In this video you will see a detailed comparison of the two trainer / Light fighters. Which do you think is more advanced? Russian air force Yakovlev Yak-130 and Leonardo M-346
Like a planer they are identicaly, and after that start differences. M-346 is 1000 pound lighter than Y-130, because of using composite materials. Engines in M-346 are 3kN more powerful that Y-130, Max Speed of M-346 is 1255km/h, while Y-130 is 1050 km/h. There are big difference in reliability, specific fuel consumptions and endurance of the engines, too.
it makes sense that Italy and Russia went different ways, the avionics in western planes are different than in russian ones. So there was no other choice but to separate in order to serve both markets. btw. the Ita.M346 main purpose was advanced test plane, Russia use id as fighter! you can't compare it!
In a sense they are twins, like two children of an Italian-Russian couple, one has taken more the Russian side and one more the Italian side. Greetings from Italy.
@@Bialy_1 The moment when they are not similar in any way except outwardly, in the 90s Yakovlev's department needed money and they started looking for them on the side of technical documentation was already there and the initial prototypes too... here, on the contrary, aermacci has 10% of the strength in the Yak-130 project, as well as Yakovlev has 10% of the Italian version...
Due to disagreements with the Italian partner, the joint development at the final stage stopped. Each of the companies received documentation for the basic version of the future aircraft (glider), after which they released their own versions of the aircraft: Aermacchi built the M-346 TCB, and OKB im. Yakovlev - combat training aircraft Yak-130. L'alenia Aermacchi retained the rights to distribute and market the aircraft worldwide, with the exception of the CIS (including Russia). Externally, the Italian M-346 aircraft is almost identical to the Yak-130, but the Italians installed their own equipment and engines.
it makes sense that Italy and Russia went different ways, the avionics in western planes are different than in russian ones. So there was no other choice but to separate in order to serve both markets. btw. the Ita.M346 main purpose was advanced test plane, Russia use id as fighter! you can't compare it!
This is not a joint project, but a purely Russian project with Italian money. Italians have no brains to invent airplanes and especially engines, because there is no and never was an aircraft design school. The engines on the Italian airplane are Russian, they just named them with their badges.
To all you saying shit, they are the result of a joint venture between Aermachi and Yakolev, Aermachi had 50% of the development and two russian companies shared the other 50% of development. Because of different requirements and the russian part not being able to pay its part (the early 2000s weren´t great years to russian economy), the joint venture was dissolved and each one kept development, no one copied from no one, they developed together at first and then kept separate ways
@@anatoliedubcovetchi8468 simple, it is not the only aircraft: MB-326, MB-339 and M-345 just to list the modern trainer aircraft they projected and built. They have been producing aircraft since 1913, you just demonstrated how ignorant you are to everybody with this comment
I am Italian and I love everything that is Italian but I really like the Yak 130 for the additional upper vents. When the plane takes off the vents under the wings are closed and the upper ones open. With this solution we can also take off from improvised runways.
one could say a successful collaboration between Russia and Italy. in fact, it rewards the Italian aircraft because there are commercial agreements. it also combines the advantage of being able to sell a plane to more countries, given that it is a training aircraft and that Italy has the opportunity to sell to the West as well as to the East. A good success.
If Italian didn't provide financing in 90 neither the Yakovlev will be available, nor Yak-130. That's way this was good success for russians. Plus they got new technology in computer design and engineering, which in this moment missing in Russia.
@@jei1703 in truth there is more. We needed gas. Then the European agreements and you give me the gas at an agreed price and we build the pipelines. Then a collaboration began for the lynx, Italy has limited number of production while Russia could make more. Normally a military or civilian vehicle is amortized in costs on the number of production. Then St Microelectronics electronics (France/Italy), supplied technology to Russia. But in any case the ones that supplied the most were the French collaboration with civil aeronautical engines and many other things. Then the Germans if not before the French.
This is not a joint project, but a purely Russian project with Italian money. Italians have no brains to invent airplanes and especially engines, because there is no and never was an aircraft design school. The engines on the Italian airplane are Russian, they just named them with their badges.
Funy when you consider that there was only 25% of Yakovlev in yak-130 but smehow this plane is yakovlev because? Do you writing comment under Yak-130 videos that it is Aermacchi plane because they were the biggest contributor(50%) to yak-130 project...
È stato progettato in collaborazione tra Italia e Russia, è lo stesso aereo a livello meccanico. È la tecnologia elettronica all' interno che cambia. Cmq per me uno dei migliori aerei in circolazione, a livello di costo, prestazioni.
Motore , radar, meccanica , elettronica , cambia tutto o quasi. Di uguale c'è quasi solo la forma alla fine ,anche i materiali usati sono in buona parte differenti . Cmq si la base è un progetto comune
I would buy the Yak 130 because of the inlet above the wings. The inlets allow for better take off needs in battlefield conditions. The engines can always be replaced with more powerful engines of similar dimensions.
sorry you are wrong m-346 this is a new aircraft it is made from newer composites more advanced avionics there are modifications with a radar refueling in the air this is a completely different aircraft just there is a similarity
The italian aermacchi and russian yakovlev is collab and allied of italy Leonardo aermacchi and yakovlev As progected and modified the T346 ok ok the Russia is not copied
The moment when the sketches and prototypes were ready already in the 90s Yakovlev had no money for further production, so they began to cooperate with Italy... Just for the sake of money, the first flight of the Yak-130 in 1993, the M-346 in 2008
@@wertushka2715 in the 1993 there was the Yak/Aermacchi Yak/Aem 130 that was not a normal Yak 130. Indeed the first Yak 130 flow for the first time in the 2009, five years after the M346
A certified copy that flew some 5 years earlier and it actually was a joint programme untill the two companies split, still the Yak is infamous for crushing and the M 346 isn't. Why lie man?
@@carta8399 Do not lie or, at least do not speak so we could not see how stupid you are. www.yak.ru/eng/firm/art_switch.php?art=4 Yak design bureau finished preliminary design in 1992 and with that design entered into cooperation with Italians. The Yak-130 flew in 1996, the M-346 in 2004. So, tell me... how Italian M-346 could flew some 5 years earlier? Next, the M-346 also has accidents with a lost plane. Why lie man?
@@jerromedrakejr9332 First thing firts, calm down kid, speak like this to your friends. Second thing, I was referring to this: Yak 130: According to its chief designer Konstantin Popovich, during a testing phase that ended in December 2009, the plane was tested with "all airborne weapons with a weight of up to 500 kg that are in service in the Russian Air Force" Source: Pyadushkin, Maxim (16 February 2010). "Reprogrammed Trainer - Yak-130 jet trainer is cleared for service". Russia & CIS Observer. Archived from the original on 28 July 2011. Retrieved 11 September 2010. Quoted on the wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130#cite_note-ato_yak130-16 M-346: The first M-346 prototype rolled out on 7 June 2003, and conducted its maiden flight on 15 July 2004. In 2004, a contract for the development of a full-mission simulator for the M-346 was awarded to CAE. Source: CAE wins contract for the development and supply of Alenia Aermacchi's M-346 simulator (press release), 2004, archived from the original on 2006-03-24. Quoted on the wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi_M-346_Master#cite_note-9 End of the joint venture: In 2000, differences in priorities between the two firms had brought about an end to the partnership, with each developing the aircraft independently. The Italian version was named M-346; Yakovlev received US$77 million for technical documents of the aircraft. Yakovlev would be able to sell the aircraft to countries such those in the Commonwealth of Independent States, India, Slovakia and Algeria. Aermacchi would be able to sell to NATO countries, among others. Source: "Russian military trainer strategy falls into place; the selection of the Yak-130 marks an important step towards replacing the country's aging fleet of L-39Cs. Things are moving in the simulator business, too". Interavia Business & Technology. ISSN 1423-3215. Archived from the original on 24 September 2015. Retrieved 22 August 2015 - via HighBeam Research. Quoted on the same Wikipedia page of the Yak 130 Evidently I msiunderstood because the 2009 date referred to the light attack version of the Yak, not the trainer, product of the joint venture between Yak and AEM. It was my understanding that the date of the first flight you are referring to wasn't the Yak 130 but the first prototype of the Yak/AEM 130, named Yak 130/D, product of the joint venture between Yak and Aermacchi I'm referring to this: "After having entered discussions in 1992, in 1993 it agreed with the Italian company Aermacchi to jointly develop the plane, which now became Yak/AEM-130; Aermacchi would be responsible for the project's financial and technical support. The first prototype, dubbed Yak-130D, was built by Sokol at Nizhny Novgorod, Russia, and was publicly unveiled in June 1995. The aircraft made its first flight on 25 April 1996 from Zhukovsky Airport at the hands of Yakovlev chief test pilot Andrey Sinitsyn.
@@jerromedrakejr9332 So, at the end of the day, petty insults aside, the M 346 isn't a copy of the Yak 130 since both planes are the product of an indipendent development of the prototype that was born from the joint venture between the two manufacturers.
@@carta8399 It was an Italian-Russian collaboration project for an adestramento plane then leonardo comes out of the collaboration Because the Russian version did not respect the safety requirements born of the aircraft and each continuous with its own version
The only country in the world is Russia, which can independently design and build airplanes of any class, both civil and military. In Boeing, half of the equipment and components come from different countries of the world. Airbus is made by four European countries, and only Russia designs and builds airplanes, as well as spaceships independently. Russia is a great country with great designers and engineers!
we built and designed the first model with the Russians (it was a collaboration), then the project dissolved as we aimed to use composite materials and more powerful engines, while they wanted to build a cheaper version to sell it en masse to other countries ...the Yak-130 is literally the cheapest and least powerful version of the M-346...
I'd go Yak 130 every time. Everything Russian is dual purpose. Crap roads as improvised airstrips? Close air support? Can hook and jab with fighters? Very sad politics got in the way of the Macchi-Yakovlev.
Basically Italians having used the Russian Yakovlev to deliver the best of their aircraft design when the Russians were weak and poor, broke up with them at the final stage to sell and market it globally with better engines and components from the West. Clever move.
advance trainer eto which is meron na tayo nyan yung fa-50. mas lamang pa nga ang fa50 kasi supersonic while ang mga eto ay subsonic planes lamang. although mas cheaper pa ang yak 130 @ 18$m at t-346 @ 20$m compared sa 30M$ ng variant ng fa50.
Yak 130 Maximum speed: 1,060 km/h (660 mph ) Cruise speed: 887 km/h (551 mph ) M 346 Maximum speed: 1,255 km/h ( 780 mph ) Cruiser speed 1,059 km/h ( 658 mph )
In 1992, Aermacchi signed a cooperation agreement with Yakovlev to provide financial and technical support for the new trainer that the firm had been developing since 1991 for the Russian Air Force in competition with the Mikoyan MiG-AT. Aermacchi also gained the right to modify and market the aircraft for the Western market.
@@doc7440 And Aermacchi had also its own project, already in design phase in the '80 like MB-340, MB-341 and others. To remember the MB-339A, take alook at general design, for example front and rear part, convert to two engines ...
@@neutronalchemist3241 The shape of the plane is not the same... just because it looks the same from distance of 100m do not make it "the same aerodynamics"...
Both are very similar. The italian plane looks like a copy after the russian designee . I saw the italian was made in 2004 that the russian one in 1996. maybe also the russian took some designee from other sides.
powerful? at was? this are other then the design two different planes. the Ita.M346 main purpose was advanced test plane, Russia use id as fighter! but until now we don't see the Yak in many mission, maybe it is only full with free fall bombs and that's all. Some people see some bombs and think, oh this must be better🤪it's like saying, this girl is better, she has bigger tits!
@@Leonardo_33 cerca su Google ignoranti che nn siete altro cercate su Google Leonardo T346 e poi leggete la descrizione stupidi🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 l'hanno rivoluzionato il caccia stupidi eh nn sapete niente di militare, siete degli ignoranti hahahahaahah, dite no perché nn volete collaborare con madre russia
@Beverly Mandahl : and i repeat . No , The Leonardo M-346 is NOT done with Russian collaboration. Yes , derives from an old Arirmacchi - Yakovlev joint project , same project that led to the Yak-130 in Russia, but only the frame is similar . Engine , Radar, avionics , cockpit , even the materials , all is different. BTW would you define the Yak 130 as done with italian collaboration ?
No Italy didn't leave, it stole the design and ran and sold it as its own to the west and western friendly nations like isreal .....turkey will do the same once it gets the right to locally produce the S300
The joint venture was broken (not "left") because Aermacchi (that's not "Italy") wanted a pure advanced trainer (training time on last generation fighters costs A LOT. To use a trainer whose performances are very close to the real thing saves a lot of money, so countries that use last generation fighters are very interested in this kind of aircrafts ). Yakovlev wanted an half-trainer half poor-man's-fighter to sell to nations that couldn't afford advanced fighters.
I hardly learnt anything new about the Yak-130 or the Leonardo M-346. Both are virtually identical aircraft made in a joint venture between Russia and Italy. 👎
Comparing both of them ? Why ? This two aircraft basically the same, the only difference is the avionics, engine and weapon load, it was joint project between Leonardo and Yakovlev.
They are not the same :-) M-346 is 1000 pound lighter than Y-130, because of using composite materials. Engines in M-346 are 3kN more powerful than used by Y-130, Max Speed of M-346 is 1255km/h, while Y-130 is 1050 km/h.
Як-130 а не 30. Лучший. Потому что сделан так что можно менять настройки систем управления. И тренировать лётчиков разных самолётов. +сам самолёт классный в управлении и мощный по вооружению.
@@MrUomoZucca the original design is Russian. It was developed in 1991 as the Yakovlev Yak-UTS. This original design was developed and completed to the Yak-130 in September 1993. Yakovlev needed a partner to develop and build the aircraft, and Aermacchi joined Yakovlev as a partner that same year and the aircraft became the Yak/AEM-130, with the Italians providing financial and technical support. The original design is Russian.
Look at the M340 project of 1986, it' s almost identical but with only one, bigger, engine. The plane was developed in cooperation and the result was the Aer-Yak 13 of 1996, the common prototype, then the two builders adapted their own designs to different technology/market/military requirements, Yak is more simple and cheap, more focused to dual role in third world countries, M 346 has higher training performances. And Yak 130 don't reach 960 mph .
The Yakovlev Yak-130 (NATO reporting name: Mitten)[8] is a subsonic two-seat advanced jet trainerand light fighter originally developed by Yakovlev and Aermacchi. Sourc: wikipedia
Yak-130 got only 25% of Yakovlev in it when they were designing it together with Italians and if you like somuch earlier models then check older and fully non-Russian Aermacchi MB-339A...
Italian Aermacchi got the biggest 50% in Yak-130 design. Yakovlev share was only 25%... And fully Italian plane is ofc superior to cheap half baked Yak-130.
@@Hidden_Trump Actually, the J-15 is the only one of the three to be equipped with afterburner, hence the longer nozzle and different rear fuselage. The M-346 does have a 1470 kph speed as a never-exceed one (above which the airframe will suffer damage, which I actually believe is roughtly the same between the two aircraft as they have nearly identical aerodynamics), but it can actually get to that (or even just supersonic) only with the help of a dive. The maximum speed it can reach by engine thrust alone is around 1250 (780 mph), higher than the one claimed in the video (maybe a typographical error, as it claims 680). According to what I dug up, the M-346 has slightly more powerful engines (6300 lbs thrust against 5510) than the Yak-140, thus it is simply natural that it is the faster of the two non-afterburning ones.
@@TheSergioTurbo l do not think there is a great demand for Yak-130 in Russia now. During Soviet times there were many L-29 and L-39 jets. And they were mostly manned by army conscripts of 19 y.o. All of them had attended air clubs and flied by gliders during their schooltime. Education and training was free of charge, and fuel was free too. At 18 y.o. they joined the army, got initial training for 1 year. And during their last year in army they flied by jets. It was a joy jet for teens in the old days
Aermacchi MB-339A... итальянский учебно-боевой самолёт и лёгкий штурмовик, разработанный для замены MB-326. Совершил первый полёт 12 августа 1976 года. Серийно производится с 1978 года, состоит на вооружении ВВС Италии, поставлялся в 8 стран мира. Самолёты этой серии стоят на вооружении пилотажной группы итальянских ВВС Frecce Tricolori.
The Yak-130 seam to be more polyvalent than the M-346 in the light fighter/strike jet role, with the integration of multiple type of weapons (Air to air / Air to ground) and 8 hardpoint instead of 4 for the M-346. On the other hand the finishes of the skin looks better, more polish, on the M-346, I wonder how it impacts the RCS.
It was a joint venture, at the end it's the same plane but it's modified in base of the necessities of the company. Italy and Russia made a lot of joint venture
M-346 FA ( Fighter Attack ) have 7 hardpoint and better integration of multiple type of weapons than " basic " M-346 FT, because is a jet trainer and dont need a lot of weapon . BTW M-346 FA is more modern than Yak-130 ( yes original project is a join venture Yak-Airmacchi ) and have better avionics .
So the Yak-130 is superior in every facet, specially in the hard points (8) compared to 4, since the Yak' s wingtips can also be used for AA missiles or ECMs.
Simply Aermacchi wanted a pure advanced trainer (training time on last generation fighters costs A LOT. To use a trainer whose performances are very close to the real thing saves a lot of money, so countries that use last generation fighters are very interested in this kind of aircrafts ). Yakovlev wanted an half-trainer half poor-man's-fighter to sell to nations that couldn't afford advanced fighters.
@@neutronalchemist3241 Yakovlev got whole 25% in thatproject and Aermacchi share was 50%... but yea, lets forget about it and not call yak-130->Aermacchi...
You are wrong. M346 can mount a total of 9 pilons. And it has better tecnology, better engine, better weapons (the russian one is not even able to mount AGM) ecc
