WHY Couldn’t they CLIMB?! | Emirates flight 521 

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I am totally shocked that boeing had no clear audio and visual warning (like a fat red frame around the main display or so) if you press toga but autotrottle doesn't come with, that this is highlighted. That is sooooo not understandable, that is criminal to not highlight this information.

Well, without watching your video yet. If I wasn't climbing immediately after rotation, my first instinct without even thinking about it would be to check the flaps... But in this case, I don't blame the pilots at all. It was an unfortunate result of automation doing exactly what it was programmed to do...

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why aren't we developing a system to prevent critical information going unnoticed? A small screen in the cabin which is set to destination airport, showing all the recent updates like an instagram feed, no matter which radio channel you are using, what you are hearing or not. Each tower has its own channel, where they constantly post stuff like Lufthansa flight bla bla.. aircraft type bla bla.. go around due bla blaa.. Emirates flight bla bla... aircraft type bla bla.. landed, experienced heavy tirbulance Qatar Airlines flight bla bla.. aircraft type bla bla.. landed... bla bla.. Pilots can use the screen to monitor what is going on at the airport no matter if they are on the other channel or different people talk over eachother and something goes unnoticed. This whole thing can be done without any complicated engineering application. You got internet or some other connection both on the plane and in the tower right? All you need is few cable connections, a small monitor in the cabin, a software update or an extra computer for the tower where they can automatically or manually enter the recent activity, and a server somewhere to connect it all globally. I swear with help from a few friends, i can fix this dumb problem in a short time. On the other hand the entire industry is acting like there aren't many simple solutions to such simple problems. The cost of such a system would be laughable even if a single airline was paying for the entire thing for every tower and plane, alone. I don't even know how many times we heard "they didn't hear it" in your videos, and i dont know how many of them ended with tragedy. I am not sure if the industry is full of really intelligent people or just a random bunch who just convince themselves that they are intelligent. People follow eachother's every move on social media, we all know who was where, what they ate, what they did.. and all that crap. You can't follow what is going on at the airport where you will attempt a landing soon. Sorry for the language but as a passenger, hearing such stuff is just pissing me off.

Yes, indeed.

Amen

I share those sentiments.

@@salemabdulalhassam3726 you would if he gave his life to save you or one of your family and friends (assuming you have any friends)..... I have seen a lot of rubbish in comments on RU-vid and other places but never something so insensitive. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself and you need to go away and think about what you have said and what sort of a heart you have.....

@@garyhaber6957 lol get lost. Greetings from Dubai

Indeed 💕💕😔

@@MentourPilot Much appreciation for your channel and all your incites and comments. You are a pilot any passenger would feel glad to have in the cockpit.

Yessir. A really important thing to remember. This firefighter must be on history honor roll of hero. His courage, dedication and sacrifice touches our hearts. As you importantly point out even one is very sad. Thanks for reminding us!

I dont know what's worse: being the only one who died or being the only one who survived

​@@uebankarasov Personally, I would prefer being the only one who died. Especially if I was rescuing others. I could rest peacefully knowing that I had done my job and done it well. Contrasted with if I was the only one who survived, the survivor's guilt probably wouldn't let me live a peaceful life.

If this is true I commend you and the rest of the crew on the evacuation. I've heard people give crew members crap for it being a "just a server job" not realising how much more work and training it is. It must have been such a stressful experience, especially with so many of the passengers trying to bring their luggage and causing blockages while only a few exits worked! I hope you recovered quickly from any injuries and still enjoy flying

@@rustledjimmz8967 I appreciate it! I quit flying two years ago, but yeah it was a very stressful situation, even tho the whole training is very intense, when it happens in real life you have to count on your gut on the decision making. Flight attendants are a little bit of everything: psychologist, nanny, nurse, waiter… so proud of all of them!

@@_natalycamillo - Well, congratulations to you on losing your "dream job" with Emirates. Someone died in there, so they probably had to blame all the crew and just get rid of them asap. That company is a disgrace to all the aviation community. You are also a disgrace, because you actually were an Emirates slave. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Is he still flying?

@@under90secondsI honestly don’t know!

Fortunately the ethos in aviation (the the level in which I fly - UK GA - as I document on my channel 😉) is to not 'blame' but to 'learn'. Indeed, if we never learn from an incident, we can never improve systems to negate similar scenarios in the future, thus saving many more lives. Alone, this is why aviation is almost the safest way to travel today.

Like the Japanese rail disaster where the driver was going too quick. It was actually attributed to the toxic culture of being on time and being punished if you were behind.

Exactly, i started working for a company that is very heavy on blaming and sacking people for their mistakes, below management. So Ive tried teaching them how there is a root cause for errors and mistakes, but idiots. We cant change the world and we cant fix stupid, unfortunetly stupid exists in all levels of business from aviation to goverment.

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Indeed.

Not to mention dealing with a bunch of annoying Indian people grabbing their hand luggage .

Everyone*

If I remember correctly, a firefighter died though 😔

Even more incredible as the remaining 3 exits were all in the rear of the aircraft.

That’s was actually similar to the feedback of the final report as well.

I strongly agree with you. I was going to write about the same in a comment but you ended up writing it yourself

As someone who works in quality assurance, I agree. That there wasn't sensory feedback about the TO/GA switch being inhibited was very significant, and if I'd encountered something like that in testing a system like this, I'd have marked it as a potentially critical failure, or at least a very significant failure. Glad to hear that this was addressed in the final report.

That would make sense, as even my bog standard, non-critical home computer bleeps or chirps when I click a button that doesn't then activate.

What an excellent idea. Usually the levers move when the button is pushed. Personally, on aircraft equipped with autothrottle, I'm already pushing the levers as I press the buttons. But I note this captain had flown almost his entire career with this company, who mandated 100% autothrottle use. He was therefore probably 100% expecting the levers to do their thing. Some kind of haptic or aural feedback would be very useful if people insist on flying aeroplanes lime this.

What I wonder is, what happens to flight crew after an incident like this? I'd hope they receive the extra training and go back to flying because it seems like they are very good at their job, I highlight the start of the video where their great CRM is highlight, just the training they received didn't account for this situation. I just hope an incident like this doesn't lose someone their job, I don't know this industry well so I don't know the answer.

​@@rustledjimmz8967no they will not loose there job I'm Cabin Crew in the USA lol

Yeah, this TOGA button behaviour is quite weird to have. An inconsistency like that can very easily lead to a situation like this where you expect an action to have a certain outcome (pressing the TOGA button->engines go to full thrust), because in all training zou ever did that's what happens.

@@rustledjimmz8967the captain was a UAE national so of course he didn’t get fired. The crew on Emirates 407 in 2009 wasn’t as lucky and got fired.

@@kukuc96 I agree. I don’t understand why you would the plane’s computers not to apply the pre-determined and programmed climb out speed on the auto throttle when the TOGA button is pressed all the time. It is hardly unprecedented for a plane to briefly touch the ground and still go around inconsistent behaviour by the automation just adds to the pilot workload at a time when they are already busy.

That’s why TV is dying and safe, educational streaming platforms are thriving. We vote with our subs, not biased Nielsen ratings.

Which is one of the readons I don't watch tv anymore. For decades.

"The TV shows use suspense to get you to stay through the next commercial break, ", with 20 minutes of commercials in the last 30 minutes of the show. I've learned to be not hooked in by the first 20 minutes add-free.

@@stephenhosking7384 And after every commercial break they repeat almost 2 minutes of show in case your tiny short attention span can't remember what happened, and padding a 30 minute show into 40 minutes plus 20 minutes of commercials. Even Pluto TV, which has the most commercials of any service, has less commercials than cable or airwave TV.

Who are those "already nervous fliers"? :D

It is!

I think you'd have to have been there to know how the evacuation went.

Elizabeth….that is so true. Training to influence muscle memory and mental state responses to a potential situation changes from seconds to unknown…hopefully we did the right response choice, and there was time for mechanical performance to take effect. This was rather routine until the shear started the sequence. I guess the thing to take away from this is, confirmation of performance of inputs made, despite the automation. As a helicopter guy, I just learned something about the landing system on this aircraft, that normally given enough altitude could have made it a good day…maybe an (audio) alert could be added…perception dictates what we do, and then there is what is expected from the machine, and sometimes it doesn’t match up. I feel for the crew here, but this accident will help others. 🧐🙏🏼

I wonder what would have happened if they were flying with other aircrafts instead ? and how "fair" it is to statistically considered it as a B777 aircraft accident..

Isnt that weird though? That commercial airplanes developed from trillions of dollars are just barely clearing a knifes edge margin of error?

They had one button to push, and two power levers. They only did the first one. Airplanes will not fly uphill at idle thrust. That's pretty basic. You want to go around? You need to add thrust. These planes have been successfully flying Go-Arounds for almost 40 years. Why did THIS crash happen? Because they neglected to add power.

I think that the captain was deficient in assuming that the autothrottle would always work. Watch enough Mentour Pilot videos and you realise that many of the systems have various points at which they are inhibited and many reasons why they might fail. The operation of any button, but especially a critical one such as the TOGA buttons on the throttles, needs to be verified by someone.

​@@tlangdon12 Mentour did a whole section of the video on how it was entirely plausible for pilots with their training to not know about the inhibition. And plane systems are so complex that you cannot safely assume that a system that reacts a certain way in one situation will also react that way in other situations.

​@lbowsk yeah you go ahead and make a video and we will see how wrong you are lmao

@@lbowsk: Yes they failed, it’s that simple.

how can we prevent this in the future?I dont get this. not everyone can be a genius pilot and figuring out everything .

Lol, the gear actually already touched two times and they didn’t notice it. They were stupid enough to not notice throttles were completely idle and didn’t pay any attention that the speed was dropping dangerous low during a steep climb. Automation or not paying attention to speed when you’re trying to climb from a low attitude should literally be basic instinct to a pilot or anyone trying to fly a plane, yet this videos argues that automation has made them forget to do so. It’s akin to saying that if you have a good-enough calculator then you don’t need to know why 1+1=2, it was down to the basic instincts and in this case the pilots didn’t have any. It’s actually a whole reflection of their thinking processes and the style of problem-solving they adapt, many flight documentaries have shown how younger pilots in this era often overly-rely on automation and instead have lost more basic skills such as just observing the aircraft and watching the instruments, so its clear dilemmas like this is really only unique to younger pilots. Don’t pretend to sound smart and say “99.9% of any pilots” would have done the same because they wouldn’t have, these pilots were “young “ and failed to notice something overly-simplistic because of over-reliance on automation. Your comment just sounds dumb lol Edit: And BTW, the pilots weren’t even young?? They were 34 and 37 lol

​​@@louish2037it's easy for you to say watching the video. But from inside the cockpit there were no visual or audible indication notifying pilots of sligh runway touch.

The plane has been flying for almost 40 years. Thousands of low level Go Arounds have been flown over that span. 99.99999 percent of them were successfully flown. No one crashed.

Actually, you have it backward. 99.999999 percent of B777 pilots have actually done Go-Arounds correctly and have not crashed since the plane was introduced in 1990. That's a LOT of Go-Arounds.

Absolutely. Well said!

Maybe the investigators should reserve the the term "pilot error" to when there is gross mismanagement by the pilot and have another phrase for cases like this. 🤔

@@dennis2376 It's a bit like "the landing gear failed" ... maintenance? design? handling during the incident? objects on the runway? ... or the diagnosis of "organ failure" in a patient. There's always more to the picture.

@@dennis2376 System error would be more suited in this case. Sadly that fire fighter lost his life saving those souls onboard.

This is 100% PILOT ERROR! They didn't aviate, they didn't watch their own speed. They should never fly again

Very unlikely it is a conscious decision. Fairly well known that in high pressure, high stress situations people will fall back into routine (hence in sport, it is important to always train how you would compete in high stress situations). Very hard to break habits and do something new in a high pressure situation. Sadly this extends to disembarking planes.

IMHO hand luggage compartments should be automatically locked when seat belt light is on

humans are stupid overgrown monkeys. its that simple. we think we are superior to other animals until stress kicks in and we go full primal

The solution to this problem is for airlines to charge a hefty fee for clogging the exits with their stupid bags.

@@josephvanname3377 Charge passengers *after* an accident? That's going to be interesting!

Wow, you are blessed!

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did you grab your bag?

@@misterhamez i can only grab my laptop. The rest is lost☹️

Hey, atleast you're alive mate. Material things can be replaced, but your life can't.

That's his job. He should not have crashed the pane needlessly. I hope they fired him.

@@JohnBedsondid you even watch the video?

@@JohnBedsonbro Pilots don’t just crash on purpose bruh

​@@JohnBedson Ah yes, the pilot felt the need to crash the plane and proceeded to do so. Are you even hearing yourself?

@@JohnBedson Seemed like he was a very good pilot, just was not trained for the situation.

It's kind of interesting how the spoilers were able to detect that the aircraft was no longer on the ground and were able to retract, but the TOGA button won't deliver TOGA power It's actually kind of concerning, really. If there is one button that should not be able to be inhibited, it should be the TOGA button.

I would be the first crew member sliding down like weeeee!

Yes, indeed.

More industries should be like that!

I'm a career pilot including captain on the B777 (the type in this crash). They didn't do everything right. The number one rule is don't crash the airplane. They failed at the most basic level. The captain was young and inexperienced. I think that played a part.

​@@opinionatedopiner ​ Your comment shows how little you know. Piloting 101 requires that every time a pilot selects a change in position of a switch or control, the pilot must confirm that the desired action took place. ALWAYS. They didn't do that. That is pilot error. But what do I know other than being one of the most experienced pilots on the planet with 45 years and 25,000 hours of flight time. What are your credentials? Maybe you can teach us all something.

An air-hostess on one of her first flights, is my daughter-in-law's Sister. All the hostesses and staff were extremely brave, and praised.

Yes.

@@NicolaW72 True. Piloting is challenging. Unfortunately, the airlines no longer want to hire the best pilots. They only want to fill their woke race and gender quotas. Danger ahead.

I hope not dumbass pilots that cant even realize something as simple as having no thrust shouldn't be anywhere near an airplane

Exactly my point 💕

Couldn't have told that better myself!

Now people walk/run/bike on the wrong side of the road, do not look before crossing, and have phone in face. Pretty sure the training may be absent for the underlings ! ;-)

Exactly! Even without any negligent actions, or known negligent actions, we will all make mistakes based on assumptions. Many years ago I was told by a woman I met at a trade show, who claimed to be a grandchild of the engineer who created the adages that we call "Murphys Laws," that the reason he created them was to help prevent engineering mistakes by assuming things would always go wrong if they can, rather than assume that all of your careful systems would work or function properly in all situations. This accident shows what can happen when we find out the "something" that went wrong.

I thought this comment was very well-worded, capturing an unfortunate, yet unavoidable, truth. Btw, it's simply "automation".

I am a total lay person on this topic but your comment is what my impression was as well. Seems like once the pilot hit the TOGA buttons it should have warned him of the auto thrust and perhaps even disengage it altogether so he has thrust control back? In any case, it seems you can easily say what the pilot could have done to prevent this after the fact but it seems unreasonable to have expected him to have thought of that given his training and how much was happening in the seconds he had to respond.

@@danelen What I'm struggling to understand is why Boeing would make the auto throttle disable the TO/GA buttons at low altitude, knowing full-well that a go around is extremely time sensitive and a high workload situation. If the pilot hits full throttle, it should go to full throttle, no questions asked. It feels like less a safety mechanism and more a sign of distrust in pilots. There is no good reason that I can think of to restrict the TO/GA buttons when a pilot can just as easily force the thrust levers to TO/GA at any stage of flight manually. It only serves to allow an error such as the one highlighted in this case, that being the thrust not being applied in a scenario wherein the pilot is used to using auto throttle exclusively. If the buttons cannot be trusted to do their expected job, they should simply not exist. TO/GA buttons should initiate TO/GA thrust, no exceptions.

Exactly if you hit the go button it shouls say GO GO gO or TOGa TOgA Toga and work. If anyones at fault its ignorant Boeing.

@@MGSLurmey Maybe this is to avoid accidentally trigger TOGA when set reverse thrust? Idk, I’m haven’t seen a real thing. I think it will be too much information if it report everything in touch down. But a rejected order, like TOGA, deserves a callout warning.

in general, if a MISSION CRITICAL button is inhibited/does nothing, the safest design would be to make it physically IMMOVABLE. or at the very least, issue a loud warning that the intended operation has no effect.

Yeah, the B777 is a sturdy machine!

Genetic transfer of camel genes. Nature has mysterious ways.

we're used to this kind of temperatures between June to September every year.

@@MentourPilot The Boeing 777 is my favorite. I worked for American Airlines from 2000-2001, 911 ended my career. I took a trip from JFK-CDG on a 777. It was glorious!!

Good stuff. Re: "For this reason, I never hit the TOGA switches without following the throttles with my hand and if they weren't moving fast enough I helped them out." I just retired as a B777 captain. My technique was the same as yours. Hard to imagine anyone not doing that, but here we are. Cheers

Glad to read that seasoned line pilots do what I, as a private pilot, see myself doing: when you need thrust for a go-around, don’t just push a button….ADD THRUST! Re training, I think it would be beneficial to have new pilots learn to fly the sim manually in every flight regime from takeoff to touchdown first, then add in automation one system at a time. These are, after all, just great big airplanes that obey the same laws of physics as little ones. The nose controls the airspeed, thrust controls rate of climb, and every pilot should be capable of safely flying them manually before being allowed to use automation.

I'm just a layperson, so forgive my ignorance, but I can't help but wonder what is the point of a TO/GA button, if not to immediately deliver full engine power?

I think the Potomac River crash has been covered on this channel. Sounds familiar and I seem to recall there even were some survivors...I'm a firm believer in old-school practical/pragmatic thinking. I appreciate wise use of good technology but the trend seems to be more and more contempt built into mindsets. Kinda scary to think a 30 something yo with that much flying experience would overlook something so critical due to habitual reliance on automation. Also, as some have mentioned, no clear warning upon pressing a button for a function that's been deactivated seems ridiculous. The amount of technology and thought that goes into these machines and nobody thought about THAT? Sounds to me like pragmatism is not only lacking in the cockpit but also in the design and engineering rooms. As technology becomes more impressive and complex, we also seem to be going backwards on so many levels.

@@papapetad 3 similarities as I see it between the 2 accidents. 1. They had not been trained properly for the procedure (training can never cover everything). 2. They were performing a procedure they had never done (takeoff in ice and very unlikely the B777 pilot had ever flown a very low go-around in real life). Neither 1 nor 2 should cause an accident. 3 is the big fail. They both commanded the airplane to do something but failed to monitor it to make sure it was doing what they wanted it to do. That is piloting 101. Getting step 3 wrong can/will cause a crash.

It’s pretty hot, yes

Correction, my underwear was the second casualty

@@euphan123 you were there?

@@0xf7c8 No s/he wasn't there. It's just that no matter the subject or video (wether something like this or any other subject on the face of the earth) someone always has to comment on their personal bowl movements. It never fails. This always remind us as to why the average age of viewers is so low. P.S. I was in error suggesting that this comment could have come from a woman. Women, no matter their character, never make comments like this. This is strictly a male phenomenon.

When I was in Dubai it only got hot at 46c. BTW I'm from an area where it snows.

For me it is astounding the number of things that can go wrong. Before it goes terribly wrong

Indeed.

Yeah. Way to go. Good thing you contained your emotions & maintained your composure. Kudos. We appreciate you guys more than you know. My cousin was a stewardess and retired from American airlines before 2000.

That’s a nice thing to say, kudos 💕

@@MentourPilot I do hope most sensible people concur with this. Often one mistake is likely in any industry or servjce, and how you then react is the thing that often produces flawless work after, and saving the situation well also. Hundreds of lives aren't often on the line, and these pilots are heroes for their actions leading to a good final result I think. My love goes out to the family of the fireman of course, tragic

Exactly, as it happens with any professional field, the longer one goes without incidents, the more likely it is that complacency and distractions can set in. Overconfidence is difficult to manage.

An "easy" mistake to make!!?? To fly you just need ... POWER AND PITCH. Then you monitor Brain Height Airspeed. .. You do not pick a donkey for a Derby....

@@redboyjan Are you for real ?? These pilots are "heros"??? An unbelievable lack of basic airmanship.

It's probably the only industry on the world with that measure of safety investigation and incident investigation... Just imagine what the world would be if any industry works that way.

I'm sorry to disagree or at least partially disagree, but there are simply far too many examples within the airline industry of economic greed and political issues being placed above safety and transparency. How many accidents, featured on this channel even, have been caused/partially caused by poor maintenance or poor training - if these lessons were being fully learned from why do these remain causes of accidents? A few more specific examples of safety and lesson learning not being the priority include the 2019 English Channel Piper PA-46 crash that killed a footballer and his pilot, and revealed a world of reckless and dishonest rule breaking and lack of accountability within the private charter industry; the infamous missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 demonstrates the level of political interference and the lack of any apparent willingness to spend money fixing the issues raised in the investigation (such as proper tracking of flights or updates to aging 'black box' technology) clearly shows that cost is often placed above safety - a point further demonstrated by the disgusting conduct of Boeing throughout (and their overly close relationship with the FAA) with the 737 Max accidents, where so many safety corners were cut for purely financial reasons; or perhaps the attitude of airlines that flew passenger flights over Ukraine during the conflict in the Crimea and eastern regions in 2014 that resulted in the shooting down of a KLM plane, where they simply pointed out that nobody told them not to, so presumably according to them it was fine to fly over warzones without informing passengers to keep fuel costs and flight times down.

This is not always true...you should follow the story of how the 737 Max was developed...there's political and institutional corruption...to be dealt with

in my industry (trucking) they do this half heartedly and just install poorly thought out or plain old dangerous "safety system". some of them care more about saving diesel then actually practical safety. almost like the systems where thought up and programmed by the cheapest people who have never driven a truck in their life

Its cheaper to fix a part than pay many millions in lawsuits for hundreds of dead people.

I was on a horrible flight as a child and it resulted in making me terrified of flying. It really does affect you for life. I tried taking flying lessons to get over my fear and after only a few lessons my instructor went to Mexico to perform stunts in an airshow and there was a mechanical failure on his plane and he crashed and died. That only made my phobia worse.

I was going to say, wouldn't the pilots have noticed that there was no spool up sound and no feeling of acceleration (being pushed into their seat) from the TOGA thrust? But your explanation does make sense. I'm not a pilot, but I have definitely experienced moments of brain freeze in high stress situations.

@@mdhazeldine Of course the pilots should have noticed. Every action should be monitored to confirm that the airplane does what it's told. That's pilot 101. The crew failed at the most basic level. (Imma B777 captain with 25,000 hours).

@@CaptainSteve777 The captain only had 7,500 hours and these accidents only happen on your worst day- otherwise we don't hear about it. If you have never missed anything in your 25,000 hours than that is fantastic, but it is beyond a reasonable expectation of a regular human. Admittedly it is a really big miss- but only for a few seconds. It seems like a poor company policy in my view considering how the system works- complete throttle automation except in this specific circumstance that is an emergency and we won't train you on it.

@@carbon1255 There's never been a flawless pilot or airplane, and never will be. The key is to have priorities in order. Some things matter more than others (like adding power on a low go-around). A pilot must never allow a large mistake, especially a large one that isn't caught quickly. Thankfully, I can claim a perfect record in that. As far as the company training, sure, modify it. I agree there is too much reliance on automation. Regardless, that in no way removes responsibility from the pilot to fly the airplane safely. Training will never be perfect either. This should have easily been prevented by a skillful crew.

@@mdhazeldine Just a few seconds after spool up should have been underway but wasn't the crash became inevitable? (Should have felt the lever not moving within a second of pushing "the button" though)?

Literally! I just watched one of his videos yesterday where a seat came unbolted... and I was glued to my seat listening.

Interesting bit of information, thanks for sharing. I am not surprised.

Because in Asian and Middle Eastern culture it's all about face so if you can blame the foreign colonizer for it then you blame them for itBecause in Asian and Middle Eastern culture it's all about face so if you can blame the foreign colonizer for it then you blame them for it

Thank you

Thank you! 💕

I'm a cabin crew member I watch from that prospective

I get your point, but I'd like to point out that people who "just" serve food and drink deserve to be treated well too. Low technical requirements of someone's job shouldn't be grounds to treat them like lesser humans.

The drinks and service are just a courtesy, their entire job and training are focused on safety in the air and during emergencies.

But what use is a TO/GA button if you have to follow the throttles with your hand anyway ?? Honestly it should either exist and do it’s job always or not exist at all, the middle ground is what caused this crash. Or at least there should be an audio warning when the button is pushed while AT is inhibited

@@theneonrobot1035 I'm not going to second guess the design since I'm not an aircraft engineer. But i know any change made to an existing aircraft has a ripple effect.

ironically a newer noob pilot would have probably spotted this.

Thank you! We are always aiming to improve! 💕

@@MentourPilot Also shout out to your editor. He's getting way better and better with his amazing animations! Very impressive, given what I imagine the budget is and how little time he has to make them.

You Need To Improve Your "Punctuation"... Not Every Word,,,, Needs To Be Capitalized;;;;;

Let them be, their positive was message was conveyed and that's all that really matters as far as this comments section goes

Thank you for your support!

I've felt 118 degrees once living in Arizona. I was working as a lifeguard at the time and within four hours of the work day two of our guards had passed out from heat exhaustion. We closed the pool shortly after that.

Lol. You’re just not used to it. It’s a dry heat.

If it's humid, yes. In the middle East it's a dry heat - just like stepping into an electric oven.

101 is the hottest I’ve experienced in Ohio and I thought that was awful. Hope to never see 120

It was 118 in Sacramento couple weeks ago. I left Sac got to Vallejo where it was 114 and it felt so much cooler. It's actually painful when it's that hot

At the beginning of the video Petter did not warn about casualties, so I somehow expected that.

I would not have stowed the hear that early on toga.

I think there were far worse crashes and people survived. This actually doesn't seem like a miracle at all

@@siemniak I'm sure the passengers and crew would strongly disagree with you

From Allah the almighty

As a programmer, I know that no matter how hard you might try, it is in practice impossible to plan the optimal outcome for all possible scenarios in a system with any level of complexity. At some point the human in the system will act in a way you didn't expect, or the computer will kill one of the processes, or a server developed by a different team will return a web response you didn't expect. It's not always a matter of assuming something will never happen, it's just as often or more often that something just never occurs to anyone as a possibility. And yes, there are plenty of software houses that rush stuff to market, there's plenty of code that assumes a computer's clock time won't be set to before the Unix epoch and just figure if it's an issue the code can be patched, but when it comes to systems with a high importance such as these, that require a lot of certification and so on, it's probably best to assume the mistakes weren't made intentionally to cut costs unless such a motivation and deliberate decision can be proven.

@@traveller23e While I agree that it's indeed impossible to plan for _every_ contingency, something like a simple generic feedback when the user makes a "forbidden" input is super-duper basic as far as programming is concerned. An audible warning along the lines of "TOGA inhibited" or even just a buzzing sound can't be too much to ask for. Especially considering how many less important warnings there are.

@@traveller23e "As a programmer, I know that no matter how hard you might try, it is in practice impossible to plan the optimal outcome for all possible scenarios..." - I never said "plan the OPTIMAL outcome"; I said "plan for all possible scenarios". You need to make sure your plan does SOMETHING for any given scenario, even if that "something" isn't optimal. In the case of programming, it means, for example, to make sure every possible input is considered when using an "if" statement. Too often, I've heard people say something along the lines of "that will never happen, so don't waste time programming a response for it". To address your examples: "At some point the human in the system will act in a way you didn't expect" - Don't you validate your input? Don't you show an error message, flag an error condition, throw an exception, etc if an input is invalid? "or the computer will kill one of the processes" - In a system where this is possible, wouldn't you have something in place (especially in a critical application in which failure can result in loss of life) that would verify all processes are running and show an error message, flag an error condition, throw an exception, etc if it detects a process is not running? "or a server developed by a different team will return a web response you didn't expect" - Don't you validate the responses you receive and show an error message, flag an error condition, throw an exception, etc, when an invalid response is received? If you answered "no" to the above questions, then you are the type of programmer about whom I was speaking. You don't need to have a crystal ball and predict every potential scenario, but you do need to ensure that you plan for every possible scenario, even if that plan is simply to have a generic "error" response for any unexpected scenario.

@@nomore6167 Thanks a lot for this. I’m a beginner Full Stack developer and I learned a lot from reading this. Do you have any advice for me? I’m currently finishing my second year of college but I have around 3 years of experiencing freelancing in Java and php, and client-side languages. I’m worried about the difficulty of looking for job In the US while having no official BA degree. Is there any advice that you could give? How was it like when you started out?

@@nomore6167 There's a difference between logging "Value should_continue was unexpectedly ja, returning -1" and "User typed ja instead of the expected y or yes, but we'll assume that means yes anyway". What I'm saying is that your implication that the people responsible had made the deliberate decision of not handling that edge case is probably inaccurate. The edge case was definitely handled somehow (i.e. goaround thrust was not applied and there weren't any obvious warnings to the pilots), however as the report found in this particular case the somehow wasn't perfect. Likewise, had the humans in the system (pilots) been trained for this exact scenario and acted according to that training, the issue would have been averted. As I previously pointed out, unless there's actually evidence that people noticed the potential shortcomings in the system (in both the human and computer portions) and decided it wasn't worth investing effort into, it's probably safer to assume that it just never occurred to anyone as a possibility.

I’m glad to hear that it has helped you. I hope you will have a pleasant flight. 💕

Have a great trip!

Plenty of time to watch more Mentour, before your flight. Best wishes for Monday!

@@maryeckel9682 Thank you! I should start packing 😄

@@beeble2003 Thank you. Maybe I’ll watch (only the happy) Mentour Pilot vids during the flight to keep calm. 😎

An excellent point, I think. Knowing things are going to get active would be an improvement.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, that could be a good idea

@@MentourPilot A super idea for the intro, and perhaps for the outro too, after we understand the cheese holes better.

@@MentourPilot Oh yeah you can read out the transcript with a friend while showing the POV of what both pilot monitoring and pilot flying would be looking at! That would give us non-pilots a "real"er sense into what pilots experience in these high workload situations

You are right. Quantitatively: 50 instead of 20 °C decreases the air density by 10 %, so that 5 % more speed would generate the same lift. I guess that this effect (as well as air pressure) is already factored into the suggested speed profile.

I had to look it up, too. For anyone wondering, this is what I found, I assume it's accurate - A term used by old boomer pilots, old Designated Pilot Examiners, and employees at the Federal Aviation Administration, that refuse to accept the fact that times have changed and technology has improved in between the time the wright brothers first flew and when the Airbus A320neo first flew. These older pilots, usually refuse to acknowledge the fact that advances in aviation have made flying safer and more efficient. A derogatory term used to describe younger pilots that use the GPS functions of the airplane's avionics, like the Garmin G1000.A term used by old boomer pilots, old Designated Pilot Examiners, and employees at the Federal Aviation Administration, that refuse to accept the fact that times have changed and technology has improved in between the time the wright brothers first flew and when the Airbus A320neo first flew. These older pilots, usually refuse to acknowledge the fact that advances in aviation have made flying safer and more efficient. A derogatory term used to describe younger pilots that use the GPS functions of the airplane's avionics, like the Garmin G1000.

@@Julia-nl3gq what your search returned is a slightly inaccurate. Even "old boomer pilots" happily use GPS. But if it fails, they can easily revert to other methods of navigation such as pilotage, dead reckoning, VORs etc. Kind of like how if you're driving and Google maps navigation fails, then dad (who always gets made fun of for being a boomer) pulls out an atlas and knows how to use it, lol.

@@Julia-nl3gq where did you find that? The term “children of the magenta” traces to 1997, when American Airlines captain Warren Vanderburgh said the industry has made pilots too dependent on monitoring the magenta lines on the machines that are really flying the plane

Does your airline have the Soft GA function? Like it?

@@tomstravels520 Ah, I retired a while back and don't know what that is. After my time!

@@SuperHeatherMorris oh ok. Basically it reduces the GA thrust to maintain 2000fpm climb. Useful if missed approach altitude is low and you’re very light so you don’t climb like a rocket and risk overshooting it. Push thrust levers to TOGA to activate GA mode then reduce to MAN/FLEX within 5 seconds for Soft GA

@@tomstravels520 Thanks. It sounds like an automation of my method which was: TOGA, Flap - Positive, Gear up - Pull VS at about 700 fpm - Throttles to climb detent - Read FMAs. Then sit back, relax and think what to do. It seemed to work.

Absolutely 💕

Indeed.

That’s exactly the point I want to make with these videos. Glad you appreciated it.

Very well put, sir. Also, I commend him for including, when germane, interpersonal relationship dynamics (CRM) and not shying away from discussing cultural psychological factors in those failure chains. Insightful and very thorough, indeed.