Ruthlessness | EPIC: The Musical ANIMATIC 

Honestly, Oddyseus was right in what he said, and Poseidon wouldn't have forgiven him anyway, "The line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible", Poseidon was simply being terribly cruel, he wanted to give them hope, which would really be a false hope, to then utterly crush it, he never really had any real intention of forgiving them and letting them go

​@@doloresgronenberg5882hes a god and odysseus tried to weasel his way out of responsibility. Even tho hes telling the truth its an unwise choice

3:59 “peace out bro, sorry not sorry”

What else was he supposed to say? He literally tried to negotiate with the cyclops and only hurt him to survive, what excuse could he have invented to tell Poseidon to better that?

@@YOSSARIAN313except he isn’t telling the truth Odysseus literally screamed out to polythemus his name so he could remember who blinded him. Odysseus was settled for an excuse instead of an apology and thats why poseidon killed bros men

Make sense probably working with the sea king from the drop

@@wolfsbanealphas617 no joke, I have thought this from the beginning. In the song Storm, you can hear both the electronic instruments and the regular trumpet playing, which is Poseidon's instrument per Jay. Since the storm roiling ocean the is supernatural, and you can't have an epic storm at sea without wind, it just made sense to me that Aeolus was somehow involved, too.

Aeolus later on after Odysseus had escaped Poseidon:, i didn’t do anything eh?! Your lucky I gave u that bag or you would’ve been in the underworld already

@@TowardsTheMoon880 I know, I know but it was the way he showed up and left XD

Aeolus: ✌️ Aeolus: _fades into the wind_ Aeolus: … Aeolus:

Pffft

Lol

I just envision Poseidon putting on glasses and counting at light speed before quickly returning to the position he was in before

I was thinking exactly this 😂

He really went "Hey so since I control the ocean, as you just saw, I know that I drowned so much of your crew that only 43 is left. Aren't I benevolent?"

Then again I hope you don't say "I'd rather you have killed him" 😭😭

@@nolongerinuse1723 of course not.

@@nolongerinuse1723well in the case of the Cyclops killing him would be mercy considering they have removed their only way of sight.

Hey I understand how you feel completely! And I’m not sure if you’ve heard the rest of the musical or at least carefully listened to it that much. But in defense of Ody he wasn’t showing hubris in EPIC! In the original Odyssey he was but this is a retelling! Ody shouted his name bc he was hurt and angry. Several of his men including his (extremely merciful) best friend just died in a really really traumatic way. He shouted his name to teach the Cyclops a lesson on mercy. He made a dumb and horrible mistake not on a clear mind. He blinded Polyphemus out of self-defense and to get his body away from the entrance (“His body his blocking the path- if we kill him then we’ll be stuck inside”). All Ody wanted was to get food for his crew, leave, and see his wife and son. He didn’t know a cyclops lived in that cave, he didn’t want to fight the cyclops (as seen with the fact he tried to negotiate first) and he certainly didn’t want his best friend and men to die like that. It’s not justice-Even if Ody wasn’t in the right. Because killing several hundred people isn’t equal to getting blinded. It’s ruthless, which is _exactly_ the intention for this portrayal of Poseidon!

​​@@TheQuasarWinds You're saying there is no hubris in: - Believing you're too good to kill an infant when you just got done slaughtering an entire city of unprepared soldiers. - Refusing to pray to Poseidon before departing for home. - Thinking that lying to a cyclops (whose favorite pet you just murdered) and offering him a drink will make him spare you. - Actively going against the advice of your chosen deity and basically telling the cyclops everything about you in a prideful boast after you, again, assumed you're too good to kill your opponent. - Seeking out the wind god Aeolus instead of at least trying to appease Poseidon, or just dealing with the consequences of your actions when the storm comes. - Constantly refusing to hear or listen to the concerns of your men despite constantly endangering them, even after the vast majority die needlessly from your mistakes. - He damn near falls victim to Circe after failing to kill her immediately, giving her time to try seducing him. Only his love for his wife saves him. - Damn near fighting a prophet because the guy doesn't just tell him what he wants to hear, even though the meaning of his prophecy is obvious if you think about it for like 2 seconds. More stuff will probably come up later, we already know Zeus gets involved somewhere down the line, but Odysseus gets put through the ringer a lot because he puts his conscience ("I'm the only one whose line I haven't crossed") above the survival of him and his men, which is hubris of the highest order.

We could say Poseidon was merciful in that case, because 🎵Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves!🎵

well no shi

@@mystxc1028 alright mystxc

True

I really love the one ship being held in the air but if I could animate, in my opinion I would have the one ship and Odysseus being held in the air individually to emphasize how powerless he was to help his crew and how they were all yelling for him to help

I actually expected Aeolus to wink at Odysseus when she flew by.

@@AnonEMouse-ls7fp SAME

Athena: THANKS AELOUS ! Poseidon: Tf-?!

It's made funnier by how in some versions of the myth Aeolus is Poseidon's child

Welp, someone's in their rebellious phase@@MizuHiful

That's cruelty. RUTHLESSNESS would have been leaving the blinded Polyphemus in silence, or killing him instead of blinding him to ensure he would be no threat. When Odysseus taunted Polyphemus, THAT was cruelty, because it served no purpose but causing pain for sadistic pleasure. Poseidon is repaying cruelty with cruelty.

Yeah, this art is great. Reminds me of another where they had him looking like a demon horse, but I can’t find it anywhere!

@@alisalevenseller2796 That sounds like an interesting spin!

AnniFlamma's Poseidon was pretty scary as well; he had a similar Eldritch Abomination vibe, and the same sadistic grin. But Jorge's Poseidon will always be the most disturbing to me. G E T I N T H E W A T E R

There is no world he isnt holding back in this sequence 😭😭 He could legit just grab Odysseus with his tentacle and skewer him until he looks like swiss cheese but thats not a ruthless as throwing him around and making him watch his crew die

"I am your darkest moment..."

Slight error it was believed that if you died at sea that your soul wouldn't go to hades but would belong to Poseidon instead.

@@tigercraft489 Dang… Rip to those guys’ afterlife 💀💀

@@agatha6999 yes they shall certainly be resting in pieces.

Well compared to his lifespan he is not wrong

Horseshit*

​@@Athenabadassinthearena So what you are say is, what Poseidon said was true... From a certain point of view.

Poseidon gets angry and frustrated often, true, but pissed off? Truly furious? That is rare

Compared to the rest of greek goods he's fine

"bitch you did NOT"

It's like that John Mulaney line, "And he was almost impressed!"

Posidon: wtf >:0

"You really gonna run from ME? ON WATER???"

"Wait, no, that's illegal >:("

The trident thing is so true, i was legit thinking "where the hell is poseidon's badass trident??" in a LOT of animatics. Pretty sure some had them

👁️👄👁️

Vibri :3

The cat meme where he goes Huh 😂

😂😂😂

Fitting, but what a torture it brings.

hey, ruthlessness is mercy upon gigi at this point

At least it's not 12 long years.

it's here

@@idoggy28lol

I loved this take so much! I always was kind of meh with the comedic feel in this otherwise super tragic scene, but this is perfect!

poseidon:bro... if you killed him i wouldn't have known who to punish

I was never quite sure how to picture either scene, but this animatic was perfect in that regard.

As a famous fella once said: “The game was rigged from the start”

He’s not wearing a dress, it’s a greek robe/toga, but now that you said that, all I can see is a dress 😂

Also the island they’re at looks like a trident

Yeah I love the Lovecraftian thing this animatic has going for it

Nothing wrong with a dress tho ​@rafaelaguirre8091

What did you think Lovecraft just made it up? Cthulhu had to come from somewhere.

True.

is it just me or did she "cut her wind" when she flew off too?

You clearly don't actually know anything about poseidon then.

@@Battle-Brother-Ixaris Just let people enjoy the aspects, it's animation, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate

For once a good take, Im tired of people praising the octopus thing. That choice just does not work for me under the context that this is Poseidon. Octopi don't feature in greek myth almost at all. If this was under the context of being some other ocean deity from a typical fantasy world, then I'd be more down for this design. Im not saying the animatic is bad or anything that happens is bad. I just find the context of this supposedly being poseidon to be incredibly jarring. It would've been one thing if the tentacle were made of water, but them being physical pieces of the god himself just does not work for me.

​@Battle-Brother-Ixaris I can kinda see it, Octopi live just about everywhere in the ocean, especially near the coasts, and Poseidon's temples were often built on the coast due to being the God of waters. I can totally buy Poseidon deciding to partially shape-shift into an octopus

@tetragaming6332 dude is all about horses. The fact that there's no mythical octopus monster in greek myth leads me to conclude that octopi are not indigenous to the Mediterranean.

@Battle-Brother-Ixaris they are. I meant what I said, they'll even live in the artic.

@tetragaming6332 ok then wheres the greek octopus monster? They made a monster for everything they knew about man, so wheres the big fuck off octopus?

But he didn't apologize - he just explained his reasoning, and he wasn't very honest with that either.

The thing is, Odysseus didn't apologize. He made an excuse for maiming Poseidon's son. Those lines are him pulling stuff out of his ass, trying to talk his way out of the situation. He never actually apologizes

he didnt though, as others stated, he did the equivalent of "I know was wrong but i did it for the right reason" Poseidon even SAYS Odysseus fucked up by not killing his son (The thing Athena told him to do)

He didn't apologize though, he made excuses and justified his actions.

and "Justified" them very loosely (since he failed to mention how he was about to steal from the cyclops in question, and the cyclops attacking them was justified, in a certain sense) @@Frank_N_Stein.

It’s serving male Ursula but I’m actually fine with it because it looks awesome.

@@JacobMinger Ursula is a queeeeeeen

Reminds me how in OUAT Ursula’s father is Poseidon

I feel like if this was a real movie it would have honestly been one of those 2D animated Dreamworks' movies like Prince of Egypt and Eldorado, and people would have made RU-vid videos today named "Poseidon in Epic: A legendary and underrated movie villain".

Except octopus are barely featured in greek mythology, and poseidon has 0 affiation to octopus, which is more of an equestrian deity. Meaning horses and horse based creatures, Pegasus is his literal son born from the bloody stump of medusa's neck after getting decapitated by Perseus. In fact, his other son Bellarophon inherited his horse riding abilities from poseidon and proceeded to use those abilities to aid in his slaying of the monster known as Chimera and would later attempt to fly up to olympus, both events being on the back of the earlier referenced Pegasus. Also Pegasus and Chimera are not the names of the species as they are the only ones of their individual kind, Pegasus is literally just the name of the singular winged horse and Chimera being the name of the individual monster.

​@@Battle-Brother-Ixaris the octopus is probably because Poseidon has command over the seas and all creatures in the seas and Pegasus isn't his son you must be referring to the rape of Medusa which was something the Roman poet Ovid added later not part of the original legend

@@bobross-ze8vy ah I see

His entrance made me think he went "Brother, I'm going down there to deal with this fuck-" And Zeus was like "Alright, bet, I'll make you look awesome and intimidating."

@@callmeaxt9688 Poseidon is also god of the storms, do technically he also has a claim on the use of thunder and lightning. Before Zeus became the main god of the pantheon, before the concept of a sky father became mainstream, the main god was actually Poseidon He was pretty spooky too

Sorry to be the party pooper but the Kraken is norse mythology and theres literally nothing resembling an octopus or squid in greek mythology, probably has something to do with the fact that from what I understand, octopi are not native to the Mediterranean especially around greece due to how flippin random the weather is.

@@Battle-Brother-Ixaris not a party popper at all. I'm aware the kraken Is Norse and that octopuses aren't native to the region and thus not in Greek mythos. However I feel the imagery of the giant tentacles coming out of the water to smash and drag down ships was almost directly referencing the kraken. Especially considering, as you said, there is no real reason to have octopuses/squids connected to posiden's design otherwise.

He looks like a grumpy toddler.

@@imadeanaccount2638 No litterally cause I had to go back and watch this cause I thought he was flipping odysseus off

@@Haunted_Spirit-_- lmao

and then the surprised pikachu face XD

​@@mariellemuller3617 it was before he sank.

anni you have no idea the terror your Ruthlessness animatic gave me throughout the creation of this video. Like, with every new shot I had to go back to your animatic to make sure I wasn't unconsciously copying your great ideas for that lmao

@@gigi2820 Aaaah Im sorry that mine added that stress 🤣 Its pretty much just a horse running around. But I really love your idea that Poseidon actually beat the crap out of him with the trident! And that he becomes big and the picks up the boat!

@@anniflamma1496 lmao don't say that, your video is so freaking good! I'm glad you enjoyed my animatic too! :D

My two favorite EPIC animators in one video, yall should do a collab someday

​@@WitherHuntress I agree with you. I ADORE both these animations and a volan with these two geniouses would be EPIC.(pun intended)😏😁

"Blown away" PFFF

@@waterwyvern The pun was fully intended

It’s giving POTC Davy Jones vibes

I have chosen to have both on my Playlist. I listen to Ruthlessness on repeat anyway, so having more than 1 tracks for me

Both portray Poseidon as Eldritch Divine Monsters. Poseidon here has ties to older form from the predecessor of hellenistic Greece: a catatonic God, ruler instead of Zeus and called the Earthshaker. Also the ties to the most nefarious mythical sea creature that sailors have feared with him are great. The other animatic does what a lot of animatics are doing, where Poseidon is one with sea and therefore attacks them through whipping up a storm. It also ties into his other position as God of Horses, with him turning into one (as he has countless times). It's also a neat connection to the way that poets and writers back then described turbulent waves as racing horses. And of course, pointing out the irony of Odyssey with the Trojan Horse built along with Athena - who is Poseidons main rival not to mention.

I personally think the overall choreography is more clever and impactful in this animatic with the little details of poseidon holding up the ship, odysseus throwing a knife at the bag and the menacing red tint when poseidon goes on his rampage. I also prefer his design here, i particulary loved his unique tentacle movements. He looks less human and more powerful. I really liked the horse theme in the other animatic though. Both artists did an incredible job

Playlist makers are just gonna have to flip a coin because like both are so damn incredible and deserve recognition and praise

Honestly, this really could've been mediated with an "I'm sorry, I was trying to minimize his pain, not extend it. I'd seen so many of my men die and I didn't want to be responsible for another death. I was wrong, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have left your son to suffer." But y'know, that would've required actual humility and humanity on Odysseus's part. The ability to reflect on his actions, overcome his own hubris, and admit wrongdoing. Sacrificing one of those sheep to Poseidon in apology (especially if they'd killed polyphemus) wouldn't have hurt, either.

​@@bornvleviPoseidon would not let them go either way.

@@bornvlevi Considering his whole song is "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" I really dont think he was being serious about the apology bit lol

Man’s is a Canadian so I’m a professional sorry sayer.

@@agatha6999 I’d say he’d possibly spare some more of Poseidon’s crew if he had apologised. Not gotten rid of the punishment by any means but softening the blow.

These men are soldiers who up until this point always had a way to combat an enemy but this is a god and no blade can pierce their flesh, so the desperation to even survive, and their inability to fight back is something you’d feel in this situation.

I don’t think you understand how Poseidon operates in EPIC. We’re humans with idealized mercy where life of all is precious, Poseidon is a god who claims “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves”. Honestly the only thing Odysseus could have said here to save his crew is either recognize he was the only one that wanted mercy since in Remember them the crew all yelled “Let’s kill him” or create reasoning why they were unable to kill the cyclops. Poseidon even recognizes he wouldn’t even know of Odysseus’s actions if they had killed Polyphemus. While the type of singing is gorgeous, in this scenario you’re still a god with knowledge of Apollo, you’ve probably heard that music by now and Odysseus’s singing would be subpar in comparison at best. So the lyrics, singing, and viewpoints all lead to an expected end for the 500 or so drowned.