definitely could have closed it if he had set it correctly. Maybe even the 3.5. and the #4 could have been had within a few months of training. It's a shame he lost most of his strength now.
@@johne3999 Stop your bullshit. Even the difference between 3.5 and 4 is HUGE so maybe he would have gotten the 3 with better technique but def not 4. It has only been closed by 5 offically and it was almost 20 years ago someone did...
@@nvmffs I'm one of the few people who can widescet coc3 but it took a lot of injury and effort to close it. Even a genius in that field is never easy.
That's freaking crazy! I'm more impressed with that than the squat and deadlift videos! He would've closed it on his 1st try if someone would've showed him how to set it.
This was done 2 years post retirement. Imagine if he did in his prime of 2003-2005 when he had all the insane lifts. He has definitely a 3 in him and 3.5 doesn’t look out of reach
This is actually ridiculously impressive. He nearly closed the thing, with zero training or proper technique. If he would have trained grippers for 2 years even, in his prime, he could have certified on the No. 4.
@@1211-n4ddude Ronnie Coleman is stupidly strong. His workout numbers look made up because everything is off the charts. No doubt with proper training, he could close the No. 4 easy
damn Paul, I bet if you taught him to MMS he would closing a 3.5 in a month. no suprises here- a man who deadlifts that much weight for that many reps is not going to have a fish handshake
@onebaldmonkee actually just slightly shifting his grip he would have done fine on his first attempt. for a guy like him.. to really be challenged he needs a 3.5.
Ronnie has inadvertently been training his grip for year via all his deadlifting etc ... not sure if he has done any specialized grip training ..... I'm pretty sure he has'nt w/grippers though - that is a bonafide Ironmind COC #3 for the record - owned by Eric Milfeld
@Abdullah2009 ronnie was a successful powerlifter years before he became a BB..his grip HAS been strengthened immensely from deadlifts and shrugs over decades
I hope Ronnie trains for this and gets Certified for the COC 4 some day. I want to see his name on the official COC board with the others Do I see sponsorship possibilities?
@@SenseiEli I doubt he closes a 1 now, given his current strength and health. Amazing the specimen he was then, but he paid for taking the juice that turned him into that specimen unfortunately. It didn't last because it was artificial.
Although mathematically that is true, the difference as far as training and the way it feels on your hands goes, it's more like the difference between the 2 and the Elite (which is a 3.4, a touch easier than the 3.5). By comparison, I can get the #3 reasonably close to closed, not quite a half inch, but I can't get the 4 to parallel, I can only close the 4 by chest crushing it. Thankfully, there's the Elite, the 3.5, the Super Elite, and the Grand Elite as in between stepping stones.
@@trueredlucky954 As far as I know no one has ever closed a coc4 with the current requirements, the 5 people who closed it just used their "support hand" to "cheat" like half the distance and then crush that last 2cm with the right hand.. So that last 30kg is not just tough for most of the strongest grips. It's tough for EVERY SINGLE strongmen to be exact :)
@@doraafelfedezoofisol Mr. Coleman had the dedication and shear will to close #4 along with good genetics and could hire good coaches :) but now he passed his prime and is suffering from bad health :(
@SAMARTH NAIKDHURE_192075 I'm sure he would have closed it if he actually trained for that, but the original comment just said that he would have closed it in his prime (probably without coaches or training for years with grippers)
The 1.5 and 2.5 are great, but the BeefBuilders are at least equal quality to the Ironmind, both stemming from the master of grippers, Warren Tetting (Tetting still makes BeefBuilders by hand). When I aimed for the #2 (before the Iromind tweeners came out), the Super Advanced (1.4) and Master (1.8) helped bridge the gap, and the Super Master (2.4) and Grand Master (2.7) are helping me with the #3. It may cost a bit more to get all those, but it'll be well worth it. Good luck with your goals.
I got some cheaper ones a coupla days ago which are 300lbs, I was expecting it to be achievable but I can just about close them with 2 hands and inly half way with 1. Google says only 100 people in the world have closed them 1 handed so I don't feel so weak anymore!
I figure most bodybuilders use hook grip and aren't used to fully closing their fist around the dumbell / barbell so when told to fully close a CoC, it's difficult as that portion of their grip isn't developed as much as those who don't use hook grip.
Yeah, its a bit different. But he wouldnt be able to almost close this one without doing those heavy lifts in the gym. But yes, its a different kind of strength, but very similar to and works together with the forearm for any kind of gripping/forearm exercise.
So what, if you don't set it right they're incredibly hard to close. This was a 3. Go to a gym with HUGE bodybuilders, and most won't even close a 2, so mentioning his muscle mass isn't saying much. Coming that close was pretty amazing.
Coleman has a line of grippers and although he never practiced grippers in a grip sport fashion, he did train heavy duty grippers regularly for his forearms. This feat is amazing but coleman did use everything and the kitchen sink to get to this strength level. If he maintained his supplement use and dove into training grippers, theres a very good chance he could have closed a 4 with a pretty wide set.
@khalsasikh I agree, the #4 close that joe kinney did was unmatched. Not to mention he was 40 years old and only 175lbs. Joe Kinney had superhuman grip strength. He also closed a monster gripper he made that took 675 of pressure to close.
Thanks bro! Yeah, the #2 is almost twice the #1. I just got the 1.5 for 7 reps, and then the #1 for 12 reps, so I know now that the 1.5 is definately stronger than the 1. It just didn't feel like it at first. Maybe I should get the 1.5 for 10 fully closed reps before I get the #2.
Ronnie is such a beast - grip has to be trained with purpose though and I have no doubt he'd close it in a couple of months of training at most, maybe just a week to get used to it.
@HandelandJ Your comparison of the 365 bench is not a very good one. Ronnie has been lifting weights and juicing for years, so his grip will be quite substantial. Not even close to being equal to someone benching 365 that has never benched before.
Until you try a #2, 2.5 and 3 you don't understand just how impressive this is. I'm able to deepset close a 2.5, but the 3 feels like an absolute joke. I can't even get half way with it using the deepest set. He has his hands so high up the gripper it doesn't even seem possible that he nearly closed it
@mmamilano Hahahaha, no, because he took it with no warm up which makes it much more difficult, no technique which makes it nigh impossible, and had no set which anyone who knows shit about grippers will tell you closing a gripper from is basically domination of that gripper, not to mention i don't believe he checked (or knew to check) for a dog ear, and had it in the worst possible position. And yet he still brought it closer than a handle's width, hardly even trying.
i say if u would like to be STRONG! give up Bodybuilding... with colemans size in my eyes he should be stornger... but because he has to little bodyfat he loose strenght... I say MAgnus Samuelsson when he was in the competitions... natural borned VIKING! he can push #3 and #4 wiki him... STRONG man and he look small compared to coleman
COC #3 on the first attempt almost closed and I'm sure it even would be closed if he didn't just joke around with it and someone showed him how to set the gripper. This is what you really call "Gorilla Grip"
@ooUooUoo your so so wrong...its only the last bit thats hard.....and you dont think ronnie trains his forearms???????? magnus would have this paper strongman crying into his steroids
no bad considering the dude had zero chalk and very poor hand positioning..... I bet if he trained with them and knew where the sweet spot was that he could achieve the #4 back in his day..... If not, at least the 3.5....
really you don't need to close a #3 to flat press 200 lbs dumbbells for 12 reps. All that is needed is the ability to maintain a decent grip for a few seconds.
not fully closed but damn good anyways haha...anyone wanna see the strongest body builder you gotta check out stan efferding aka "the rhino" dudes a freak
sharpnova2 u can't do that unless u choke it or cheat like hell u see no one has ever done a real certified rep with a coc 4. Not even magnus samuelson.
@stevespielberg It has nothing to do with how meaty his hands are, meatier hands are actually an advantage. He couldn't fully close it cause he didn't properly set it in his hand, but you're right he obviously has the hand strength to close it.
Doesn't he endorse Strongman Grips? Seems like with his size and training background he would be able to close the #3 if he has had any prior gripper training.
@NLT31 i wouldn say way off...he is pretty darn close at closing the number 3 right there..i know the number 4 i as monster, but..i think doable for a man os his strengh. Ive got all the grippers but my first goal i s to close the nr.3 . its tough enough for me :D
...comments here have already said it 100 times, but he absolutely could have closed that if he set the gripper correctly. Impressive how he just crushed it like that so easily, etc etc etc. We all have eyes and saw it plain as day blah blah
The first time you ever try a COC it's hard as hell. Granted I'm much weaker, but the first day i tried a COC I couldn't close the Trainer right off the bat. A few hours later I could close the #1 for reps.
he is a deadlifter, for deadlifts you need a support grip and for closing the grippers you need crushing grip strenght its not the same. deadlifting will help you closing the grippers but you need to work with the grippers if you wanna close them and dont forget thumb and wrist strenght !!!
@khalsasikh Im not sure what your understanding of anatomy is, but grip strength comes from the amount of force your hand and forearm muscles can exert. Same goes for any other muscle movement. Yes tendon and ligament strength is relevant in that they need to withstand the forces exerted on them, but they have no part in exerting the force. So, steroid's function in building and restoring muscle would indeed help with grip strength as it would in the strength of any other muscle.
