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Rupert Brooke - The Soldier - Analysis. Poetry Lecture by Dr. Andrew Barker 

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THE SOLDIER. Written just before the First World War, Rupert Brooke's "The Soldier" was used as a recruiting poem for that war and wars after. Yet the man who wrote it had very limited experience of warfare. How far is this still very famous poem a piece of out-dated jingoism? Or how far can it be seen as a love poem to England? This lecture presents the arguments for both interpretations.
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@s.s.9016
@s.s.9016 3 месяца назад
Literally , this is the best poem analysis.. The fact that there isn't many explanation and analysis of other poems makes me sad ...
@geetikasahu7396
@geetikasahu7396 Год назад
Sir , You are the spitting image of Rupert brooke.😇
@jaideepjoseph5406
@jaideepjoseph5406 9 лет назад
One can go on listening to your lecture for ever,such a passionate way of looking at poetry.Thanks a much.
@venuschan1485
@venuschan1485 7 лет назад
From my knowledge, Rupert Brooke had not experienced even a day of front-line combat. Rather, he died from a mosquito bite infection en route to one and was buried in an olive grove on the island of Skyros. It’s ironic that he should die this way when all he wanted was fighting a glorious battle for his country, as expressed in this poem, written a year before he set sail for war. Indeed, The Soldier is very idealistic about war. But I am not convinced that it has everything to do with Brooke’s ‘imperialist leanings’, or the contemporaries’ failure to recognize the potential scale of a general war and the possible heavy casualties involved in it. I am more inclined instead to think his idealism, or optimism if you like, has to do with his, as well as his contemporaries’, desire for war, which was glorified as heroic and manly in the early 1900s and offered escape from the so many problems besetting their country around that time - problems creating from modernity such as social disparity and moral and physical degeneracy as a result of urbanization and industrialization. Unable to find solutions at home, the British, especially the educated elites, looked to war as a panacea for these problems. Brooke, as the president of the Fabien Society that promoted a moral reconstruction of society according to socialist principles, was one of them for sure. In addition to that, Brooke and so many other elite Britons wanted a war from the bottom of their hearts without a fear for death because they were brought up on heroic classics such as Peter Pan, which promotes the idea that ‘to die would be an awfully big adventure’; and were fuelled by the 20th century Futurist movement, whose followers such as the painter Marinetti regarded mass destruction of modern war as ‘the world’s only hygiene’. I didn’t know the poem was originally called ‘The Recruit’. But the knowledge of this only confirms my reading of this poem - that it is not a recruiting, or propagandist poem. Britain did not have conscription before 1916. In other words, soldiers before that - Brooke included - were voluntary recruits. I believe the ‘recruit’, and later the ‘soldier’ in the title refers to none other than Brooke himself; and that he’s using this poem to reflect his feverish excitement of going to war - an excitement that was shared by many of his fellow Britons. If the poem is less about promoting ‘a civilising mission’ and more about an expedition for a way out of the problems stemming from modernity, then we should have little difficulty in decoding the pronounced religious elements in the concluding sestet. Would one with hopes of a grand empire on earth in mind envisioning a more graceful afterlife in heaven? I should think not. I believe what Brooke is trying to say in the poem is that when (if) he dies he would be in a better place - in heaven - where ‘all evil’, the decadence of modern society, would ‘shed away’; and the things being taken away - ‘Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day; And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness’ - all the great attributes of Britain before her decay, would be given back; and his heart would eventually find peace again.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 7 лет назад
Some truly excellent points. I'll try and address them later.
@AubanaterPlays
@AubanaterPlays 4 года назад
Hi, I'm an ancestor of Rupert Brooke and I can confirm that he did not see combat and did die due to a mosquito bite near Greece.
@Arjmm
@Arjmm 4 месяца назад
​@AubanaterPlays You mean descendants I guess.
@abdihassan7208
@abdihassan7208 3 месяца назад
nicely written
@salihibrahim
@salihibrahim 6 лет назад
I'm going to present a presentation about the analysis of this poem on Monday; this lecture is really wonderfully useful for me. THANK YOU
@garyguest6377
@garyguest6377 4 года назад
Yes, Dr Andrew you are the spit of Robert Brooke!
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 4 года назад
You know Virginia Woolf once called him "the most handsome man in England."
@shirleymayatan
@shirleymayatan 3 года назад
@@mycroftlectures I thought it was W.B. Yeats who said that? Please correct me if I am wrong. But I would not be surprised if more than one famous person said that. He was rather handsome :))
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 3 года назад
@@shirleymayatan I just googled it and you are right, it was Yeats not Woolf. I always thought it came from when she was writing about going swimming with him or something, but no, it was Yeats who said it. I stand corrected.
@shirleymayatan
@shirleymayatan 3 года назад
@@mycroftlectures I won't be too surprised if Woolf said the same thing when she swam with him. But coming from Yeats just made it more memorable to me. Thank you for taking the time to clarify.
@yungms2058
@yungms2058 7 лет назад
Throughout the poem, the poet repeatedly mentions “England” by name - six times in all. The patriotic message of the poem is quite obvious as the poet portrays death for one’s motherland as a noble end. Though the poem is written in the pre-war period, it is not about war. Rather, it is about England. The poet expresses that his love for England is equivalent to a son’s love for his mother. Added, I think the poet is highly optimistic and patriotic since he believes that the English value and the pride of being an English which offer them courage and pluck will last forever.
@splinterbyrd
@splinterbyrd 7 лет назад
my grandma is 85 with borderline alzheimers. She loves Rupert Brooke so I put this on for her, and she loves it
@hannamarie2940
@hannamarie2940 9 лет назад
I have to write a term paper comparing "The Soldier" and "Dulce et Decorum est" at the moment. Your lectures are so helpful, thanks a lot!
@splinterbyrd
@splinterbyrd 7 лет назад
my grandma is 85 with borderline alzheimer's. She loves Rupert Brooke so I put this lecture on for her and she loves it
@ryluna2
@ryluna2 9 лет назад
I'm a dtudent of Literature in Spain and, thank you so much, it's a great helpful to me!!
@liliamli
@liliamli 7 лет назад
I like the way that this poem can be interpreted in several perspectives. Between the lines, Rupert Brooke is convincing the young soldiers that their possible death will make tribute to his home country and will never be a waste: It is an honour to die for one's country. While at the same time, I am surprised that Brooke acknowledges the evilness of soldiering which involves killing, when one dies, "all evil shed away", yet he is supposed to convince others.
@hayaakallaah7783
@hayaakallaah7783 7 лет назад
Dr andrew. why is it that you look like Brooke? scary
@AubanaterPlays
@AubanaterPlays 4 года назад
Brooke is my ancestor but Andrew isn't related! Haha
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 4 года назад
@@AubanaterPlays No, I'm not related. But then as he was supposed to be "The most handsome man in England," I'm happy with any comparisons. AubanaterPlays, you're not part Tahitian, by any chance are you?
@lilise3965
@lilise3965 8 лет назад
Great presentation and very useful to non-English teachers and students. Thanks a lot!
@fulviagrazioli6033
@fulviagrazioli6033 4 года назад
Perfectly explained and interpreted by Dr. Barker. Useful to present the poem to students of Literature. Thanks a lot Dr, Barker!!!!
@dandong8351
@dandong8351 4 года назад
I wouldn’t say he’s proud to die, it’s more of a statement of comfort I believe, comforting his mother / family or even sweetheart possibly, England it’s self takes on the maternal/caring familiar role for me, how he refers to “her” and “suns of home” remind me of and invoke a sense of brotherhood and kinship, along with its literal meaning of the sun light, the poem invokes a spiritual connection, an unbreakable connection to a land rooted in what I would consider Christian values “gentleness” and no evil, and on one that no matter where on earth it will be preserved and concealed.
@Darsydara19
@Darsydara19 9 лет назад
Thank you very much! Your lecture was wonderful!
@jadechan2055
@jadechan2055 10 лет назад
Tremendously clear and a godsend for essays!
@alicebianchi3173
@alicebianchi3173 4 года назад
Great lecture! Thank you. I’ll share it with my students.
@belenfrey7106
@belenfrey7106 4 года назад
Really intelligent analysis! Thank you for that!
@_vij
@_vij Год назад
Thank you so much for this lecture. I have always seen this as a poem encouraging and supporting the idea of war. Your insight was highly appreciated and the fact that Brooke experienced a single day of combat and then died right before experiencing warfare makes this poem tenfold more insulting to every soldier actually experienced the grotesque consequences of war. Owen is one of my favourite poets. Your reading of Dulce et decorum est gave me chills and brought me to tears. That poem is what war actually is, ugly and brutal.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures Год назад
I couldn't agree more.
@josephtv340
@josephtv340 8 лет назад
nice one man i needed this for my school end of unit test thanks!!
@AubanaterPlays
@AubanaterPlays 4 года назад
Rupert Brooke is my ancestor!
@discoveralia
@discoveralia Год назад
A very nice video, a clear explanation and a great reading voice. Thank you!
@tusk9129
@tusk9129 10 лет назад
Excellent critique, insightful and very enjoyable lecture
@wailinglaw6702
@wailinglaw6702 7 лет назад
It seems like a poem about war, but actually it can be a love poem. The line “Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam.” This line evokes the image of a beautiful lady who is cherishing and caressing the man. On the other hand, symbolism plays an important role in this poem, for example, ''and laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness.” we all know that the land does not laugh and is not gentle obviously, and actually he is trying to tell us that, England is a awesome place.
@nivenithatheivanayagam8512
@nivenithatheivanayagam8512 6 лет назад
This lecture is really wonderful & Thanks a lot.....
@literaturereviewtofeelthee9636
@literaturereviewtofeelthee9636 3 года назад
Great explanation sir i hv been watching ur videos since 2018 it helped me alot thanks alot once again
@naninagarcia8958
@naninagarcia8958 9 лет назад
Superb!!! Thank you very much!!!!!
@khawlahbnat386
@khawlahbnat386 3 года назад
A wonderful lecturer indeed
@rebekahcrossman4690
@rebekahcrossman4690 8 месяцев назад
Greetings from Texas. I did enjoy it very much, your lecture. Thank you. I found this after I fished reading today, George Dangerfield’s THE STRANGE DEATH OF LIBERAL ENGLAND. The English gentile civility with which politicians made catastrophic policies, seems to me to to be something still idolized by the British and thought by the British to be unique only to them. Here, in Texas its the extreme opposite: primitive ruthlessness is what is glorified. It seems, however, the outcomes remain the same.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 8 месяцев назад
Many thanks. I'll check out the Dangerfield book you recommend. I'd like to believe that gentile civility is idolized by the English, but if this were ever really true, I cannot in all honesty claim that I see it in the politics of my lifetime. Of course, something is only big in comparison with something else which is smaller, and your comment about the politics of Texas must go uncontested. Perhaps you are right, the smiling viper of the English politician, with the exception of Johnson's buffoonery, seems to achieve the same end as the American berserker. Was it ever thus? I shall see what The Strange Death of Liberal England has to say on the subject.
@rebekahcrossman4690
@rebekahcrossman4690 8 месяцев назад
@@mycroftlectures I wanted to thank you for responding. What I meant to say I think, is this civility is an illusion and perhaps was always just that…but illusions are sometimes what give us hope for improvement as long as we also seek the truth which underlies it, the very thing I wanted to thank you for. In contrast, here, it’s difficult to even find the presence of this ideal to aspire to. If it weren’t for Brexit, I’d choose again England to make my home because of this. Real or not, it’s sad to truly be completely void of it. 🙂
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 8 месяцев назад
Truer words never spoken. @@rebekahcrossman4690
@kwesti9270
@kwesti9270 9 лет назад
you are so helpful and so intelligent
@dexymonster9019
@dexymonster9019 8 лет назад
ありがとう。楽しめました。
@carmenbruscella1096
@carmenbruscella1096 Год назад
Brilliant.
@Ginzaz
@Ginzaz 9 лет назад
thank you!! very helpful =]
@user-wp2jk8uq3o
@user-wp2jk8uq3o 9 месяцев назад
Thank you
@hoiyanchan6685
@hoiyanchan6685 7 лет назад
When I read this poem, the line “blest by suns of home” particularly sounds peculiar to me for I have been to England and it was always cloudy even in summer. The poet is probably a patriot to praise England in almost everything with such superiority. However, I do not quite see this as a recruiting poem. The line “That there’s some corner of a foreign field/ That is forever England” gives a very strong certainty of victory even the war has not yet started. I would think this is a eulogy of victory if I do not know it was written before the start of WWI. Considering it was composed in 1914, I would agree with the interpretation that this is a love poem to England.
@catsandkids6656
@catsandkids6656 5 лет назад
The fact that i am a distance mode student. So we only need to go and give the exams. Your lecture sir really satisfy my urge .
@puikiniu5633
@puikiniu5633 8 лет назад
Obviously, the poem is ambiguous to different readers with different background. But for me, I think it is a love poem because I do not share the same background of the English young people at that time. The first impression that this poet has given me through this poem is that he is a peaceful person. He talks about gentleness, peace and heaven. By comparing this poem to other war poems you have included in the video, the words used in this poem is more peaceful and calm to me. Moreover, you have given some background information of the poet that he has not experienced any warfares, the interpretation of looking at the poem at a love poem has become even more convincing to me. Still, the ambiguity of the poem is very interesting, and it can only be revealed once you read it out. Imagine that line "Suns of home" was being read in front of the crowd at the First World War period, young people would definitely be encouraged by this line and join the army, since they might have misheard that line. Before watching this video, I did not notice the use of the word 'dust' has implied biblical meanings in it and the technique used to answer to another poem at the first stanza. Thank you for giving us the background information of the poem, as well as reading it out with emotions that the poet really wanted to poem to be read, this helps me to understand the poem and provide another perspective for me to interpret the poem.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 8 лет назад
Firstly it would be rather presumptuous of me to claim to definitely be "reading it out with emotions that the poet really wanted to poem to be read," and as regards the first stanza could we not argue that there are many guilty of preaching peace while waging war, so is talk of gentleness, peace and heaven a guarantee that no death and destruction will follow? I think that, as you say, consideration of how this poem would have been received in 1914-1918 are very relevant to its analysis.
@kimjong-un156
@kimjong-un156 9 лет назад
Thank you Sir
@abhijeetkumar668
@abhijeetkumar668 5 лет назад
Sir please give a analysis on "Now the leaves are falling fast" a poem by W.H Auden. I really enjoyed ur lecture.Became huge fan of urs(Indian)
@bakhtawaralam4087
@bakhtawaralam4087 5 лет назад
Sir,you look ptetty much like Rupert Brooke.. Amazing
@howdoifixmyspacebar
@howdoifixmyspacebar 8 лет назад
pretty good but he missed some details and a few questionable interpretations "English ways" seems far more likely to just mean "English mannerisms" or "characteristics", consider that in context with his general wish to go (possibly die) somewhere far away and "roam" could refer to his "English liberties", to be contrasted with Prussian/Austrian paternal autocracy. (as perceived by Brooke) compare "English sun" to "sun never sets", as poetic device The choice of "dust" (note: Hardy also uses "dusty loam") as a way corpse/body is much earlier than Hardy. Considering the themes of military death, it's likely referencing the burial service from the Book of Common Prayer: "we therefore commit his body to the ground; earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust." (1662 ver.) This takes the "dust" metaphor from the frequent use of the word in the KJV (1611 version used here for historicity with the BoCP): "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a liuing soule." (Gen. 2:7), "And Abraham answered, and said, Behold now, I haue taken vpon me to speake vnto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes." (Gen. 18:27), etc. Even the idea of bodily "dust" fertilizing the earth can be found in the KJV: "And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the West, and to the East, and to the North, and to the South." (Gen. 28:14) However, using "mud" would also give the same Biblical allusion, though likely not as familiar to English Protestants. While the Masoretic text, Samaritan Torah, and the Septuagint all use terms that translate to "dust", the Vulgate uses "limo" ("mud", "slime"). English Vulgate translations maintain "limo": Wycliffe used "sliym" and "the Douay-Rheims uses "slime". Why would a "post-colonial reading" see "all evil shed away" as referring to his living heart when he just died in the previous stanza? How about his sin is shed away as he dies and ascends. (referred to as 'katharsis in Orthodox Christianity) "Pulse of the eternal mind" refers to that Brooke has ascended and united with God ('theosis' in Orthodoxy) and that a small part (a "pulse", i.e. Brooke's soul) of the Godhead thinks on England. He's giving back the thoughts, i.e. repaying the thoughts given by England to him, because he died. (which was certainly true, see Churchill's obituary for Brooke in The Times) Brooke did know enough Greek to perform The Eumenides at Cambridge and English Poets going back to Byron often had a fascination with Greek "mysticism". Theosis also influenced Protestant theology much more than Catholic: Lancelot Andrewes uses the phrase "partake His divine nature" and union with Christ ("unio cum Christo") was a key concept in Calvin's writing. So I don't think the idea that Brooke would be directly or indirectly familiar with the concepts of katharsis and theosis would be unfounded. Also while Brooke did not see practically any combat, it is worth remembering that 1/3 of all soldier deaths in WW1 were caused by disease, as was Brooke's. In any case, I think "Peace" is a far more telling example of the British "Augusterlebnis" than "The Soldier".
@hannahbae4967
@hannahbae4967 8 лет назад
For me, reading this poem as a love poem to England was more convincing. I won't deny that the poem itself or the content of the poem has some backgrounds of colonialism because we can easily see that this poem contains some sentences that show his awareness of superiority of 'Englishness'. However, I think that's not the poet wanted to reveal. I think that awareness came from his strong patriotism. Even though it may seem like glamorizing war for some people, I would say that he is expressing his love and pride as an English because of the privilege that he was given by England. We cannot say that it's just jingoism or glorification of warfare just because the poet himself was not a veteran, fighting and experiencing the awful warfare.It's a totally different poem with Dulce et Decorum est which shows an awfulness of war but since literature shows a lot of different aspects even with the same thing, I would say that it's definitely a love poem to beloved England from a privileged English young man who never experienced an awfulness or flaws of his country. Since he is showing his patriotism towards England strongly, he might want to appeal and request to other people in his country to feel the same thing as he did and to ask them to show their respect and love by joining the army and protecting England. I think it can also be a devoting poem for respectful soldiers at that time who would protect his country(even if the poem was written before the first war because protecting the country doesn't necessarily mean participating in warfare) and that's probably why it is still famous poem used for eulogy in the funeral for departed soldiers.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 8 лет назад
Well put and well argued too. If I may play devil's advocate with what you say. If a poem like this was written when a war was about to start and the government was recruiting would it not inevitably encourage participation in that war? When you say "protecting the country doesn't necessarily mean participating in warfare" that is certainly true. But if you join the armed forces it certainly does mean that. I realize now that when I first read this poem I thought it was just a propaganda piece, a versified lie to get people to enlist. Now I am not so sure. Now I think that these were the actual honest feeling of the young poet about to go off to what he believed would be glorious.
@AmanRaj-ml9ji
@AmanRaj-ml9ji 5 лет назад
Nice explanation
@wkyj724
@wkyj724 7 лет назад
Before the war period, many British people believed that the war could bring them better lives. I think it is normal that as a youngster, Brooke had a strong sentiment on his home country as this is where he was born and raised. The uniqueness of being an English is also promoted till now, it is a kind of imperialism that they always believe themselves as the most privileged ones, and this sentiment is being taken advantage of when it's to recruit soldiers. For example in Hong Kong, some younger generation will tend to be more violent and aggressive when talking about politics, I think this sense of protecting their own city is similar to how the teens reacted during Brooke's time. But besides the hot-blooded side of this poem, I can also see many romanticised parts. The repeated use of 'England' and 'English' are to remind the audience of their identity and responsibilities as citizens. And the way he used words with positive image like 'love', 'blest', 'suns', 'home', 'happy', are to evoke emotions of the readers.
@mattybeck1092
@mattybeck1092 7 лет назад
Thanks, this helped me with my GCSE revition
@fr4zzl3ss
@fr4zzl3ss 4 года назад
hope you got your spelling right
@micah3142
@micah3142 7 лет назад
Thanks for your teaching! In my opinion, this sonnet is quite special because most of the sonnets that I've heard before are usually about love or the one the poet loves. This one reminds me of love also but it's the love to the poet's country: the idea of patriotism. Combining the historical background of Robert Brooke and the era that he is in, it is not too difficult to understand why he has such a yearning to terminate all evils as United Kingdom is the most powerful country of the world in that period of time. Those biblical allusion that he uses in the sonnet can probably prove that he has faith in Catholic idea of Manifest Destiny which is a kind of catalyst to boost him to such high level of patriotism. When he writes this sonnet, he is still a young folk. It is no wonder that he would think that by killing all evils in the world we could make a better place. It is quite crestfallen to know that he died so young because of the infection. If he could be through the coming European War, I can assume that he would have a totally different perspective of the idea of Manifest Destiny that he tries to praise in the sonnet.
@GopalKumar-ik4kl
@GopalKumar-ik4kl 3 года назад
Nice
@jameskirk558
@jameskirk558 7 лет назад
RB - was ever the "sentimental exile" - he travelled extensively but always viewed England as the most special place. This old BBC documentary (linked below) gives some insights as to his true character - and clues to the drives/inspirations for some of his poems. In particular his literal love of English soil. Rupert Brooke - So Great a Lover - BBC Documentary 1982 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lNLagc7Khlg.html
@zainabzacky1838
@zainabzacky1838 6 лет назад
who else is here for because of GCSE Anthology
@riihash
@riihash 6 лет назад
zainab Zacky lol me I bc a practise exam tmo haha these are so helpful
@zainabzacky1838
@zainabzacky1838 6 лет назад
Sprispri lol this didn't come up in gcse tho it was mametz wood😅😫
@Yau0395
@Yau0395 7 лет назад
It is very romantic to say that his body will rot in some other place and that place will be a place of England. Death usually brings people in pain and sorrow but in this poem death seems to offer closure -- which works quite well as propaganda. Also, the original title "The Recruit" also has less romantic element compared to "The Soldier", I think the poem might be renamed to hide its propagandistic nature as "The Soldier" seems to care for the individual endeavor one offers to the country, whereas "The Recruit" objectifies noble Englishmen as weapon and resources . However, I do not think Rupert Brooke wrote this poem with full intention to ask Englishmen to join the army, but to express what he believed as noble and righteous. He represents the general English men and women at 1910s who believed going to war could make the world a better place and Englishness was the best quality in the world. He is one of the victims to believe what the government wants people to believe in, I use the word "victim" because he is fooled, lied to, cheated on by the superficial picture the English authority put in front on him, making him think that his death was a glorious attempt to beautify the world. Brooke died in 1915, which is the beginning of the first world war. He could not have guessed how long the war would last or what effect could it have. It is the young ideal versus reality.
@kwunnamtang
@kwunnamtang 8 лет назад
The way I see this poem is that it is a poem about both colonialism and a love story to Britain. I agree that it is not the post-colonial reading as suggested above. It is not a critquie of the colonialism that critized colonialism and imperialism that tried to bury the horrors and exploits under the theory that they were providing civilization to other "uncivilized' countries. In fact, it was a love letter to Britain. The soldiers had no fear and only England at his heart, which he would teach the ways of Britishness to other colonies. This is a very patriotic poem about Britain. No wonder it was used to recurit people to join the British army. Although the poem was not opposing colonialism, we would be if we placed the poem into historical context. From this poem, we can see the British education and ideas that influenced this poem. It was all about patriotism and the pride of being a British like the British air, waters, ways of living. In fact, it was not. There were a lot of death and many societies collapsed like the Qing China. When reading the Dulce et Decorum est of Wilfred Owen from 1918, we can really see the difference there. As Rupert Brooke was more of a highly patriotic poet, Wilfred Owen was not. In his poem, he was critizing the war by showing the horrors and deaths brought by the war. We see the difference between the two as one could be easily identified as not having been in the battlefield and the other had been there and seen it all. We can actually feel the dangers of the war and the saddness of the soldier which he saw his comrades fall. I want to ask something about the poem. In the poem - "blest by suns of home", can the "suns of home" be seen as the whole British Empire as the British generally identified their counrty as "the empire on which the sun never sets", and the poet was blested with such a great empire and her colonies, which made Britiain so great?And why this poem was used as an eulogy? It was beautiful and had a lot of Biblical images but it was mainly a patriotic poem of Britain and a recuritment advertisement.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 8 лет назад
Alex. In answer to your questions. 1 You ask if the "blessed by suns of home" line can be linked to the idea of the British Empire being one on which the sun never set. I have little doubt that Brooke and certainly the Soldier speaking the poem would have loved the idea of a British Empire spread throughout the globe so vast that there was always one part that was daylight. Though that phrase would have been likely to be in the author's mindset, is it being conjured by the poet in the use of "blessed by suns of home"? Perhaps it is. The phrase "The British Empire on which the sun never sets" would be so evocative to the colonialist mindset of that time, that just the inclusion of the word "sun" in the poem creates that link. For me, the link isn't concrete enough to make the connection in my mind, but I am happy to concur with those who see it there. 2 Why was/is the poem occasionally used as a eulogy? Why indeed. One of things the study of literature does is to let us know what it is like NOT to be us. I do not consider myself to be particularly patriotic, except when England play football, and do not even consider the blindly prejudicing of the governmental policies of the piece of land you were born on over the governmental policies of another piece of land, which is how I would define patriotism, to be a particularly good thing. But I acknowledge that many do. As I say in the lecture, I think the poem touches on the thoughts of many who are inclined to a certain type of patriotism. A military type. And a self-sacrificing type. I might also add that in times of great grieving people turn to works that they believe emotionally sum-up what they are feeling, and perhaps the Soldier does that. Change England for another country and the poem might be applicably used for those searching for a way to eulogize their dead in that country. (I say 'might.' That country would have to have some form of expansionism in its policies for the poem to work accurately. Would a Chinese translation . . . that is forever China work? ) To answer the question honestly we would have to ask one who has chosen the poem for their eulogy or those who had chosen it for them. 3 I would question this. When you say "As Rupert Brooke was more of a highly patriotic poet, Wilfred Owen was not," I was reading something today on, Who gets to say they are being patriotic. Was Owen not being patriotic by passing on the information about the horrors of trench warfare and hopefully making people aware of them and thus preventing (hopefully) the same horrors occurring?
@bonnie2838
@bonnie2838 7 лет назад
Through reading this highly patriotic poem, it is shocking to see how the poet ,someone privileged and well-educated, expresses his pre-war idealism in the poem. He didn't write about the brutal or bloody combats, but about Englishness, nature and religion, it is a sign where consciousness of the realities of the war is yet to develop. I think the poet has a passive character under strong influence of his homeland. He receives everything imposed on him “bore, shaped, made aware, washed and blest” by England-which I deduce as upper class values adopted by the aristocracy. For the biblical connotation, it maybe used to describe how powerful England was at the time by how England shape and made aware of something as insignificant as dust-just like God created the first human. Although the poem a solider died in foreign land, it is hard to imagine he died in a battle field around dead bodies. It is important for the poet to die as an English man, and this identity is made through his love of his country. His love is pure, everlasting and noble, as a reason he made his request of remembrance at the start of the poem. And this poem help reminding us of the importance of national identities and pride in wars nowadays.
@idiot_with_brains5407
@idiot_with_brains5407 7 лет назад
Can you help me understand the poem called "God made the country" by william cowper..thank you
@nicolaspeacock6
@nicolaspeacock6 4 года назад
who here has got this set as a work video
@user-yu1mt7fm4q
@user-yu1mt7fm4q 6 месяцев назад
But Sir, You and Rupert Brook in the picture and video look alike
@user-ji9gu2bo4h
@user-ji9gu2bo4h 8 лет назад
احتفظ بكتاب للشاعرروبرت بروك اسمه ...احزان المساء ..من دموع الشموع والاضواء ...والضلال ابكئيبة الخرساء
@cocoafruit8251
@cocoafruit8251 2 года назад
Notes~ 11:40 40:00 42:56
@gordonmcinnes8328
@gordonmcinnes8328 5 месяцев назад
As a Scot I challenge your use of 'British'. This is a very, very, very ENGLISH poem, using the word England 6 times. Yes Scots served but very few would relate to this. In fact I'd cite as an example of the myopia some people have in assuming English = British.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 5 месяцев назад
All true. Fair points all. You'd get no argument from me on any of that.
@lamvivian7202
@lamvivian7202 7 лет назад
Agreed with others, this poem can be interpreted as a love poem, a propaganda or a poem about the dedication of a soldier. I guess for a person from ex-colonies, this poem shows a very jingoism and very kamikaze-like. By referring himself as a fertilizer, he dehumanizing himself as a tool for England, and death itself was something pure, not gruesome, bloody like in reality. With all the biblical connotations, maybe they could also lead to the monarchy, as they also claimed to have the Divine Right given by God, so the suns, aside from the "sons", maybe it can also imply blest by the royalty. Also before knowing the dust's biblical connotation, I at first thought it means the soldier was at first nothing but dust as in something insignificant and dirty, but it was becoming one of the Royal Army and under God's command (essentially joining a Holy War as-if), making their "all evil shed away".
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 7 лет назад
Good points. Especially the reading on the kamikaze-like nature of the sentiment and the use of dust if we don't include the biblical allusion.
@vishalnanda7387
@vishalnanda7387 6 лет назад
Alas, since Brexit this poem's been rendered obsolete.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 6 лет назад
For the sake of argument, I'd say that from a post-colonial anti-war reading of this poem, if you changed the name of the country the poem is addressed to, (change England to say North Korea, America, take your pick), then there are dangerous stirrings and in many places far more than stirrings of what Brooke is talking about here in far too many countries today.The appeal to patriotism is a governmental constant. To be fair, I don't think that's quite the point you're making about Brexit though, is it.?
@maryzou6880
@maryzou6880 3 года назад
You look like Rupert Brook
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 3 года назад
You should check to Virginia Woolf's comment on him.
@user-vr5vg1yj3i
@user-vr5vg1yj3i 4 месяца назад
he looks like Rupert Brooke himself. lol that is shocking
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 3 года назад
Text and Experience 2020.
@ktecktan7369
@ktecktan7369 3 года назад
Tan Kai Teck Desmond (4198776) War in Robert Brooke’s The Soldier It is not hard to see how this poem becomes a renowned military recruitment tool for ages to come. To refer to the analysis from the video, going to war for your country is the right thing to do, and nothing is more honorable than to lay down your life for it. But of course, if one were to say this poem is about war itself, then there should be depictions of courageous acts in the midst of battles, or the epic charging through no-man’s land with your brothers-in-arm. This is a propaganda appealing to one’s reason to fight. The message suggests that anyone from England is sacred and certainly better than others, even their bodies make for “richer dust”. This can be further understood as how English ideologies are far superior than all others. It is thus important to protect this nation and her ideals by any means necessary, which in this case, the act of war. To continue this line of thought, war then is not a senseless consumption of life, but a fight for a nation’s ideologies, like how one should fight to protect his/her family. At the start of the sestet, the poet does admit that war is evil. But it is a necessary evil, because one is protecting the beautiful paradise of God that is England. He finally lists several things that one associates with the unique attributes of English culture, which he is protecting as well as return when the soldier dies. I believe that the purpose of this poem written in a beautiful Petrarchan format, or its employment of beautiful adjectives for England, is not to glorify the idea of going to war, but its purpose. War is a way to stop any threats, other countries or cultures, from corrupting or destroying this divine nation. When the English soldier dies, no matter where he dies, his body shall enrich the land while his soul, forever English and unlike other souls, will create a piece of “English heaven” on which he died. Even though there are hints of English’s God-given right to dominate other cultures or her right to claim them as her own, war does sound so much more righteous when viewed this way…but then again, is this not what the Crusaders believed as they plowed through Europe leaving a bloody trail? As if to add onto that irony, should one also believe this out of a man who has not even seen action?
@cherrychang1254
@cherrychang1254 3 года назад
Chang Cheuk Lam Cherry 4117708 War in Rupert Brooke’s The Soldiers” War in the poem was beautifully transcend into a lofty goal in every Englishmen’s lives. It expressed that being an English,filled with “English blood” is noble and certainly better than other people, in a way that they even want to conquer others. Their dead body would not be wasted and even would integrate into the land they invade and crown it. There is very little, nearly none of the brutal realities of war at all. In the war expected in the poem, he believed that soldiers would die by simply being shot with a bullet. Yet, it’s not the reality. Soldiers may encounter different ways of dying. For example, toxicated chemicals attack like mustard gas. They would be suffocated a lot before they actual death. However, this was before the true horrors of the First World War had been fully disclosed, a time when the war was still lingered with an ambiance of excitement, anticipation, and patriotism. Therefore, his sentimental feelings towards war would be ideal yet encouraging enough for conscription. The poem is still a powerful expression of patriotism and strong belief that British people held. This poem did not tell the truth as no one had really participated or witnessed in one "world war" before. The war in this poem also includes the "inner struggle" in Brooke that he did admit war is evil ,but protecting his people and motherland is also important.
@chloewong1421
@chloewong1421 3 года назад
Wong Hin Lam Chloe (4114914) “War in Rupert Brooke’s The Soldier” I think the war in Rupert Brooke’s mind is sacred. In the poem, he talks about his death in “some corner of a foreign field”, which refers to the battlefield in a time when the English soldiers try to conquer that piece of land and turn it into a colony of their country. If he dies, the poet does not think it is a loss in the battle, he sees his own death as a victory. Instead of lamenting the notion of his own demise, he claims that his corpse lying on the ground would turn that land a piece of England, his body can fertilise the foreign land with his superior blood and fresh, and make it a better place. The last four lines deliver a sense of patriotic notion as those lines are appreciations to his country and good qualities of British culture, “and laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness” shows what he has gained from his motherland. The poet thinks soldiers’ death can help to carry fragments of Britain and spread it to a foreign country. I think to Rupert Brooke, no matter how the war will end, he considers himself and his country as victory. Since the only and the worst case will be the country has lost a lot of her soldiers, however even though soldiers may die in wars, at least they are repaying their country through sacrificing their lives, and the bodies will help the country to do something good to the world, which ends up is a honourable thing anyways.
@markusliu8540
@markusliu8540 3 года назад
War in The Soldier is like the Crusades, a preach for spreading the noble, honorable Englishness to other lands. On Brooke’s mind, there is a pride of being born as an Englishman, which is seemingly the top breed in eugenics for him, as a corpse of Englishman, by its richer dust, rather enriches the earth of foreign fields, than being absorbed. What makes the English blood superior is the well-inherited, prosperous culture of Britain. Everything England has given to, nurtured him, the air, the sun, the water, his friends, has made him the well-educated, chivalrous gentleman he is. The grace of the country of England is too much that, not even willingly sacrificing one’s life is enough to repay, and every Englishman is obliged to enlist in the army to take part in the war, which is not even in defence of such an honor, but also a preach for the sacred Englishness to everywhere else. Regarding the form of the war, however, Brooke’s depiction in the sonnet certainly seems to be too romantic. Him, being inexperienced in warfare, most likely pictures it as a hard-fought, hand-to-hand, duel alike, combat on the battlefield. Sadly, in the reality of WWI later, the soldiers who were killed in action may not even be able to take a look at the ones who took their life. Instead of getting shot at, or being stabbed by a foreign soldier, which Brooke may anticipate, most of the soldiers in the trenches were run over by a tank, or suffocated by the poison gas as Owen mentions in Dulce et Decorum est, for those dying of intoxication, their dusts enriches the soil by rather toxins than their noble Britishness. Therefore, in conclusion, the war in The Soldier is a fantasy of a holy war.
@waisumlam1590
@waisumlam1590 3 года назад
Lam Wai Sum, Phronesis (4074243) “War in Rupert Brooke’s The Soldier” The war in this poem is represented by Brooke in a different way than the one people thought it would be. Most people would have an impression of bloody, violent, cruelty, inhumane toward the term ‘war’, but in fact, Brooke gives his reader a fantasy, a make-believe scene of how a war is like through his eyes. Though Brooke admitted indirectly that ‘death’ and ‘evil’ are in the nature of war, which most of the people might fear death, especially the violence involved within wars, he isn’t reluctant to sacrifice his life for his ‘motherland’-England, and even considers it to be a honourable thing to do. For he believes he is born or ‘made’ from ‘dust’, the death of him during the war not only gives him glory, but will as well enrich England, considering himself as a fertiliser to the land of England. Brooke uses several personifications on describing England that it ‘bore’ and ‘shaped’ him, and ‘blest’ him by the sun, ‘washed’ him by the ‘rivers’, those description is a part of an attempt to create a sense that England is like a pastoral place which embedded a deep nationhood between the country and the people. Under this condition created deliberately by Brooke, the absence of horror of the war that he is going to fight makes much more sense. This is the time when people are still unfamiliar with the realities of war and war is associate with patriotism instead of violence. No wonder it turns out to be a poem of eulogy for soldiers in funerals.
@jdouglasj2000
@jdouglasj2000 6 лет назад
Quite a few problems here with this interpretation, but let me address just one as an example. The line “all evil shed away” would have been a mystery to no one reading this poem in 1914, and yet that meaning completely escapes Andrew here. The line does not refer to England, nor is the line a commentary exclusively on the business of soldiering (although we shouldn’t exclude that). “All evil shed away” refers to the universal fallen nature of mankind, which one escapes in death upon reunion with Christ. This is basic Christian teaching, and the line would have been written and understood that way in America as well as England as well as in Pretoria. The poem inescapably reminds the Christian reader about the destination that awaits those who hear the call of Christ-like sacrificial love. I’m reminded of a speech one colonel gave to his troops departing for battle. He reminds the troops that at home they have problems such as racial strife and other things that separate them. All that, he says,will disappear on the battlefield, the implication being that they are about to put their lives down for one another. Then he says to these men who are about to die on foreign soil, “some say we’re leaving home,” and then he shakes his head no, “we’re going to What home was always meant to be.” Putting aside my last aside, Andrew has missed something fundamental to both the poet and to his readers at the time thisnpoem was written. There are other examples as well.
@iloveandrewbarker5777
@iloveandrewbarker5777 6 лет назад
Which dentist do you go to? I really adore your teeth
@trisharivers5588
@trisharivers5588 Год назад
I think you are so entirely wrong about Rupert Brooke and this poem’s legacy
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures Год назад
Karen and Fedora.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures Год назад
Karen's Reply. Chick Karen Tsz Yu Rather than solely judging Brooke's positive perception about his sacrifice to his beloved country as a frontline English soldier, I would like to point out the underlying reasons, driving him to see the world through red coloured glasses, whereas I am opposed to his perspective. Without advanced technology in that era, it is unfeasible for them to visualize the process of horrendous and atrocious events during the First World War, and yet he focuses on the whole picture as a positive consequence including happiness and peace to all people in English brought by the war. To illustrate, he strongly believes that his death for a country is deserved and memorable, imposing a profound impact on England, as found in line 1 "If I should die,think only this of me". In other words,"If I die, I want you to think about my death", inferring his idealistic vision as regards patriotism. He views his death as glory to his country, where he is too innocent thinking about his sacrifice aids expanding colonialism. He even perceives England becoming better because of his corpse. Feeling a sense of duty and emotional slavery, he has a great faith in his sacrifice. With the repetition of "English" and England", it indicates his strong sense of belonging and self-identity, as well as his unconditional affection for the country. What's more, it is a kind of self-deception, neglecting the fact that the war victories are the trade-off of depriving a myriad of soldiers of their lives. On the other hand, there is no doubt that it is his obligation to sacrifice his life for the sake of patriotism, though the way he thinks is quite simplistic and naive. Indeed,it is the most direct way to reveal his loyalty at that time, as suggested by "Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given". Utilizing the nature imagery in the poem, he has associated the sense of beauty of his country such as "flowers", "rivers" and "sun" in a part of his self-identity. To exemplify, he thinks that his sacrifice tends to be altruistic, as long as it is treated as an eternal spirit.
@yanyingtsui
@yanyingtsui Год назад
Tsui Yan Ying, Fedora (4167234) In the poem "The Soldier", it emphasized on how people should not mourn his death if he did die in the battlefield as he was fighting for his beloved country, thus sacrificing in war for the country was glorious. The poem mentioned that we should not only focus on ourselves, but for the greater good as well. With this point, I agree with this as I believe we cannot just fight a war for ourselves, we have to fight for our country as well. If the soldiers from the UK only fight the war for themselves, such as hiding, no one will actually join the war and defend the country from the aggressors in WW1. The background of this poem is WW1 and the Triple Entente wanted to expand their power and with the use of new weapons such as the machine guns. If the British people only cared about their own safety and refused to join the war, we can imagine how much destruction will happen if the Germans invade Britain with their machine guns and other deadly weapons. The family members, homes, the environment, the buildings, the history and the culture of the British people will be in great jeopardy. Consequently, it is important to not only care for our safety, but fight for the greater good as well. That is why I agree with Rupert Brooke's take on life that in war we should not only care for our own safety, but also care about the greater good (e.g. interest of our country) as well. On the other hand, I disagree on the poet's take on life in the poem that fighting and sacrificing ourselves in war is not as idealistic and "a piece of cake" as the poet described. In the poem, the poet depicted if he died in the war, he emphasized on how he would go to the "English heaven", where there would be no more evil. While this poem was meant to be a love letter to Britain and perhaps encourage the soldiers not to be disheartened in war, the poem excludes all the horror that a soldier may face in the war. Take the poem "Dulce et Decorum Est" as an example, the poem mentioned the gruesome scenes, utter horrendous environment and traumatic horrors that a soldier had to face in WW1. For example, the solder had to face extreme environments where bombs and bullets were firing at their back, marching along the sludge with bloodied feet and with extreme exhaustion, watching his friend died in the battlefield in a gruesome, horrendous way. In this poem "The Soldier", all those brutal scenes are not mentioned as the poet died before he could go to the battlefield. The situation mentioned in this poem "The Soldier" is not that simple with the soldier sacrificing himself himself in war and his body turning into dust and become one with the soil again, the soldier had to face a brutal death, such as dying slowly by writhing in extreme pain as mentioned in the another poem "Dulce Et Decorum Est". That is why the poet's take on life in the poem "The Soldier" that dying in war for the country is glorious is definitely unrealistic and too idealistic as this poem did not mention the horrendous images in war and only focus on how others should not mourn him if he did die in the battlefield.
@roerdomp16e
@roerdomp16e 5 лет назад
yes, you do look like his reincarnation!
@simmerlola
@simmerlola 5 лет назад
For fucks sake mate I’ve got to watch this for my English homework and take notes why the fuck does it have to be so long :/
@GopalKumar-ik4kl
@GopalKumar-ik4kl 3 года назад
Hindi ma padaw na
@henriquebocardo-crespo5735
@henriquebocardo-crespo5735 6 лет назад
Dr. Barker seems to fail to make the case for British Exceptionalism that he regrettably confused with American Manifest Destiny.
@mycroftlectures
@mycroftlectures 3 года назад
Out of interest, what to you see conceptually as the difference, apart from one was from Britain and one was from America? That's a serious question by the way, I'm not attempting be funny or ironic.
@henriquebocardo-crespo5735
@henriquebocardo-crespo5735 3 года назад
@@mycroftlectures Sorry, I see no point in your comment
@GopalKumar-ik4kl
@GopalKumar-ik4kl 3 года назад
Bakchhanor
@nadzchan7692
@nadzchan7692 7 лет назад
stop fighting
@reondallinger3981
@reondallinger3981 5 лет назад
This is so boring to watch.
@jameskirk558
@jameskirk558 7 лет назад
Rubbish !!! -well mostly anyway. your alternative interpretations/assumptions are absurd. I'm sure RB wrote what he meant - and it was "suns" not "sons" nor was it meant to be implied thus. And that rot about rotting, superiority, religion etc is also rubbish. You're coming from a 21st Century post-imperialism perspective, ignoring the context of those times and of the personality and experiences of RB himself. You surely could not have the biography of RB by Keynes.
@abhijeetkumar668
@abhijeetkumar668 5 лет назад
Thanks a lot sir
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