Even Hardware Unboxed did a big review of the B650 motherboards and found that the Asrock models were doing better than ASUS! Good to see this one doing the same.
There are two versions of this so careful when shopping. A620M-HDV/M.2 - 90-MXBLL0-A0UAYZ - Really barebones, has less IO on the back and no VRM heatsink. Should be avoided IMO. A620M-HDV/M.2+ - 90-MXBLK0-A0UAYZ - The one with the Plus (+) at the end, shown in this video. It is a decent board, but very close in price to the very good B650M-HDV/M.2 - Better in every way for ~30 USD or 35-40 Euro more. We are getting just the savings from the chipset, but just that, the board as a whole is a lot worse as well. Practically no benefit to the buyer.
A320 was great, could pick them up for £10-15. Bios update, 3100-3700x dropped in with 2 x 8 or 16gb sticks and lock in XMP with optimised timings. Add a 970 Evo Plus and you were only a couple % points off way more expensive boards. Like the A520I boards too.
correct since from 3000-7000 its no longer about more voltage more performance on OC but now its less voltage less temperature more performance basically a voltage offset overclock... But if the system is running 20-24/7 under heavy load that will degrade MOBO vrm until MOBO malfunction later on.. so A-chip TBH fine for r5 100% and for r7 you need a good case airflow might will limit PBO manual setting when you remove power & temp limits which force CPU run harder on heavy load to maintain higher frequency than default which put stress more on VRMs so this is only fine for CPU voltage offset OC not with PBO manual from r5-r7 and not for 105w cpu like r9 and x3D cpus PBO manual cause issue due to higher power that will put more stress on this chipset and this in the video have a decent heatsink but most A-chipset have no heatsink so for those A chipset a 105TDP is a big NO and will only be fine upto r5 TBH.
@@gamertechlive1780an a620 with moded vrm heatsink is always better than the most expensive x670, 10 phases power can push 500A (200A @40%) which means more than enough for a non oc r9 7950x
@@InternetListenerNo, it’s not a must. Good luck getting a combo with ryzen 5000 for less than $100. In fact, might as well get ryzen 7000 or intel 12th
You deserved that break mate!. Good video this one. Shows that the A620 board are rather decent despite the cutdown features that most people would not really miss. Thank You.
As one of my favorite youtubers, I must say I was starting to worry about you! Very happy to see a new video and know that you are well and doing fine. Please keep up the great work and thank you for the wonderful content!
just gotta be careful with what tdp your cpu has with those, some of asrocks hdv a620 boards are only rated for 65w (!) CPUs and 120w CPUs, as listed on their website.. so no 7900x or 7950x in those boards haha
The thing with 7800X3D is that it isn't really OC-able, thus performance between the 2 chipsets are close. If you use non X3D CPU and enable PBO on the higher end chipset, the difference will be bigger. Right now the result is basically the same because the CPU is simply running according to spec. This also means that if you cheap out and buy non X CPU (like 7700 instead of 7700X) and hoping to get close to X CPU performance, then you probably won't get that with A620, thus if you care about performance and on the budget, you want to pair A620 with X CPU. With B650, you can get away using non X CPU. Having said that, currently X vs non X pricing is very close that you might as well buy the X version since it is likely that the X version have better silicon. Anyway, the main issue with A620 is that most are giving it shitty VRM and I imagine if it equipped with better VRM, the pricing would be close to B650 and the majority of B650, even the cheap one, have good enough VRM (there are bad ones of course like in the recent HUB B650 comparison) for even the most power hungry Ryzen 7000 CPU.
man, the motherboard prices have increased so much over the years. i paid 160 EUR for a pretty alright X370 board in 2017. with AM5, 160 EUR won't even get you a decent B650 board
Intel has much better prices for both motherboards and cpu's. Turning your back on intel was fashionable in 2017, but these days it is expensive to be against intel.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior no they don't. it seems you haven't looked at the prices recently. AMD CPU prices have adjusted a lot and good AM5 mobos are at the same level as Intel mobos. the 7700x is cheaper or the similarly priced compared to the 13600k in many regions (including where i live). for reference the 7700x is faster in games (using cheaper RAM) and trades blows in productivity (generally a bit slower). current newegg prices: both are 320$
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Perhaps you should list the specific motherboard model? Asrock has two A620 in Denmark, the ASRock A620M-HDV and the Asrock A620M PRO RS. The first is the cheapest, but has no cooling on the VRMs, the latter looks really decent actually, but is only 30 Euro less than B650 boards, but might still be worth it. edit: It seems the A620-HDV/M.2+ is the one with VRMs, that's 10Euro extra. The placement of the second M.2 is also different. Buyers be aware to get the version you need.
Turning around that VRM cooler will also help when using normal tower cooler turning side with larger dissipation area toward airflow. But for me a620 is more something to pair with 7600 or any other 65W part. Most people who shop in that price range would never use any of 650/670 features anyway.
If you want High end features and a beefy VRM the PG Riptide Wifi B650e for 180 dollars from asrock is an absolute beast of a board if you want no nonsense and everything you need, it also has huge vrm heatsinks
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Got an Asrock b650e steel legend :) beautiful board. This was my first time switching from asus motherboards and im very impressed with performance on 7800x3d
@@francisportugal5584 There's funny video around, someone ramping up a 5950X to 5+ GHz on a A320 board... keeping it all at bay with just a Wraith Prism cooler. ;)
The forgotten asrock from hardware unboxed review is the absolute most important for the 130 bucks to 139 bucks and this is the one I'm using Asrock b650M PRO RS. It is an amazing board to say the least for the price.
The CPU temp in that range is basically irrelevant, but I get wanting to keep VRM temps down. The VRM will likely die to those temps long before the CPU would. I'd personally question the value of a board where your build brings VRM temps in to question in the first place.
When buying a motherboard I tend to pay attention to the M.2 slots, USB 3.2 Gen2 ports and PCIe slots. I use ATX sized boards as MATX compromises my requirements. As such, I tend to avoid the lowest end chipsets as the I/O is so cut down for my needs.
What do you do with your PC and what is your budget "should be" a buyers criteria when shopping for components. I require Thunderbolt support, so budget wise, that eliminated AM5 where USB 4.0 (sort of Thunderbolt) starts at $500. I also tried W11, bleh, so Intel 13th gen and or DDR5 is out. Gigabyte Aorus Master X570 does support Thunderbolt 3.0 which meets my needs and paired with a 5800X is actually overkill for the one game I currently play, Guild Wars 2. I do appreciate seeing you show case component combinations where requirements such as Thunderbolt or USB 4.0 are not needed.
They also lack M.2 Heatsinks.. So if you want the use the slots.. You have to be aware to spend 30 euros on m.2 cooling.. Which calculated together will still be an 170 - 190 euro motherboard.
Thank you! Your reviews are so much better than those of Hardware Unboxed, it's a relief to see ACTUAL testing, with VRM thermal imaging, under REALISTIC conditions, that's what I am looking for! One critic though: it's a little bit misleading to not mention that the difference between A620 and X670 was never about gaming performance, but about the features. So this "comparison" is completely useless at the end, as the capability of running a 7800X3D properly only depends on the VRM performance, and so the proper comparison should have been for example: do you need a motherboard with 11 phases (which could be a A620 motherboard too! No need to go up to B650 or X670 to get these!!) to run the 7800X3D properly, or are 9 phases enough? By the way, you should also mention that 6400MHz memory is not a criteria, as there is virtually no performance difference on non-APUs with 4800MHz. It's your duty as professional youtubers to make sure people don't get hyped by marketing BS.
Man, I need your feedback,,, just ordered 7800X3D,,,i need MB and RAM to order soon,,, what would you suggest to me exactly models,,,just gaming,,,no overclocking,,,I don't want to spend to much,,,pease
@@gezimlimoni2319 Get the motherboard reviewed in this video. And get any RAM. Even a 4800MHz kit would be enough, as only APUs really need higher bandwidth.
Hi, is that budget a620m asrock board and 7500f a good combo? Could you make a video about those 2 combo. And a budget gpu ofc (rx6600 or 6650xt). Thanks in advance.
У меня в Asus Prime A320M-K + 5700G + 2х16 3200 Cl16 памятью вполне прекрасно живет. На встройке.)) Бустит, не греется. Материнская плата дождалась своего героя со времен r3 1200!)) Так что ставим смело, да потери будут - но на глаз их никто и никогда не увидит. Автору спасибо, творческих успехов, и лайк.))
Was wondering where you went. Glad to see you back! Enjoyed the Compudex coverage. Don't know why they demonitized you. I didn't see any reason or difference from all the other build vids you've done.Hope they clarify this soon for you.
Great Video; would love to see a comparison of how it performs with the amd stock coolers; for an extreme budget (or backup) set up. I've used mine with an amd spire (the one with copper core) and its worked great; I set a tj max of 85 to have a bit of a buffer. The only issue i've come across is in The Last of Us; it seems to disregard the tj max temp limit and just keeps climbing until PC shuts down. This is on title screen while building shaders. Once in game, the spire does great, keeping temps in high 60s to low 70s.
Thanks for your is so clear that bes MB for your AM5 combo with RAM and CPU and GPU is a AM4 Ryzen 5600-...-5800x3d plus ddr4 3600 cl16 + RX 6700 to 6800 (or used RX 5600XT/5700/5700XT) in a B550 (for PCIe 4.0 gpu if needed) or a A320 to A520 if you can game with PCIe x16 3.0. This way can you save even more HUNDREDs over the X670E? And wait for AMD to deliver for CPU with a real step forward in technology...
I was checking A620 prices this morning and it is nice to see some lower priced AM5 options, curious to see what the itx offering looks like. It is funny that AMD requires 4 ram slots on the X670 when 4 ram sticks doesn't appear to work on AM5.
To my knowledge 4 ram sticks still work miles better on AM5 than on Intel right now. Zen 4 memory controller caps at about 6200MHz anyway, so theres little to no memory clock penalty using 4 sticks, when on Intel you would have to run like 800MHz lower clocks just to get 4 sticks to boot.
It "works" on AMD.... But forget about EXPO/XMP speeds, you only get JEDEC. But for real, I have an X670 system with a 7950X it has 4x16GB of 7600 MT/s CL40 ram, it runs 5000 CL38 fine with manual tweaking (4800 CL40/JEDEC no tweaking). Runs 6200 CL38 at 2x16GB. If I try to post with faster speeds I get a hard crash and need to reset BIOS. Man AM5 is "fun".
@@johnfreeman5956 Figured that I just confused dual rank and 4 sticks with each other. Dual rank has no negative impact on Ryzen, but on Intel it does. 4 sticks is a totally another story even with Ryzen it seems. Fun stuff ig
I always like these Vid's... I'm waiting on Zen 5 myself though. I am still Good with a 5900X at 4K with a 6800XT for now.. GPU's that need that kind of CPU cost way to much anyway.. Honestly I'd keep my 5900X and upgrade my GPU first..
Did he check for stability on the boards ram speed? Check the event logs? This takes weeks. Hopefully he can tell us how long a ran the system or if he just booted into windows and called it 6700mhz
I would love to see the difference between the old bios and a new bios on the A620. Does it have an impact on performance? Thank you, this is a type of video I love 🙂
Would these results be able to be extrapolated to the A620I (mini-ITX) chipset? I'm planning a build for a buddy and if that's a yes I can save him $100. Great video btw!
D4 is the first game that I haven't been able to stop playing in years. Easily one of the best money to time investments I've had in a ling while lol. I don't get into ARPG's
I was using a 7800X3D on an A620M board from MSI till about a week ago when I switched it for an X670E (or 30L9X as I always seem to read the blocky model number upside down) AsRock steel legend board I was able to snag for 1/2 the regular retail price. Not so much for any potential performance bump, but all those extra features like 2x the AM slots, 2.5gig LAN, 20Gb USB etc etc. Even just having the VRMs cooled with some nice chunky heatsinks and 4x NVMe slots have made the upgrade absolutely perfect for me, and that I'll have a very easy upgrade to next years Ryzen processors too.
It is possible that Windows High Performance power setting especially on Ryzen prevent the CPU from clocking down on IDLE. This keeps the power consumption relatively high on idle.
Theres no real cutbacks in the A620 mobos for a gamer who isnt into the PC that much.. Would like to see VRM cooling on the board tho - the 7800X3D does pull power and a little bit of VRM passive cooling is recommended. 86c on an open test bed in a large ventillated room isnt a real world usage. Put it in a small budget case with bad airflow
Hi, Great video as always. I have the asrock steel legend b650e, I do not see the setting for soc/uncore oc mode in the bios anywhere. Is there an equivalent setting on this board or another way to achieve what this setting achieved?
Ended up going with the 7900X bc it was much cheaper than 7800X3D and really wasn’t much difference in price to a 7700X. I also felt like the 7800X3D is sensitive and didn’t want to be checking the SOC voltage every boot up like a paranoid person on cocaine.
It's really not that stressful to maintain. Just set the PBO, curve optimizer and voltage limit (1.3v is default on new AGESA builds, so it's fine even if you don't touch it) after you build the pc and boot it the first time, then you can forget about it. Tested with OCCT and Cinebench runs stable at -30 CO all cores, never even goes over 1.05V (around 90W at full load and boosts to 4.9/4.8ghz all cores ) and runs pretty cool even with a single tower air cooler (never hit my 85C custom thermal limit). That being said the 7900X is nonetheless probably the better choice in the long term, if you only have that one pc and use it for everything.
Not a realistic thing to be concerned about. You'd either be on an older problematic bios or you're not. Once the problem was fixed, it was fixed. The BIOS update on my board is clearly a bit too conservative because Uclk=mclk became unstable. It's been good manually setting SOCv to an extra 0.010mv, and there isn't going to be a reason for it to magically end up higher.
I solely watched this video because I am trying to build a very budget oriented AM5 build and let me tell you, I am a very stingy person, and I can't sell anything that works perfectly fine. So if I ever decide to upgrade my Ryzen 5 7600 to a 7800X3D (or 8800X3D, 9800X3D??), I can do that while not blowing up my PC.
interesting fact about the X670 chipset, I thought the X670 is just two piece of the B650/A620 chip and AMD did this so that board partners can flexibly allocate the same chips to build either the high end or low end motherboards so that they are not stuck with a part they cant use because a particular model doesn't sell well. I didn't know AMD sells them separately.
At 6200Mhz was the F-clock 1 to 1? Would you also test Asrock A620M Pro RS WiFi? (I know it's 125 and Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 is 130 but that one has WiFi 6 and 1 more USB 3.0 on the back compared to the B650 one i mentioned) I am also curious about its VRM and VRM performance cuz out of all the A620 boards, it seems this one has the beefier heatsink for the VRM, the other option would be ASUS TUF GAMING A620M-PLUS WiFi but that one is 150 bucks! (initially 160 which was even more stupid!) THANKS!
I'm interested in that board as well! Wccftech has a mildly interesting comparison on it using a 7950x3d, for what it's worth. I'm more interested in if PBO or any type of undervolting works.
there is literally no point in using 6200 or 6400MT/s memory on X3D if you also set uclk=memclk/2 so a "sweetspot" 6000MT/s CL30 at uclk=memclk will do just fine or even better. 6400 only makes sense on Zen4 if you've won silicon lottery and you chip's infinity fabric AND memory controller can go 2133 and 3200 respectively.
Motherboard don’t influence overall performance that much , personally I prefer put more money into gfx card instead of motherboard, just got gigabyte A620m s2h and quite satisfied
"Tuned" vs "Default" performance is so negligible, I would not bother with tuning for performance gain (5:57). I would, however, work on decreasing power consumption and heat.
Ok so lets get one thing clear. the 600 series chipsets are ALL identical. The A620, B650 and X670 are ALL pedometry 21 chips. This is why the difference between B650 and X670 is they have 2 chipsets on the X670. the A620 is a chip that didn't pass the B650 minimum specs, it has some areas that don't work and are lasered off (like how they do with AMD CPU's)
Can i undervolt my cpu with any a620 mothermoard and if i can can i do as b650 do. Is Ryzen master works with a620 motherboards. For example system with r5 7600 and rtx 4070, what would you recommend for motherboard and why. I am gone use it mostly for gaming. I want to use it as long as possibile(around 5-8 years).
What about the 7700x. I heard it draws more power than the 7800X3D and thus it could stress the board more? Right now I have a really good deal on the 7700x that makes me consider getting into AM5, instead of AM4.
Its cheap so you save some buck but you dont have so many feature, no LED, less PCIE slot, less SATA PORT, less M2 slot, no Wifi, no bluetooth and less durability cause its use cheaper quality component than the expensive one, and it's look much WORSE. I think B650 is the sweet spot for the 7800x3d because you can't overclock it so you dont need so many hi-end features on the hi-end X670 boards.
Bryan on the chip sets / 2 * 1.5 = range $21 to $40 and thrown in for meeting CPU volume procurement threshold(s). Lot of procurement negotiating room here and yes the price note; $28 and $54 is of interest but that's the control hub / south bridge essentially and they are not as costly as low volume procurement might contend ($15). mb
The way pricing on the control hub works for high volume procurement is on the $1K AWP / 3 rule. The cost of the control hub is priced into the processor procurement. $1K AWP / 3 stakeholder where TSMC, AMD at + *1.5 price to volume buyer that is the OEM and or board house who get the last 1/3rd of the total revenue split and in this case for the margin difference between desktop processor $1K revenue potential so AMD is minimally rolling in at AMD's cut 1/3 * + 50% AMD margin leaving minimally 50% difference from $1K to the board house or OEM offsetting cost of control hub to the OEM or mainboard house within their 1/3rd of the processor total revenue (margin) potential. That 1/3rd it's a range from 1/3 to half of 1/6th goes to the volume processor buyer for mainboard development cost, NRE and whatever is left over for added margin that is the way it works. mb
Example R7K $1K AWP is $547.44./ 3 for TSMC + AMD + OEM/board house spit = $182.48 total revenue potential each. So TSMC gets $182.48 from AMD and its can be down to $119 on the financial, AMD takes their cut which is a range up to $182.48 ($182.48 cost + $182.48 margin = $364) and that is a 100% margin not a + 50% margin, and the OEM or board house get the final 1/3rd up to $182.48 for board development, control hub thrown into that, whatever left over that is processor margin on top of the board or PC margin itself. mb
@@techyescity Thanks for the note, okay two pieces whatever they r. So AMD and Intel traditionally include them in the 1/3 of total revenue potential that goes to the volume buyer that is part of their 1/3 margin take on $1K (AWP) / 3 stakeholder split and a square deal so no one complains about not being treated equally in the enterprise of moving a component. All basically make the same amount of total revenue potential from the processor and any kit sold with it. Thinking on the price you stated $28 and $54 sounds like a spot price to some small board design producer. What happens is volume OEMs and mainboard design manufacturers over procure their (quarterly) processor real time demand and the control hub or whatever it is comes with the CPU. Knowing a demanded product the volume buyer over procures on purpose to offset their own cost serving their own real time demand by brokering off component overage (they ordered on purpose and do not wrap a board around) to some else for a quick component margin gain. Sometimes they will sell it direct to a second tier board house. More likely there are satellite brokers acting as distributors who have relationships with the primary volume buyer for the purpose of buying their overage for resale to small producers. mb
@@techyescity Bryan the price data for whatever it is is a good find. Southbridge? ECC enablement outside the (northbridge) i/o, other fix in logic could be a lot of things. mb
Not even using a full fledged x670e (extreme) did he get any uptick in performance. So in this case the chipset (independent on mother board size) is not the bottleneck.
The ITX boards for these have better VRMs and do better with 2 DIMMs. I believe the gigabyte one is decent. I have the a520i ac and it does well with the 5800x3d.
@@icecold3426 i have ASUS TUF GAMING A620M-PLUS WIFI, its very good, i have ryzen 2700 cooler stock, i play warzone, max 80°. sorry my english. my gpu rtx 3060. i think my 7800X 3D works perfect with my mother board
I really cant see a scenario where $20 makes THE difference on a PC build. Remember the A320 platform? They where the first to stop being refreshed. So people who bought b350 could upgrade their CPUs and the ones with A320 where left behind. So i dont see the point on buying an A620 board (unless for business aplications). Spend 20 extra bucks and you will be a little future proof. Remember Ryzen 7000 is the first CPUs of the AM5 (Ryzen 8000 are the 2nd). We are just at the begining