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Thanks for doing a 'real' watch repair. It's great watching the professionals but you are obviously more a keen hobbiest and I learned more watching this video than many others.
I taught myself watchmaking on a couple of Soviet SLAVAS - a 2427 auto, and a 2428 manual. Very robust and tough design with twin springs, but elegant or pretty they are not. Both are NOS, and seem as though they were put together by people who wished they were anywhere else. Yep it's me - the guy who keeps posting SLAVAS in the fb group.
Great job as always with the video! While it's been said before in the comments, the movement is the 15-jewel 2602 that was shared between Podeba (Victory) and ZIM (Maslennikov Plant, or Zavod Imeni Maslennikova). However, the 2602 also holds the distinction of being the longest-produced Soviet watch caliber. It was made continuously from 1950 to the mid 2000s in the millions. Pobeda abandoned the 2602 sometime in the 1990s whereas ZIM produced it until their dissolution on June 30th, 2006. I have on a mid-1970s ZIM 2602 dress watch as I type this, and I find that the ZIMs are better finished in general than their Pobeda stablemates. It has AU10 gold plating and the movement even has decorative milling, which is very rare for a Soviet watch. It would be interesting for you to compare a ZIM with the Pobeda, as they are no more expensive or scarce on the old Fleabay.
Great job on this small watch. I bought two 1954 Pobeda's for 30€ about a year ago, one in perfect condition, the other one was running quite fast. Took it to watchmaker for repair, he did it for another 20€. Both are in great condition, I polished acrylic crystals and use them now as daily beaters - literally. Construction works, electrics, woodworking... they are great daily watches as you wont even notice them on your wrist (32 and 33 mm cases.) I highly recommend anyone who wants to get into mechanical watches to start with something like that - they are cheap, at least in Central Europe you can get them repaired in every watch/jewelry store and you can later move on to something more expensive.
Great video. Among the first watches I practiced on was this model. It was very difficult for me to put everything together as it was before. For now, I'm 15 Pobeda. Thank you, and keep recording another Russian watch.
Every time you mentioned finding wet oil and gunk during disassembly I thought of the classic Timex solution of dropping the whole thing in some petrol 😱 Maybe I should give it a go; now where did I leave my hammer...🤔
I've recently started into the hobby of watchmaking/repair and a Raketa 2609 was my first repair, after that two Pobeda 2602s and now a Poljot 2614.2H. Lovely video, for the price on eBay, you really can't beat Russian watches for learning pieces. Some of them are quite lovely watches when they're given a little love.
I agree as a place to start you get a lot for your money. One day I will bring a Sekonda Deluxe to the channel. The movement on those are amazing yet completely unloved.
Its a Zim movement 2602, common between Zim and Pobeda. Soviet watch branding is very complex, Pobeda was Stalin's "pet" and like Vostok/Raketa is still original having survived the collapse. I would really recommend you get one from each brand just for comparison, the almost bulletproof Vostok to the complex twin mainspring Slava, the Poljot/Sekonda 3133 chronographs are incredibly cool and Sekonda was a brand invented for us British because we were not going to buy Zim or Slava any lifetime soon. Pulsar collaborated too with Belarusian Elektronika to produce the early red LED watches that we all remember, Elektronika were pretty big in the digital watch world and many were rebranded for the west. Sekonda, sounding bohemian a bit was born and there were British people who would swear Sekonda was British made. Cornavin was the American version of Sekonda although Poljot did some stuff for Jean Calcot with the blood red "fish eye" just about the most cool looking piece going.
speak of the devil - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zjUAzVVhlRI.html - nice to see the 3133 getting some recognition in its afterlife. If Mike is accepting recommendations, the 3017 is a worthy movement with lots of history. It would have to be in a Strela of course - then you could even do a comparison with the later 3133 Strela's to highlight the different chrono designs.
@@lafaina79 Poljot (meaning "flight") is often considered the absolute best marque the Soviet Union had to offer. The brand had its earliest beginnings in the First Moscow Watch Factory, created under the orders of Stalin in 1930 following the sale of the American and defunct Dueber-Hampden Watch Co. The "golden age" of Soviet watchmaking is generally considered to be the 1950s-1980s, so Poljot would feature heavily there.
Great little watch. I like the idea of a £5 watch. Nothing to lose and everything to gain on a practical everyday watch with reasonable looks! Must look out for one!
Great video with something a bit different . As always the "warts & all" presentation is a winner, any mistakes not edited out & its good to feel that Michael is still learning ,along with the rest of us. Thanks again.
I only have two Pobeda's in my collection, one a green tiger's eye UFO beastie, the other a rare 1950's national science award one on an exquisite tooled cuff band that someone won as first prize for coming top in a Soviet league of science students. The history just on that is quite amazing, watch works too albeit for 15 mins as the mainspring is gummed up but its so fragile I have just leather fed the strap, cleaned the exterior and put it away in a cool display box. I have attained well past my 100 in personal collection and have started work on the video showcasing them in batches e.g. Seiko's, Soviets, antiques etc etc
So glad to see this in my recommended feed today... I have this same watch (but with a white face - same case and movement), and mine needs a service. I didn't even know what the movement was called because I didn't see any markings when I first opened the case. So glad I saw this today!
I'm a new subscriber after watching My Mate Vince and although I'm ashamed to admit it, I have an eBay cheap £11 watch which is quartz and amazingly, it keeps time with the atomic clock on my wall . Now I'm hooked on wind-up watches. I just love the ingenuity of the mechanics and might give it a go! Great few videos I've seen so far and thank you! Ian
Any quartz watch no matter how cheap will keep amazing time. most will be more accurate than any mechanical watch despite the price. Read up on the "quartz crisis" when quartz watches came out it ruined the mechanical watch industry in Switzerland.
Good video. Back in the day when these watches where plenty in my country (Romania) they where very cheap. If you wanted a watch and did't have to much money this was the one. This is the base model in terms of the caliber. From this one there are 3 (i believe ) version: Raketa base Pobeda, Pobeda itself, and Slava based Pobeda. The Raketa version has a jewel on the 4th wheel in the bridge. There is one important thing you have to check on this one . Since there is no jewel on the 4th wheel you have to check for wear in the base plate and on the bridge. If there is, you can fix it using the special punch to reform the hole and use the reamer after. The same goes for the mainspring hub on the main plate and bridge. Please do a Slava 2427 movement repair
that's right, specifically 'stress crazing' - there's likely some bias in the case tension on the crystal that has imposed tensile strain across that region of the crystal. That can result in fine cracks perpendicular to the stress which accumulate over time - flexing from temperature and pressure changes are primary contributors
You helped me a lot. I have 6 of these, the case is aluminium, easy to polish. But I think they are older than yours, they are "Geneva finish" on the machine. All my colleagues when they where 14, received from parents a Pobeda. I hated Pobeda an wanted a OREX. To be 14 without a Pobeda, it was like today without a Iphone.
Pobedas are pretty solid, simple but solid. I've got one with the same movement and it keeps time quite well. Currently trying to get one with a central second running. Will use this video as a guide, since they are pretty similar. If I may recommend you something in the same flavour: Raketa watches. These are really good watches and are probably my favourite soviet brand.
I have my grand grand father watch witch is a zim with the same movement and case. Will be bringing it to my jeweler to have a full service of the movement and case refinishing to return it to an as new condition. Will look great in a watch ox with my Swiss pieces. Mine still runs when wound so that is a good thing.
Here a tip for you. When arranging the wheels in the jewels place the screws that holds the bridge in place but screw it just a little so that the bridge doesn't lift that much and doesn't moves sideways. Try this and you will see what I mean. Don't drop this watch because it doesn't have a anti sock system on the balance
Thanks again for letting us look over your shoulder. Folks may go on about the Omega Speedmaster being "The Iconic Spacewatch", but it was one of these humble Pobeda (pronounced "Puhb-YAY-dah") that was first in space, with Yuri Gagarin.
You must be seeing the same Ebay pages I do. I bought a pobeda for 22 dollars. Beautiful looking but cheap, dropped it out of the pack from the mail and broke the crystal! Surprise, it's actually sapphire.
I only stumbled across your channel recently so am working my way through your videos. I also own one of these with a beautiful deep red dial and it runs quite well. I may be wrong but yours looks like a typical Ebay bitsa watch that someone has probably built up from a pile of old movements. I used to collect Indian HMT watches and certain sellers were notorious for that. Luckily I had some contacts in India who could buy brand new watches from the factory.
I always enjoy watching your watch videos, I like tinkering with them also, probably the most epic thing I've done to a watch was an old Seiko that someone had gotten into trying to calibrate it with a slip to bend the balance wheel spring, I actually successfully straightened it out and it's now still keeping exceptional time. I'm presently wearing a Vostok Amphibia I bought about 15+ years ago, I put a different band on it which I really like plus replaced another crystal on it 2 days ago, it's beautiful again only gaining about 5 seconds a day. I've recently been catching up watching your videos and another guy from Australia's videos as well.
Thank you. I have done more work on it to make it run better. Now its to within +/- 10 seconds a day. Not bad for an old mass produced watch. Thanks for watching.
Smit Machinale Seeing that timer reminded me of working in science labs many years ago - we used to use them for timing experiments / procedures. Solid, reliable, robust machines (and actually easier to use than the modern push button electronic timers used now).
I bought it at a watch fair a while ago. The owner actually recognised me from this channel. Had no idea what I’d use it for but just liked the look. It’s now a key piece to my cleaning regime
My Retro Watches i still have an old Junghans timer, with luminous hands that goes up to one hour. Made for photography darkrooms. In a previous life I spent many hours in darkrooms with the sound of that loud ticking. Now reborn as an occasional kitchen timer!
Excellent job well done. Thank you. I just started this hobby. I'm too scared to remove all the parts. What if you remove the balance wheel, pallet fork, maybe the barrel harbor, clean the jewel holes from both sides. Make the train run again and put back the parts that u taken out.
Really enjoyed watching this. Lol was just typing ?ostrich band just as you said faux ostrich band, it suits the watch. Look forward to the next video.⌚👍
Thanks Jeni. It’s a leather scrap masquerading as ostrich . You can get ostrich bands and they are nice but expensive. Same with stingray! They are gorgeous straps but £50 upwards
You Sir, are a star :) I've now invested in a timegrapher so have the last tool I needed to actually start stripping and servicing movements and I have stacked tubs of movements just waiting for a chance to shine again :) I've been battling a terribly magnetised Poljot Mockba 80 from Israel, its taken several good zaps to get it to a point where its not adding an hour in half an hour, you would like Poljot movements as they were pretty well done. Did you catch my grail of grails find video? A brand new, never worn Sekonda branded 1970's "tank" super heavy automatic watch in original box... £14 I kid you not, then yesterday an Aeromatic full chrono with rotary slide rule dropped as well into my hands... the gods of ebay are being kind right now :D :D :D
Superb. I have two vintage Pobeda Kama that I'm going to get into as an improver as I invest in more tools and kit. I have a couple of Vostok Amphibia too but they keep great time just now. I'd really love to see some of the off camera fiddling bits because i feel that's where I'd be too! Cheers and off to read some of your tool recommendations!
Hi Mike, as always, another great video😀 Just out of interest, is that some sort of varnish on your peg wood? Also, was it just me or did anyone else shout at the screen when you were trying to put the crown wheel on?! 😂
Haha you mean you all knew I had the wheel on the wrong way?? Honestly I did not know at the time. My only excuse is i am sitting further away than without a camera so some jobs I just can’t really see what I’m doing . As for pegwood it’s covered in superglue! I needed something to put a drop on to fix one of my daughters toys. Ironically I now find the pegwood works better with the coating .
My Retro Watches thanks for the info on the pegwood, I have been considering something like that as I often find the doesn’t hold a point very long!😉 I have also been looking for the substitutes “plastic pegwood” but struggling to find some. As for the wheel, it was the fact that you put the retaining piece (disk) on first meant that the actual gear was never going to stay put!😜😂
Mate where did you score that timer clock for your parts washer?? I could use one of those & great job by the way. That Russian thing looked a bit tricky & it was interesting to see how much they did the same as everyone else but with their little own additions. keep working on those unusual ones, their the most interesting
I bought one like that off of Ebay. It said Zim on the dial but the same font for the numerals. The listing said 'Working but in need of a service'. When I popped the back open - no balance assembly. But again, it was inexpensive, from Ukraine. I've been searching, but I haven't found any donor movements with a working balance or intact hairspring. The movement was a Zim Pobeda 2602. The only difference I see is that the crown wheel on mine has two small screws while this one has the single reverse threaded screw.
Yes, it is despised ... the watchmaking industry may not have the sophistication of the Swiss and Japanese but they have managed through the years to achieve very acceptable watches with capabilities for day to day that are surprising for the technical solutions they have achieved over time ... a great example is that of the Vostok and Raqueta brand which are highly appreciated for their durability and robustness ... in addition to the price ... they offer robustness, simplicity and countless models. improved designs and their distribution within the reach of several markets ... even quartz models, here if I'm not clear what caliber they have and their quality.
@@MyRetroWatches one of the hands have fallen off my paboda, and i need to pull the stem before i can get the movement out. Ive played with old junk watches where the stem pulls right out, and ive found that some are secured, so i didnt want to make an old mistake(:
A pro tip for fitting the train bridge... Already screw the bridge in till you feel the slightest resistance then turn the gear closest to the barrel and almost everytime the other pivots will find their way into the jewels... Also I use my bare eyes for most of a watch... I use a x15 loupe for HS manipulation...
Ive never been a fan of placing the screws before the pinions are located. I have had first hand experience of breaking a wheel through thinking it was in place. You are lucky to use your eyes, as you know i only have one good one and that is failing now too. I am now using a loupe when i am not filming (filming I can only use a visor as the watch is almost at arms length away.) liking a loupe!
@@MyRetroWatches yeah I know you have eye problems 😢 It's really unfortunate and I'm really blessed to still have good eyes after all they've been trough... Staring at welding sticks mainly.............. Sparks from a short...
The strange clamp ring was indication that whichever watch factory likely Zim were short on screws and clamp pieces so would opt for the very cheap alternative which is a compression setup, when the caseback was screwed down it tensioned the movement firmly in place but being very mild steel the clamps lost their tension and you ended up with a clacky loose affair in there. You could read the various Soviet resource crisis in a Soviet watch, copper shortages meant all steel balances and pinions, the Soviets lacking chrome would have mild steel cases, even the lume's became white or coloured paint in times of shortage of phospor's but they were lavish with gold with a good AU10 plating as a general, there were times of AU5 microns and sometimes AU20 but those were rare and 10 microns is pretty good.
not sure to be honest I use the RU-vid audio library for my music as in there its all royalty free.I just searched Russian and this one was the best sounding option to go with.
The Breguet HS isn't too hard to manipulate but be aware that the HS with the overcoil needs to stay concentric and with a Breguet overcoil this is a bit more difficult especially if the fatness of the HS was disturbed... I took me around a hour to bend a Breguet overcoil for an old omega pocketwatch 😁 Running great now
thanks. Hairspring does look nice and concentric so could be just something touching in dial up or the balance jewel that I have not looked at. Do have done those would have added another 30 mins on this already too long video.
I just finished servicing the same movement; same dissapointment in regard to the timegraph readind: the line is parallel and not scattered, but wobbly :( Let's see how it performs in real life now!
Great video. I love these cheap Russian watches, quite a few of them have Breguet hairsprings. The poor dial up tinegrapher trace will probably improve when you get around to cleaning and oiling the balance cock jewels.
I like Russian watches.. The movements are robust and it's only the cases which let the whole watch down. I think you can adjust the sensitivity of the mike by pushing the arrow button up/down as the timer is reading the signal... At least it does on mine.
I remember when the iron curtain fell. I got a russian watch that had Murmansk on the dial. I traded it but now, I wonder what it was.This was before i new anything about watches.
You need to inspect balance staff jewels on cracks, find out is it some endshake in balance staff, inspect balance staff pivots and polish them on some 12.000+ grit oilstone (just a few passes should be enough). Also, try to inspect hairspring in all positions. It easily can touch balance wheel in "dial down" position.
Thank you. I dont really have the confidence to polish the balance staff as that surely would mean removing it from the balance which I have not learnt to do yet. I might take a closer look at the hairspring to see if its touching on dial up. The video was long enough without any fault finding . Thank you for your advise.
Hi Mike, which method is most common with crystals from 60s 70s. Friction, glue or other?. Or are they just varied, just starting to get into crystal replacement. Any advice would help, even from any of my fellow followers. 👍
Adrian Birkett hi pal, I’ve seen more tension ring, mainly in Seiko as thats what i do allot. The ones that just seem to push in or held in by a bezel are less common
This is typical 2602 movement. This is Lip french movement. Early production named Pobeda was started on 1 Moscow watch factory(later Poljot) by arrangement Stalin after WWII. First years watches included Geneva waves and marks letters Pobeda at a movement. Watches were produced at 1 Moscow watch factory(later Poljot(Flight), 2 Moscow watch factory Slava(Glory), Petrodvorets factory (later Raketa (Rocket) near St. Peterburg(Leningrad), Chistopol factory (later Wostok), ZIM factory in Samara.
