Ryan Condal Interview with Elio and Linda 

About the question of the Targaryens assimilating: Ruling classes don’t assimilate as quickly as regular immigrants do. The English kings spoke French until the 15th century. It makes sense for the Targaryens to still uphold some Valyrian traditions 100 years after the conquest.

I generally want to agree with Preston’s point that Targaryen Incest was not nearly as normalised as we and post-Baratheon characters think it was, but there just seems to be too many examples of genuine love, or lust, between family members to discount it. The scion of their house, Aegon I, famously married Visenya for duty but Rhaenys for love, which he didn’t have to do. Bloodraven and Bittersteel fighting over a woman their whole lives who was their sister is probably the most famous example as no one told them they had to do that, they just did that naturally. At the same time, there’s Naerys and her brother Aemon the Dragonknight. And while they didn’t have sex like Aegon IV believed and Daeron II was legitimate, it still seems very likely that they were forbidden lovers who just couldn’t be together. Jaehaerys II and Shaera are probably the example that proves this point best as after Aegon V grew a distaste of the practise of incest, these two ruined two very politically strategic marriages for the Crown just to marry one another in a way that makes it sound like they were star crossed lovers who couldn’t bear to be apart from one another. Hell, even the most integrated to Westerosi religion and customs, Baelor The Blessed, locked his sisters in the Maidenvault so he wouldn’t be tempted by them. So if there isn’t something in the Valyrians which makes them more prone to Incest than other races, why did the king who believed more strongly in the Andal gods than any other Targaryen king still feel these urges? And there are many, many more examples than this one could cite. I really like the idea Preston is going for and that the Targaryens did feel the same taboo about Incest that most people did, but there are just too many examples from the text which say this just isn’t the case. There are too many characters who do feel this way about their siblings to discount them as simply political marriages like the Hapsburgs when many Targaryens explicitly create unnecessary political crises just to indulge their incestous desires.

The mermaid-horse is called a Hippocampus. It's a real mythological and heraldic character. Check wikipedia.

Someone has done something right with this new series, feels much more ASOIAF than S5-8 of GoT.

Fun fact: Vomitoriums are just stadium doors. They did have a lot of those though.

For the record, the Prince of the UK Harry (so not the direct heir), went to a party where he dressed up as a Nazi officer. Certainly affected his reputation at the time.

The assimilation conversation is super interesting. Preston is of course right that after 100 years any family would be super integrated into their new society, however I think it changes the situation being royalty and the most powerful people in the world. As the society around them begins to shape them, because of their position of power they also shape the cosiera around them and are able to isolate themselves and continue customs that others can’t. I think this is also why they speak Valyrian to the dragons and between each other at times. It’s too maintain their sense of elitism and supremacy of their family over others

What are the chances that F&B v2 and a bunch of dunk and egg novellas come out before WINDS? I thinking quite high 🤔

25:00 - George thinking about making the Targaryens black. Yes, I think he was waxing poetic - but that literally coulndnt fit in the story because that would make Jon half-black and his identity couldnt be hidden.

I REALLY liked Feast when I first read it. I’m not sure how it holds up overall though. The kingsmoot was one of the most gripping scenes of the entire series for me.

I'd admit to laughing for 5 min straight at the thought of Prince William and Anne at a brothel, as fucked up as that may be.

"Condal probably hasn't read the Hedge Knight" Preston, Condal literally said he read it earlier in the interview

Regarding the Velaryon sigil, it should be noted that in many cultures seahorses are more associated with dragons than horses. In Japanese seahorses are called Tatsu-no-otoshigo, which translates to Dragon’s bastard child (or evil spawn).

One thing I always thought was interesting about Blazonry is the posit that a lot of knight's armor may have been painted going into battle, and the reason we think most of them wore plain armor is the monks that collected the armor scrubbed the paint off to preserve it and that's how they painted pictures of the battles. Not entirely too sure if that's just an old historian wife's tale but I thought it was pretty cool. I know they found a Germanic ritter helmet with some very cool paintings on it, in addition to some other helms.

You have to remember that HBO is trying to win back the audience that D&D wrote the later seasons of GOT for, the normie fan that knows nothing about the books, or really care for Fantasy, and those people pushed GOT into being a huge cultural phenomenon. The people who think Danaerys name was Khaleesi and enjoy gratuitous sex, violence, and nonsensical battle scenes over dialogue scenes or character development scenes. So it’s no surprise that Condyl is basing the Targaryens off Hollywood renditions of Rome. Edit: To the people who think this a “strong woman YAS slay Queen show”, you are going to be sorely disappointed because everyone is in the Dance of Dragons are pretty shitty, despite their gender. Lol.

You’re wrong about the gladiator rings not being brutal. I had to read Galen’s writings for my history of science degree. Pretty much our entire early basis of anatomy is based on being able to cut up/attempt to fix dying or dead gladiators. It is some insanely brutal stuff.

of course Ryan Condal read Dunk & Egg, he pitched a Dunk & Egg prequel in 2016

Damn Preston deserved that interview!! Btw you guys are the best GOT/HOTD podcast by far!! Love you guys!!

I wouldn't use modern immigration to explain what's going on with the Targaryens. A much better analogy is the Normans who largely considered themselves French and used French as the court language in England for hundred of years after 1066. I think the show nails this with them still using what is basically a dead language in court that's not understood by anyone other than Maesters.

I believe that the main problem with Rhaenyra's heirs being bastards and other cases of breaking the legal and social rules is that she is a princess of a rather fresh foreign dynasty with nuclear weapons (dragons). For anyone who is not a dragon raider, the law and institutions are only shield and hope that they won't go back to the times of conquest or Maegor the Cruel when Targaryen did whatever they wanted, because they have dragons, a power without match. For the most historical empires, after conquest there should come a time of cohabitation, law and compromises between conquered and conquerors, due to the inability to keep the conquering power and the threat of violence indefinitely. With dragons in the Westeros, we still have this staying threat without any chance of regular opposition from the smallfolk or the lords, so any rules and institutions (marriage, inheritance, punishments for the crimes, etc) and abiding them by Targaryen are crucial. They are all that difference this regime from straight-up bloody tyranny. And any rules-breaking Targaryen should be a scary and threatening thing to any inhabitant of Westeros or public order. The big problem with this interpretation which we see in a lot of materials - with Alicent being jealous, conservative bigot and brave free spirit you-go-girl Rhaenyra - is that Alicenta is regular person from good family, but with not such a great standing in westerosi society (she Is a daughter of the second son, woman) and Rhaenyra is an heir to the throne, from master-race of eugenic dragon riders, who believe themselves to be above other people (or even closer to goods) because they descent from the old slaving empire. Alicent don't have too much choice, structurally, than just abide the rules. Being the mother of a dragon rider or a Targaryen king is probably the highest and safest position someone like her can secure and the only situation in which she has a chance to not be defenseless snd afraid for her life if next targaryen noble decide that he wants to for example murder someone or burn a city. For her, situation in which her son was maimed without any consequences, by Rhaenyra nad Daemon kids. was probably a tipping point, because she again felt helpless. Not because she is not brave enough, not because she is not yass-slay-queen-rebel, but basically because she is not Targaryen. In the contrast - Rhaenyra, as heir and dragon raider, has probably the best, most independent position in 7 kingdoms, apart of her sex, because she has hierarchic advantage over almost anyone and also possibility to use ultimate nuclear dragon violence on the whim . Her misbehaving and rule breaking is not a sign of bravery, its more like Elon Musk or other privileged billionaire or politician flaunting that they don't have to follow rules. Or worse. Because of dragons.

For me, the best example of QT's hyperviolence is definitely Grindhouse Deathproof and the theme of a guy killing people with a car. The design of the car itself and the fact that it is death proof, but only for the driver. And this crash scene with repeated shots of how the characters die one by one.

The gladiator games weren't the only blood games that were being played. There were many different types. Like gladiators killing slaves and criminals. Animals killing slaves and criminals. Animals killing each other. And don't get me started about the times they flooded the colosium to recreate naval battles

I think the half horse sigil is meant to be a hippocampus, a creature from greek myth

Feast is like Midnight Tides of the Malazan series. On your 1st readthrough it's at the bottom, but on re-reads it rockets to the top.

The horse on the Velaryon sigil is a hippocampus, and that is actually the symbol for A World Of Ice And Fire.

I’m guessing since he hasn’t mentioned Rhaenyra murdering that rando this was recorded before ep 7?

I love every ASOIAF book, but Feast is my favorite too.

33:45 just because there are rules about heraldry doesn’t mean that the escutcheon (not coat of arms or “sigil” as GRRM calls them, escutcheons were are the “shield” component of coats of arms without the supporters or achievements around it) didn’t break those rules all the time. Every culture has their own traditions which conflicted with each other and their own personal inclusions which could be seen as strange. Not to mention that at a certain point esutcheons were quartered so many times that you’d end up with ones like modern Spain’s today, which you can’t easily recall or draw without staring at it Same thing applies to flags, yes there *are* rules about how they *should* be designed, but any American who’s seen an atrocious town or state flag can tell you they aren’t always at all. Including “flawed” heraldry, imo, makes the setting more believable and also unique. Westeros isn’t 1:1 medieval Europe

So I went and read the interview and it pretty much was exactly how you reported on it here but the thing that stood out to me and I thought was really funny was the indication at the beginning that Linda was not there and that she just left after saying hello to Ryan "to look after our dog Lancelot" And given the way Linda has been ranting about the show and the casting of black people on Twitter, I just found that very funny

I know for sure Ryan has read the hedge knight, because that was Ryan’s first wish to do as a show

hey i know itd take a little more trouble but if you guys are discussing an image such as a sigil, it would greatly enhance the viewing experience if you put it on screen.

In WOIAF states that there was once a tourney at. Last Harth in which 18 men died. Ryan was probably more right than we gave him credit for

I'm sorry but ican't get over this lol the Velaryons being black just doesn't make sense no matter how you wanna twist it.. their purpose in the story is literally just that they are of the same ethnic group as the Targaryens. It's their one defining characteristic. Making the Valyrian ruling class multi-ethnic removes the whole point behind the "pure Valyrian blood" theme. George very purposefully writes the Targaryens as Valyrian-supremacists who believe that they are superior to others because of their race (and then of course demonstrates that they are infact not actually superior). This idea that you have characters that have ultimately racist motivations but at the same time you make their racism inclusive is just nonsense.

Condal does know about dunk & egg. He stated in an interview that George told him where the story is going to go.

Medieval Christians absolutely did not believe it was a good thing that Rome fell. If they did they wouldn’t have revived it in 800. Who is the most important theologian to medieval Christians, Augustine, who so loved the Roman Empire.

14:30 Your conversations about assimilation are a little silly. You're comparing colonists with Rulers. The Targ's are rulers, and ruling classes have always had wildly divergent values than those they rule. Think about how long it took for Vikings to properly assimilate into British society, and other societies in Europe. Or Mongols in Russia. Or the Normans in England. It can take some time. And when considering fictional psychic dragon riders who take exceptionalism as part of their family character it is no surprise to me that they would have wildly different ideals than those that they rule.

When Spielberg made "Temple of Doom" he rejected the elephant wranglers using their long sticks because he didn't see them use that in "The Jungle Book"... Hollywood historical imaging is even more powerful than hisory itself. I like to think those lewd tapestries were later removed by Baelor the Blessed.

26:00 - Having colonies all over the world actually dosent logically mean that entire noble families will be multiracial. There were not black noble houses in Rome, there were not black, indian, australian, or native american noble houses in europe, just because of colonisation.

Is this a snippet of a podcast or something? Or does Carmine always want to end them turbo early. This was a hair over 35 minutes and I could listen to an hour podcast of y’all easily. Or maybe Preston had the new baby to tend to….? I dunno, point being is to make them longer guys. Good stuff.

5:05 "the Barbarians" also weren't savages. A good chunk had been citizens even (Odoacer, who famously deposed the last Western Roman Emperor was an officer of the Roman Army for 6 years before overthrowing Romulus Agustulus).

I don't agree that all the characters are grey or horrible. Corlys and Rhaenys are nice people. Rhaenyra children are good and kind boys, the same for Baela and Rhaena. Helaena is innocent and sweet. In season two: Daeron is THE nice person in the story. Adam is the most honorable in all Fire and Blood. Netles and Benjicot cried after battle. There is also Cregan Stark, Aly Black, and other minor characters.

The Roman Empire converted to Christianity and the most christianized bit was the one that survived for 1000 more years. The Barbarians WERE CHRISTIAN. It's important not to forget that. What killed the Western Roman Empire was an inability to collect taxes combined with the loss of the graine provinces in North Africa to the vandals, this killed the grain dole and ended social cohesion in italy. The lack of money meant that the empire had to pay it's army in land and not coin so in effect they established multiple "barbarian" kingdoms, the Ostrogoths, the Visigoths, the Franks, the Burgundians ect. At some point the General Controlling Rome and the leader of it's armies realized that he didn't control any areas outside Italy directly so he simply realized that it wasn't an empire anymore and sent the regalia to Constantinopel. The Eastern Roman Empire spent the next 200 years trying to reassert control and did everywhere except France and Britain. This attempt basically ended with a combination of a civil war, persian invasion and avar invasion.

Talking about ancient myths and misconceptions, vomitorium isnt a place to vomit, it's a mass exit area out of a building. Like a Colosseum, which isn't called Colosseum, but Flavian Amphitheatre. Colosseum is the place where it is built, bcs it used to be populated by big statues (colosses).

This is a fairly small subject you guys cover in this but just to clear matters up it seems fairly obvious that Targaryens seem almost magically or perhaps pheromonally attracted to one another. This is illustrated multiple times, from Jaehaerys and Alysanne getting married against the wishes of their mother, to King Egg's kids Jaehaerys and Shaera hooking up despite the wishes of Egg and their mother Betha Blackwood. This could also maybe explain why Jon and Dany may perhaps find themselves somewhat magnetized towards one another when they meet (along with them just being very attractive people). So, I think saying "oh, Alyssa and Baelon probably weren't into each other" even though by all accounts they very much were because brothers and sisters just aren't as a rule is a little ignorant of the reality the author is trying to illustrate.

They gave the Velaryons the fictional sea-horse (a hippocampus) as sigil, instead of the real animal. Some of the real medieval families had similar figures in their coats-of-arms.

Bartimos Lord of the Crab Rave 🦀 CONFIRMED

It's very telling that these people complaining about the women getting the best characters are *actually* just complaining about women getting as much screen time as they do.

I hate to break it to preston but incest is still very prevalent amongst extremely country people

Liking A Feast For Crows is only surprising to anybody if you read it before that content happened in the tv show. The downside was that we were removed from most of the "main characters" and were introduced to new characters and storylines. If you have the context of the show, the book provides so much more information and context...plus a great idea of who Brienne already is. If you are reading from book to book with no context, you have a head full of ideas and theories that arent even touched on by the content of AFFC. If youve already seen the show, the Arya content in Braavos (whether it pays off later in the books) is such a HUGE improvement over what we get in the show.

The Velaryons being black doesn't make any sense. Valyria had colonies, yes, but Velaryons aren't from the colonies, they are valyrian. They have common ancestry with Targaryens. Given that whites and blacks have tens of thousands, if not hunderds of thousands of years of different ancestry, there is no way black Valyrians can exist. Also I'm pretty confident that Velaryons and Targaryens interbred before Rhaenys and Corlys, so even if you accept the impossible premise of black Valyrians, they wouldn't be pure black Velaryons and pure white Targaryens. This critique is completely independent of the "anti SJW" critique (which is valid to some extent too).

The Numenor queen isn't an antagonist. Are you even watching the series? She joined her forces with Galadriel and they together kicked ass of those male orcs and their patriarch Adar along side Milf who's got that black elf all hot and heavy.

I’m sorry Preston but you have no idea what you’re talking about in terms of the Roman Empire. Are you telling me that the Eastern Roman Empire which a lot of Targ symbolism is based on wasn’t decedent just because it was Christian? Have you read any first hand accounts from the church fathers like Saint Augustine who described Carthage as the most decedent city he lived in? Where sex was apart of religious worship for certain deities?

Is Preston projecting his own values on to Baelon and Alyssa? Dammit Preston I was rooting for you

I wish it was you who got to interview Ryan Condal, Preston.

The current velaryon sigil is basically a capricorn

My personal ranking: 1. Feast for Crows 2. Storm of Swords 3. Hedge Knight 4. Mystery Knight 5. Sworn Sword 6. Clash of Kings 7. Game of Thrones 8. Dance of Dragons

Some friends and I were chatting about the incest tendency for Targaryens. We think the biological tendency to not want to screw your close relatives may be "resessive" in dragonriders, and that the two traits might be closely tied together, hence the "keep the blood pure" goal of producing heirs and dragonriders. I understand being squicked out by the casualness of the incest. I can see living as a Targaryen as kind of like being an Apex predator, anything goes of you want it, social guidelines are set by others and do not apply to you. Imagine being an actual physical Dragon among puny men, and the god complex that would give you.

33:00 - Really interesting about sigils. All I can say is that in the UK, there have been many times Ive seen a host of shields with sigils on, as they adorn many public buildings. I find many of the designs small, indistinct, and hard to identify from far away. Most sigils seem to be halved or quartered, and in each quarter has another typical symbol of a repeated pattern of symbols. Would be very hard to see from far away. The same symbols are used over again, or mashed togehter, into artistic abominations, with multiple animals around a crest which itself is quarered, with a crown held by doves, and a heart pierced with an arrow, and a banner with a latin quote on it - Thats just a typical crest XD.

Does Ryan think that ASOIAF is supposed to represent Rome not the middle ages?

I‘m a bit confused by Prestons remarks about Rome. They only changed like 100 years before the fall to Christianity but they are already around for 1100 years. I don’t really see why this means that they weren’t decadent. Edit. Thank you for your answers. It’s much clearer now.

it's gonna be super easy to downvote me for this, but regarding the Velaryons being portrayed by people of color, I would want to know how Preston reconciles this with how intermarried the Targaryens and Velaryons are at this point in the story? How do they look so different when Aegon I's mother was a Velaryon, and there are several intermarriages between then and the time of King Viserys I

I do have thoughts about the two legged four legged dragon on the banners. First thing to keep in mind is that in medieval times there wasn't a printing press nor the internett, so standardized designs for heraldry and banners was basically impossible. Like lets say there is a sigil with a black hand on a bloody field, simple enough to design. But then things start getting a bit messy, which hand is it? Left or Right? Is the hand in a fist or not? What are the length of the fingers? When you say the background is a bloody field is it just red or a mix of red and green? Since there is no printing press you had to craft the banners and heraldry by hand, and even if you had a group of artists with a unified idea of what it should look like you will still have subtle differences in style. And since there is no internett to search what the flag should look like you have vastly different designs over bigger distances. So in conclusion, who gives a shit about the number of legs the dragon banner has? Remember that not everyone gets to see a dragon, maybe most of the artists designing the logo. Of course some would have 4, heck I imagine in places where there aren't dragons there might be a lot more dragon banners where they have four legs. Heck by the start of Game of Thrones dragons have been gone for generations. Of course there are gonna be four legged designs.

The three heads on the Targaryen sigil have a symbolic meaning. What meaning do 4 legs have? Still waiting on Condal to give an in-universe explanation.

please no more carmine of red team review

I don’t really get the no good guy complaint. Maybe it’s just me, but I feel I don’t need to be cheering for or identifying to a good guy to appreciate entertainement.

In a valley girl accent: "UM, IT'S ACTUALLY VOMITORIA! WITH AN A!" I'm kidding, but i couldn't help myself.

When you look at Elden Ring there are a couple characters with "fire-giant" ancestory who have dark skin and red hair, kind of like a Ganondorf type look. When I saw those characteristics I figured that's what George was thinking about when he imagined dark valyrians.

Imho PJ should just try to simply utter sentences. All that wells, umms and pauses are so annoying and btw it doesn't show how thoughtful he is. It just come out as arrogant. Those abandoned sentences are hard to listen to. Good theorist tho.

19:25 I really felt like you danced around the original point here, one of the strangest Preston answers i have heard. Something is off here. Not about main characters or likeability or good. It was energy, aptitude and masculinity he was referring to.

I'm not going to quote a professor Vernon Bogdard or claim like I even got the last name spelled right but to quote paraphrase 'anything that is tempting in this world is offered to a prince of Wales'

Isn’t House Baratheon technically a Valyrian house?

plot twist Bartimos Celtigar will be played by an actor of asian descent.

I love it when Preston slips into his "Chad" voice.

Very interesting. Feast is my favorite too even though almost everyone puts it at the bottom when ranking the books 🤣...

30:00 A half horse half sea creature/fish is what a Seahorse means, heraldically (real seahorses are described as "Hippocampus", which yeah, is kind of backwards). Description being "a seahorse" is not proof one way or the other that it is a natural or a myhological seahorse.

Preston have you ever talked about Martin's synopsis letter and also Martins writing speed in the 90s

My second (and last) post on r/asoiaf was on my love for AFfC. You would have thought I had explained the flaws of net neutrality. Also, “A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms” audiobook is read by Harry Lloyd (Viserys) and is well worth your time. Sometimes you can find it on RU-vid or, better yet, PJ’s audible link

Hey Preston, keep to Martin. Your comments on RoP are not well informed. Really like your Martin content, though.

For me from favourite to least favourite probably: 1. A Storm of Sword 2. A Dance with Dragons 3. A Feast for Crows 4. A Game of Thrones 5. A Clash of Kings

feel like they made the valeryons black to make the bastard stuff stand out more. probably just wanted to be able to cast a more diverse cast too plus the white dreads look sick

Love the way presto low key threw some shade on the British monarchy by calling them out for being useless 😂 Instant thumbs up for this video

The Qing Dynasty/ Manchu never truly integrated with Chinese society (after almost 300 years), neither did the mongols

I listen to Feast and Dance over and over

According to a documentary they make Prince William seem like he was very close to making some of those mistakes but had some decent people watching his back I guess but interesting analogy

A clash of kings is great… So the first two seasons on hotd is just incest? I’m glad I skipped it. It’s too much. Also my baby’s mother totally has purple eyes.

I hate that Linda and Elio act like the ASOIAF gatekeepers and ultimate authorization of the I.P.

Its odd to invoke Roman Colosseum brutality in a world based on Chivalric values in the Middle ages. Its why that scene was so jarring.

Alicent is definitely not pro incest, so why did she allow her own children to marry each other? Because she didn't want Rhaenyra's child marrying Helaena? Wouldn't it have been more beneficial to strenghten alliances with other houses by marrying into them?

People also take the fact that women sleeping around being less acceptable than men doing it, to mean that men could just sleep around in the middle ages. That was really not the case

@preston Jacobs ,the decadence myth was absolutely bunk. But the Romans DID have a lot of pornographic art to be fair;)

9:00 - It's funny, for a very long time I didn't read Dunk & Egg because I thought they were comics. Eventually I learned that there were also regular written versions and I then bought "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" and I absolutely loved it.

Hey Preston dude...if I'm not mistaken, but isn't exactly prince William who take pictures with SS uniform 🤔

I must’ve seen hundreds of hours of your and carmines videos, and despite you both having a pokemon themed profile picture in the podcast, I’ve yet to hear you say a single word about pokemon. Are you ever going to talk about it?

I love you guys

Sibling's attraction is observed quite often in deeply dysfunctional families. It may be said that beeing part of the royal/dragon family doesn't help in this area. Imagine you are a dragonrider and only your family has dragons. In your world there's constant abuse. So how to cope? When we find ourselves attracted to our siblings, we might make sense of our attraction in terms of the most logical category available (superior dragonraiders/dragons) and feel that what is desired is sex with another dragonrider. Another similar person in similar situation. Tricks on the mind: attraction/love/power/safety. The incest taboo and it's limitations is a vast and interesting topic.

Wait I’m super confused why the uncle/niece pairing is supposed to be weird in story, when there are non-Targ Westerosi who married an aunt or uncle. Just off the top of my head there were two Stark girls married to their uncles, and that’s not even mentioning the dozens of first cousins which is only a step away from aunt/uncle. Otto suggested Rhaenyra marry her HALF BROTHER, how is uncle worse than HALF BROTHER?!?! Lol it just bothers me when in world rules don’t stay consistent. Like it’s weird for us, but should be standard in story!! Also, Preston says that marrying Alicent made the Targs more religious… huh? How? She herself is self righteous and judgmental, but she doesn’t cause the Targs to be more religious, and the incest continues on for decades. And again, it was her father who suggested Rhaenyra marry her brother!!!!!!! The whole point of people objecting to the incest is that it’s an excuse when they think an alliance will be too powerful.

If the Velaryons were back, GRRM would have pointed it out in TWOIAF or fire and blood. It would be a very distinguishing feature that separates them from the other westerosi houses

George is pretty clear in a LOT of interviews that Westeros under Targaryen rule isn't supposed to be a depiction of Rome, its Medieval era Europe. Valyria is his closest Rome-insert..

oh wow!!! can we have elio and linda on a podcast with you? or even a live? to ask various questions ??

I think making the strongs black would make more sense but I’ve liked the velaryons so far