These loud shouts also give directions to the dancers> Especially in the South (Oltenia) you have to listen to the dans leader, the one that shouts and give directions: how many steps to the right, how many to the left, because most of the time the dances are asymmetric and very fast, so you have to really pay attention to the leader and feel the rhythm.
exceptional!!! exact asa joaca si bunicii mei, chiar si acuma ca au mai bine de 70 de ani :) superb! n-are cum sa nu iti ajunga la suflet. foarte faine momentele in care am jucat si eu pe muzica asta
For those of you who say that the Romanians have stolen a Hungarian dance, notice that the dance is from Transylvania. There is a lot of cross-cultural Romanian and Hungarian influences there. Duh.
Yes. Transylvania is a cross between Hungarian and Romanian culture. My family is Transylvanian Romanian. There is still just a little tiny bit of tension between Hungarians and Romanians since the land was allocated to Romania after the first world war.
I recently found out I'm part Romanian, Hungarian, German, Irish, Dutch and may even have some Polish and Czechoslovakian on my mom's side of the family!
The lad's dance is found in Romanian communities (Fecioreşte) and the Hungarian communities (Legényes). These most highly evolved group dances are found in TRANSYLVANIA.These dances generally consist of the dancers walking around the circle in an anticlockwise direction, sometimes including syncopated stamps, and heel clicks, followed by figures using rhythmic stamping, heel clicks and rotations of the lower leg.The syncopated stamping and upbeat accents appear to be unique to Romanian dances.
Yes, some hungarian culture influenced romanian culture in the course of time. However, before that happened, romanian culture influenced and defined hungarian culture, given that when the magyar tribes arrived in Panonia they found a thriving local romanian culture which they learned and became civilized. Well. Almost. Now go ahead. Prove my point.
Nope, it is quite the oposite ! the old population influenced de newcommers...evrewhere in this world. Now you have to figure out who are the newcommers and the old population. Hint... the old population is much more number and it is spread around a much larger teritory !
This is romanian traditional dance. If you want to know the hungarian history, look on "Hungarians and Uyghurs". And the hungarian traditional dance and music is in "Uyghur Music Video"
"În ce priveşte costumul, uitaţi-vă de aproape şi intrebaţi-vă dacă fusta înfoiată a unguroaicelor din Ardeal şi vâlnicul din Mehedinţi nu sunt acelaşi lucru, cu deosebire că la noi se prezintă mai elegant, cu faldurile acestea frumoase şi o ţesătură de casă, pe când dincolo este o fustă peste altă fustă. Dar şi saşii şi ungurii, în fond, poartă costumul ţăranilor noştri.
Romania didn't conquered that much but his traditional muzic because of the vlachs that are in all balkan countries influenced other Balkan country with this traditional romanian folk!
(continuare) "Aceasta este incontestabil, şi este natural, fiidcă atunci când te aşezi într-o ţară pe care n-o cunoşti, dar găseşti oamenii de acolo, oamenii aceştia sunt călăuza: ei te învaţă cum să te îmbraci iarna şi vara; pe dumneata care vii dintr-o ţară unde nu este aceeaşi vară, nici iarnă" (Nicolae Iorga)
Many Romanian dances are accompanied by loud shouts and calls known as Strigături which are called rhythmically, but often across the musical melody and rhythm. Such calls seem to be specific to Romania, and are only otherwise found in the Hungarian minorities of Transylvania. Again, there is almost universally a clear direction of influence from the Romanian side to the small grups of Hungarians in central Transilvania who lived in the middle of Romanians.
amyshark vad k si tu esti ardelean dupa modul de a vorbi... astia dak vrei sa le spunem asa sunt din Comuna Mihai Viteazu de langa Turda. Dupa cum scrie e o purtata batrana si te pot asigura k e suta la suta autentica. Cu acest joc au castigat multe concursuri nationale si nu orice ansamblu din tare reuseste sa o interpreteze. Nu e un joc de spectacol cum stiu sa il faca aproape toti e un joc de concurs. E de apreciat munca si sufletul pe care il pun acesti tineri si indrumatorii lor.Multumesc.
Hard evidences, INTERNATIONAL EXPERT OPINNION: Let's take takeslorant list: Purtata batrana - öreges lassu (pl.gyimes). These now exist in Transylvania as the Purtata family of Romanian dances and the Hungarian Lassú (the slow) in the village of Szek plus the Kettos of the Gymes Csangos. The music is mostly in 10/16. This rhythm is very typically Romanian and can be found in many dances north of the Carpathians from Banat to central Transylvania. No trace of it in Hungary. Verdict: Romanian
lol guys. before any hungarian influence in the music or dance you should know the slavic dances are pretty similar too and some turkish or greek also. like everything in the Carpathian area . lots of influences across centuries and we embrace all in our good old Romanian nation. peace.
Da , sunt niste artisti. Felicitari ! Ii raspund Tatianei : eu pot sa dansez asa, pentru ca am dansat la ansamblu de dansuri a intreprinderii de autocamioane Brasov, pe vremea cand dansurile populare mai aveau intaietate in fata atator genuri de dansuri.
Let take as argument Bela Bartok the famous Hungarian composer, he wrote amazing things about the Romanian folklore like saying that is the richest in the WORLD and he was more interested in the Romanian folklore than the Hungarian one. for example in a single year ,1909, while researching folklore in Transilvania he recorded 320 Romanian songs and only 25 Hungarian songs, so are you saying that the weak Hungarian folklore could have influenced the extremelly vital Romanian one? LOL
Invirtita - forgatos (székely forgatos) INTERNATIONAL EXPERT OPINNION: The Romanian dance is the called the Învârtita or Bătuta with the Hungarian version called Forgatós. This oldest form of the dance still continues in some places (Romanian regions along the northern edge of Transylvania). Unlike the Purtata family of dances, the Învârtita is found with Romanians beyond Transylvania. Verdict: Romanian dance honest Hungarians on RU-vid use the Romanian name invartita.
In Bihor, to the west of Transylvania, the men's dance is known as Ardeleana, or Feciorescul. Elements of Transylvanian dances have found their way to Bihor where they are named Ardel, the Romanian name for Transylvania. Further to the west, the Oláhos (Vlach-like) dances are common in the east of the great Hungarian plain. These date from the 17th century and incorporate features from early forms of the Transylvania lad's dances.
I hate when someone categorizes the music and dances in this area as Hungarian or Romanian. in fact it is Transylvanian music and dances. a culture to which many ethnicities, Romanians, Hungarians, Gypsies, Saxons and many others who lived together contributed. each ethnic group sings and dances in their own style but very close to the others. almost all of its history Transylvania was a separate region either autonomous or independent. and we must learn that even if Transylvania belongs to Romania, not everything in Transylvania is Romanian. all we have to do is enjoy these things and respect each other.
@kirara07lala A trecut mult de cand traiam in conflict. Folclorul de acum apartine ambelor etnii deopotriva si ar trebui cultivat in comun. Prin intelegere si iubire. Numai bine si tie!
@@Tanu.90 what you say its true. there is a lot influences between cultures. but your point of view is based only of your knowledge, because you don't know turkic culture, so turkic elements. I was born in the Balkans and lived there for twenty years. I have relatives in Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Macedonia, Greece, Kosovo, Bosnia, Ukraine. Best regards.
@gogoasacenusie da, pe tablitele din Tartaria sunt litere, care au fost folosite de secui. Intrebarea este, de ce nu exista inscriptii romanesti scrise cu ajutorulul runelor secuiest. Ca in evul mediu a fost gasite mai multe inscriptii, dar fiecare este in limba maghiara (sunt scrise cu rune).
@hioanuh that's a verbunk from the German word werbung (recruitment) has nothing in common with this dance apart from boot slapping a motif originating in the Austrian/Bavarian dance Schuhplattler. Imperial soldiers brought elements of this dance in every corner of the empire thorough those recruitment parties called werbung.
Romanian traditional dances and music,as stright descendant,are thracian origine (dacians,costobocs,carps,..belongs to the same anciant thracian population of Balkans).The same romanian/thracian influence, we find even in some slovak, serbian,bulgarian,greek and even in N Turkey. Hungarian traditional culture have been influenced by romanian culture.All this was proved by Bela Bartok,s studies but your oficials are not agreed to informed the usual people. We know why !!
foarta frumousa, vioara e genial! hungarian and romanian music evolved together in transylvania, to claim exclusivity is stupid, to get an instrument and start "stealing" is what great musicians do for centuries. Gypsy musicians who travel from village to village even today don't care who pays them, romanian wedding party or hungarian, the sad part is that it used to include jews, russins, germans & more and because of hate and disrespect 4 others, Transylvania today is not as rich as it was
@RamanulRoman Hey there! I checked out the channel, beautiful songs! Sorry, I do not speak Romanian, although my ancestors lived in Transylvania, however they were Saxons and Szeklers. That is indeed true, the Romanian language does have Dacian words, in the same way that the Hungarian language has words of Slavic, Turkic, (even Vlach) origin! That's what people mix up, the same goes for Hungarians, who assume just because we have Iranian words we are Scythians. Cheers!
When you live together ,you tend to borrow from each other ,like music,customs,dance,words,etc. Now you understand Pakolangos why does it seems to you that is an hungarian dance ?
Also let's see some other logical arguments: look at the costumes, Romanian wear specific home made costumes who are pretty much unchanged in some cases for at leat 2000 years, look at Trajan's column or at the Arch of Constantine and compare the Dacians there with the Romanian peasants in the painting of Miklos Barabas (what an irony, another Hungarian like Bartok) and be prepared for a shock.
Szia, fogalmilag kisse helytelen, elkuldom emailben egy eloadast, bovebben es jobban kifejti az eloado neprajzos kutato. Amugy az illeto meg taltos is. Tudo taltos , az az , o ra volt bizva e tudas felkutatasa es tovabbvivese ,atadasa , megmentese az utokorra, meg mielott ezt is elpusztitjak.
@AndyMKordo You are right.I have no doubt that they can be found all over Balkans.Romanians (,i'm one of them) like to think they are unique in everything.They forget that the Balkans was for thousands of years a big family with no strict ethnicity like today.
Hungarians had absolutelly no influence on Romanian costumes, on the contrary there are some Hungarians in Transilvania that adopted some Romanian articles of clothing, saxons also. So if there was no trace of Hungarian influence in Romanian costumes how come there is influence in dances and music, well there isn't ,Bartok is a witness Look at the hungarian costumes, almost nothing authentic.
hmm. buna intrebare,dupa cum stiu grecii nu au.Acest pentaton e specific muzicii populare maghiare. Daca e influentata sau nu, nu stiu. Bartok cand a facut cercetarile nu a gasit. A gasit insa elemente de pentaton in muzica din Uyguristan (15%), iranina (30%), turc (30%), armenian (20%), kazah(20%). Ce se tie insa, ca de la vest de ungaria nu se paote gasii acest pentaton.
@petrupatrar If you would read anything other than Romanian books regarding the history of Transylvania, you would know that contrary to the (by the way false) view that the town survived during the Roman occupation (of which there is no evidence) of Transylvania, the Hungarians who captured the nearby castle (refered to as Zothmar by the natives which is a word of Turkic origin not Vlach), was settled by Hungarians from the Szabolcs & Tas clan, and was later populated by Teutons.
Maybe it is just because I am from another culture, and don't understand any of this, but these people are nuts. That being said....they do appear to be having a good time though! :)
@Falconida Pai tu crezi ca batranele sau tinerele de pe vremuri erau ca niste "bolovani"? Eu nu cred,daca vei studia putin iti vei da seama ca de fapt era o necesitate,ceva impetuos sa fii "usoara ca pana" si "eleganta" dar totusi sprintena.
@adiro2007 You are not telling the truth. Word for verbunk is derived from a german word Werbung, werben, which means advertising. No way it´s a romanian word. This dance is spread in carpatian parts of former Austian(-Hungarian) monarchy - Moravia, Slovakia, Hungary, part of Poland and of course Romania. I don´t understand, why you need to "romanize" our common carpathian culture...
@teo208 Please let's not get into historical theories, on a music video. The history of Romania and Hungary currently is being rewritten to suit cetain political needs. You learn the Daco-Roman theory, we learn the Finno-Ugric theory. Neither is correct, and is mostly based on unfounded evidence. As a Hungarian, I must say this is a very beautiful folk song from Romania, let's enjoy the music.
you know what comments like yours do? Do you think about the impresion you make on people reading it? I protect the honour of Romania by my actions, my deeds. Such language like the one you used damaged to us.
@gogoasacenusie Gesta Hungarorum: "Gelou quidam blachus"? Nu se stie daca blachus inseamna valah... Blachus - poate este 1 popor turc, dar si asta este numai o teorie. Gelou = Gyalu. Nu stim nimic sigur, dar termenul de Valah nu este mentionat in Gesta Hungarorum. Ma intreb unde sunt sursele voastre? Sau nu ati stiut sa scrieti, nici in limba latina, nici in limba Daca?
Hm. Doesn't look like fun to me. It all is a bit stiff and wooden and the music is monotone (the male in the background shouting doesn't help). Andit gets a bit tedious, I must say. Perhaps in the ancient days it has been a sort of "boys searches for girl"? But then it would be mor logial to switch partners.....
Isn't it funny, there is something in Hungary related to the Romanian lad's dances and they are called even since 17th century Olahos (Romanian). Also pay atention to the video, do you hear men shouting? Those are strigaturi, specific Romanian, found all over Romania and nowere else beginning with calusarii and other dances like polobocul, sarba etc
@gogoasacenusie runele secuiesti sunt asemanatoare cu rune etrusci. Etruscii au vorbit o limba non indo-europeana, deci nu cred ca au ceva comun cu limba romana.
Pai etruscii erau secui, si imparatii romani erau avari ! asta explica multe. gata...s-a rezolvat ecuatia...si runele din scandinavia la fel.... sunt ale secuilor. ce simplu , cand altii le complica !
Searh on youtube: barbunc, invirtita, haidau, fecioreste. Barbunc called by Hungarians verbunk: A hungarian documentary from 1969. watch?v=4RJfJzp0eME invirtita/invartita: watch?v=ckpNtHDfsdo watch?v=bczym6NDWR0 The Hungarians are calling them by the Romanian name and it's beacause in Hungary they are imports from the Transylvanian Romanians. Haidau: watch?v=uhEgshi116s watch?v=FK5cInkPzZw
What is this horde of Hungarians spamming here that this is Hungarian? And the funny thing is that they give examples that some hungarians from TRANSILVANIA have simmilar songs. Well, except for the Szekely area, and some urban centres were the numbers of Hungarians became important through immigration from Hungary only after the creation of Austro-Hungary in 1867 the Hungarians were a very small presence. Why don't you mention dances from Hungary that are surces of inspiration for this one?
@petrupatrar If you have a contrary opinion, please share your information, I'd gladly answer any questions you have. But calling a statement nonsense is childish at best, cite your sources! I really wouldn't like to pollute this video's page with nonsensical historical argument, that has been settled long ago - regarding any Romanian inhabitants en mass in Transylvania prior to the 13th century. As I've stated above I'd gladly answer any questions you have regarding the subject in a PM. Cheers
the end of this video is a hungarian dance, named fress "csárdás", these dances are from Transylvania, which is a Hungarian region, it becamed Romanian region only 80 years ago. So, this video isn't "Tranitional Romanian".
I hate when someone categorizes the music and dances in this area as Hungarian or Romanian. in fact it is Transylvanian music and dances. a culture to which many ethnicities, Romanians, Hungarians, Gypsies, Saxons and many others who lived together contributed. each ethnic group sings and dances in their own style but very close to the others. almost all of its history Transylvania was a separate region either autonomous or independent. and we must learn that even if Transylvania belongs to Romania, not everything in Transylvania is Romanian. all we have to do is enjoy these things and respect each other.
@hioanuh You tell me? Don't make me laugh, you just found that information at the video with dances from Bonţida: Învârtita and Bărbunc. What you're writing here are words by words what i wrote there as aofg some months ago. You little plagiarist. :) You don't have any ideea what you're talking about comparing Purtata with a Hungarian verbunk.
im from romanian and you might take oh its a cross influence and its happiness towards hunagry and romania, notice that hungaria tried fighting transylvania from romania like a million times for no god dam reason
@adiro2007 imi place musica, ca e din Ardeal, se vede ca au contribuit mai multe culturi pentru formarea acestei musica si dans. Totusi, barbatii nu prea au sange si vitejie... De aceea fecioreasca si verbunk-ul sta mai bine pentru feciori maghiari, de fapt si ciardasul :). Hungarian minority: in vremea cand s-a format musica asta maghiarii cu secuii inca au fost majoritari in Ardeal. Si sa nu uitam nici de sasii si de contribuitia lor la musica ardeleana. Ardealul este 1 loc foarte unic.
Nu se vede ca au contribuit mai multe culturi pentru formarea acestei muzici si dans. Vezi ca e o carte de istorie in magyara...majoritari au fost magyarii numai in zonele cu secui pe care i-au maguyarizat fortat ! restul ...e cancan hungaristic...
so... before 1920 there was a hungarian rule over transylvania, so... who was it that transylvanya belonged to before the hungarians here ? oh whait, i'm sorry how could i forget that my people, the romanians just happened to pop on "hungarian" soil. Man i have 1 advice : read more history and compare facts, it's not star trek it's history and it's not the bible (as in propaganda) it's a little bit far from it.
Bullshit are your nasty words. Read about Bela Bartok,s studies to understand that except the turanic magyar dances and maybe those slovak influenced,the other are simply romanian origine.Romanian dances are not influenced by (turanic style)magyar dances simply becouse there are very old.The deep root of those dances are the thracian root and the main structure of romanians people is quite this,the thracian one (since Herodot knowledges:dacians,getaes,costobocs,carps,.. thracian populations)
@ShawnTebaldi Szatmárnémeti, or Satu Mare as it is called today is an ancient Hungarian town, with a large number of german (Saxon inhabitants) and is between Transylvania and the Pannonian plane, a region we call Partium. Your ancestors were most likely either Hungarian or German, the Romanians only immigrated there in the last century.
It looks like Hungarian dance slowed down and danced by a ballet assemble. After having watched a couple of Romanian dances danced by Hungarians in concession to Hungarian dances, I thought I'd find some genuine friendship along this line, so I thought it would be a good idea to watch some Romanians dance their own dances in concession to other dances of their own, but I'm hardly getting over the first 4 minutes of this. Which isn't to say it is because Romanians are dancing it. I am really happy to watch Irish, Manx, Galician, Norwegian, and some others dances any time - in fact Norwegian is very familiar both in rhythm and structure (rhythm is quite common, but the structure of man and woman's composition are very important, another thing these slavic peoples missed in their dancing many times I see) - this is really, well, lazy and sloppy.
10 лет назад
Having watched it to the end it sped up some, but still remained sloppy and un-dynamic. The zest would be the whole body's intense feeling of the rhythm. It doesn't necessarily need sound, the tension should be seen in the movement and facial expression purely. Going over to other Romanian dances, Bulgarians dance the same thing except again, with more tension and dynamics and diversity in movement. Except for elements that are more of the Russian region, which's elements are from many surrounding Peoples' dances, such as the Georgian, Kazakh, and other Turkic Peoples', also some Armenian.
What's wrong with lazy and sloppy? I used to have a Romanian penpal woman. I asked her to watch this, and she kind of appalled. I know nothing of this. It just freaks me out how the men do all the dancing and they shove the women aside, as if they are no goodniks.
10 лет назад
Lazy and Sloppy is not a problem for a People who have a wish of demise. I didn’t mention in this comment before, but Rom in Magyar means Ruin, whilst Rém means frightening vision, and this is in complete context of Romolusz and Rémusz, which are raised by the mother wolf, where Falka means wolf pack (and Farkas means wolf, coming from Falkas, meaning one-with-a-pack), and is a common word in languages included into the “indo-european” language family for People. The term "indo-european" is unfair, as all People are in worldly relation to one-another. What is classified as "indo-european" are simply People/languages, that had been Romanised/latinised. In Magyar the People are Nép, which is in context with Nap, meaning sun. Magyar are not the People of the Wolf, the Falka, the Rom. Romania did in fact erect a load of wolf-and-rom&rém statues in Transylvania post-Trianon, alongside having deported Magyars so that the population in 1910 was 1 653 943, and in 2002 it was 1 415 718, whilst in 1880 it was 1 043 952, even though big-family was still tradition less than 15 years ago. I have a family-friend in Gyimes, and they are of the newer generation, where the conscious suppression of Magyar People is still whitnessable, seeing as they are only able to have 2-3 children. You are not able to have a well-paying job, if you don’t speak Romanian, and even the wife has to go work, because black bears are being imported from the now Romanian overrun Brassó, where they are wandering in the city. The bears are collected from Brassó, and dumped in Gyimes (which is one of the last safe-havens for Magyar People), but the farmer or hunter isn’t allowed to hunt the bear, because it is protected. Therefore farm-stock is eaten up at a weekly rate, making it impossible to continue Clan-, self-supportive-living, the way it had been done even some 15 years ago. Therefor countless young Magyar People leave their home in Transylvania. The Romanian Gov. has made an Industrial Rom(Ruin) out of Transylvania, even though communism in Small-Magyaria was not National Socialist - unlike that of the Pro-Romanian Ceausescu era that was in Transylvania, wiping whole settlements and areas clear of Magyar People, replacing them with Romanians - and still in Small-Magyaria we do not have the active and dead industrial and monopoly pollution as in what is today Romania. The state of what Romanians have come to make of Magyar Transylvania is reflected exactly in what they’ve done to the Magyar Dance. As for the men dancing, it is common around the world for People to have buck dances. It’s even in the animal world. And here what Romanians have stuck to in keeping the man in the centre-axis is however completely lacking in Slovakian dances, therefore when the couple is dancing they are totally thrown off centre, just like any other society, where man and woman isn’t respected in their own position in which they are naturally gifted to achieve greater heights in - for e.g. a woman in a post-industrial-emancipation society is either indoctrined or forced to apply for a career, unless they are in an exceptional position. Her position is therefore taken over by the state, and also there is a general decrease in child-birthrates since. Men also are at complete loss as to what they should do, although according to their natural instincts (most) still try to occupy jobs with which they can be more of the breadwinner, but they are hardly skilled in any craft to be able to support a small household, and therefore there is no family centre, nor is there a possibility for there to be a self-supportive, centered, non-state-reliant domain, which also means that there will be major social inequalities, which there are. I am a potter, woman, with plenty of crafts-people-friends, so I do know the embarrassment of seeing an "adult" man trying to fix something around the house, and able men both in body and mind are something incredibly rare to come by. It’s not just the women who are completely misplaced, obviously, as in Magyar, a husband and wife are called Férj, and Feleség, both with the root of Fél within them, meaning half of of each other. Otherwise the bride is “MenyAsszony” (pron.:MenUhsson (both n’s are soft, such as in irish “in”), where Meny means Heaven and Asszony means wedded-woman. It is through her that the man becomes the Úr to her, meaning lOrd. This partnership is reflected within the dance, and is exactly the same harmony as it is with the centre of the galaxy, which is surrounded by a whirling cluster of stuff, or the sun, around which the earth revolves, or a fruit’s seed, as it is fed by the nurturing flesh. In Magyar dances (and here I don’t know about Romanian ones), basically (and within these there are varieties that are due to occasion and also districts(like dialects)) there are buck dances, paired dances, and virgins’ dances, and in the latter, only those women dance in a circle who are not yet bearing a child (yet-to-be-wed-girls), or those who are not able to bear a child anymore (the elder women). It is from that circle, that they are always encountered by the man, and this is also in complete accordance to the natural flow of everything, just like the sperm as it encounters the egg, and from then on sporadicates, multiplies.
10 лет назад
Howard Mobley Lol. You confused indo-europeans do just that, dance around in circles. No men left there.
Hey Vatesz, if you want your point come across, next time try to do it in few words. From all the garbage you posted, the only interesting thing was the sperm encountering the egg. Mind blowing how you got to that, but a great idea you should develop upon; I am really curious what happens next.
@bipkatr ... despre care elemente turcesti in cultura romaneasca vorbesti bre ??? Voi turcii n-aveti cultura , religia nu va permite sa cantati nici sa dansati ... Auzi ba , turcii au cultra ... :-))))))))))))))) , se fost doar la f..t caprele si oile .. :-))))))))))))))))
