This is why I love Rooster Teeth. It seems in every argument both sides are correct but somehow misunderstood which causes this war of confusion which shouldn't happen in the first place. Another great example is the Coin Flip Argument of the Achievement Hunter Office
It’s a doorway that at the time of the recording has been OUT OF SERVICE for EIGHT MONTHS STRAIGHT. It shouldn’t take 8 months to fix something. If it really keeps breaking down. MAYBE MAYBE the airport should look into another means OR just give up and break the door set down and make some decorative wall
thats not devils advocate. a devil's advocate states an opposing opinion to test the strength of someones argument or conviction, or to make people talk about the topic in greater depth. thats not what gavins doing. hes bringing up random things that have nothing to do with the topic and acting like they do. hes just trying to drive him up the wall.
but that's because he lives in Austin and actually knows how long the construction is taking because he lives in Austin. They are arguing 2 completely different points
it has nothing to do with knowing how long it takes. if you see it you see it if you don't you don't. they aren't arguing different points gavin and gus are just wrong. its not he goes there more so it makes sense, gavins argument is stupid. gavins acting like burnie is out of his mind like he doesn't have an argument when the one without one is him. burnies logic is sound and gavins is back assward
Gr33nRiver He lived in LA for 2 months and didn't see it there though. Plus he's constantly flying to LA. He sees the same door blocked off in Austin but no construction in LA
While Burnie is right about construction being there, he sees Austin more often than he sees every other airport so hes going to see more construction in Austin than any other place. Same way me in NY can say that I've seen the Brooklyn Bridge under construction more than I've seen the Roosevelt Bridge under construction. I've only seen one bridge under construction outside of NY. Does that mean bridges never go under construction? No.
Yeah. His point is that if it takes 8 months for this one door to be fixed, he should see a door being fixed SOMEWHERE else, but he literally never does. Think of it this way, for every Austin airport visit, he flies to a different airport. Maybe it's a different different airport, but it is still a non-austin airport. One of those times, he should have seen a door being fixed, if it does apparently take 8 months to fix a door. Either every other airport fixes them fast and is above par, or Austin is slow and below par. THat's his point.
I went through that damn thing earlier this year, and let me tell you, the construction forced me to miss my other flight. Instead of having a grand one way trip, I had to hop three extra flights due to the construction!
Yup. Lemme tell ya just four months ago I went through it and almost smashed someone’s head in because someone couldn’t figure out which terminal I had to go to & kept dropping me off at that same UNDER CONSTRUCTION ONE!!
They were arguing different things - Burnie is mostly arguing absolutes: saying if he sees construction 100% of the time one place then he should see it 100% of the time other places. Meanwhile Gav and Gus are primarily arguing about frequency and probabilities.
SlapNDash what? No. Burnie's point is that in other airports he visits frequently he doesnt encounter as many problems as in Austin, where also this problems dont get fixed. Gavin just misses this completely arguing he doesn't live there so of course he wouldnt see it... but Burnie's argument is that even in LA (where he goes all the time) he doesnt see this. Burnie travels a lot and also visits the city, not just the airport... Im with him on this one
SlapNDash but burnie said "only Austin tho" which is arguing it doesn't happen anywhere else which is wrong. Gavin and Gus are more consistent with their argument.
Burnie's saying that regardless of where he travels, everytime he goes through austin airport there is construction, and that his destination airport rarely ever has construction. say he goes to LAX once a month and Sydney airport once a month, he starts both of his journeys from Austin airport and witnesses some form of construction there everytime he goes from Austin, when he lands at LAX or Sydney, say he'd see construction at either one of those once a year, that's the arguement he is trying to make.
+Diego He has some variations so I agree with you but think the points are similar. What I look at in particular as a very succinct summary is at 1:45 where he is dealing with absolutes and this point is (as you mentioned) missed by Gavin completely as well. There a different variations but they are most certainly arguing different things.
They're both trying to prove their points and that they're right and the other is wrong... But they're both right... But they don't want the other to be right... ugh, I have a headache.
Burnie is right because statistically speaking he should see constructions going on at the other airports he lands on, but Gavin is more right, because obviously you're going to notice more about the one place you visit the most.
Burnie is simply saying that the construction in those specific places that have been under construction forever should be completed, but it never does. Every job should be completed, but states and government suck ass and the state employees are lazy and sorry as hell. Gavin took it the wrong way as always and blew it out of proportion.
This argument, Simplified. You live in a house, on a hill. The 'front' door is on the side, because that's how the house is. Just outside your 'front' door, down the hill, is the neighbors yard. Every time you leave the house, for your twice-daily walk (Unrealistic, but let's roll with it.) he's building a shed, or something, you've never really payed attention. Now, with your twice-daily walk, which we'll say is about 2 miles. Always the same direction. 1 mile there, 1 mile back. You've done this for like two years. You never, EVER, even see someone outside their house. Not even leaving in a car. Not at a window. Not on their porch. You change your walking times. Move everything two hours ahead. Still no one. Which is weirder, seeing the guy build the shed, or never, EVER, seeing something somewhere else? TL/DR, Thing A is common. Thing A happens at place A. Place A is doing Thing A for like a year. You go to Place B. Admittedly, not nearly as often as Place A, but a decent amount. Place B has, never, EVER, been doing thing A. Not even for a little while. Not even for a day, or an hour, just nothing. (Okay, maybe not 'simple')
Lol. How did Gavin blow it out or proportion. All he did was argue, just as Gus did, that he's not going to see the construction in other airports the way he does in his own because he's not frequenting them all. The one who started going apeshit was Burnie, long before Gavin contributed anything to the conversation.
WizardOf That's not the same as Burnie's point. He's saying whenever he goes through Austin airport there's construction and it has nothing to do with him being there most because he sees other airports frequently and they don't have the construction.
I understand booth sides, in my city there's always roads and highways under construction so I understand where Burnies getting at, but also Gavin because I've gone to all of the eastern and southern parts of the U.S. and find a few things under construction but it seems very new or meh to me is because I don't live there and have no clue how long it's been there so I can't complain unless I'm stuck in traffic because of it
Construction on Kauai is slow, really slow. As my grandmother tells it (she is currently) they have been working on a particular road since she moved there 7 years ago. The funniest part is that she rarely ever sees any people actually working there! The goats contracted by the island to control roadside vegetation might as well be working on it as only a quarter of the road resembles any state of completion. It doesn't help when only one major contracting group exists on the entire island, nor does the governmental obligation to hire the cheapest buyer.
Burnie has clearly not spent a single day in New York. Seriously, everyone who visits this city should notice the scaffolding that's been here forever.
The crazy thing is they're both arguing about the same thing, and it's not planes and transportation. It's probability and statistics. Gavin is making the true statement that Burnie's perception is disproportionately skewed by the high number of times he travels through Austin Airport. But Burnie is simply remarking that it's mathematically unlikely how little construction is occurring at other airports during the times he passes through them compared with the high amount at Austin Airport.
They're both right, of course, even if they're not really talking about the same thing. Burnie is right in pointing out that, if it truly takes so construction so long (eight months for a door, for example) to be completed, he should be seeing a lot more construction everywhere he goes, but he doesn't. His point is just that Austin appears to be really bad at dealing with construction, much worse, apparently, than everywhere else he goes because they don't seem to have this problem. Gavin is right in pointing out that these issues actually do exist everywhere else, but Burnie doesn't notice them as much because he doesn't live in those areas so he doesn't have an adequate frame of reference. If Burnie travels to LA and sees something under construction and then, on another trip, comes back and sees the construction completed he will have the assumption that construction is handled better in LA than Austin. But, it could be that that particular construction project took years and just so happened to end between Burnie's trips. I can vouch for Gavin's point to some extent; a piece of highway not far from where I live has been under construction for at least a decade, to the point that it has become a joke in town.
What I love about this is how Burnie is describing his problem in the worst possible way, and at the same time Gavin is focusing on the least relevant part of his argument. It's a Trainwreck all the way through and I'm still laughing all these years later.
Funny thing about this is I just flew out from jfk and one of the main doors are broken. I️m sure when I️ go back home it’ll still be under construction.
For those who don’t get the cross paths, Burnie is complaining about how long it seems to take each construction project (he is actually the one articulating himself poorly here) and that projects don’t seem to take a long time elsewhere, and Gavin is saying there will always be construction everywhere
You're more likely to notice things like that in a familiar place. When you're in a new airport your mind is focused on where you have to go, and you're less likely to notice the construction unless it directly impeeds you.
Theoretically, if Burnie's been to JFK twice and seen construction 0 times, then 100% of the time, he doesn't see construction. Even if he went to Austin airport just twice, but saw construction both times, he's seen construction at Austin 100% of the time. It doesn't matter that he goes to Austin more because the percent of times he's seen construction there will be higher than other places.
I lived in Omaha Nebraska for over 10 years until about five months ago, and DEFINITELY every interstate or highway was/is under construction and it's awful and it will never be fully finished. You're wrong burnie lmao
lul jokes on you. I'm in Arzona we don't get weather and the temperature never gets low enough to break the asphalt, so we only have construction on a road once every 6+ years.
RikuSenpai how? How is Bernie wrong? If he sees construction 100% of the time in Austin, he should see it at least once in any other airport. His argument is sound.
T Swift13 he is typically more rushed when not in Austin as he's usually there for business but Gavin is also right because since he goes to Austin airport so much more he is much more likely to notice the construction.
With that 'The world will always be under construction' line of reasoning, Gavin continues to amaze with his thoughts that I can only describe as logical quicksand. At first, it seems insubstantial and even funny...but then you try and dismiss it directly, and you realize that the more you struggle the more it drags you in.
I've been through a lot of airports, Austin being one of em, and I can comfortably say that Austin Airport is in constant construction purgatory. It's honestly pretty bad.
