They're both very good cards. The 4070 Super's better ray tracing is a benefit in many games, although the 7800 XT's extra VRAM will likely come in very handy within the next three years. I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing either one. It's all about what you value more.
I'm thinking about getting the 7800 since the OC version is cheaper than the rtx 4070 super. I feel like paying 100 bucks more for RT isn't worth it. At least for me.
in short, almost or insignificant difference in rasterization, what changes is that the 4070 super is much better in RT, 12gb of vram and 100 dollars more not worth it..
@@lharsayWTF??? GOOD IN RT??? 600$ card can barely reach 75fps WITH DLSS WITHOUT PATHTRACING and its GOOD for you though it was advertised as a RT CARD???? nvidiaddicts.
@@Pawcio2115 I've considered minimum 16 GB VRAM/ 256 bit for 1440p. Basic videocard for my parameters is 7800XT 16 GB $500 ($5.05 per frame) The next league are 1) 7900XT 20 GB - $730 Sapphire PULSE ($5.74 per frame ) 2 days ago price was - $710 ($5.57 per frame) Total: +13.6% cost/frame & +46%($230) total cost. 2) 4070 Ti Super 16 Gb $800 - ($6.45 per frame) Total: +28% cost/frame & +60%($300) total cost. After making a balanced choice, I bought 7800XT 16 GB in the best implementation Sapphire NITRO+. PS: I do not like low input lag of DLSS or FSR and also RT because it turns any surface into a mirror and takes 20-40% of the performance. The industry took a wrong turn when it began to measure who could generate more fake frames.
That 16gb thing doesn't really matter at least right now. The 4070ti will basically be useless at the same time as the 4070super. 4070ti is like 10-15% faster so in actual performance it'll scratch by a hair longer but VRAM isn't going to save it. You need more performance and Vram to really future proof. A few games definitely use a little over 12gb now at 1440p (Alan Wake 2 High/RT, Cyberpunk with PT Maxed, a few more UE5 Games) but I think for this console generation of games it'll be fine.
@@JordanJ01 DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY, THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAID " DON"T WORRY YOUR 3070 HAS ENOUGH VRAM" 3 YEARS AGO AND THE 3070 AGED LIKE POOR MILK COMPARED TO THE 6800XT
Honestly, the requirements shouldn't go up until at least the next generation consoles like the ps6 and whatever the next Xbox is. So honestly for most games you will be smooth sailing
Upgrading from 1060 6GB, I bought 4070 Super because of that power efficiency. I don't want to increase my bills, and also, it is pretty much my only option as my PSU is 650W and 7800XT needs 700+W.
@@biglittleboy9827 the 1 percent and 0.1 percent lows are worse though. its less stable overall because of the lower bus width and vram. It has more cuda cores which helps it gets more frames slightly but it's a more unstable card. Look at the frame time graphs. 1 and 0.1 lows are incredibly important for a smooth gaming experience.
I am sure that in the next released games these "10% loss" will easily increase to 20-30 %. Believe me bro, these greedy developers will push us to change GPUs every year like mobile phones......
In reality in an era where devs have announced upscalers are required for gaming going forward that performance jump can't be measured because where a 4070s would be playing 1440p dlss quality with beautiful visuals a 7800 xt would have to be playing 1080p native as fsr is flat out unusable for how bad the visual quality and artifacting is on their upscaler. I will also be generous and not mention the 50-120% performance increase between the cards the second you turn ray tracing on which if you even try to argue ray tracing is not needed on a 500+ dollar gpu you are delusional and copying hard.
@@biglittleboy9827 Look at the graph of the 4070S, what is worth more FPS that such a stuttering card has. You see that today you need at least 16GB of VRAM, that's why the 7800XT card is better.
Like the recent 4090 vs 7900 xtx video, the RX 7800 XT's frametimes look either marginally the same or significantly smoother. Look how flat that line is in some of these tests compared to the 4090
why are the 2 graphs all over the place for nvidia but almost a straight line for amd, even though they seem much more favorable when looking at the numbers? Are those lower figures irrelevant if they're jumping around like that? Which is better? Is the graph just 'zoomed in' more on nvidia's side? edit: I'm just commenting after seeing the first clip, of Hogwart's Legacy (as I've seen this before in a video with C77 with the 4070Super vs the 6950XT...)
@@Logan-hh9me Use DDU for a clean driver install, re-install MSI afterburner and make sure everything is on default settings. and then run a benchmark test like Heaven to check that power and temps are stable. and then test your game again. PS. I have an AMD card, Ive uninstalled MSI afterburner. If you have Nvidia, you have to rely on it to show stats and fan speeds
The 7800 XT offers a comparable and competitive performance when compared to the 4070S. In some scenarios, the 1% and 0.1% Lows are better than the 4070S which means that after a few years or months even. 4070 SUPER will struggle. 7800 XT and 4070 S are basically neck and neck in value when comparing price, features and performance.
@@lethanhtung4972 If I'm not using my brain you must have none 🤡! You mean the Sapphire Nitro that's literally linked in the pinned comment and vid description? 🤣🤣 I'll confirm that model is *NOT* watercooled so you don't fry any remaining braincells trying to figure it out.
Can anyone answer the following? In all of those comparison videos between those two cards, the Amd one seems to make the game look smoother. That also occurs in sections where the nvidia is ahead when looking solely on the numbers. I am confused to why this is a thing. Almost nobody mentiones this but I think it's clearly noticeable, especially in slow paste scenarios with long straight lines like buildings and stuff. If anyone that really knows what's going on here could answer, that would help me out a lot.
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Look at the low 1% and 0.1%. That's what's important. If you want to learn the difference between normal fps and low 1% & 0.1% google it.
@@EnreL- No. They are coping and parroting. It will be even worse than the 4070 super. You can see many games using more than 12gb vram and the 4070s still have better perf than the 7800xt. They are just stupid and ONLY look at vram because they are brainwashed. Believe me, when the 4070super will run at 30fps, the 7800xt will be at 15. The 4070s is objectively better in EVERY situation.
It is so encouraging to see that many gamers are finally seeing Nvidias BS of trying to sell you a 12GB VRAM card for $600 in 2024 in the comments. Es muy reconfortante ver que la gente en los comentarios se esta dando cuenta de la basura que Nvidia trata de vender una tarjeta de 12GB de VRAM en 2024 en $600 dolares.
AMD is bullshittier for trying to sell you no RT and DLSS cards for $50 cheaper LOL VRAM MIGHT have problems, AMD ALREADY has problems in RT and without DLSS.
@@anthonyc2159don't be dishonest. Even exceeding the VRAM limit of all games, the RTX 4070s still performs better than many AMD GPUs with 16 GB VRAM. Stop looking only at VRAM, don't be stupid. It's not like it's an RTX 2060 exceeding the VRAM limit. But yes, I agree that it should have at least 16 because even the 3060 had 12 GB.
rx7800 is stable and sits around the average fps at all times while maintaining higher low 1%s and higher low 0.1%s for 400 aud cheaper. I recommend the sapphire nitro plus rx7800 overclocked, a beast of a card that destroys the 4070 and the super version for cheaper.
The big advantage f 7800XT here s the 16 GB buffer.. OC the 4070 S and it ll be even more insane. So not sure what U r expecting from 7800XT. Also sad fact is most UE5 titles perform mu h better n 4070 S than 78000xt. A sign that RT is slowly becoming mainstream and 1 that cus ail 7800xt and almost all AMD cards n future
@@1989rs500 the problem with ray tracing is that every card around the 600usd price point is unable to even come close to 60fps or anything higher and with such a minimalistic amount of difference its not needed. you also suggest overclocking the 4070 super but this video doesn't show an overclocked rx7800 either. I believe they'd perform similar to this video even overclocked just with higher average fps
@@nabil.19 Pretty sure the 4070 Super can do 60 fps average with DLSS set to quality and with RT ON at 1440p res. Also the DLSS is superior to fsr n reconstruction. Also why OC a GPU when 1 can use DLSS and with 40 series the frame gen if its a MUST. I see ONLY 1 issue with 4070 Super its VRAM. Else on all counts its a better gpu than 7800xt
@@nabil.19 No software s as important as hardware today. And what makes you think 7800xt has better hardware? It consumes more power while pushing close to +/-5% raster performance f a 4070 Super. I ve a Gigabyte M27Q ips panel and even at 1440p dlss does wonders compared with AMDs FSR. So no U r delusional to say DLSS ia software and has no relevance
I don't understand why so many people hype this garbage. As for me 4070 ti super sounds much more interesting but it should be said that the prices are not adequate in any case.
@@taufiqhidayatulloh8848 He has multiple setups since he's constantly changing out hardware. Stores carry a lot more than just one type of PC, after all.
Difference in price here for the 7800xt vr 4070 is around $400 more for the nvidia card. for less vram and same performance. No brainer to get the AMD card. Im running my 7800xt on 4k and im Very pleased with it. MInd you some games are finicky due to driver issues but they usually get sorted ... couple games that bug out is no big deal.
I picked up mine for $649 + Tax, was on sale. 4070 was 900 for cheapest one.1200 or more for the 4070ti.if memory serves me. Absolutely stupid how pricey these are now. @@nabil.19
Just bought a 7800XT gigabyte stays 55°C low fan speed and perfect stutter free at 162fps locked on warzone 1440p. What a great card, can't complain at all :)
Ye but with the rx you have way worse Rt performance dlss is better than fsr and you also get frame gen while for the rx we can’t know if amd fluid motion is better since it’s not available yet even if it was i would never consider buying the 7800xt since even the rtx 4070 is better when u turn on dlss and frame and in games like cs or forza rtx 4070 is better
@@Thejacketof-huang yeah 600$ with dedicated RT cores still strugling to reach 60fps in RT with DLSS ON WITH NO PT!. Not to mention that there is insignificant raster performance difference. Good luck with your ngreedia!. They successfully managed to convince everyone that a 600$ is a budget card, yeah who is 💩 here? nvidia or their fanboys? 🤡
you can use fluid motion frames on previeuw drivers and dllss only looks better but and raytracing isnt nessecary those are just extra features @@drakotaz7729
nice comparison 4070 aka 4070 S is good al rounder card but to call itself proper 4070S it definitely should had 16gb vram /256bit bus too within a good pricing just like 7800xt then definitely it would be the best ultimately price is the almighty king
I feel like honestly nvidia now makes these cards for you to then purchase the next gen, pricing and vram is ridiculous, but in their defense, frame gen + ray tracing is at their advantage, at least until fsr 3 is fully supported across majority of DX12 titles which can be a big competitor to nvidias upscaling and fps increasing tech
I recently bought a cheap RTX 4070s with two fans on sale. The price is about the same as an RX7800XT with three fans. I actually wanted to join Team Red as an introduction to gaming PCs, but the 4070s was over $100 cheaper than the market price, so I bought it on impulse. I haven't built a PC yet because I haven't gotten the other parts yet, but I'm wondering if I should sell my 4070s and buy an RX7800XT with three fans. It's currently the same price as the 4070s I bought, but maybe if I wait a bit longer the price will drop. The RX7800XT with two fans is selling for $70 less than the RX4070s I bought. I prefer the quietness and cooling of three fans over high performance and slightly higher FPS. Plus, I have a desire to choose the more minority of any product and belong to the minority. I don't have a lot of money and my only goal is to be able to play games on a WQHD monitor, so I think about what I should do every day. It's hard to buy PC parts in Japan because they cost 1.5 times the price in US dollars. If possible, I would like to support AMD, which seems to have room for growth in the future. I bought the R 7 7700 CPU!
Хороший выбор процессора. На самом деле если выбирать между rtx4070 super и rx7800xt, тут два варианта. Если вам важна трассировка лучей либо если вы в будущем будете менять видеокарту и перепродавать, так как как вы видите в мире ещё не особо любят AMD. В этом плане выглядит rtx 70s перспективно, но лично для меня я бы купил rx7800xt и забыл бы о смене пк на долгие годы. В моем же случае я не играю новинки игр, мне не особо важны эти трассировку лучей, даже если я и буду играть что-то новое fsr вполне устраивает и в любом случае трассировку включать не буду даже в будущем. Даже вот смотрите зачем она нужна эта трассировка которая убивает ваш фпс в rtx 4070s чтобы потом убивать графику dlss. Эти технологии по-сути маркетинг. Я играю например в world of Warcraft, или какие-то шутеры типо warzone мне хватит этой видеокарты на долгие годы, так что AMD вполне хороша за свои деньги, лично для меня. Но говорить что Nvidia хуже я бы не стал она лучше в любом случае, но дороже. Для меня даже ультра графика не столько важна сколько важен натив и фпс, если игра плавная играется я уже доволен. А в 2k 1460p этого за глаза для меня, даже в будущем.
So I am happy that I bought Gigabyte RX 7800 XT for £480 vs Gigabyte 4070 Super for £610. Saved £130 and getting almost the same performance. Good deal I think.
you right. Nvidia charges a lot of money only just with 12 gigs of vram that means you cannot run some games in the max settings. Amd's 16 gigs cards are future proof. Amd is our saviour for budget gaming.
@@Thejacketof-huangТолько ты вот не учел то, что 6800XT стоила в свое время 1000 долларов, а в следующем поколении они выпустили аналогичную по производительности карту, но в 2 раза дешевле, задумайся пожалуйста над своим поведением!
Nada tiene que ver lo que dices, se ve igual en ambas, está usando rasterizado normal de toda la vida, solo varia el rendimiento, no la calidad de imágen.
@@kevinmendozamanzano6838No, de hecho tiene razón, en las Radeon el color es un poquito más saturado que la NVIDIA, pero al ser tan poca esa saturación, mucha gente no lo notaría nunca
@@PanchoGDMKWii lo dudo, tengo un PC con una rx 6650xt y otro con una 4070, y en algún momento tuve una con una rx 590 y otra con una rtx 2060 y se ven absolutamente iguales, si me proporcionas fuentes de ese hecho lo agradezco, de experiencia personal jamás he notado ningún cambio.
If you want a graphics card just for gaming, go for the 7800XT which is also cheaper and has 4GB more VRAM. But if you want a graphics card to work with, streaming, AI, DLSS, RT and 4k (I had both graphics cards and the 4070 SUPER is better in that resolution) go for the 4070 Super. I feel that it is worth making that effort and saving a little more for that 4070 Super.
Действительно, очень интересное сравнение, ещё хотелось бы увидеть RTX 4070 ti Super vs rx 7900xt. Интересно узнать, доделали ли драйвера AMD для 7900XT, так как 7800XT с последними драйверами летает (по сравнению с тем как она работала на выходе).
If 7800 xt will continue to cost 500$ then I will buy it, After all in 1440P it has more than 60 frames, that's enough, I don't see the point of paying +100$ for DLSS and RT
The 4070 Super also may be a good choice for running Stable Diffusion. Considering Nvidia has admitted that the company is no longer a graphics company but an Ai company.
it's more likely that a 16gb gpu will become obsolete before it makes use of the extra vram. if u get a 12gb card today like the 4070 you're probably going to be fine for 3-4 years but that's expected for a mid range card
Planning on building SFF but cant decide which GPU to get. RTX 4070 S or 7800 XT RTX 4070S -> better g.power, better RTX but high temp 7800 XT -> lower temps, 16GB VRAM, cost lower in my area
Why would you test hardware in games that no one else plays? Yes, they came out sometime recently or not so recently, people lost in them and forgot about them, you need to make another list of online games.
so small performance difference but significantly better ray tracing, upscaling and frame generation and the remix tool for people they want to remaster games but thats a small portion of people but yeh i would fork $100 extra for all of that
@@ij6708 yeh the 12gb of vram is disappointing and you dont have to use dlss but using features like ray tracing which i am a big fan of just like it when games use cool tech its just the other features that come with it are a fair bit more ironed out especially dlss where its gone to the point where i turn it on to make the game look better cuz it gets rid of aliasing and i get a bunch more spare frames to use and since im not a mega swet esp french cs player i dont care about super fast inputs
@@ij6708 i mean its cool that fsr frame gen can get modded into games now but it just ends up looking like shit alot of the time theres just way to much artifacts on the screen and thats because it wasnt actually implemented by amd
hello guys, which combo is best to play at maximum graphics and many fps, for the moment in 1080p but in a few months I will change to 1440p, ryzen 5 7600x and 4070 SUPER or ryzen 7 7800X3D and RX 7800 XT... I need to resolve this question, thank you
on one hand 16gb vram for a decent price, very useful since the trend of games right now is going for higher vram usage. on another, better ray tracing and upscaling for (in my case) 200 dollars more, one I could do without and the other becoming increasingly necessary as games become more and more demanding/unoptimized. what to pick...
How is your RX 7800 XT never touch above 50°c ? My XFX Merc 319 can reach 68°c during gaming. What AIB card did you use ? Update : it's actually because somehow my out of the box cpu fan curve setting is suck. The fan never reaches 100% speed. After I play with it a little, the max temps is now much lower and never reach 60°C.
Th 7800 xt is like a powerful racing car that drives very well but has a shitty ac uncomfortable seats and a bluetooth speaker for radio. There are also beautiful cards available, there is a sapphire that is also white that would be perfect for my build, and the price is perfect, but all the things that nvidia does are important for me... I'm considering to buy the pny and deshroud it to make it white
Even when compared with similar graphics cards with three fans, the GeForce's fans spin at high speed and get hot, but consume less power. On the other hand, Radeon has a slow fan rotation and is cooler but consumes more power. I find it strange that the same phenomenon occurs in many videos.
See? When Radeon got the smoother 1% and .1% lows, nobody bats an eye. But when GeForce did it, everyone praises it and downplayed Radeon cards. 😂 Same thing happened with the power consumption. Nobody bats an eye when GeForce takes more wattage just a generation ago but immediately rages when Radeon takes more wattage now. 😂
AMD could be 50% faster than Nvidia and double the VRAM but the masses would still buy the Nvidia GPU touting DLSS and other features....it is what it is.
@@hadifelani it's all you hear these days. In fact, when people talk about Nvidia.... DLSS is often the first thing out of their mouths then Ray Tracing.
"4070S has higher performance than 7800xt" You're not seeing what you think you're seeing. This is bogus clearly cheating going on. Look at my comment above.
походу это фейк тест. Судя по частоте 7800. Она урезана, а 4070 чуть разогнана - температура гораздо у зелёных выше чем она должна быть и частота прилично выше заявленной, так а у красной на оборот частота урезана где то на 150-200. У меня стоит как раз 4070 у моего отца как раз обновленный комп с 7800. у него обычно в играх частота 2650-2700 ну около того. а моя зелёная не греется до таких температур, но и частота чуть ниже. ПОдозреваю я фейк тест, но всё может быть, всё таки я не тру ПРО. В добавок в других тестах другие результаты
Even though the 4070 super has less vram, i feel like the 4070 might have longer legs than the 7800. The 10% ish loss is not that bad now but I see a really concerning trend where developers are relying more on tech like dlss and stuff to do the heavy lifting for performance instead of taking the time to optimize the game and this performance gap willjust get bigger or not improve. on paper, the 7800 should win though..
@@joaquimsantos4956 Stop the cap kid🧢,you did nothin in 20 years and stop being a hypocrite in front of me,you said ,,7800xt is better" that mean you are the fooled guy here
In my eyes in 1440p It doesn't really justify the $100+ price difference between the RX 7800 XT and RTX 4070 Super depending on the model. The RX 7800 XT is a better value by a good margin.
Ray tracing is just an effect not realistic created by Nvidia as marketing strategy, plus they can't play with our money castrating the vram. Choose rx 7800 xt that is still improving with drivers and fluid motion frame, or rtx 4070 ti Super.
AMD needs to work on FSR big time. Otherwise there is no way they can beat Nvidia. AMD cards may outperform Nvidia in raw performance. But everything changes as soon as DLSS and Ray tracing are turned on. Nvidia ftw!
are the temps the edge temps on both cards?? looks like the 7800XT is definitely reading the edge temp, not the hotspot. This is the first time I'm seeing the 4070 Super running that much hotter than the 7800XT (at ~50watts less....). To me, it looks like the AMD card is reading edge temps and the Nvidia card is reading the hotspot.... If so, why no disclaimer? (I have used 2 7800XT's and 1 7900XT and I know exactly how hot/cool they run, and sub-50c in Cyperpunk77 to me means edge temp for sure - and , again, I just cannot imagine the 4070 super's EDGE temps are that much hotter.........)
Both cards are way too expensive for "midrange cards" especially 4070S with that thin 12gb vram.Back in a day gtx 560 and HD 6870 could smash through anything for 240 bucks.
7800xt should still be called just 7800 and GRE card 7800xt.Even with inflation current 7800xt should cost 399$.Despite better RT 4070S should also cost 399 as HWU shoved 6800 is now better overall even in RT thanks to vram.Same will happen here.
Already feel nerds in the comments who are obsessed with 16gigs of VRAM, and would prefer AMD only for that reason, even though 4070s is really cool product and won in every single benchmark xD
i've built a new pc a few month ago with rtx 4060ti. got rid of it after 2 weeks because of the short vram. bought a rx 7800 xt and its very powerful but im having so many issues like stutter and frame drops in some games since i have that card.
@@TheTryingDutchman ive done nearly everything thats possible. I reinstalled drivers, other drivers, chipset drivers for Motherboard, different Windows settings, different amd settings, wiped the whole system and reinstalled Windows 10, Updatet to Windows 11, downloaded every Windows Update, changed BIOS settings, Updatet the BIOS to newest Version, and many more. I think i will sell it and buy an RTX 4070 super or Something else. Its sad cause i really Like amd for the price/Performance... Nvidia you have to pay 1000€ to get 16gb. Thats bullsh*t...
The Last of Us @2:55 the resolution scale was changed to a higher setting resulting in lower performance fps numbers for the 7800XT how is you thought no one would see that? Are none of you content creators trustoworthty anymore? If not for that the 7800XT is beating the 4070S in that game.
I could play it with my old RTX 3080 10GB Ultra Nightmare preset in 1440p so I don't know where is the problem with that 12GB. I bought an RTX 4080 back in March last year and I've never really see more than 10GB allocation not in game usage in 1440p though I've never played TLOU for example but in other games maybe allocation was higher that 10GB but in game usage always around 9GB.
I really couldn't imagine spending 500+ dollars on a graphics card knowing it will be unable to ever use ray tracing and the upscaler is so bad that it's unusable so I am automatically locked to 1080p in most games. The thing never proven in benchmarks past simple fps counts is how usable the card is in real world usage
