Huge opportunities here, considering the possibility of interchangeable parts between the two, models. Pick the better features of either and build your own "scramalayan" or " himalam". A lot of the aftermarket stuff will fit as well, including luggage kits.
300 miles in two days this week. I love my new scram, I can't fault her. I only weigh 67kg. I found her capable for progressing on a motorway. So comfortable and agile, really good fun all round including Green laning ☺️
@@TJA-AZ Yes, it handles the motorway well... Out today, it gets to 80-85 mph . A strong head wind and 70-75. Hills aren't a challenge. So it's no way a speed demon .. I have chopped in my Triumph Speedmaster for this and life's much more fun all round on my new scram by comparison, even though the bhp is reduced by over half!!
@@mrbritesideoftheroad so you are saying that bike can only do 80-85mph full throttle flat out ,and if theres headwind it won't go as fast, lol , I wouldn't wanna ride a bike that I have to redline for entire commute
Can you please let me know whether RE is manufacturing any special Himalayan for outside India? If so, then that is cheating…. Indian customers are not paying less… look at the refinement, spares and service center behavior then you realize …. I don’t know abroad but local many of my Indian friends are not happy ….
@@prabhakarganapathy9469 so basically RE is selling good quality bikes to foreigners so they can enjoy normal day to day city roaming to buy some groceries, and selling average quality bikes to Indians so they can enjoy extream off-road trips. Reviews from foreigners are more important than feedback and complaint from Indians.
My dad has a Himilayan, I was thinking about getting this so I could go on some trails with him but also look good crusing around town. The himilayian is awesome so far and looks good too, only dislike is that its a little heavy considering he has a lot of gear on his. But its a good option for a budget adventure bike.
I'd definitely opt for the SCRAM with a rack/top box using the bike as an inexpensive,urban commuter where I think it would spend 85% of its life. The seat, 19"front wheel and mini GPS are big improvements. In the past I have fitted road tyres to KLR 650s and the like(got rid of the windcatching front mudguard). They make for brilliant commuter bikes - very flick able,traffic tricklers with narrower bars. Brilliant tinkering Enfield - this is a winner.
I think the tripper is as good as useless. A. I like to see the roads coming up before I get to them, but B. If you lose your connection for a brief moment, you got to stop, get your gloves off and go through the whole rigmarole of re-connecting and setting up again... Far too much trouble to consider using it as a reliable instrument to get to where your going on time. Yes, I have first hand experience as a meteor owner.
If I had a budget, I want both Himalayan and Scram coz of its different capabilities 😁. Himalayan for weekend, on the other hand Scram is for daily daily commuting.
I think the styling is an improvement, I never liked the pushed forward headlight on the Himalayan. The major omission though is deleting the centre stand on the scram. That *really* should be standard.
I love the look of the Scram, and even though I've got 2 of the best bikes in the world - the Yamaha T7 and Honda Crf 250 Rally - I'm going to test ride a Scram to see what it feels like. I've visited India many times, love it dearly and feel so happy that they are building amazing motorbikes. x
To make a comparison the Enfield is like the Nintendo switch gaming console of bikes. It does it’s own thing and does it masterfully well. Others can upgrade to a Xbox PS 5 or even a PC. But Enfield still has a lot of lateral movement between all the power bikes. And with fuel prices and emission control and speed limits in most countries it’s simply a safe bet.
Decent air filter. Decent pipe and a power commander job done. I use mine for a 20 mile radius and around town. I don't use motorways anyway so it's not an issue.
Sounds like a lot of people are going to be transferring parts from the Scram to the Himalayan, like that seat and front wheel/tire. Or vice versa, putting the wind screen and racks off the Himalayan onto the Scram. Seems like they would have done better by simply updating the Himalayan line, and offering the Scram as a trim option?
A new Himalayan 450 cc is under testing in India.... It is going to be liquid cooled.... And a brand new engine from RE...... Himalayan is a grand success in India and with the reintroduction of yezdi, RE is facing some tough competition...... Scram, is a good way to increase numbers in terms of sales and people who are looking for a more road focused Himalayan can go for it...... One thing that might be a deal breaker for many people is the lack of switchable ABS which robs it of the proper scrambler character..... Saw it in person that day....... Looks awesome and much more lively than Himalayan..... Overall a good bike.....
@@ranajaydeb2906 honestly.... They have to try to be unique... Just by doing what RE does... It won't ... Look at the yezdi adventure... absolute replica of the Himalayan... Why... They could have made a design which would have been different... Instead of 3 bikes.... Come up with one ... Anyways.. cheers 🙏
Looking at a lot of the pot holed roads around the uk now urban commuting isn't far off adventure travel anymore. Long travel suspension isn't just nice, it's needed.
No main stand on the Scram, adding one would make them equal price I guess. So I would take the original Himalayan that has a rack and screen an I think suit luggage better.
As a Himalayan owner, the Scram seems good, but it keeps all the limits of the former bike: lack of power, lack of front braking, lack of ABS switch, not a perfect frame etc. I love my Himalayan, it's beautiful and fun, but you get what you pay for
This isn’t a bike I’d do a lot of daily miles on like a GS style ADV bike. So for me, the Scrambler is probably the better choice as a daily run about option. Yeah, the seat and the 19” tire would be my preference. A bad seat will kill a day of riding. Trust me. It’s the first swap out on my R18 Classes.
I like the look of the Classic 350 but I'm not sure that the engine would not be enough for me. Why didn't they put the 411 engine into the Classic frame? RE keep doing little things that disappoint me. If there's no centre stand, that would be an example. Deleting the kick starter was another one, as was not making a 500 (and moving the gear shift to the wrong side but don't even go there).
Way prefer the look of the 411, wish they'd given it a couple of stand apart features like a special fuel tank... Also, wish it had a newer, bigger version of the 350 meteor engine... A meteor derived 490 that would smoothly cruise at 80mph and I'd be completely sold!
It seems kinda wierd to me. Offer both front wheel options, improve the seat on both bikes, and don't remove the rear mounts for sure. As a commuter on a motorcycle I need somewhere to stow my rain gear, a change of shoes, and my lunch. Doesn't seem practical to remove that for a commuter biased bike.
I love enfields new series of bikes, just wish they had higher cc options for the scram, classic and meteor. 650 is fine for me but the 350cc - 411cc with 20 something hp is just too low for me. I actually really want the scram it’s just not strong enough which bums me out lol
I already preferred the Scrambler 411 and thanks to Motobob's insight in regards to the seat and front wheel, I'd definitely pick the Scram 411 between the two. This video was done a little while back and now that Royal Enfield's Hunter and BSA's Goldie are supposed to hit the USA in early 2023, I might have to lean towards one of those bikes.
The engine of the RE 350's feels much more refined than the Himy's or the Scram. So I would go for the 350 (Classic, Meteor, Hunter) The ground clearance of the 350 is also amazing. Just ride them both engine's and feel it for yourself.
Definitely seems to be an overall improvement to the standard Himalayan, but I think I'll wait for the Super Himalayan 650 that will probably come eventually.
More weight = less agility on narrow and other technically nasty off-road trails. Its' potency should be enough for a mid-skilled rider to go accross the vast amount of tracks we got around. Why need an elephant when you can have a gazelle?
Fun fact: RE is ditching the old Himalayan platform to Scram 411 because there will be a Himalayan 450 in a similar (visually) but new platform. Currently under development.
Easily my dream bike, Himalayan is good for Indian roads but its not exactly the bike we want on a highway, Scram brings best of both words, i had a Classic 350 for over 5 years, i take pride in my baby, but Scram is my dream bike, planning to get it within next two years.
Love the look of the Himalayan and can see it as a future buy. Many years ago I had an old Suzuki sp370 which I loved apart from the 6v electrics and kick start. This bike seems to have all the positives with non of the negatives.
Hi Tim That Suzuki and all the other enduro & trials that was made For 30 odd years. Never did super bike. Bike MCN.. Ever review the bikes with.. But if you were on the motorway two up with Luggage bla bla bla You couldn't overtake State the obvious as a Put down.. Dont get it... Wasted my money on my hyabusa... Crap on a dirt track . Dont buy one folks. Funny the other day seen 7 or 8 mods on the m5.... Vintage scooters. Vespas lambos Loaded up .. Didn't stop them touring....
Great bike. A lot of Himalayan owners “scramblerized” the Himi with headlight and instrument brackets to remove the tank guards. Great first or second bike. Resale price drop is huge in NOrth America due to the low initial cost. Dealers are still chock full here of new ‘21 Himalayan at $5999 CDN (£3750)
@@Dave-sw2dm good timing. I sold mine this spring for about 1k less right before the dealer dropped the new ‘21s to the same price. Flipped it into my T100.
Like this with just street tires bet it’s a lot of fun low budget motard. Ergonomics perfect for my crappy spine. The seat on the Himalayan completely turned me off. Going to have to check one out
there are couple things i really dont like about the scram, the first, is the style, not because it is not a nice bike but because the parts does not really fit in one unique design like the himalayan, old school things like the front forks the engine ecc mixed up with fancy paintings , it does not really fit for me. yeah you can put luggages on the scram but you have to replace the rear fender with the himalayan one , making it look even more weird. if you are only going to commute there are a lot of budget bikes to look for but the hima really stand out with its own style and great offroad touring capabilities for that price. but hey that was just my personal opinion and the reasons why i choose the hima, but in both cases you are going to buy a really nice bike that will give you lots of memories and smiles!
RE is discontinuing Himalayan soon and I personally feel there is no point in buying Scram now. I feel its better to wait for upcoming himlayan or go with another motorcycle. The other scramblers, adv or dualsports feels much newer and better and I guess RE acknowledges it too.
I’d love one but for me the bhp is the only thing that’s puts me off owning one. I’ve been stuck out in that outside lane after committing to an overtake on a low powered bike and it’s not much fun. Beef these bikes up a little and I’d have one in a heartbeat.
Good video! Rode both of them today they’re both comfortable one big difference is the pegs I think or slightly more forward on the Himalayan. Clearly the scrambler has a more lively feel Thanks mate USA
@@battistamattoni502 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mqaTPU0YhuQ.html Just search "new Himalayan 450" you'll get tons of video about it and spy shots.
@@battistamattoni502 Bikewale a motorcycle channel who said that they have a reliable RE management sources and we in India already found prototype 450cc Himalayan which are being test riding and spy videos are there too. Check out their videos.
For a start you never want a front mud gaurd that low on any dirt,on off raod or scrambler bike. Once you get a rocks and mud in between the gaurd and thr front tyre your front wheel locks up and you ain't going anywhere. You want to lift it up at least 2 inches. It wouldn't be hard to do at all. But for RE to call this a Scrambler and miss this is just funny
This may seem like a minor thing, but I think it would bother me. The decals look cheap. Instead of being individual letters, you can see the outline of the background that they are printed on. Other than that, I really like the looks, but come on RE. This is a cost cutting measure that just looks bad.
Good review, and Yes…. I mean this is not aimed at me - I’m 6”4 and weigh 115 kg, so some might say I shouldn’t comment, but if you are in the running for a bike that is very capable on road and will do you some off road too, you could pick up a relatively low mileage second hand BMW for about this price that will probably out last this one and give you a lot more joy. Just think of the difference in capability and finesse between this and an 800 twin adv, even one that is 4 or 5 years old. I think that is the comparison that is needed - I mean obviously this RE is an amazing price on a new bike, but that doesn’t necessarily make it good value. But like I said, maybe I just don’t see the attraction of a smaller capacity bike because on my size.
@@pggp273 fair enough. At my height there are really only a handful of bikes that are genuinely comfortable for me. I guess it isn’t in the spirit of these videos to compare new with second hand, either, but there is often a lot to be said for getting a more premium bike that is a few years old and been properly serviced, than a new bike that has had corners cut to reduce the price. How about an r nine T scrambler from something like 2016? 110bhp! And I think they look fantastic - brilliant finish. Oh, and made in Europe.
The scram is not so small, I am 5'11", short body, long legs and wouldn't want anything taller. My friend's 6'2" and it didn't seem too small for him. I didn't want anymore power, its more fun riding a lower powered bike fast than containing a fast bike.... Been there on my last bike. I look forward to testing the new Himalayan 450 when it arrives 😊👍
Sometimes a smaller lighter bike is more enjoyable off road and on trails where speed is not needed, and if you bash it up you are not out too much. Also the older bikes miss the warranty so you have to be mechanically minded to keep it running. Both have advantages. It's a cheap entry bike
Good video! So you would take this bike over the bigger one? And does the bike feel like it has cheap parts for the money and what do you think of the ride quality of this bike? Do you think this bike competes with the Svarptilen 401 in markets like India where they prefer smaller displacements? I have noticed that the smaller displacement models is soaring and in demand not everyone is seeking a lot of horsepower now. I like to know your thoughts on this? Thanks
Just to share my experience, this feels more livelier than Himalayan because of the remapped engine and doesn’t feel cheap in any way. The speedometers along with tripper looks sporty and feels good to look at it. This doesn’t compete with the Huskies as the 401 is far more powerful and is of a totally different character and yes low powdered bikes are catching up as many realise thats all the power needed and each type of riding needs diff power requirements!
I’m not sure I like the Beeline/Tripper navigation app. Last week I plotted a long ride from Kent up to the Yorkshire Dales avoiding motorways. Well into the journey I stopped to check that I was on the correct route only to find out that I hadn’t been following the planned route but one that the Beeline had come up with. I was about 30 miles West of my planned route. This has happened a couple of times now so I’m wondering if it me or has anyone else has a similar issue?
Tripper is royal enfield's navigation system which is based on Google, so works quite well. However, I'm not so sure about the Beeline device, maybe you should get in touch with their customer care...
No, and true adventurers go places where the speed of a Himalayan is more than adequate, as is its simplicity - not for your weekend wanabee poseurs.....
It's useless since RE are already testing next generation of Himalayan with new engine and chasis. The pics are all over the net and possible release in next yr.
Royal Enfield needs to change their engine 400c but still less horse power pickup of these bikes are really low balance and life of bike is great no doubt
