaning against the back wall won't work today. Ian really gets around.
@FranzAntonMesmer
@FranzAntonMesmer 3 дня назад
I wish someone would do the Peabody conversion rifles. They're criminally neglected.
@petrimakela5978
@petrimakela5978 2 дня назад
Discrepancy in Romanian documentation? Those who are surprised, raise your hand!
@tomhalla426
@tomhalla426 3 дня назад
To be a pedant, it really should have been called the Martini-Peabody. Martini reworked to striker firing the Peabody action.
@kevinoliver3083
@kevinoliver3083 2 дня назад
Except that Peabody lost his patent suites against Martini.
@mrjockt
@mrjockt 2 дня назад
The British at the time tended to name the rifle after the person responsible for the action and the person , or place, responsible for the rifling.
@markyoung2981
@markyoung2981 3 дня назад
I really appreciate your videos, thank you for your time and effort sharing this content.
@dinsdalemontypiranha4349
@dinsdalemontypiranha4349 2 дня назад
That was great Ian! (it was obvious that you enjoyed making it)
@johngreen-sk4yk
@johngreen-sk4yk 3 дня назад
Good timing, just about to take lunch break, something to watch 😋 👍
@robertsaget6918
@robertsaget6918 3 дня назад
lunchbreak? It's 6 am!
@johngreen-sk4yk
@johngreen-sk4yk 2 дня назад
@@robertsaget6918 Not in the UK 🇬🇧 a late lunch 2pm 😋 lol
@davidlynn7161
@davidlynn7161 2 дня назад
Great video, thanks. And I think those are 2 beautiful rifles.
@DanorthxD
@DanorthxD 2 дня назад
Martini Henry.. such a gorgeous rifle. Thank you for this!
@Cr0wmagnum
@Cr0wmagnum 2 дня назад
Even if you don't like guns it is always worth watching for the history. Fortunately I enjoy both.
@TimNevins
@TimNevins 2 дня назад
Well done!
@MrQ454
@MrQ454 2 дня назад
they probably also had a large number of captures from the Ottoman army…. from 1878
@ericwest787
@ericwest787 2 дня назад
Forță bina! Good video!
@michaelking783
@michaelking783 3 дня назад
Super interesting.
@Arthurzeiro
@Arthurzeiro 2 дня назад
It's so weird how Romania speaks a romance language, yeah their name has Roman literally writen on It, implying heavy latin influence in the region, but it's hard not to associate the place with eastern europe and slavic speaking nations.
@paulableman2663
@paulableman2663 День назад
Some old mentors of mine were Romanian, and I was always fascinated by the language. Apparently Romania was Rome's Australia, hence why they're geographically so far away from where a Latin language would be expected. They're some of the most genial people I've ever met, except when you "accuse" them of being Eastern European 😂
@vincentmueller3717
@vincentmueller3717 2 дня назад
I was very happy to hear Romania has an arms collecting society, but sadly disappointed to see the destroyed rifle barrel. The idea a serious government would believe a single shot rifle, chamred for a cartridge that hasn't been produced in over a century, that's 50+" long, is a threat to social order, should make clear the government isn't serious. Unless Romania has been having a rash of drive-by shootings in which after a volly of shots, the car dissappears in the cloud of blackpowd er smoke.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 2 дня назад
I agree...when I saw the hole...I shuddered. Actually had to turn the screen so my 2 MKIV's on the wall couldn't see their butchered younger brother.
@henryturnerjr3857
@henryturnerjr3857 2 дня назад
You never know. Someone could relearn how to draw brass cases or turn down existing cases on a lathe and in only a few MONTHS and several hundred dollars make A ROUND of ammunition.
@MrYfrank14
@MrYfrank14 2 дня назад
Stupiest part is, if you had that ability, it would be much easier to make a homemade new firearm in your shop than to make ammo for this one. Most firearm laws are silly.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 2 дня назад
@@MrYfrank14 Actually...CH Tool & Die company make all the dies for the 45 Gardner/Gatling cartridge including a form die. To make ammo I'd get their die set, make a chamber casting of my gun then find a cartridge that is close enough to work. The MH 577-450 Boxer can be made from 24 gauge brass shotgun shells so something similar is very likely available if you want to make 45 Gatling.
@mariusdragoe2888
@mariusdragoe2888 2 дня назад
@vincentmueller3717 That's a weird take. The government that deactivated these weapons was also torturing dissenters in political prisons.
@cheesenoodles8316
@cheesenoodles8316 2 дня назад
Very nice. Allot of history in this design.
@FASmith-qd1yj
@FASmith-qd1yj 2 дня назад
Saw the hole in the barrel. Bummer
@stumpythedwarf8712
@stumpythedwarf8712 2 дня назад
Thank you as always Ian, great video. I'm now in the mood to watch Zulu.
@jamesabernethy7896
@jamesabernethy7896 2 дня назад
I always give a thumbs up but probably don't comment enough. I'm not technically minded but you make your videos so accessible. All your videos are interesting but I have a particular fondness for weapons with a story behind them. My favourites are the Pancor Jackhammer, Grean Meanie and the PTRD because of the stories.
@sharonrigs7999
@sharonrigs7999 2 дня назад
1900m is pretty optimistic for a large bore BP cartridge. The rifle would be nearly vertical. I'm sure it would be OK for harassing fire, but that's about it.
@thecookj454
@thecookj454 День назад
The Martini Henry is legendary
@colinfew6570
@colinfew6570 2 дня назад
I love Ian's cardigan and I want one!
@GrumpyGenXGramps
@GrumpyGenXGramps 2 дня назад
That black carbine is nice! Almost looks like a modern polymer stock!
@tepesvoda464
@tepesvoda464 День назад
Bucharest Military Museum is the place I started going when I could still fit into the barrel of the 16 inch mortar displayed there.
@haydnjenkins7607
@haydnjenkins7607 2 дня назад
I owned a 410 Shotgun Martini Action made in Birmingham, but never knew who actually made it, the action was way over engineered, for 410 , I often wondered if it was a converted sportarised rifle/smooth bored into a shotgun. Had the gun a lot of years, many Rabbits, Rats, Crows and Pigeons, were taken while just walking around my friends farm.
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 2 дня назад
Probably a .303” rifle smooth bored.410 and .303have such similar size cases albeit the .303” is brass and necked to the bullet but can fire formed with a 410 chamber and bored out barrel.
@two_owls
@two_owls День назад
I would absolutely love a video on the Martini Henries in Ottoman service! 19th century Ottoman history is fascinating because it's so much more complex than the simple "sick man of Europe" trope we've all heard about while we prime ourselves for WW1 history
@DevinMoorhead
@DevinMoorhead 3 дня назад
Fricking early gang checking in
@chuckmurphy5701
@chuckmurphy5701 22 часа назад
I love Romania! ♥
@liamcarvet8374
@liamcarvet8374 День назад
Bayonet not looking as scary as our sawback beast always remember my dad shooting his with bayonet fixed to the amazement of every one else at the range.
@David_Crayford
@David_Crayford 2 дня назад
Very interesting. Had no idea Martini-Henrys were used outside of the Commonwealth. Also there are memes going around from the film *ZULU* which is 60 years old [1964] and personally fascinated because the cadet version was the first firearm I shot.
@kenibnanak5554
@kenibnanak5554 2 дня назад
Not to be confused with .45 Gardner. :)
@kevinoliver3083
@kevinoliver3083 2 дня назад
Or .45 Gardner-Gatling.
@christiangoulden4399
@christiangoulden4399 3 дня назад
Romanian guns.. fell from the truck in Germany ;)
@eckyeckypikang
@eckyeckypikang 2 дня назад
Hey! I told you I recognized you... So here's my comment. I imagine that was a long, long day...
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 2 дня назад
Hope your flight went smoothly! ;)
@TheWalterKurtz
@TheWalterKurtz 2 дня назад
The optimism of that rear sight may have indicated a lack of artillery.
@paulbeesley8283
@paulbeesley8283 День назад
I remember at school, being told that the Russo-Turkish War of '77-78, was one of a run of 13 wars lost by the Ottoman Turks.
@user-og1ux8nr3i
@user-og1ux8nr3i День назад
I worked for a plant manager that made me lie to customers about their order dates then late list them later.
@grigoreradu8119
@grigoreradu8119 День назад
Welcome in my country.
@korisosuke2154
@korisosuke2154 3 дня назад
Lets goo
@ryanlang1548
@ryanlang1548 3 дня назад
I think that's a "pipe back" bayonet🤔 90% sure on that.
@richardthomas9416
@richardthomas9416 2 дня назад
I have a witten carbine in number 2 musket used by boer, ist boer war
@Scott-zg8fb
@Scott-zg8fb 2 дня назад
I know there's an andy richter joke in there somewhere.
@wyattcollins303
@wyattcollins303 2 дня назад
I wonder what happened to all of them?
@Danny_Boel
@Danny_Boel 2 дня назад
11:54 glitch in the Matrix? 😀
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 2 дня назад
Speaking of conversions and adaptations, have you ever talked about the Japanese short-stocked guns they built after finding out about long arms from the Portuguese? I’ve heard many claims about why they didn’t want to shoulder rifles from it not working with samurai armor to some cultural thing about improving aim not being honorable. I give the first claim some credence but I’d like to know for sure.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 2 дня назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fRLIYz8f58E.html
@user-og1ux8nr3i
@user-og1ux8nr3i День назад
I have a 1871 French bayonet.
@HM-wv2ft
@HM-wv2ft 2 дня назад
Do not mess with ian forgotten weapon, he will consume
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 2 дня назад
Does .45 Gatling mean the ammunition was compatible with gatling guns?
@robinblackmoor8732
@robinblackmoor8732 2 дня назад
I was wondering that too. Another thing I have to Google later.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 2 дня назад
Only Gatlings made in .45 Gatling. Each contract for Gatling guns specified the cartridge the client wanted, and it could be a wide selection - .45-70, .43 Spanish, .42 Berdan, or many others.
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 2 дня назад
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks! For the sake of Romanian logistics I hope they bought that one!
@robinblackmoor8732
@robinblackmoor8732 2 дня назад
@@ForgottenWeapons Oh. Great saved me doing a search. I had faith that you would respond. You are literally the best there is. Love your videos. It is great to learn about stuff that you did even know was a thing. I always feel smarter after one of your videos. No matter how much I know, you manage to teach me new things. Even with guns I know you surprise me with something I did not know.
@davidma9186
@davidma9186 3 дня назад
Yep. I think I am finally at top 5 check in.
@TorquilBletchleySmythe
@TorquilBletchleySmythe 3 дня назад
Red five standing by....
@JReykdal
@JReykdal 2 дня назад
Wearing an Icelandic lopi hoodie no less!
@faeembrugh
@faeembrugh 2 дня назад
My uncle had a .22 (at least I think that was the calibre) version of a M-H which he used to hunt rabbits with as a boy. I shot it a few times engaging in my 'Zulu' fantasy! I think he handed it in to a police station when a lot of weapons were banned in the UK.
@bloqk16
@bloqk16 2 дня назад
[in a tone of distressful sorrow] Oh! My! That is so cringeworthy to read about . . . a rifle of a legendary classic design being tossed away, and not by choice, but by mandate.
@josephknaak9034
@josephknaak9034 2 дня назад
Yep a 110 year old single shot 22 is a problem.
@faeembrugh
@faeembrugh День назад
He could have got a licence but since he had given up hunting rabbits a long time since, he didn't see the point in owning it.
@jamesallred460
@jamesallred460 3 дня назад
Yo early gang! What up.?
@kevinoliver3083
@kevinoliver3083 2 дня назад
Weren't the Ottoman "Martini-Henry" arms officially "Peabody-Martini" guns. Built by the Providence Tool Company. With the Ottoman contract being an 'out of court' settlement of patent disputes, between Peabody and Martini.
@EthanHaddad7
@EthanHaddad7 2 дня назад
Person from Massachusetts here: Peabody is pronounced “pee-buh-dee,” quickly though
@silverangelism
@silverangelism День назад
Roșiori was army unit Călărași was like a rangers or jandarms
@herosstratos
@herosstratos 2 дня назад
4:00 Gußstahl- und Waffenfabrik Witten vormals Berger & Co. Wikipedia: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gussstahl-Werk_Witten Today (2024): Deutsche Edelstahlwerke Specialty Steel
@jeffreyholdeman3042
@jeffreyholdeman3042 3 дня назад
I like to have the ‘bestest’ stuff. 🤣
@francescosolinas675
@francescosolinas675 2 дня назад
Bodeo 1889
@szedlacsektamas3959
@szedlacsektamas3959 День назад
Would love to have these guns in fallout new vegas
@GenaTrius
@GenaTrius 2 дня назад
8:34 Ah hah! So someone DID copy the French! Romania! Specifically with respect to bayonets!
@chpet1655
@chpet1655 2 дня назад
One of the worst mistakes any power did in WW1 was Romania entering the war in 1916 on the Entente side. Yeah they got rolled up fast and painfully by August von Mackensen and his veteran armies…let’s just say that fortunately it was over quick and why would you want to fight a guy who wears a deaths head hat for fun ? 😅
@sandhornoy
@sandhornoy 3 дня назад
Ay im early for once
@thebotrchap
@thebotrchap 2 дня назад
Martini-Henry implies that the barrel has Martini rifling. Does it really?
@kevinoliver3083
@kevinoliver3083 2 дня назад
No. Martini action with Henry rifling, in the barrel. Same system that generates "Lee-Metford" and "Lee-Enfield".
@thebotrchap
@thebotrchap 2 дня назад
@@kevinoliver3083 Sorry, I mistyped my question. Yes indeed, I meant Henry rifling 😂
@justin42899
@justin42899 2 дня назад
The Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78 was Russia saving the Christian citizens of the Ottoman Empire. They viewed it as their duty to protect them. Plevna was really the only setback, with the Russians steamrolling through the rest. It was actually the Second Campaign that won the war. The Armenian Campaign faced no set backs, and were on a clear marching path to Constantinople, forcing the Turks to sue for peace. A good book is actually Francis V. Greene's book. He was the American attaché to the Russians for the war. He tells how the failure at Plevna was mainly Russian artillery (mostly smooth bore muzzleloaders and even brass cannons that yes broke), lack of entrenching tools, and tactics while the Turks best quality of making and remaking defensive works stopping the Russians so much.
@Some-nerd-who-tinkers
@Some-nerd-who-tinkers 3 дня назад
ARTHOR!!! -Dutch
@fafnir7149
@fafnir7149 2 дня назад
Europe was so much better with guns
@user-du6yr1qx5d
@user-du6yr1qx5d 2 дня назад
Куда английские ружья закатились...в Румынию...😳
@gunterschmidtke9391
@gunterschmidtke9391 3 дня назад
first one to comment, like this things
@unclejoethemolester
@unclejoethemolester 2 дня назад
you're a very lucky man you went to Romania and didn't get your wallet stolen
@gheka35
@gheka35 2 дня назад
All the gipsy’s are in France England and Germany, so you’re safe in Romania.
@evgenyreshetnikov3483
@evgenyreshetnikov3483 21 час назад
Sometimes I forget that Romania once been a country.
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