Running out of runway! | Emirates Flight 407 

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Maybe it's just me but, I'd have thought, if the plane is refusing to go airborn and it's already past V1, pushing the throttles forward should have been one of the first things to do, not the last.

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Damn the resolution in this video is by far the best I saw so far from all the aviation youtube channels 👍

Yea opera is ccp I will never have anything to do with that trash. No matter how bad the others are they are bound by a certain level of accountability. In 2016, Opera was acquired by an investment group led by a Chinese consortium. Those of which are all ccp controlled. Glad you got paid though and keep it up, just be aware of what you are selling and do the same research you do for your vids.

what an idiotic feature on this plane. Enter the wrong sum of fat people and you get to crash the plane. There should be an automatic overide by the plane's computer, when it the pilot still pushes the throttle and the plane isn't rising.

​@@chriswysocki8816 What feature?? As in takeoff calculations? They're a basic part of every single aircraft operation ever. Every student pilot learns how to do them. Yes, if you put the wrong input into a calculation it gives you the wrong output. As the video explains, there were several redundancies that should've led the crew to catch their error. What fucking automatic override did you have in mind? Should they install an electronic scale system into every seat at a cost of millions to prevent an incident like this? An incident that has literally occurred once - hence why there are hundreds of youtube videos about it. Passengers are just one part of the takeoff weight consideration - you could just as easily mistype the weight of fuel, the weight of baggage. The automatic override you suggested doesn't make any sense. As the video explains if you actually watch it, the whole point of V1 is that it's the point after which you CANNOT cancel the takeoff because there won't be enough runway to stop. In this case, given the V1 speed was based on a lighter weight, it probably would've been too late to stop even if they realised and aborted takeoff BEFORE V1. Vr (rotate speed, IE takeoff speed) is almost always after V1 - so by the time the plane "realises" that the pilot is trying to takeoff and is unable to, it's obviously too late to abort the takeoff anyway. The plane doesn't know its own weight, it only knows what the pilots type in - so there would be no way to design a safety system that realises oh, I'm accelerating really slowly considering how light I am. In the end, you can't remove all human involvement in flying a plane. Human error is a factor in the vast majority accidents, and that's why there is a lot of research and thinking dedicated to how the human pilot works and what their limitations are. As part of my commercial license I had to take a whole exam just on "human factors."

@@chriswysocki8816 You'd think if such a feature would work, they would have implemented it already

@@Hazza4257 The baggage is already weighted, it should be possible even with the passengers without great and inconvenient costs maybe while the passengers walk through the gate, nothing really special. And the tickets should also depend on the weight of the passengers, Odd that a guy of 60 kilos have to pay the same of one of 150. We will go there for sure, just a question of time, starting from the low companies.

@@chriswysocki8816 What does this have to do with fat people?

They would have clapped their hands for sure...

@@kenlee-97 As an avid clapper, I can tell you clapping would be the last thing on my mind 😂 I'd be sprinting to the exit the second that gear touched the ground 😂

So true….other flights had close calls, landed, but then showed passengers dragging their carryons luggage down the inflatable slides and walking away with them, as the plane smoked behind them and there were fatalities. At least 2 examples of emergency landings have video showing many passengers immediately blocking aisles to go thru overhead bins and grab their luggage.

I was a passenger on this flight and I had a blast!

Great point, vaclav! I was waiting for someone to point that out!

Sure - but complacency and laziness kicks in more often than you think.

Laziness is a helluva drug

I agree. Sometimes, it's either laziness (in combination with) the need to be somewhere per the airline's policies (overtime - Ex, the KLM captain of the Tenerife disaster, etc.) to meet a deadline, or, on another rare occasion, an ego trip by the primary crew to not be questioned by others. When it comes to psychology, it's easier to skip many checks because flight crews have grown so accustomed to how aircraft have so many reductant systems in aviation/ aircraft safeguards that it's more likely an unseen error will occur. However, like Swiss cheese, something will still likely go wrong through all those gaps unless they still cover all their bases, no matter how experienced the flight crew is.

Absolutely, the green dot speed was 40 knots lower than it should have been

Lmaoo😂😂😂

@@GreenDotAviation I have a question. Why did not takeoff config warning sound in the cockpit?

​@@eknowledge7309I think because they configured the plane correctly according to what they entered into the FMC but I might be wrong

@@eknowledge7309I believe this is because the old MCDU software was unable to determine there was an issue because it trusted the pilots input and didn’t run its own calculations on it.

That’s what I’m going for! Thanks so much 🙌

It's normal in Emirates. Don't get fooled by the glitter of this country. It's one of the most brutal dictatorships ever seen.

And not only that but the aircraft was also brutally written off after maintenance and flying Dude they harmed everyone even an innocent plane :(

Fr tho

They absolutely deserved to get fired for their incompetence

​@@abdullahamin4527like you know how to fly a plane

Also- i can imagine -Arabs are very friendly people -and can be quite talkative sometimes...

​@@kenlee-97I could find some articles suggesting that the captain was European. A good percentage of arab airlines are flown by americans or Europeans, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of pilots were non Arabs

@@kenlee-97yaay the racist comment I was looking for

@@pardisgronette4556 There are very few Arab pilots - and ALL of the few are connected. Get it?

Former EK crew, worked many years in first class. I never disturbed the flights deck in this phase of the flight and Emirates is very strict and very professional. I never seen people just going to flight deck in this period, only ground staff with loading sheet or engineers.

100% I’m going to miss 4-engined planes in general. Swiss and Lufthansa still have a few A340’s at least!

@@GreenDotAviation The A346-Neo just made its inaugural test flight a couple of days ago with Air Canada livery; therefore, there still is hope :)

Hi DB, could you confirm something Green Dot said in the video? Why was the plane in a situation where the maximum landing weight of 243 tons meant they could only carry a small amount of fuel. Shouldn’t planes have fuel for several go around attempts and alternate airports. Is it Emirates fault for overloading the plane, a quirk of the route they were on, or is the weight situation of the A340 that precarious by design?

I also love the a340

@DisasterBreakdown i love your channel

Hard agree! What I prefer over other disaster breakdowns (which have merits of their own) is that these cases are told as a *story*. As a viewer, you feel like you are a passenger on the plane, often not even being aware what exactly the problem was or is until the end. This makes them so appealing to me at least!

@@elliots4421 We have both channels to watch, don't we? Why put "or" in a world that "and" exists?

Mentour Pilot and Green Dot are the standout channels.

That's our goal! 🙏

I can tell you're Irish and probably from the Dublin area or thereabouts.

This model isn't underpowered like the -300. Actually, it's a beast.

They use the curve of the earth to aid take off.

😂😂😂

​@@EdOeuna😂😂😂😂😂

@@EdOeunaGenius comment lad 😂😂

My pleasure, glad you liked it 😄

GreenDotAviation, what simulation software do you use to create such high quality content? I have been wondering this for ages.

Do you know what happened to the aircraft?

@@patpat5135 Repaired and went back to service. The rear bulkhead had work around the tail strike. It was pierced. The crew rest compartment “CRC” was above the damaged area below the cabin, in the cargo portion.

@@ektrolleyboy thank you very much

Then you would be one of the biggest liars on the plane, Oh don't worry this is normal, Knowing d*** well it's not normal, and your lives are about to end in 30 seconds, LOL.

Better to know than not to know when it comes to this, I guess? Like if you actually smell smoke (and it's not from cigarettes or something), you'll know to notify someone quickly, due to understanding how deadly plane fires can be. (I assume even if the pilots are aware of it, it probably won't hurt to have a 2nd confirmation-- and if they didn't know about it, it might be information that can propel them to take action sooner.) (Though we also understand the principle of ANC-- aviate, navigate, and communicate, so we won't panic so much even if there's zero communication-- it just means they're focused on flying the plane.) I've never truly understood those plane accidents until I watched these videos. And if you ever become a head flight attendant, you might get called to the cabin for such a briefing some day, haha... but flying is really normally very safe.

Air India Express Flight 611 actually hit a brick wall like that, but thankfully just with the main gear. What's more insane about the Air India Express Flight 611 was the fact that the pilots tought that everything is alright and simply kept flying to Dubai.

easy to say in hindsight

That’s what we’re going for!

Does Fiji has B787.?

@@brettdemauna9994 Opps. You're right! I just checked and FIJI airlines doesn't have any 787s. It's my mistake. It's an A330 and the planes registration (DJ-FJT) is actually correct so that is good attention to detail. The last time I visited Melbourne airport I noticed a FIJI airlines airliner sitting at a gate position similar to the one in the video, it was several hundred metres away from me at the time and for some reason I assumed it was a 787.

Emirates and other airlines like them are very strict with incidents and safety and somthing like this would have constituted a severe punishment in their standards of operation

Typical response from EK

It’s just pronounced “Melbourne” right?

I can't understand anyone mis-pronouncing Melbourne -- what do they say -- Mel-bour-ne? I've never heard it pronounced incorrectly, I've been there, it is a great city! The people are so nice and friendly, but I've never found Aussies to be any other way!

@@hotmetalslugsIt’s pronounced “Melben” as an Aussie or a Brit, or “Melbern” as an American. Some people pronounce it as “Melborn”

MELb'n

wdym pronouncing it properly? 😂 he pronounces the 'r'. it isnt melbern but melben 😂

Why Captains do not refuse to fly when they're given an overloaded plane. They refuse to fly when they find any passenger suspicious, but they don't refuse overloaded flight which is so dangerous.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Glad you enjoyed it DLC! Lots of work went into getting the right shots on this one :)

He even tried his best

Same. I binged hours of plane videos

That's what we're aiming for, thanks for commenting!

Much appreciated!

Such strict procedures is what makes this airline safest and best in the world, dont stick your nose into something you don't know about.

@@feddo84 It wasnt a violation, it was an honest mistake. This will only make emirates pilots not want to report their mistakes, which is very unsafe. And changing their procedures after this, only means that emirates clearly had inadequate procedures to uncover this mistake. What makes aviation safe is learning from mistakes, not punishing those who made them. Looks like you are the one who doesnt know nothing about this

@@feddo84 Safest and best? You're kidding right? EK521, EK407, the 777 that nearly nearly didn't climb out after takeoff.

@@peepa47 entering a 2 instead of a 3 was a mistake. However not then following the SOP's which would have caught this error was technically a violation

You must not know how Dubai is. Lol.

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But these pilots also frequently flew the much lighter A330 and A340-300 so they had to deal with loads of different numbers all the time

Delighted to hear it!

Same, not sure the narration is correct. Fuel calculations include alternate airports and minutes of holding, surely it’s within the maximum landing weight??

I think what he meant is that with the tail damage it might have to do multiple tries on the landing to see if its possible or get the gist of the control with the damage (as the damage could of gotten worst as the skin was perforated and could succub to more structural damage, did did not know to what extent the damage was. But I agree that typical landing fuel would have extra fuel for emergencies already included.

Exactly my thoughts. That part doesn't make any sense. Whatever fuel would've been on a typical landing for the plane would have been sufficient I think. However, I'm not a pilot, but it makes sense.

This immediately struck me as an error when I heard it. At normal landing weight, an aircraft should have enough fuel for several go-arounds and then to proceed to an alternate airport.

Either Green dot made a simple mistake or someone at Airbus or Emirates made a very VERY bad design decision. If a fully loaded A340 could only safely land with almost no fuel then it shouldn’t be fully loaded or the engineers need to go back to the drawing board. If it’s true then there were many many holes in the Swiss cheese model before it started

this is so out of context

@@Anna-ih7yb ?

Oh my goodness, yes!

Random World War II story: my mother's cousin was a waste gunner in a bomber in World War II. He flew 25 missions and all of the crew came back safely. He returned to the US and wanted to get his pilot's license, but his mother had to sign for him because he wasn't yet 21!

Interesting idea. Semi trucks have similar mechanical systems available so it's definitely doable.

⁠@@andrewthomsonsemi trucks don’t have their wheels slammed into the ground repeatedly

They have trialled this in the past but unless the plane can do a greater of a landing every time the sensors kept becoming unreliable and giving bad readings so had to be recalibrated all the time

@@tomstravels520 logging trucks do.

@@andrewthomson not to the extent of landing aircraft

Glad you like them!

Thank you very much :) More videos to come

Thank you, that’s the plan!

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There have been a few!

@@GreenDotAviation Woah, really? Such as? Love your videos btw

the problem was the FMC apparently couldnt calculate its own perfomance speeds, so was reliant on the EFB to do the weight and balance.

@@Sovek86 i know…….thats the point I’m trying to make. Hardly any commercial aircraft uses the FMC for takeoff performance

Thank you! That’s the plan 😄

Enjoy it!

Welcome! ✈️

Thank you! More coming 😎

No Problem 💪

Glad you enjoyed it!

@@GreenDotAviation I did enjoy it! Thanks so much! 🙏

Yea the whole time he said the airplane wasn't pulling up i was like apply full power! Then he narrators they try to pull up even more 😅. I would of yell full power! And put it in toga. But then again in a stressful situation you don't really think. It's easy for us to say it but we won't in that moment with all that stress. You panic and don't think of the solution. Lucky they did eventually think of it.

They should have rejected the take off.

@@EdOeunathey didn’t have enough time to stop

@@codbot3251- the should have recognised the slow acceleration and then stopped. Clearly above V1 you can’t stop, even if it’s the wrong V1.

@@EdOeuna I’m not going to watch it again to see but I’m pretty sure it accelerated at a normal rate, it’s that the plane was 20 knots short of the speed it needed to get off the ground

Glad you enjoyed it! You can contact me on greendot330@gmail.com

Glad you enjoyed it John!

@@GreenDotAviation bit harsh what they did to the pilots without much due process or thats how it appears

Well idk first time I hear that, did you factcheck it? Idk whether having Opera is so dangerous.. @@RoCream1

Whenever someone says that something "is known," it almost always means they heard it somewhere from someone. Kind of like the "fact" that it "is known" that the 2020 election was stolen. In fact, Opera is one of the least intrusive mainstream browsers in terms of collecting user data. And with a trivial effort, all tracking, from the browser and from websites, can be blocked. Virtually all of the "tracking" that Opera does is short-term memory holds for browsing data, used to speed up page loading times. And even this function can be easily and fully disabled wit 60 seconds effort. Rather than spew what "is known," it is better to actually do a few minutes of research with one of the many, many authoritative sites which actually test and report this information.

"Opera is one of the least intrusive mainstream browsers" - tests by independent computing magazines have proved otherwise, I read a lot of sources on how to protect your privacy and did a lot of research (did you? It doesn't look like that) Inspecting the networking of the app shows that Opera sends telemetry data on almost all websites you visit to its manufacturer. Did you even google about how Opera treats your privacy? It definetly IS NOT a browser that respects your privacy like a non-intrusive browser such as Firefox would. Additionally, if you need to block the built-in tracking of your browser by yourself because that's necessary in the first place, I don't think it's a privacy-friendly browser at all - obviously?! Just stop trying to de-bunk information that clearly is available to the public. The fact you need to focus on my expression "it's known" shows how little actual facts you can deliver on that topic. @@petercollins7730

It isn’t in most cases, and this opportunity for error has been closed. Flying is the safest form of transport per mile because procedures are always being improved like this. Every incident or near miss is an opportunity to learn and improve. This is why I feel perfectly safe flying.

Think about how easy it is to crash your car and die. Much worse than flying on a plane 😐

The car crash analogy is a fallacy. Flying is inherently dangerous and if everyone were to drive to flying standards there would be no car crashes, let alone fatal ones.

@@maesc2001 Stepping out of your house is inherently dangerous. Air flight being held to a higher standard is precisely why it is statistically safer than driving. But you never hear people commenting about car crashes making them afraid to drive.

@@maesc2001 but they don't. Do they. And a heck of a whole lot more people die in car crashes. You haven't really proven that the car crash analogy is a fallacy, you've just said how safe driving would be if we drove by flying regulations. But we don't. This is the real world, not theory land. Therefore also proving my point that it's much easier to make a fatal mistake driving than it is flying.